RE: CSDiabetes vaccine and fructose
Joanne ThomasonDear Joanne and others, I do not want to sell nothing or gain something from this autohemotherapy. The liquid contained inside the bottles from the Lab. Nuñez, are prepared in Mexico, and those bottles receive the blood from the patient. The bottle NEVER goes back to Mexico. This writing is for only INFORMATIONAL purposes and since that this is the colloidal silver list, this is -off topic-. You and the other people do NOT need to say the word suspicious (as in a criminal case) Remember I am not selling nothing. Say to your friend that speaks and HOPE understand writing Spanish (Not is the same talking ... I cannot talk, to read and write it... I can do it with some errors or mistakes) to translate the total (whole) page. The autohemotherapy is OLD, really old and sometimes works, sometimes not for the diseases your friend mention. But this is a different thing. With the Doctor (not me I am not the genius) that developed this technique, you can talk or I can be the portal for that talking, and HE (maybe) will refer to the data with the results with double blind studies, and with the results they got 10 years ago... Today, this is a real true, a lot of patients (not say 600, say SEVERAL THOUSANDS) are cured. Take it or leave it. The Mexican authorities? Please do not make me laugh! The Health authorities?... ditto. At the General Hospital in Mexico, the Doctors and nurses re-use the detachable material (syringes, covers for boots, mouth covers, latex gloves) and in Mexicali they have only ONE baumanomether for the whole hospital. I will go to the IMSS and ISSSTE and I will take some pictures with patients with I.V. solutions waiting for the solution to end laying on the floor! The interest from those Mexican authorities is only for the money that they can get from the business or restaurants... because they ALWAYS find something wrong and to avoid the clausura seal they pay millions of pesos! But, interest in something not profitable? No way! As I said, this is off-topic and Do not forget I told you Alex Torres M.D. P.S. Do you went to Aime page? www.geocities.com/compu_dr/aime/aime/htm Hope yes. She needs you! Here YES, I NEED YOU! forget the vaccine please, forget if you can be cured... remember Schopenhauer... -Original Message- From: Joanne [mailto:sami...@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 7:18 PM To: silver-list Subject: CSDiabetes vaccine and fructose I sent Dr. Torres message regarding a vaccine for diabetes to a f friend who speaks spanish and was able to read his links. I also asked him the question regarding fructose. His responses follow. He is very knowledgable abourt nutrition. Joanne Dear Joanne Since diabetes type II is not insulin-dependent (that is, the person's pancreas produces insulin normally), but insulin-resistant (that is, the insulin does not produce the expected results), it is clearly a bodily dysfunction that can be restored with proper care. I know that aerobic exercise, weight loss and proper food will do the trick. Other things might work too. Now, the way Alex Torres introduced his vaccine is quite suspicious. Firstly with some irresponsible declaration about eating habits (in his previous message); secondly, with so many useless references to the doctor who invented the vaccine. It does not add value to know that he taught Che Guevara or that his father's bone are in the Rotunda. The immunization process he mentions is very well known. It has been used to treat a bunch of diseases, from acne and pustule to cancer and several other degenerative diseases. The results have always been more or less inconclusive. Now, I want to be very careful about this because altough I find everything here very suspect, I still think it might be worthwhile to do some additional research. It is a well-known fact that the tradional labs do not support medical research that leads to cheaper treatments, especially of those diseases that force the patient to take medicine for the rest of theirs lives. This represents trillions of dollars a year and no lab wants to lose this. Also, researches conducted outside the US are not readily accepted by American authorities. I read one of the articles mentioned by Alex Torres. Unfortunately, it is not a good document. It is emotional. It mentions 600 patients cured of several diseases, especially diabetes. But the way they prove the cure it by quoting the patients themselves. No blind test, no double blind, no lab tests are referred to. It still may work, but the articles are not acceptable. So, I am NOT saying this auto-vaccine can not work or will not work. What I am saying is that it requires further investigation before someone decides to take the risk of having manipulated blood re-injected in his/her body. Since the blood is his/her own, risk is minimum, but still exists. Especially because flasks can
Re: CSDiabetes vaccine and fructose
Joanne ThomasonThanks Joanne, I was having the same reservations about Torres. We'll see! Regards: Robert Bartell - Original Message - From: Joanne To: silver-list Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 10:18 PM Subject: CSDiabetes vaccine and fructose I sent Dr. Torres message regarding a vaccine for diabetes to a f friend who speaks spanish and was able to read his links. I also asked him the question regarding fructose. His responses follow. He is very knowledgable abourt nutrition. Joanne Dear Joanne Since diabetes type II is not insulin-dependent (that is, the person's pancreas produces insulin normally), but insulin-resistant (that is, the insulin does not produce the expected results), it is clearly a bodily dysfunction that can be restored with proper care. I know that aerobic exercise, weight loss and proper food will do the trick. Other things might work too. Now, the way Alex Torres introduced his vaccine is quite suspicious. Firstly with some irresponsible declaration about eating habits (in his previous message); secondly, with so many useless references to the doctor who invented the vaccine. It does not add value to know that he taught Che Guevara or that his father's bone are in the Rotunda. The immunization process he mentions is very well known. It has been used to treat a bunch of diseases, from acne and pustule to cancer and several other degenerative diseases. The results have always been more or less inconclusive. Now, I want to be very careful about this because altough I find everything here very suspect, I still think it might be worthwhile to do some additional research. It is a well-known fact that the tradional labs do not support medical research that leads to cheaper treatments, especially of those diseases that force the patient to take medicine for the rest of theirs lives. This represents trillions of dollars a year and no lab wants to lose this. Also, researches conducted outside the US are not readily accepted by American authorities. I read one of the articles mentioned by Alex Torres. Unfortunately, it is not a good document. It is emotional. It mentions 600 patients cured of several diseases, especially diabetes. But the way they prove the cure it by quoting the patients themselves. No blind test, no double blind, no lab tests are referred to. It still may work, but the articles are not acceptable. So, I am NOT saying this auto-vaccine can not work or will not work. What I am saying is that it requires further investigation before someone decides to take the risk of having manipulated blood re-injected in his/her body. Since the blood is his/her own, risk is minimum, but still exists. Especially because flasks can be intermixed, etc. Also, good eating habits plus exercise will not only control diabetes but also bring other benefits. So, the most conservative and the safest decision is try this first. The general tone of Alex' messages coincides with the tone I found in the articles and papers he mentions: the cure does exist, but Mexican authorities are not interested in acknowledging it; American authorities will not recognize his merits; ... Nothing he says is necessarly wrong, but suspicious. In my opinion people should not eat any form of purified or refined sugar. This includes fructose. In fact, sucrose, saccharose, glucose, maltose and the several other ose are all empty calorie. What this means is very serious. Let's say you eat 100g of any of these sugars. You'll get 400 calories, but no vitamins, no minerals, no proteins, no fat. You still need such nutrients, so you'll have to eat additional food to get those elements. What is worse: your body can not process sugar without consuming enzymes, vitamins and minerals, so you'll have to eat MORE in order to compensate for the nutrients the empty calorie food used up. So, you have two good reasons NOT to eat any form of sugar: a) excess calories; b) nutrients depletion. Now, fructose, in a sense is better than all the other sugars, the reason being it has a low glycemic index, which means it does not play havoc with your insulin/glucagon production, as the other sugars do. So, from the point of view of insulin resistance, fructose is better. From the point of view of nutrition, it is the same. There is another little factor in favor of fructose: since is it 1.5 times sweeter than sucrose (table sugar), you would take less to have the same effect, so you tend to end up with a little less empty calories. Now, there is a situation where you should NOT be affraid of fructose: when you eat fresh fruits, like apples. In this case you'll be ingesting little fructose (maybe 15 g
CSDiabetes vaccine and fructose
Joanne ThomasonI sent Dr. Torres message regarding a vaccine for diabetes to a f friend who speaks spanish and was able to read his links. I also asked him the question regarding fructose. His responses follow. He is very knowledgable abourt nutrition. Joanne Dear Joanne Since diabetes type II is not insulin-dependent (that is, the person's pancreas produces insulin normally), but insulin-resistant (that is, the insulin does not produce the expected results), it is clearly a bodily dysfunction that can be restored with proper care. I know that aerobic exercise, weight loss and proper food will do the trick. Other things might work too. Now, the way Alex Torres introduced his vaccine is quite suspicious. Firstly with some irresponsible declaration about eating habits (in his previous message); secondly, with so many useless references to the doctor who invented the vaccine. It does not add value to know that he taught Che Guevara or that his father's bone are in the Rotunda. The immunization process he mentions is very well known. It has been used to treat a bunch of diseases, from acne and pustule to cancer and several other degenerative diseases. The results have always been more or less inconclusive. Now, I want to be very careful about this because altough I find everything here very suspect, I still think it might be worthwhile to do some additional research. It is a well-known fact that the tradional labs do not support medical research that leads to cheaper treatments, especially of those diseases that force the patient to take medicine for the rest of theirs lives. This represents trillions of dollars a year and no lab wants to lose this. Also, researches conducted outside the US are not readily accepted by American authorities. I read one of the articles mentioned by Alex Torres. Unfortunately, it is not a good document. It is emotional. It mentions 600 patients cured of several diseases, especially diabetes. But the way they prove the cure it by quoting the patients themselves. No blind test, no double blind, no lab tests are referred to. It still may work, but the articles are not acceptable. So, I am NOT saying this auto-vaccine can not work or will not work. What I am saying is that it requires further investigation before someone decides to take the risk of having manipulated blood re-injected in his/her body. Since the blood is his/her own, risk is minimum, but still exists. Especially because flasks can be intermixed, etc. Also, good eating habits plus exercise will not only control diabetes but also bring other benefits. So, the most conservative and the safest decision is try this first. The general tone of Alex' messages coincides with the tone I found in the articles and papers he mentions: the cure does exist, but Mexican authorities are not interested in acknowledging it; American authorities will not recognize his merits; ... Nothing he says is necessarly wrong, but suspicious. In my opinion people should not eat any form of purified or refined sugar. This includes fructose. In fact, sucrose, saccharose, glucose, maltose and the several other ose are all empty calorie. What this means is very serious. Let's say you eat 100g of any of these sugars. You'll get 400 calories, but no vitamins, no minerals, no proteins, no fat. You still need such nutrients, so you'll have to eat additional food to get those elements. What is worse: your body can not process sugar without consuming enzymes, vitamins and minerals, so you'll have to eat MORE in order to compensate for the nutrients the empty calorie food used up. So, you have two good reasons NOT to eat any form of sugar: a) excess calories; b) nutrients depletion. Now, fructose, in a sense is better than all the other sugars, the reason being it has a low glycemic index, which means it does not play havoc with your insulin/glucagon production, as the other sugars do. So, from the point of view of insulin resistance, fructose is better. From the point of view of nutrition, it is the same. There is another little factor in favor of fructose: since is it 1.5 times sweeter than sucrose (table sugar), you would take less to have the same effect, so you tend to end up with a little less empty calories. Now, there is a situation where you should NOT be affraid of fructose: when you eat fresh fruits, like apples. In this case you'll be ingesting little fructose (maybe 15 g) and it will be accompanied by very important vitamins, minerals, fiber, enzymes, pectin, etc. So, go for it! Again, once fructose is synthesized or extracted from the fruits it is not good anymore. Now, if you MUST have something sweet, among the bad stuff, fructose is the least dangerous. Joanne Thomason sami...@earthlink.net This is my Beautiful Sami
Re: CSDIABETES VACCINE
I'm confused. Is this vaccine taken before you get diabetes as a preventative or afterward to cure or lessen it? Serita -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDiabetes Vaccine
To All Silver-listers: The owner of this amazing vaccine (only the credits... and the solution for the vaccine) can you get from Mexico, several places with the training and capacities for this vaccine. Please believe (I am an M.D. serious and with no desire to scam or quack) this vaccine was the result of 30 years of research by an M.D. Mexican, that was the teacher for Ernesto Guevara (che) and a very good friend of Fidel Castro (the dictator from Cuba). He studied at the UNAM (university National Autonomous of Mexico), and has several world recognitions and diplomas, degrees etc. His father bones rest at the Rotonda de los Hombres Ilustres in Mexico city, an honor that so few Mexicans aspire to have. BUT he is a noble and sincere, poor doctor, that studied too in USA , for more info on this guy (Sorry in Spanish but someone here at the list can make a translation or I can do it please take note of the doubts and i will translate) go to: http://www.labnunez.com.mx/jorge.htm http://www.labnunez.com.mx/entrevistaa.htm http://www.labnunez.com.mx/inmunoterpiaa.htm http://www.labnunez.com.mx/oaxacaa.htm The cost is approximately 50 dollars the bottle for the preparation of this vaccine, but you must perform a blood test for: 1.-Detection of antibodies against INSULIN 2.-Detection of the INSULIN LEVEL (This test IS NOT glucose test... is the hormone INSULIN, that i frequently find at normal level! In diabetic patients. After this, if the Insulin is normal or high, and you have the antibodies (90% of people fulfill this) against insuline, I take 5 ml of your blood and it is processed in a special saline solution. You start applying via intradermic injection at the arm one c.c. every day for 45 days... at the third injection (frequently) the GLUCOSE levels drop (can you have an hypoglycemic shock) and you must adapt the dosage of your hypoglycemic agent or insuline (HUMULIN?), some patients that get used to apply 100 or more units ends using 1 or 2 units a days at the 3rd application. After this full bottle you must rest 15 days and start a new one. If all goes well you will be cured! This all. This technique was named by this doctor autohemotherapy... do not get confused with the old name of autohemotherapy using blood plus ozone... Alex Torres M.D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
