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Yes, I am going to keep this post too. Aging is I believe, caused largely by lack of enzymes which the pancreas only has a finite amount of; therefore it slows down the amount it produces over the years after a certain age, in order to last. This will cause fibrin to build up in the joints and arteries etc., I believe enzyme supplementation can also help with autoimmune disorders and also a lot of other things including cancer. See Dr Wong or Enzymestuff.com dee On 23 Aug 2009, at 05:06, Jean Baugh wrote: Hi Malcolm, I immediately passed on your information to my friend. They are in pretty bad shape from the sound of it. After thinking about it a bit, am beginning to think auto immune diseases are more common than uncommon. Very interesting information about re-educating your immune system. I've even wondered if aging might be an auto immune disease. Thank you, Jean * Since Grave's is considered an autoimmune disease your friend (or you) might find that CMO (Cerasomal cis-9 cetyl Myristoleate) could be useful. Long name, for sure, but there are several hyped products calling themselves CMO that are not the right stuff so the name helps one distinguish. The basic idea is that CMO helps the immune system cool out, so it is much less likely to remain overstimulated and attack one's own self as an enemy. It doesn't damp down the immune system, more like re- educate it. There's quite a bit of info on the web, and some of Brooks Bradley's posts from a year or so ago go into it's use in some detail. Those posts can probably be found on Wayne Fugitt's archives; http://www.fugitt.com/cs_notes/ You'll maybe have to poke around a little . . . HTH, Malcolm On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 16:28 -0500, Jean Baugh wrote: Hi, Thank you to everyone for their information on Grave's disease. It has been passed on to the person who has this. Great list, great people! Thank you, -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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No I agree, and although I do not like meat much, I recognize that the human is supposed to eat animal protein of some kind as they can become ill if just vegetarian. sol is a case in point. I also realize that some people are vegetarian because they do not like the way animals are treated, and I certainly can sympathize with that, but it does not mean that we should eat soy as an alternative. I wouldn't. dee On 22 Aug 2009, at 00:18, Dave Darrin wrote: So what is your point!!! The things you just named are also known as FOOD. We are not all vegan. Dave On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com wrote:
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The point sure does get lost fast around here when someone says vegetarian. It's pretty weird... -- /\ /\ \ / ^ 'v-v'B.Trig On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 04:39:43PM +0100, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: No I agree, and although I do not like meat much, I recognize that the human is supposed to eat animal protein of some kind as they can become ill if just vegetarian. sol is a case in point. I also realize that some people are vegetarian because they do not like the way animals are treated, and I certainly can sympathize with that, but it does not mean that we should eat soy as an alternative. I wouldn't. dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Yeah, if you walk into a bar and mention rehab you'll get a similar result. --- On Sat, 8/22/09, B.Trig thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com wrote: From: B.Trig thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com Subject: [thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com: Re: CSGrave's disease] To: cussin...@yahoo.com Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 4:41 PM - Forwarded message from B.Trig thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com From: B.Trig thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:00:41 -0400 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSGrave's disease The point sure does get lost fast around here when someone says vegetarian. It's pretty weird... -- /\ /\ \ / ^ 'v-v' B.Trig On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 04:39:43PM +0100, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: No I agree, and although I do not like meat much, I recognize that the human is supposed to eat animal protein of some kind as they can become ill if just vegetarian. sol is a case in point. I also realize that some people are vegetarian because they do not like the way animals are treated, and I certainly can sympathize with that, but it does not mean that we should eat soy as an alternative. I wouldn't. dee - End forwarded message -
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Hi Jean, Since Grave's is considered an autoimmune disease your friend (or you) might find that CMO (Cerasomal cis-9 cetyl Myristoleate) could be useful. Long name, for sure, but there are several hyped products calling themselves CMO that are not the right stuff so the name helps one distinguish. The basic idea is that CMO helps the immune system cool out, so it is much less likely to remain overstimulated and attack one's own self as an enemy. It doesn't damp down the immune system, more like re-educate it. There's quite a bit of info on the web, and some of Brooks Bradley's posts from a year or so ago go into it's use in some detail. Those posts can probably be found on Wayne Fugitt's archives; http://www.fugitt.com/cs_notes/ You'll maybe have to poke around a little . . . HTH, Malcolm On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 16:28 -0500, Jean Baugh wrote: Hi, Thank you to everyone for their information on Grave's disease. It has been passed on to the person who has this. Great list, great people! Thank you, Jean -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Malcolm, I immediately passed on your information to my friend. They are in pretty bad shape from the sound of it. After thinking about it a bit, am beginning to think auto immune diseases are more common than uncommon. Very interesting information about re-educating your immune system. I've even wondered if aging might be an auto immune disease. Thank you, Jean * Since Grave's is considered an autoimmune disease your friend (or you) might find that CMO (Cerasomal cis-9 cetyl Myristoleate) could be useful. Long name, for sure, but there are several hyped products calling themselves CMO that are not the right stuff so the name helps one distinguish. The basic idea is that CMO helps the immune system cool out, so it is much less likely to remain overstimulated and attack one's own self as an enemy. It doesn't damp down the immune system, more like re-educate it. There's quite a bit of info on the web, and some of Brooks Bradley's posts from a year or so ago go into it's use in some detail. Those posts can probably be found on Wayne Fugitt's archives; http://www.fugitt.com/cs_notes/ You'll maybe have to poke around a little . . . HTH, Malcolm On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 16:28 -0500, Jean Baugh wrote: Hi, Thank you to everyone for their information on Grave's disease. It has been passed on to the person who has this. Great list, great people! Thank you, -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I wonder if iodine supplementation would help. Iodine has marvelous properties and the lack of it is involved in a lot of disease, especially the thyroid and breast cancer. You have to make sure you are not allergic to it though. dee On 20 Aug 2009, at 21:29, Jean Baugh wrote: Hi, A friend of mine told me they were diagnosed with Grave's disease and there were two options; prescription drugs or removal of the thyroid gland. The symptoms are awful, sounds like an auto immune attack. Does anyone have information on this disease that might be of help? Thank you, Jean --
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Stay away from soy. This is a big task, as it has about 40 different names. Here's a good place to start: http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html Thora -Original Message- From: Jean Baugh [mailto:oldgl...@bigcountry.net] Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:29 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSGrave's disease Hi, A friend of mine told me they were diagnosed with Grave's disease and there were two options; prescription drugs or removal of the thyroid gland. The symptoms are awful, sounds like an auto immune attack. Does anyone have information on this disease that might be of help? Thank you, Jean -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2316 - Release Date: 08/20/09 18:06:00
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Thora Isn't Lecithin a soy product? Dianne From: mugg...@cyberlink.bc.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSGrave's disease Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:53:19 -0700 Stay away from soy. This is a big task, as it has about 40 different names. Here's a good place to start: http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html Thora -Original Message- From: Jean Baugh [mailto:oldgl...@bigcountry.net] Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:29 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSGrave's disease Hi, A friend of mine told me they were diagnosed with Grave's disease and there were two options; prescription drugs or removal of the thyroid gland. The symptoms are awful, sounds like an auto immune attack. Does anyone have information on this disease that might be of help? Thank you, Jean -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2316 - Release Date: 08/20/09 18:06:00 _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009
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The Weston A. Price foundation is basically a shill for the dairy and meat industries, and their scapegoating of soy pretty much amounts to a disinformation campaign. Look more deeply into their propaganda and you'll see they have little regard for the truth. http://www.radiantrecovery.com/soy4303html.htm http://unreasonable.org/node/1642 http://www.soytoy.com/soyvey.html The fact is there are positives and negatives to soy, just as with practically every other food on the planet. Don't base your diet on a single food (duh), and don't be fooled by the meat industry's disinformation campaigns! -- indi On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 05:53:19AM -0700, Thora Rasmusen (Home) wrote: Stay away from soy. This is a big task, as it has about 40 different names. Here's a good place to start: http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html Thora -Original Message- From: Jean Baugh [mailto:oldgl...@bigcountry.net] Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:29 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSGrave's disease Hi, A friend of mine told me they were diagnosed with Grave's disease and there were two options; prescription drugs or removal of the thyroid gland. The symptoms are awful, sounds like an auto immune attack. Does anyone have information on this disease that might be of help? Thank you, Jean -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2316 - Release Date: 08/20/09 18:06:00 -- indi
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Indi What works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another. I am a WAP member only because a friend recommended I try some of their practices when I was totally home bound and getting worse. I truly felt doctors were killing me and they were. Today I live a fairly normal life thanks to WAP. I don't take everything they teach as gospel but am a much healthier person and enjoy life thanks to them. If you choose not to agree is one thing but to call them a shill is another. I believe my returned health to be my truth. Proof is in the pudding thing:-) I appreciate many of your posts, name calling isn't one of them. Dianne Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:13:44 -0400 From: indi.sha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSGrave's disease The Weston A. Price foundation is basically a shill for the dairy and meat _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009
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Hi Dianne, Naming a thing what it is could be construed as name calling, but IMO it's a good thing to do it. It isn't simply that I choose not to agree Dianne, it's that they do spread dangerous disinformation. I'm sorry if pointing that out upsets you, but facts are facts. However, I have no desire to debate this. I simply provided a few appropriate links in order to raise the awareness of those who might otherwise be fooled by the disinformation. Here's two more: http://ethicaleating.org.uk/2008/10/26/saturatedfatisgoodforyou/ http://www.aviva.ca/article.asp?articleid=14 I'm glad that you have made some progress in your recovery, but IMO you may be misattributing the cause of it. That does happen sometimes. -- indi On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:49:53AM -0400, Dianne France wrote: Indi What works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another. I am a WAP member only because a friend recommended I try some of their practices when I was totally home bound and getting worse. I truly felt doctors were killing me and they were. Today I live a fairly normal life thanks to WAP. I don't take everything they teach as gospel but am a much healthier person and enjoy life thanks to them. If you choose not to agree is one thing but to call them a shill is another. I believe my returned health to be my truth. Proof is in the pudding thing:-) I appreciate many of your posts, name calling isn't one of them. Dianne Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:13:44 -0400 From: indi.sha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSGrave's disease The Weston A. Price foundation is basically a shill for the dairy and meat __ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Removal of the thyroid gland or drugs are completely unnecessary! There are other options. CS can help. There is a theory that what causes Graves, Hashimoto's and the like is a mycoplasma or other bacterial/viral/fungal infection, so CS could kill that. It's an autoimmune attack, because there are 'bugs' in the thyroid that they body is trying to kill - not the thyroid itself. Also he/she needs to asses other hormone status, particularly cortisol. If they have low cortisol, then thyroid would be high. You can point her to some thyroid groups... Tons of info here... http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormones/?yguid=352190340 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/?yguid=3 52190340 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thyroidless/?yguid=352190340 Hope this helps! Gina -Original Message- From: Jean Baugh [mailto:oldgl...@bigcountry.net] Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:29 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSGrave's disease Hi, A friend of mine told me they were diagnosed with Grave's disease and there were two options; prescription drugs or removal of the thyroid gland. The symptoms are awful, sounds like an auto immune attack. Does anyone have information on this disease that might be of help? Thank you, Jean -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I thought the body couldn't assimilate soy. Except for fermented or sprouted that is. dee On 21 Aug 2009, at 16:13, Indi wrote: The Weston A. Price foundation is basically a shill for the dairy and meat industries, and their scapegoating of soy pretty much amounts to a disinformation campaign. Look more deeply into their propaganda and you'll see they have little regard for the truth.
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That's why I posted those links, because there is a lot of that kind of disinformation about soy being passed around. Of course there is also pro-soy disinformation, propagated by companies like Monsanto who deal in GMOs. One has to do a lot of reading to uncover the truth, which is (predictably) something in between the extremes. To capsulize: Soy is a healthful addition to a proper diet, one shouldn't make it one's sole source of protein, beware of GMOs masquerading as health food. BTW, raw soybeans (edamame) are a potent anti-carcinogen and in some parts of the eastern hemisphere (which enjoy a much smaller incidence of cancer and cardiovascular disease than we have here) unfermented soy is consumed in fairly large quantities. HTH, -- indi On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 06:31:43PM +0100, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: I thought the body couldn't assimilate soy. Except for fermented or sprouted that is. dee On 21 Aug 2009, at 16:13, Indi wrote: The Weston A. Price foundation is basically a shill for the dairy and meat industries, and their scapegoating of soy pretty much amounts to a disinformation campaign. Look more deeply into their propaganda and you'll see they have little regard for the truth. -- indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Mind you, there are a lot of things those people consume (or don't consume) that we do; which can also contribute to this factor, not just soy. dee On 21 Aug 2009, at 18:59, Indi wrote: BTW, raw soybeans (edamame) are a potent anti-carcinogen and in some parts of the eastern hemisphere (which enjoy a much smaller incidence of cancer and cardiovascular disease than we have here) unfermented soy is consumed in fairly large quantities. HTH, -- indi
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That's true, and also correlation is not causation. However, I believe my point (debunking the anti-soy propaganda of the Price foundation) was made, and that was my goal. I'm not out to evangelize, more like out to debunk evangelists. :) -- indi On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 07:12:12PM +0100, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Mind you, there are a lot of things those people consume (or don't consume) that we do; which can also contribute to this factor, not just soy. dee On 21 Aug 2009, at 18:59, Indi wrote: BTW, raw soybeans (edamame) are a potent anti-carcinogen and in some parts of the eastern hemisphere (which enjoy a much smaller incidence of cancer and cardiovascular disease than we have here) unfermented soy is consumed in fairly large quantities. HTH, -- indi -- indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I was wondering *why* the Price foundation would want to spread adverse propaganda about soy. I cannot see that it would benefit them in any way because people who like meat etc., will never give it up for soy anyway. It must cost a lot to gather and publish all this information and unless there was a huge monetary gain (which I can't see) it would make you wonder why they bothered. Dr Mercola also says soy is not healthy in the unfermented or un-sprouted form, and I can't see that he would have an axe to grind, because *he* isn't involved in the meat industry. On the other hand, I can see that they soy industry would be *very* interested in discrediting something like the Price foundation or Mercola for that matter, as they would have a lot to lose wouldn't they? Anyway, as you say, it is good to have a look at all sides and then make an informed choice, based on your own conclusions. dee On 21 Aug 2009, at 19:29, Indi wrote: That's true, and also correlation is not causation. However, I believe my point (debunking the anti-soy propaganda of the Price foundation) was made, and that was my goal. I'm not out to evangelize, more like out to debunk evangelists. :) -- indi
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I guess you haven't read the links I posted. The Price foundation is largely funded by dairy and meat farmers. Obvious what they would have to gain. :) Mercola I haven't looked into, but the idea that soy has to be fermented is simply in error. People are fallible, so I see nothing sinister in that. BTW probably three fourths of the nutrition advice I see is full of errors and misconceptions, but most of it isn't coming from any evil conspiracy (as far as I know, anyway). A united soy industry per se doesn't really exist, though Monsanto and other large corporations who peddle GMOs (including soy-based GMOs) do have quite a stake in seeing *their* soy products incorporated into as many foods as possible. But don't throw out the baby with the bath water. There are high-powered special interests on both sides of the issue, and they do not have *our* best interests in mind. However, I am not affiliated with nor do I endorse any of them. Hence, my previous advice Beware of GMOs masquerading as health food, don't use soy (or anything else) as your sole source of protein, etc. -- indi On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 08:13:43PM +0100, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: I was wondering *why* the Price foundation would want to spread adverse propaganda about soy. I cannot see that it would benefit them in any way because people who like meat etc., will never give it up for soy anyway. It must cost a lot to gather and publish all this information and unless there was a huge monetary gain (which I can't see) it would make you wonder why they bothered. Dr Mercola also says soy is not healthy in the unfermented or un-sprouted form, and I can't see that he would have an axe to grind, because *he* isn't involved in the meat industry. On the other hand, I can see that they soy industry would be *very* int erested in discrediting something like the Price foundation or Mercola for that matter, as they would have a lot to lose wouldn't they? Anyw ay, as you say, it is good to have a look at all sides and then make an informed choice, based on your own conclusions. dee On 21 Aug 2009, at 19:29, Indi wrote: That's true, and also correlation is not causation. However, I believe my point (debunking the anti-soy propaganda of the Price foundation) was made, and that was my goal. I'm not out to evangelize, more like out to debunk evangelists. :) -- indi -- indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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The idea that the Weston Price foundation is a shill for the dairy and meat industries is nonsense. The Price foundation only advocates organic raw milk and grass fed beef, in addition to a diet rich in fruit and vegetables. This, of course, makes them the enemy of the commercial beef and milk industries. The Price foundation's primary emphasis is on avoiding grains and sugar and refined foods in general. Dr. Weston Price traveled the world to find the healthiest people, and his findings indicated that those who followed a traditional diet were the healthiest. This mainly included people who subsisted on locally raised meat, dairy, and vegetables. He also found that these same people, when exposed to a modern diet of fast foods, processed foods, and grains, rapidly experienced many of the same health problems as are rampant in our western society. Speaking of evangelists, the soy industry is guilty of extensive misleading propaganda claiming that soy is a miracle health food. One of the big problems with soy is its high estrogen content, which is very bad for growing children, both male and female. If you want to know what the Weston Price foundation thinks of soy, I suggest you visit their site and read what they have to say. The literature is extensive and most of it is backed by solid scientific fact. I, for one, find it quite convincing. http://www.westonaprice.org/ Del - Original Message - From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:13 PM Subject: Re: CSGrave's disease I was wondering *why* the Price foundation would want to spread adverse propaganda about soy. I cannot see that it would benefit them in any way because people who like meat etc., will never give it up for soy anyway. It must cost a lot to gather and publish all this information and unless there was a huge monetary gain (which I can't see) it would make you wonder why they bothered. Dr Mercola also says soy is not healthy in the unfermented or un-sprouted form, and I can't see that he would have an axe to grind, because *he* isn't involved in the meat industry. On the other hand, I can see that they soy industry would be *very* interested in discrediting something like the Price foundation or Mercola for that matter, as they would have a lot to lose wouldn't they? Anyway, as you say, it is good to have a look at all sides and then make an informed choice, based on your own conclusions. dee On 21 Aug 2009, at 19:29, Indi wrote: That's true, and also correlation is not causation. However, I believe my point (debunking the anti-soy propaganda of the Price foundation) was made, and that was my goal. I'm not out to evangelize, more like out to debunk evangelists. :) -- indi
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You should read the links I posted. And just so you know, organic raw milk and grass fed beef are still dairy and meat. The Price foundation's emphasis, clearly seen on their website, is anti-soy, anti-vegetarian, pro-dairy, pro-meat. Any other characterization of them is simply dishonest. And that is the the very last thing I'm going to say about it. Anyone who has any sense can see the truth easily enough. -- indi On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 04:23:58PM -0400, Del wrote: The idea that the Weston Price foundation is a shill for the dairy and meat industries is nonsense. The Price foundation only advocates organic raw milk and grass fed beef, in addition to a diet rich in fruit and vegetables. This, of course, makes them the enemy of the commercial beef and milk industries. The Price foundation's primary emphasis is on avoiding grains and sugar and refined foods in general. Dr. Weston Price traveled the world to find the healthiest people, and his findings indicated that those who followed a traditional diet were the healthiest. This mainly included people who subsisted on locally raised meat, dairy, and vegetables. He also found that these same people, when exposed to a modern diet of fast foods, processed foods, and grains, rapidly experienced many of the same health problems as are rampant in our western society. Speaking of evangelists, the soy industry is guilty of extensive misleading propaganda claiming that soy is a miracle health food. One of the big problems with soy is its high estrogen content, which is very bad for growing children, both male and female. If you want to know what the Weston Price foundation thinks of soy, I suggest you visit their site and read what they have to say. The literature is extensive and most of it is backed by solid scientific fact. I, for one, find it quite convincing. [1]http://www.westonaprice.org/ Del - Original Message - From: [2]Dorothy Fitzpatrick To: [3]silver-l...@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:13 PM Subject: Re: CSGrave's disease I was wondering *why* the Price foundation would want to spread adverse propaganda about soy. I cannot see that it would benefit them in any way because people who like meat etc., will never give it up for soy anyway. It must cost a lot to gather and publish all this information and unless there was a huge monetary gain (which I can't see) it would make you wonder why they bothered. Dr Mercola also says soy is not healthy in the unfermented or un-sprouted form, and I can't see that he would have an axe to grind, because *he* isn't involved in the meat industry. On the other hand, I can see that they soy industry would be *very* interested in discrediting something like the Price foundation or Me rcola for that matter, as they would have a lot to lose wouldn't the y? Anyway, as you say, it is good to have a look at all sides and then make an informed choice, based on your own conclusions. dee On 21 Aug 2009, at 19:29, Indi wrote: That's true, and also correlation is not causation. However, I believe my point (debunking the anti-soy propaganda of the Price foundation) was made, and that was my goal. I'm not out to evangelize, more like out to debunk evangelists. :) -- indi References 1. http://www.westonaprice.org/ 2. mailto:d...@deetroy.org 3. mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com -- indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi, Thank you to everyone for their information on Grave's disease. It has been passed on to the person who has this. Great list, great people! Thank you, Jean -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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AHA! The crux of the rant---anti-vegetarian... Case closed . Chuck Never eat prunes when you're famished. On 8/21/2009 5:08:23 PM, Indi (indi.sha...@gmail.com) wrote: You should read the links I posted. And just so you know, organic raw milk and grass fed beef are still dairy and meat. The Price foundation's emphasis, clearly seen on their website, is anti-soy, anti-vegetarian, pro-dairy, pro-meat. Any other characterization of them is simply dishonest. And that is the the very last thing I'm going to say about it. Anyone who has any sense can see the truth easily enough. -- indi On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 04:23:58PM -0400, Del wrote: The idea that the Weston Price foundation is a shill for the dairy and meat industries is nonsense. The Price foundation only advocates organic raw milk and grass fed beef, in addition to a diet rich in fruit and vegetables. This, of course, makes them the enemy of the commercial beef and milk industries. The Price foundation's primary emphasis is on avoiding grains and sugar and refined foods in general. Dr. Weston Price traveled the world to find the healthiest people, and his findings indicated that those who followed a traditional diet No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2317 - Release Date: 08/21/09 06:04:00
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I see you found an easy substitute for reason. Good luck with that... -- indi On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 05:52:25PM -0400, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: AHA! The crux of the rant---anti-vegetarian... Case closed . Chuck Never eat prunes when you're famished. On 8/21/2009 5:08:23 PM, Indi (indi.sha...@gmail.com) wrote: You should read the links I posted. And just so you know, organic raw milk and grass fed beef are still dairy and meat. The Price foundation's emphasis, clearly seen on their website, is anti-soy, anti-vegetarian, pro-dairy, pro-meat. Any other characterization of them is simply dishonest. And that is the the very last thing I'm going to say about it. Anyone who has any sense can see the truth easily enough. -- indi On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 04:23:58PM -0400, Del wrote: The idea that the Weston Price foundation is a shill for the dairy and meat industries is nonsense. The Price foundation only advocates organic raw milk and grass fed beef, in addition to a diet rich in fruit and vegetables. This, of course, makes them the enemy of the commercial beef and milk industries. The Price foundation's primary emphasis is on avoiding grains and sugar and refined foods in general. Dr. Weston Price traveled the world to find the healthiest people, and his findings indicated that those who followed a traditional diet No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.63/2317 - Release Date: 08/21/09 06:04:00 -- indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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So what is your point!!! The things you just named are also known as FOOD. We are not all vegan. Dave On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com wrote: You should read the links I posted. And just so you know, organic raw milk and grass fed beef are still dairy and meat. The Price foundation's emphasis, clearly seen on their website, is anti-soy, anti-vegetarian, pro-dairy, pro-meat. Any other characterization of them is simply dishonest. And that is the the very last thing I'm going to say about it. Anyone who has any sense can see the truth easily enough. -- indi On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 04:23:58PM -0400, Del wrote: The idea that the Weston Price foundation is a shill for the dairy and meat industries is nonsense. The Price foundation only advocates organic raw milk and grass fed beef, in addition to a diet rich in fruit and vegetables. This, of course, makes them the enemy of the commercial beef and milk industries. The Price foundation's primary emphasis is on avoiding grains and sugar and refined foods in general. Dr. Weston Price traveled the world to find the healthiest people, and his findings indicated that those who followed a traditional diet were the healthiest. This mainly included people who subsisted on locally raised meat, dairy, and vegetables. He also found that these same people, when exposed to a modern diet of fast foods, processed foods, and grains, rapidly experienced many of the same health problems as are rampant in our western society. Speaking of evangelists, the soy industry is guilty of extensive misleading propaganda claiming that soy is a miracle health food. One of the big problems with soy is its high estrogen content, which is very bad for growing children, both male and female. If you want to know what the Weston Price foundation thinks of soy, I suggest you visit their site and read what they have to say. The literature is extensive and most of it is backed by solid scientific fact. I, for one, find it quite convincing. [1]http://www.westonaprice.org/ Del - Original Message - From: [2]Dorothy Fitzpatrick To: [3]silver-l...@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:13 PM Subject: Re: CSGrave's disease I was wondering *why* the Price foundation would want to spread adverse propaganda about soy. I cannot see that it would benefit them in any way because people who like meat etc., will never give it up for soy anyway. It must cost a lot to gather and publish all this information and unless there was a huge monetary gain (which I can't see) it would make you wonder why they bothered. Dr Mercola also says soy is not healthy in the unfermented or un-sprouted form, and I can't see that he would have an axe to grind, because *he* isn't involved in the meat industry. On the other hand, I can see that they soy industry would be *very* interested in discrediting something like the Price foundation or Me rcola for that matter, as they would have a lot to lose wouldn't the y? Anyway, as you say, it is good to have a look at all sides and then make an informed choice, based on your own conclusions. dee On 21 Aug 2009, at 19:29, Indi wrote: That's true, and also correlation is not causation. However, I believe my point (debunking the anti-soy propaganda of the Price foundation) was made, and that was my goal. I'm not out to evangelize, more like out to debunk evangelists. :) -- indi References 1. http://www.westonaprice.org/ 2. mailto:d...@deetroy.org 3. mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com -- indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 04:18:53PM -0700, Dave Darrin wrote: So what is your point!!! The things you just named are also known as FOOD. We are not all vegan. Dave My point was already made quite clearly. HINT: It was not about vegetarianism vs meat eating, and trying to spin it that way is a disingenuous maneuver. HTH, HAND! -- /\ /\ \ / ^ 'v-v'B.Trig -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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It looked that way to me. I didn't know anything about Weston A Price when I cautioned about Soy. I found my information elsewhere. You might Google Dr. Wong and see what he says about the poison seed. Everything has it's place and as a motor fuel Soy is OK. Just as Canola oil (rape seed) is Ok as a penetrating oil on rusted bolts AKA liquid Wrench. Dave On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM, B.Trig thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 04:18:53PM -0700, Dave Darrin wrote: So what is your point!!! The things you just named are also known as FOOD. We are not all vegan. Dave My point was already made quite clearly. HINT: It was not about vegetarianism vs meat eating, and trying to spin it that way is a disingenuous maneuver. HTH, HAND! -- /\ /\ \ / ^ 'v-v'B.Trig -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 05:05:38PM -0700, Dave Darrin wrote: It looked that way to me. I didn't know anything about Weston A Price when I cautioned about Soy. I found my information elsewhere. You might Google Dr. Wong and see what he says about the poison seed. Everything has it's place and as a motor fuel Soy is OK. Just as Canola oil (rape seed) is Ok as a penetrating oil on rusted bolts AKA liquid Wrench. Dave Well, several indigenous cultures have tested soy for us for centuries, and the verdict appears to be that it is quite a beneficial food. It's a shame though that Monsanto and others have used it as the basis for GMOs and then pushed those GMOs so heavily. Certainly has fueled a lot of misunderstanding and poorly thought out criticism against soy in general... I know very little about canola oil honestly. I prefer olive oil, coconut oil, and butter. No, I'm not a vegan -- I'm a lacto vegetarian. It's my understanding that we do need some animal fat in the diet, though not much. I think cruelty-free dairy is just fine. (Just for the record, so when people ad hominem me next time they can do it correctly, LOL). -- /\ /\ \ / B.Trig ^ social democrat, lacto-vegetarian 'v-v'speaking only for myself -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi, A friend of mine told me they were diagnosed with Grave's disease and there were two options; prescription drugs or removal of the thyroid gland. The symptoms are awful, sounds like an auto immune attack. Does anyone have information on this disease that might be of help? Thank you, Jean -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
