Re: CSDoes CS taken orally have a negative effect on benefical gut bacteria?
Hi All. I apologize for coming into this discussion VERY late, But I recently agreed to assume moderator duties an a quite busy list so I've gotten behind on the rest of my email. The subject line on this thread caught my attention because I recently conducted a very unscientific set of experiments looking at the effect of CS on probiotics.I originally posted this to the CSCats-Dogs list then to the Silvermedicine list, and now as a result of this thread, here. For some time I have been intending to conduct an experiment or series of experiments on the effects of CS on probiotics, sometimes referred to as good bacteria A brief thread on the other list finally prompted me to do it. One of the statements made about the oral use of CS was that it must be taken at a time quite separated from from the meal at which the probiotic is ingested. I wanted to test this theory to the best of my ability. Not having a clinic and/or laboratory I couldn't actually test the effects inside the body. So I had to settle for a simple set of experiments involving yogurt culture and CS. Here is the experiment and the results. I bought some powdered milk just for the purpose of this experiment. I re-hydrated the powdered milk as follows. 1 pint I made with distilled water and the powdered milk. 1 pint I made using 20 ppm homemade CS in place of the distilled water. 1 pint I made with the distilled water but added a small amount of the 20 ppm CS. To each of the containers I added an equal amount of yogurt culture, an appropriate amount for the amount of milk in each vessel. I then set these aside in a warm place to culture. After about 8 hours I checked the results. I did this experiment on two consecutive days with only a couple of variations. On day one, I used some granular yogurt culture as my starter in all three containers and 1tablespoonful of the 20 ppm CS in one batch The next day I used a tablespoon and a half of a ready made yogurt per container as my starter and I used 1 and 1/2 tablespoonfuls of 20 ppm home made CS in one container rather the single tablespoonful. On day one, the milk made with the DW only, had indeed cultured into yogurt of decent consistency at the end of the 8 hour period. The milk which had been re-hydrated with the 20 ppm CS remained the consistency it was at the beginning of the eight our period. The container with the milk re-hydrated with the DW with 1 tablespoonful of 20ppm CS had also developed into a yogurt of the expected consistency. On day two, the results were the same. Yogurt in the container made with the distilled water. Uncultured milk in the container with the milk made using the CS. And yogurt in the container containing the milk made with the DW and 1 and 1/2 tablespoonfuls of CS. On each day I refrigerated the cultured yogurt and left the uncultured product on the counter. I have tasted all of the end products. The yogurt made with no CS tastes like yogurt. The ones containing a small amount of CS also taste like yogurt, although one of them does have a slightly more sour taste to it. It also seems to be slightly thicker in consistency. However variations of this kind are typical with my home made yogurt. The two containers containing the milk made by reconstituting the powdered milk with 20 ppm CS i have left on the counter and I'm tasting each of them every day. The one made on day one has developed a slightly sour taste to it. The one made on day two tastes like one would expect reconstituted powdered milk to taste with the exception that it has a slightly richer taste, probably resulting from the whole milk yogurt added as a starter. Obviously my little experiment is far from scientific but I think it does reveal some interesting information. These are my conclusions 1- Not surprisingly, at least to me, the full strength CS did in fact inhibit or stop the growth of the bacteria responsible for making yogurt and probably killed it outright. 2- Volume has a great effect on the efficacy of the CS. The 1 to 1 and 1/2 tablespoonfuls of CS just wasn't up to the task of knocking out all the yogurt forming bacteria. As a result yogurt was able to develop. 3- Depending on the amount of probiotic fed and the amount of CS given it is relatively unimportant how close together or separated, time wise, the administration of the CS and probiotic are. I am convinced by this experiment, and the fact that much of the silver in CS is absorbed before it ever reaches the stomach, that by the time they each get diluted by the rest of the stomach contents the CS is unlikely to affect the probiotic to any appreciable extent. 4- I believe that it clearly demonstrates that CS is equally effective against, at least some, good bacteria as it is against bad bacteria. Something which I have never doubted but is often debated on various lists. All comments, arguments, and questions are welcomed!! Let me say that the ppm concentration of my CS was challenged by
Re: CSDoes CS taken orally have a negative effect on benefical gut bacteria?
Langsley T Russell 8/9/03 5:42 AM Wrote: 4- I believe that it clearly demonstrates that CS is equally effective against, at least some, good bacteria as it is against bad bacteria. Something which I have never doubted but is often debated on various lists. All comments, arguments, and questions are welcomed!! *** Just tell the doubters that Germs are Germs -- and CS does not discriminate ! Some people enjoy arguing just for the sake of arguing. we've had a few on this list. One major reason for taking CS by itself is, in my opinion, that hopefully the CS doesn't stimulate the stomach to produce HCL to digest it and thus change the CS into ( hell I can never remember what the form is, but it isn't desirable ) - maybe some one from this list will fill in here for my poor memory. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDoes CS taken orally have a negative effect on benefical gut bacteria?
Dan Nave7/28/03 3:22 AM I doubt that you know what you are talking about. My father started the first pilot soybean processing factory in India and fed our cocker spaniel exclusively precooked textured soybean protein made from defatted soy bean. The dog thrived on it. I thought you were going to say - ...and fed our cocker spaniel... into the vat. :-) :-) Jack Laughing is good exercise. It's like jogging on the inside. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDoes CS taken orally have a negative effect on benefical gut bacteria?
colloidal.sil...@cox.net7/26/03 11:33 PM I encourage you to fresh make your own yogurt @ .5 gallons a day should be the max you give the puppy a day of @ 20ppm C.S. Of course the puppy will never drink that much... But that's based on converting the ration for human max consumption / @ 66 gallons per day... However please not that the only danger here is possible development of argyria if you drink @ 60+ gallons a day of 20ppm C.S., no toxicity, just possible development of blue skin if you can somehow manage to drink 60+ gallons per day for a period of several months !!! Alexander This guy's numbers are ridiculous. I wonder what list he inhabits? Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDoes CS taken orally have a negative effect on benefical gut bacteria?
Hello, I doubt that you know what you are talking about. My father started the first pilot soybean processing factory in India and fed our cocker spaniel exclusively precooked textured soybean protein made from defatted soy bean. The dog thrived on it. Red meat does not sit for days rotting in a normal bowel. If it does in yours, then you are sick. Dan From: colloidal.silver (view other messages by this author) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:28:23 Hello :) I encourage you to fresh make your own yogurt @ .5 gallons a day should be the max you give the puppy a day of @ 20ppm C.S. Of course the puppy will never drink that much... But that's based on converting the ration for human max consumption / @ 66 gallons per day... However please not that the only danger here is possible development of argyria if you drink @ 60+ gallons a day of 20ppm C.S., no toxicity, just possible development of blue skin if you can somehow manage to drink 60+ gallons per day for a period of several months !!! The home brewed yogurt is very good at maintaining intestonal balance... Of worthy note, I think, is my personal observation, that C.S. apears to get the bacteria, that my intestins use to digest red-meat... If I eat red meat after / durring ingestion of C.S., I end up just passing the red meat right out of my bowels... Noew normally red meat sits around rotting in your intestins for days... However dogs really need this red meat, and please take note... they cannot digest the soy protein crap in the purina dry-type dog chow that the b.s. label on the bag says staight faced that they can... please take a look at this URL http://www.bullovedbull dogs.com/barf.htm These folks use C.S. to treat their dogs too, so don't be shy about contacting them, and talking about puppies ! Regards, Alexander -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDoes CS taken orally have a negative effect on benefical gut bacteria?
Denise every wrote: She is concerned, though, how much CS would be safe to give a puppy, she was told by another breeder that the CS will destroy the beneficial gut bacteria as well as harmful ones. She is giving a few drops every few hours, or planning to, as well as a bit of organic yogurt. * Yes Denise, the vet knows whereof he speaks -- of course the CS will also destroy the gut bacteria, what is it that makes people think that CS is selective? Germs are germs. Yes, the yoghurt is a good way to re-establish beneficial intestinal flora, but I would put about 3 or 4 hours between the CS and the yoghurt Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDoes CS taken orally have a negative effect on benefical gut bacteria?
I have a friend who just called, she has a puppy almost 3 weeks old, about 20 ozs, who was doing well and this morning for no apparent reason took a turn for the worse, temperature dropped crying out, so she gave it some drops of colloidal silver and a homeopathic remedy for fading puppies (don't know the name of it offhand), and in the past couple of hours the puppy seems to be showing some improvement. She is concerned, though, how much CS would be safe to give a puppy, she was told by another breeder that the CS will destroy the beneficial gut bacteria as well as harmful ones. She is giving a few drops every few hours, or planning to, as well as a bit of organic yogurt. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Denise Every
Re: CSDoes CS taken orally have a negative effect on benefical gut bacteria?
I'd give the puppy a spoonful of CS every hour until it's better. Just a few drops isn't enough in my opinion. My doggies get much more than that in their daily drinking water. - Original Message - From: Denise Every To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 11:55 AM Subject: CSDoes CS taken orally have a negative effect on benefical gut bacteria? I have a friend who just called, she has a puppy almost 3 weeks old, about 20 ozs, who was doing well and this morning for no apparent reason took a turn for the worse, temperature dropped crying out, so she gave it some drops of colloidal silver and a homeopathic remedy for fading puppies (don't know the name of it offhand), and in the past couple of hours the puppy seems to be showing some improvement. She is concerned, though, how much CS would be safe to give a puppy, she was told by another breeder that the CS will destroy the beneficial gut bacteria as well as harmful ones. She is giving a few drops every few hours, or planning to, as well as a bit of organic yogurt. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Denise Every
Re: CSDoes CS taken orally have a negative effect on benefical gut bacteria?
Hi Denise ~ We have used CS often in the treatment of parvo pups and we do not limit their intake, infact we have used it straight, as their sole source of drinking water and those who consume the most, are the ones who recover the quickest. Since these pups were treated every hour, we gave the CS dose on the half hour (for those who weren't consuming fluids on their own) and gave colostrum every opposite half hour. Hope this helps and the pup recovers quickly! Happy Howling, Julie Critters Wolf Creek Ranch mailto:wolfcre...@earthlink.net http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/index.html Home of Whispering Winds Wholistic Animal Sanctuary The person who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt the person doing it. Don't dream a dream, live a dream and let reality sleep. ~ Enyo Johnson - Original Message - From: Denise Every deni...@citlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 9:55 AM Subject: CSDoes CS taken orally have a negative effect on benefical gut bacteria? I have a friend who just called, she has a puppy almost 3 weeks old, about 20 ozs, who was doing well and this morning for no apparent reason took a turn for the worse, temperature dropped crying out, so she gave it some drops of colloidal silver and a homeopathic remedy for fading puppies (don't know the name of it offhand), and in the past couple of hours the puppy seems to be showing some improvement. She is concerned, though, how much CS would be safe to give a puppy, she was told by another breeder that the CS will destroy the beneficial gut bacteria as well as harmful ones. She is giving a few drops every few hours, or planning to, as well as a bit of organic yogurt. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Denise Every -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDoes CS taken orally have a negative effect on benefical gut bacteria?
Hello :) I encourage you to fresh make your own yogurt @ .5 gallons a day should be the max you give the puppy a day of @ 20ppm C.S. Of course the puppy will never drink that much... But that's based on converting the ration for human max consumption / @ 66 gallons per day... However please not that the only danger here is possible development of argyria if you drink @ 60+ gallons a day of 20ppm C.S., no toxicity, just possible development of blue skin if you can somehow manage to drink 60+ gallons per day for a period of several months !!! The home brewed yogurt is very good at maintaining intestonal balance... Of worthy note, I think, is my personal observation, that C.S. apears to get the bacteria, that my intestins use to digest red-meat... If I eat red meat after / durring ingestion of C.S., I end up just passing the red meat right out of my bowels... Noew normally red meat sits around rotting in your intestins for days... However dogs really need this red meat, and please take note... they cannot digest the soy protein crap in the purina dry-type dog chow that the b.s. label on the bag says staight faced that they can... please take a look at this URL http://www.bullovedbulldogs.com/barf.htm These folks use C.S. to treat their dogs too, so don't be shy about contacting them, and talking about puppies ! Regards, Alexander - Original Message - From: Denise Every To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: CSDoes CS taken orally have a negative effect on benefical gut bacteria? I have a friend who just called, she has a puppy almost 3 weeks old, about 20 ozs, who was doing well and this morning for no apparent reason took a turn for the worse, temperature dropped crying out, so she gave it some drops of colloidal silver and a homeopathic remedy for fading puppies (don't know the name of it offhand), and in the past couple of hours the puppy seems to be showing some improvement. She is concerned, though, how much CS would be safe to give a puppy, she was told by another breeder that the CS will destroy the beneficial gut bacteria as well as harmful ones. She is giving a few drops every few hours, or planning to, as well as a bit of organic yogurt. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Denise Every
Re: CSDoes CS taken orally have a negative effect on benefical gut bacteria?
please take a look at this URL http://www.bullovedbulldogs.com/barf.htm Hi Denise and Alexander ~ This is Langsley's site. He uses CS daily in all of his dog and pup waterers and is also available at the CS Cats Dogs list at yahoo groups. Julie Critters -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
