Re: CSDebunking...
Interesting. By the way, how do you manage to find all these references? Dan On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote: There may be some substance to Prill beads reducing the absorption of fluoride by forming an insoluble complex with the fluoride. But the science isn't completely understood. See below. - Steve N Influence of Dietary Magnesium on Fluoride Bioavailability in the Rat1' http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/117/3/496.pdf Several observations suggest that the magnesium content of a diet may influence food fluoride absorption. Magnesium and fluoride, for example, form an insoluble complex in vitro (6). Simultaneous administration of magnesium and fluoride by gastric intubation has been shown to significantly reduce skeletal uptake of fluoride by growing rats (7, 8), which may explain why high dietary magnesium appears to ameliorate fluorosis in guinea pigs (9). On the other hand, Spencer et al. (10) were unable to demonstrate a significant effect of orally administered magnesium oxide on either fecal or urinary fluoride excretion in human volunteers. Factors that may account for this apparent discrepancy between animal and human studies include the age of the test subject, level and chemical form of magnesium and route of administration of fluoride and magnesium. In the human study, for example, subjects were adults, whereas studies of the magnesium and fluoride relationship in rats occurred during a period of rapid growth. Animal studies involving gastric intubation utilized water-soluble magnesium chloride and the magnesium and fluoride were administered together, whereas in the human study magnesium was insoluble magnesium oxide and the magnesium and fluoride were not simultaneously present in the diet. -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:04 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL:CSDebunking... Dave writes, and quotes: *This should give you an example of what I think of Prill beads. One of the goofiest products I have come across are Prill Beads which consist of magnesium oxide infused with Life Force. These magical beads [... blah blah blah] I'd just like to point out that if I'd not kept an open mind the blatant idiocy of some vendors way back when would have kept me from trying colloidal silver. It's better these days but you can still find examples of similar nonsense out there. Yes, the verbiage quoted by Dave is representative of too many sources that spew that kind of anti-scientific junk targeted only at the gullible. So saying, it doesn't prove anything about the product either. There are also user reports from non-vendors that claim benefits, so the jury is still out on Prill Beads from what I can see. All I ask is that everyone be careful with adopting the mindset of a debunker toward the things shared on this list. There's no reason to accept everything blindly, but temperate language and tolerance are still in order. Something about glass houses and stones comes to mind. Be well, Mike D. [ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDebunking...
Dave writes, and quotes: *This should give you an example of what I think of Prill beads. One of the goofiest products I have come across are Prill Beads which consist of magnesium oxide infused with Life Force. These magical beads [... blah blah blah] I'd just like to point out that if I'd not kept an open mind the blatant idiocy of some vendors way back when would have kept me from trying colloidal silver. It's better these days but you can still find examples of similar nonsense out there. Yes, the verbiage quoted by Dave is representative of too many sources that spew that kind of anti-scientific junk targeted only at the gullible. So saying, it doesn't prove anything about the product either. There are also user reports from non-vendors that claim benefits, so the jury is still out on Prill Beads from what I can see. All I ask is that everyone be careful with adopting the mindset of a debunker toward the things shared on this list. There's no reason to accept everything blindly, but temperate language and tolerance are still in order. Something about glass houses and stones comes to mind. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSDebunking...
There may be some substance to Prill beads reducing the absorption of fluoride by forming an insoluble complex with the fluoride. But the science isn't completely understood. See below. - Steve N Influence of Dietary Magnesium on Fluoride Bioavailability in the Rat1' http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/117/3/496.pdf Several observations suggest that the magnesium content of a diet may influence food fluoride absorption. Magnesium and fluoride, for example, form an insoluble complex in vitro (6). Simultaneous administration of magnesium and fluoride by gastric intubation has been shown to significantly reduce skeletal uptake of fluoride by growing rats (7, 8), which may explain why high dietary magnesium appears to ameliorate fluorosis in guinea pigs (9). On the other hand, Spencer et al. (10) were unable to demonstrate a significant effect of orally administered magnesium oxide on either fecal or urinary fluoride excretion in human volunteers. Factors that may account for this apparent discrepancy between animal and human studies include the age of the test subject, level and chemical form of magnesium and route of administration of fluoride and magnesium. In the human study, for example, subjects were adults, whereas studies of the magnesium and fluoride relationship in rats occurred during a period of rapid growth. Animal studies involving gastric intubation utilized water-soluble magnesium chloride and the magnesium and fluoride were administered together, whereas in the human study magnesium was insoluble magnesium oxide and the magnesium and fluoride were not simultaneously present in the diet. -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:04 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL:CSDebunking... Dave writes, and quotes: *This should give you an example of what I think of Prill beads. One of the goofiest products I have come across are Prill Beads which consist of magnesium oxide infused with Life Force. These magical beads [... blah blah blah] I'd just like to point out that if I'd not kept an open mind the blatant idiocy of some vendors way back when would have kept me from trying colloidal silver. It's better these days but you can still find examples of similar nonsense out there. Yes, the verbiage quoted by Dave is representative of too many sources that spew that kind of anti-scientific junk targeted only at the gullible. So saying, it doesn't prove anything about the product either. There are also user reports from non-vendors that claim benefits, so the jury is still out on Prill Beads from what I can see. All I ask is that everyone be careful with adopting the mindset of a debunker toward the things shared on this list. There's no reason to accept everything blindly, but temperate language and tolerance are still in order. Something about glass houses and stones comes to mind. Be well, Mike D. [ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
