Re: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM
...Just try to link to their 1999 Record of Investments, as reported by Google: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/finance/report99/ fin_statements11.html What do they have to hide? ...In some cases, American universities - which happily disinvested in tobacco companies - have now taken the step of blocking all student access to their records of investment... The link you provided had an embedded space. Here's the right one, FWIW: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/finance/report99/fin_statements11.html Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM
And, on average, you can play and loose unless you have inside information. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: C Creel [mailto:ccr...@eagle1st.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:57 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM While I applaud the stated goal of their request for feedback, I got'ta question their track record and who will really benefit and at what cost. You can't win if you don't play. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM
Columbia University has conducted many test on CAM products, and in many cases has deliberately used/applied the product being tested in manners contrary to the recommended methodology of the product/herb. When the results were less than expected, they have very LOUDLY declared the results, making sure media coverage was ample. In the instances where the product performed as purported, there has not been much fanfare, and the matter ended there. IMHO, participation in their CAM study will not result in an independent, impartial review, but will be used to further the claim that only allopathic medicine can be trusted. Again, just MHO. Jannette While I applaud the stated goal of their request for feedback, I got'ta question their track record and who will really benefit and at what cost. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM
Columbia University has conducted many test on CAM products, and in many cases has deliberately used/applied the product being tested in manners contrary to the recommended methodology of the product/herb. When the results were less than expected, they have very LOUDLY declared the results, making sure media coverage was ample. In the instances where the product performed as purported, there has not been much fanfare, and the matter ended there. It is not the researchers that set up the protocols, but the pharmaceutical industry. It is also the pharmaceutical industry that publicizes the results. Researchers do what they are paid to do. In most cases, those doing the research are not even the ones who write the paper on the study. The drug industry has ghost writers for this. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM
Hi Marshall, I'm OK with Alternative but I'm not clear about Complimentary medicine. Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM
Perhaps we are to infer Secondary? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Jack Dayton [mailto:jack...@harbornet.com] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 4:58 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM Hi Marshall, I'm OK with Alternative but I'm not clear about Complimentary medicine. Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Try complementary meaning roughly helping to implement the desired action. The other word means free or given with compliments, as a reward for service. - Original Message - From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 6:57 PM Subject: Re: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM Hi Marshall, I'm OK with Alternative but I'm not clear about Complimentary medicine. Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM
Tom, CAM stands for Complementary and Alternative Medicine. It is a term I am seeing more frequently these days. Ralph == At 03:53 PM 10/22/02 -0500, you wrote: What is CAM? ---Original Message--- From: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:01:28 PM To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM Dear List Members, Columbia University is requesting information from patients and health care providers about promising CAM therapies for serious illness based upon your experiences. There are people who see this as a threat to the status quo and their own personal interests. They are well-organized and committed to not allowing CAM to become more widely accepted and available. You can help by going to Columbia University's website and submitting your experiences with CAM in treating serious illnesses. Serious illness is defined as illness that is long-term, usually does not resolve itself, and is seldom curable. If you have a story to share and the time to share it, please go to http://www.camreports.hs.columbia.edu/index.htmlhttp://www.camreports.hs.columbia.edu/index.html Thanks! Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.orghttp://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.htmlhttp://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.commdev...@eskimo.com . http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309lang=9218156.gif IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - http://www.incredimail.com/redir.asp?ad_id=309lang=9Click Here inline: 218156.gif
Re: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM
While I applaud the stated goal of their request for feedback, I got'ta question their track record and who will really benefit and at what cost. Just try to link to their 1999 Record of Investments, as reported by Google: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/finance/report99/ fin_statements11.html What do they have to hide? [The following excerpted from their respective sites:] ...In some cases, American universities - which happily disinvested in tobacco companies - have now taken the step of blocking all student access to their records of investment... http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=344510 The investment office no longer releases any information about Columbias holdings in specific corporations. Today, Columbia financial officers attest that Columbia employs no ethical investment policy and allows its money managers to give Columbias votes to corporate management on all shareholder resolutions. Columbia is falling behindparallel institutions including Cornell, Vassar, and Bryn Mawr, and Wesleyan release their investment portfolios. ...We can safely conclude, that were the University community to review Columbias proxy voting records for the eight hundred or so corporations in which the University was invested last year, the conscience of the University community, from trustees to first-years, would all have been shocked for the following four reasons: http://www.barnard.columbia.edu/admiss/centsch/projects/slack/senate.htm jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM
While I applaud the stated goal of their request for feedback, I got'ta question their track record and who will really benefit and at what cost. You can't win if you don't play. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM
It would be interesting to see who set up that data collection site and who will have access to the information gathered, and for what purposes. Will the information be used to objectively evaluate, to promote or to debunk? Will the reports generated draw selectively on the data? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: C Creel [mailto:ccr...@eagle1st.com] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM Dear List Members, Columbia University is requesting information from patients and health care providers about promising CAM therapies for serious illness based upon your experiences. There are people who see this as a threat to the status quo and their own personal interests. They are well-organized and committed to not allowing CAM to become more widely accepted and available. You can help by going to Columbia University's website and submitting your experiences with CAM in treating serious illnesses. Serious illness is defined as illness that is long-term, usually does not resolve itself, and is seldom curable. If you have a story to share and the time to share it, please go to http://www.camreports.hs.columbia.edu/index.html Thanks! Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM
What is CAM? ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:01:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM Dear List Members, Columbia University is requesting information from patients and health care providers about promising CAM therapies for serious illness based upon your experiences. There are people who see this as a threat to the status quo and their own personal interests. They are well-organized and committed to not allowing CAM to become more widely accepted and available. You can help by going to Columbia University's website and submitting your experiences with CAM in treating serious illnesses. Serious illness is defined as illness that is long-term, usually does not resolve itself, and is seldom curable. If you have a story to share and the time to share it, please go to http://www.camreports.hs.columbia.edu/index.html Thanks! Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com .image/gif
Re: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM
Complementary and Alternative Medicine. Marshall Tom Mary McFadden wrote: What is CAM? ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:01:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Columbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM Dear List Members, Columbia University is requesting information from patients and health care providers about promising CAM therapies for serious illness based upon your experiences. There are people who see this as a threat to the status quo and their own personal interests. They are well-organized and committed to not allowing CAM to become more widely accepted and available. You can help by going to Columbia University's website and submitting your experiences with CAM in treating serious illnesses. Serious illness is defined as illness that is long-term, usually does not resolve itself, and is seldom curable. If you have a story to share and the time to share it, please go to http://www.camreports.hs.columbia.edu/index.html Thanks! Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com> . IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM
http://www.camreports.hs.columbia.edu/index.html its all in here!! - Original Message - From: Tom Mary McFadden To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 1:53 PM Subject: Re: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM What is CAM? ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:01:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM Dear List Members, Columbia University is requesting information from patients and health care providers about promising CAM therapies for serious illness based upon your experiences. There are people who see this as a threat to the status quo and their own personal interests. They are well-organized and committed to not allowing CAM to become more widely accepted and available. You can help by going to Columbia University's website and submitting your experiences with CAM in treating serious illnesses. Serious illness is defined as illness that is long-term, usually does not resolve itself, and is seldom curable. If you have a story to share and the time to share it, please go to http://www.camreports.hs.columbia.edu/index.html Thanks! Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com . IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here image/gif
CSColumbia Univ. seeks feedback on CAM
Dear List Members, Columbia University is requesting information from patients and health care providers about promising CAM therapies for serious illness based upon your experiences. There are people who see this as a threat to the status quo and their own personal interests. They are well-organized and committed to not allowing CAM to become more widely accepted and available. You can help by going to Columbia University's website and submitting your experiences with CAM in treating serious illnesses. Serious illness is defined as illness that is long-term, usually does not resolve itself, and is seldom curable. If you have a story to share and the time to share it, please go to http://www.camreports.hs.columbia.edu/index.html Thanks! Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
