Re: CSForum - some hard truths. Some hard opinions.
Well said Malcolm. I have no problem with this group at all - I get all the emails every day and if something interests me then I'll join in. If I have a problem, I'll ask - and usually someone can help. What more does anyone want? Dee Sent from my iPad On 19 Feb 2015, at 21:35, Malcolm s...@asis.com wrote: I have to respond; being another dwindling member with all-too-much flexibility and presently no access to internet of any sort beyond a land-line. E-mail is hardly (you'll pardon me, I trust) a deep rut either, and has proven itself quite user-friendly. Rather it is the highly commercial ISP's which have mis-used the medium to extract whatever sale-able gains they can from it, and if you imagine they are not eager to do the same or worse to the consumer in forums or other sorts of lists you are deluded. Further, the collective wisdom on this list remains accessible in the archives, which have survived in spite of the machinations of the above mentioned Large, Profit Driven ISP's (oh, and don't forget Comcast.) It is the community of dwindling members that have preserved their own copies of the archives and re-published them for us all; catch Yahooey doing that?! Uncle Ben is a fine man, and brilliant; however his mind operates at a much greater speed than, say, 9,999 out of ten thousand. This hardly qualifies as user-friendly for anyone but another Uncle-Ben, and often not for them either. I think you could figure this out - by observation if by no other means. Have mercy and a little caution DD; your hard truths are hard opinions, your examples less than exemplary, your disdain for contrasting thought, evident and contrary. Your positive suggestions seem quite worthwhile, and if you spend more of your efforts on illustrating their benefits I'd be grateful. Malcolm On Thu, 2015-02-19 at 23:57 +1030, Debra David wrote: On 19/02/2015 12:38 AM, M.G. Devour wrote: ... whatever platform you choose, I would strongly recommend that email notifications remain an optional feature. The ideal system will provide multiple communication methods, in order to reach/satisfy the largest potential audience. The largest potential audience is best reached by a having a user friendly forum. Not by having a forum that is stuck in a deep rut due to the inflexibility of a few dwindling members. The growth of vBulletin forums for even the most esoteric subjects should be a lesson here. (Mike, did you see Uncle Bens comment about why he posted once, then gave up?). The list serves those who are comfortable with it just fine. I get that. It is not, however, doing fully what it was intended to do, which is bring the collective wisdom of our community to new people as well as foster technical discussions and development. Sadly the 'collective wisdom' of this community is significantly less than it was 10 years ago. So much knowledge has passed through this forum, never to be seen again, that it is truly tragic. A couple of days ago I posted a message claiming I had discovered how to make crystal clear 200 ppm CS that was 50% ionic and 50% colloidal with particles smaller than Mesosilver. 10 years ago this would have brought a storm of questions, skepticism and ridicule. Today it passed without comment by anyone except Jason. Earlier in the week Floyd couldn't even get an answer to some pretty simple questions about his basic system. (My answer never appeared). More time has been spent discussing why he didnt get an answer than actually answering him. Anyway Mike, good luck with the search for a new format but I think you are barking up the wrong tree. Despite not having an email digest vBulletin is a proven success and has all the features you really need (including pictures!). You already have a license so why not give it a try as a parallel forum? If you do, my first post on it will be instructions on how to make that 'Super CS' I mentioned above. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSForum - some hard truths.
On 19/02/2015 12:38 AM, M.G. Devour wrote: ... whatever platform you choose, I would strongly recommend that email notifications remain an optional feature. The ideal system will provide multiple communication methods, in order to reach/satisfy the largest potential audience. The largest potential audience is best reached by a having a user friendly forum. Not by having a forum that is stuck in a deep rut due to the inflexibility of a few dwindling members. The growth of vBulletin forums for even the most esoteric subjects should be a lesson here. (Mike, did you see Uncle Bens comment about why he posted once, then gave up?). The list serves those who are comfortable with it just fine. I get that. It is not, however, doing fully what it was intended to do, which is bring the collective wisdom of our community to new people as well as foster technical discussions and development. Sadly the 'collective wisdom' of this community is significantly less than it was 10 years ago. So much knowledge has passed through this forum, never to be seen again, that it is truly tragic. A couple of days ago I posted a message claiming I had discovered how to make crystal clear 200 ppm CS that was 50% ionic and 50% colloidal with particles smaller than Mesosilver. 10 years ago this would have brought a storm of questions, skepticism and ridicule. Today it passed without comment by anyone except Jason. Earlier in the week Floyd couldn't even get an answer to some pretty simple questions about his basic system. (My answer never appeared). More time has been spent discussing why he didnt get an answer than actually answering him. Anyway Mike, good luck with the search for a new format but I think you are barking up the wrong tree. Despite not having an email digest vBulletin is a proven success and has all the features you really need (including pictures!). You already have a license so why not give it a try as a parallel forum? If you do, my first post on it will be instructions on how to make that 'Super CS' I mentioned above. David
CSForum - some hard truths. Some hard opinions.
I have to respond; being another dwindling member with all-too-much flexibility and presently no access to internet of any sort beyond a land-line. E-mail is hardly (you'll pardon me, I trust) a deep rut either, and has proven itself quite user-friendly. Rather it is the highly commercial ISP's which have mis-used the medium to extract whatever sale-able gains they can from it, and if you imagine they are not eager to do the same or worse to the consumer in forums or other sorts of lists you are deluded. Further, the collective wisdom on this list remains accessible in the archives, which have survived in spite of the machinations of the above mentioned Large, Profit Driven ISP's (oh, and don't forget Comcast.) It is the community of dwindling members that have preserved their own copies of the archives and re-published them for us all; catch Yahooey doing that?! Uncle Ben is a fine man, and brilliant; however his mind operates at a much greater speed than, say, 9,999 out of ten thousand. This hardly qualifies as user-friendly for anyone but another Uncle-Ben, and often not for them either. I think you could figure this out - by observation if by no other means. Have mercy and a little caution DD; your hard truths are hard opinions, your examples less than exemplary, your disdain for contrasting thought, evident and contrary. Your positive suggestions seem quite worthwhile, and if you spend more of your efforts on illustrating their benefits I'd be grateful. Malcolm On Thu, 2015-02-19 at 23:57 +1030, Debra David wrote: On 19/02/2015 12:38 AM, M.G. Devour wrote: ... whatever platform you choose, I would strongly recommend that email notifications remain an optional feature. The ideal system will provide multiple communication methods, in order to reach/satisfy the largest potential audience. The largest potential audience is best reached by a having a user friendly forum. Not by having a forum that is stuck in a deep rut due to the inflexibility of a few dwindling members. The growth of vBulletin forums for even the most esoteric subjects should be a lesson here. (Mike, did you see Uncle Bens comment about why he posted once, then gave up?). The list serves those who are comfortable with it just fine. I get that. It is not, however, doing fully what it was intended to do, which is bring the collective wisdom of our community to new people as well as foster technical discussions and development. Sadly the 'collective wisdom' of this community is significantly less than it was 10 years ago. So much knowledge has passed through this forum, never to be seen again, that it is truly tragic. A couple of days ago I posted a message claiming I had discovered how to make crystal clear 200 ppm CS that was 50% ionic and 50% colloidal with particles smaller than Mesosilver. 10 years ago this would have brought a storm of questions, skepticism and ridicule. Today it passed without comment by anyone except Jason. Earlier in the week Floyd couldn't even get an answer to some pretty simple questions about his basic system. (My answer never appeared). More time has been spent discussing why he didnt get an answer than actually answering him. Anyway Mike, good luck with the search for a new format but I think you are barking up the wrong tree. Despite not having an email digest vBulletin is a proven success and has all the features you really need (including pictures!). You already have a license so why not give it a try as a parallel forum? If you do, my first post on it will be instructions on how to make that 'Super CS' I mentioned above. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSForum - some hard truths.
David: I must have missed your post about making the 200ppm CS yesterday. I probably just didn't see it as I seldom read each and ever post especially when things get busy. But my question is, why? What does one do with such a high ppm CS? Is it better, as in more efficient, than the CS we usually make? Collective wisdom :) Wisdom is different than knowledge. Wisdom is knowing what to do with the knowledge you have. For me, I have to keep things simple. People with cfs, Lyme, fibro all experience brain fog. Some days are better than others, but as the saying goes, of all the things I miss, I miss my mind the most. And I so admire when I see a good brain working, but I doubt if I will ever be able to keep up. Still it's a pleasure to watch. There once was a woman (I think she was on this list) that made the comment she didn't understand all the technical stuff about CS, the different ppm or much of anything, but all she knew was the sovereign silver (I think that was the brand but not sure) worked better for her and gave her back her life. I can't remember what she was treating tho. I think it was Lyme. We were talking about the different prices. I understood completely about not understanding. chuckle For me the extent of my expertise is a good quality distilled water, silver, current; cook till done, drink. And that works for me. There are archives for the list, but I don't know if they go back 10 years. People could search them and perhaps find more information if so inclined. I've noticed some posts don't make it to the archives tho. Some posts don't make it through email to me either. Speaking of Uncle Ben, his posts, for some reason, never came through to my email. I only saw them in the archives. The problem with the archive, tho, is you can't reply from there. The posts not showing up, people not getting a response, or, for some, the lack of wisdom seems to be the greatest complaints. I never understood why some posts go through and why others don't either, but if going to another forum will help, great. I don't understand why it use to work and now it's not either. Anyway, if this goes through, I hope you will answer my question about the 200 ppm CS. Gail On Thursday, February 19, 2015 6:35 AM, Debra David alch...@kern.com.au wrote: On 19/02/2015 12:38 AM, M.G. Devour wrote: ... whatever platform you choose, I would strongly recommend that email notifications remain an optional feature. The ideal system will provide multiple communication methods, in order to reach/satisfy the largest potential audience. The largest potential audience is best reached by a having a user friendly forum. Not by having a forum that is stuck in a deep rut due to the inflexibility of a few dwindling members. The growth of vBulletin forums for even the most esoteric subjects should be a lesson here. (Mike, did you see Uncle Bens comment about why he posted once, then gave up?). The list serves those who are comfortable with it just fine. I get that. It is not, however, doing fully what it was intended to do, which is bring the collective wisdom of our community to new people as well as foster technical discussions and development. Sadly the 'collective wisdom' of this community is significantly less than it was 10 years ago. So much knowledge has passed through this forum, never to be seen again, that it is truly tragic. A couple of days ago I posted a message claiming I had discovered how to make crystal clear 200 ppm CS that was 50% ionic and 50% colloidal with particles smaller than Mesosilver. 10 years ago this would have brought a storm of questions, skepticism and ridicule. Today it passed without comment by anyone except Jason. Earlier in the week Floyd couldn't even get an answer to some pretty simple questions about his basic system. (My answer never appeared). More time has been spent discussing why he didnt get an answer than actually answering him. Anyway Mike, good luck with the search for a new format but I think you are barking up the wrong tree. Despite not having an email digest vBulletin is a proven success and has all the features you really need (including pictures!). You already have a license so why not give it a try as a parallel forum? If you do, my first post on it will be instructions on how to make that 'Super CS' I mentioned above. David
