Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Good Morning: Okay just got your message. I will be in Shrewsbury, PA on Friday around 9:30 - 10:00 AM (yes I drive over an hour to my vet because he is good) to take a few animals to the vet. That is close to the PA - Maryland border on 83 N. Don't know where you live? If close you could meet me there, if not.. I will wait then to hear how your beautiful girl is on the 12th. Good luck. She was lucky to find a good mom like you to take care of her. Weather here was awful. Glad we decided not to venture out on Monday. We didn't have any damage, just a little water. One daughter still without electric, another got water - another I don't know?? We were certainly more fortunate than most. If you ever get a chance, send me a picture of your lady. Prayers for her recovery, Bernadette - Original Message - From: oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 3:04 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Bernadette, I am going to wait until the vet / dentist see Fancy on February 12th. I will definitely get back to you. Thanks much. I am trying, also, to learn more about side effects. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:28:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bernade...@pa.net writes: no charge - Original Message - From: oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Bernadette, what would the cost be for a few gallons, and how long would it last, administered to the one mare? Thanks very much. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:23:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bernade...@pa.net writes: I live in Mechanicsburg, PA - about a hour away from the Maryland state line. I could make you a few gallons and we could meet. Bernadette - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:17 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth I'm in western Kentucky -- to far away to help. But we may have list members near you. MA -- From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth We're in Bear, Delaware - Near PA and MD lines. Where are you? In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:03:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: JoAnne -- where do you live? Perhaps one of us live close enough to *sell* you some CS to tide you over until you can get your generator and get set up. I don't think you're understanding the hundreds of dollars that you'll be spending per week, just to treat even one horse. Because we're talking gallons here -- and for an extended period of time. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:49:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth MaryAnn, I will have to buy some, initially, if just for this one horse. And I will certainly look into the home made kind, as well. . the unit you described. JoAnne PS .. I feel like I'm on my way to becoming a Homesteader :) LOL In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A..M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Purchasing Colloidal Silver is extraordinarily expensive -- commonly running thirty or so dollars for 8 oz. It just isn't practical to buy it for treating horses
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Dear JoAnne, You wrote: I am trying, also, to learn more about side effects. Before you abandon the field in confusion, please hear the answer to your question. Are side effects possible from silver products? Yes. One possible side effect is common to any treatment that can kill germs; the Jarisch Herxheimer reaction. Take somebody who's really sick, give them some treatment that kills a lot of germs really fast, the toxins from those dead germs get dumped into their system all at once and can kill them. That's how the doctors involved in the discovery of 'Herx' effect figured out what was happening -- they were accidentally killing off their syphilis patients using some of the first effective antibiotic treatments. Learning from their experience, we now know to start slow, ramp up the dose until symptoms just start, and manage them by modulating intake. Symptoms are usually described as flu-like, and are seldom serious. If you talk to people who've been fighting Lyme disease, you'll discover they rate the success of a treatment modality by whether they get a herx or not. They see it as a sign of progress. Obviously, in a veterinary context, you'll have to watch for signs of distress, monitor temperature and other vitals, etc., just as you do with any other treatment. The other main side effect, which is being discussed right now, is argyria. Argyria is a blue to grey discoloration of the skin or other organs caused by silver particles becoming trapped in the tissues. Upon exposure to sunlight, the color 'develops' much like it does in photographic film processes. The really celebrated cases, Rosemary Jacobs, the senate candidate from Montana a few year back, last year's blue man... all of these have in common using high concentration silver preparations, particularly featuring silver salts of one form or another. In Rosemary's case, it was very potent prescription nose drops she got back in the 1950's. The other two made their own CS using horrible methods taken to an extreme... Basically, use tap water or added salt to speed up the reaction, brew 'til you have a container full of murky gunk, and drink a bunch every day for a year or three. Commercial products have caused a number of cases; 'WaterOZ' which turned out to be high concentration silver citrate, I believe, and various mild silver protein preparations are on the list. The stuff most of us make is less than 20 ppm and contains silver ions and particles, water and, at most, negligible amounts of anything else. In order to consume enough total silver to get in the range of what is considered necessary to cause argyria would require a person to consume tens of gallons. You would also need to consume it fast enough to swamp the body's elimination channels in order for that amount to actually be retained. Here are some example numbers: Taking a pint per day would have you consuming more than 45 gallons in a year. At 20 ppm, that would be a bit over 3 and a half grams of silver. If all were retained, that might be enough to start you down the road to argyria. You'd only take anywhere near that much if you were fighting something pretty serious... Dave's case clearly falls in this general category. Taking a pint or two per day for a few days or weeks, isn't going to be enough. A swallow every other day is not going to do it either. If you decide to take substantial amounts for an extended period, supplemental selenium is a good idea to replenish the eliminative channels so your body can keep ahead of it. There are a number of reports of successful reversals of argyria using carefully designed aggressive supplement regimens, plus progress being reported on a laser-based treatment for directly reducing or eliminating the pigmentation in the skin. So there is even hope that wasn't there a few years ago. Now, JoAnne, you're patient is your mare. Is it safe to give her CS? At least one person here has said they've done it with good effect and no problems. That's probably as specific an answer as you're going to be able to find. Most of what we have to go on is direct experience of that sort, given that none of us have the money to sponsor extensive studies, and the people that do don't want the competition from something as cheap and easy as silver. For people, of course a cosmetically significant condition like argyria is a serious matter, even though it is not otherwise health- threatening. The disfigurement can have severe repercussions on quality of life, self esteem, employment, relationships... In your case, even in the worst case of severe argyria, however unlikely, you'll have to ask yourself if it would be an acceptable consequence if it helped you save your horse's life. Silver is a useful tool. Like any other, there are risks to go along with the strengths. As with everything we do with alternative health and medicine, it's a do-it-yourself project. We are
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Dan wrote: Are you saying that one of your horses lost electricity, one got water, and one you don't know?... Now Dan, behave yourself! LOL Thanks for offering to help, Bernadette. JoAnne has assured me she'll let us all know how things turn out. Be well, Mike D. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Bernadette bernade...@pa.net wrote: Weather here was awful. Glad we decided not to venture out on Monday. We didn't have any damage, just a little water. One daughter still without electric, another got water - another I don't know?? We were certainly more fortunate than most. If you ever get a chance, send me a picture of your lady. Prayers for her recovery, Bernadette [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Are you saying that one of your horses lost electricity, one got water, and one you don't know?... Dan On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Bernadette bernade...@pa.net wrote: Good Morning: Okay just got your message. I will be in Shrewsbury, PA on Friday around 9:30 - 10:00 AM (yes I drive over an hour to my vet because he is good) to take a few animals to the vet. That is close to the PA - Maryland border on 83 N. Don't know where you live? If close you could meet me there, if not.. I will wait then to hear how your beautiful girl is on the 12th. Good luck. She was lucky to find a good mom like you to take care of her. Weather here was awful. Glad we decided not to venture out on Monday. We didn't have any damage, just a little water. One daughter still without electric, another got water - another I don't know?? We were certainly more fortunate than most. If you ever get a chance, send me a picture of your lady. Prayers for her recovery, Bernadette - Original Message - From: oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 3:04 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Bernadette, I am going to wait until the vet / dentist see Fancy on February 12th. I will definitely get back to you. Thanks much. I am trying, also, to learn more about side effects. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:28:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bernade...@pa.net writes: no charge - Original Message - From: oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Bernadette, what would the cost be for a few gallons, and how long would it last, administered to the one mare? Thanks very much. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:23:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bernade...@pa.net writes: I live in Mechanicsburg, PA - about a hour away from the Maryland state line. I could make you a few gallons and we could meet. Bernadette - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:17 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth I'm in western Kentucky -- to far away to help. But we may have list members near you. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth We're in Bear, Delaware - Near PA and MD lines. Where are you? In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:03:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: JoAnne -- where do you live? Perhaps one of us live close enough to *sell* you some CS to tide you over until you can get your generator and get set up. I don't think you're understanding the hundreds of dollars that you'll be spending per week, just to treat even one horse. Because we're talking gallons here -- and for an extended period of time. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:49:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth MaryAnn, I will have to buy some, initially, if just for this one horse. And I will certainly look into the home made kind, as well. . the unit you described. JoAnne PS .. I feel like I'm on my way to becoming a Homesteader :) LOL In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A..M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Purchasing Colloidal Silver is extraordinarily expensive -- commonly running thirty or so dollars for 8 oz. It just isn't practical to buy it for treating horses -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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and Mike, I'm familiar with Herx. We lost a mare who was under going treatment for EPM - Equine Protozoal Myeloencephalitis-- and also received all shots and a dewormer - in one fateful day and lost all neurological reflexes, and had to be put down. Yep ... I'm not into a lot of side effects, on an already compromised horse. __ JoAnne E. In a message dated 1/26/2010 3:19:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mdev...@eskimo.com writes: Take somebody who's really sick, give them some treatment that kills a lot of germs really fast, the toxins from those dead germs get dumped into their system all at once and can kill them. That's how the doctors involved in the discovery of 'Herx' effect figured out what was happening -- they
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Hi JoAnne. Yes, Unfortunately Herx applies across the board, medical or altmed. If your horse is a hyped up there are two things I know of to calm. One is use of an ordinary Hulda Clark Zapper with electrodes placed across chest and/or neck. ( repeat reports from a lady who was working with her daughters distressed old race horse and tramping , Reiki alone hadn't seemed to help much.) The other is use of magnesium sublingual. For humans, a few drops of saturated solution of mag sulphate or mag chloride a few times a day. I have just recently read this on one of these boards and tried it once myself. I did a few grains of mag chloride under my tongue until they dissolved. bitter but not tooo bad; that dissolved within minutes and nothing happened. :-0 It is maybe worth a search. Don't know if is safe for horse (or humans) OK, Tony On 26 Jan 2010 at 15:29, oasisgr...@aol.com wrote about : Subject : Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas and Mike, I'm familiar with Herx. We lost a mare who was under going treatment for EPM - Equine Protozoal Myeloencephalitis-- and also received all shots and a dewormer - in one fateful day and lost all neurological reflexes, and had to be put down. Yep ... I'm not into a lot of side effects, on an already compromised horse. __ JoAnne E. In a message dated 1/26/2010 3:19:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mdev...@eskimo.com writes: Take somebody who's really sick, give them some treatment that kills a lot of germs really fast, the toxins from those dead germs get dumped into their system all at once and can kill them. That's how the doctors involved in the discovery of 'Herx' effect figured out what was happening -- they -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Bernadette, I am going to wait until the vet / dentist see Fancy on February 12th. I will definitely get back to you. Thanks much. I am trying, also, to learn more about side effects. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:28:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bernade...@pa.net writes: no charge - Original Message - From: _oasisgr...@aol.com_ (mailto:oasisgr...@aol.com) To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Bernadette, what would the cost be for a few gallons, and how long would it last, administered to the one mare? Thanks very much. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:23:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _bernade...@pa.net_ (mailto:bernade...@pa.net) writes: I live in Mechanicsburg, PA - about a hour away from the Maryland state line. I could make you a few gallons and we could meet. Bernadette - Original Message - From: _MaryAnn Helland_ (mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net) To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:17 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth I'm in western Kentucky -- to far away to help. But we may have list members near you. MA From: _oasisgr...@aol.com_ (mailto:oasisgr...@aol.com) _oasisgr...@aol.com_ (mailto:oasisgr...@aol.com) To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth We're in Bear, Delaware - Near PA and MD lines. Where are you? In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:03:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: JoAnne -- where do you live? Perhaps one of us live close enough to *sell* you some CS to tide you over until you can get your generator and get set up. I don't think you're understanding the hundreds of dollars that you'll be spending per week, just to treat even one horse. Because we're talking gallons here -- and for an extended period of time. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:49:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth MaryAnn, I will have to buy some, initially, if just for this one horse. And I will certainly look into the home made kind, as well. . the unit you described. JoAnne PS .. I feel like I'm on my way to becoming a Homesteader :) LOL In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A..M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Purchasing Colloidal Silver is extraordinarily expensive -- commonly running thirty or so dollars for 8 oz. It just isn't practical to buy it for treating horses
CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Hi, all, Dentist could not get into her mouth, and no way will she take a bit. She found melanomas in the mouth, and I cried. What exactly is the protocol for treatment, and please also disclose side effects to watch for, contraindications, and so on. Much Thanks, JoAnne Ernsberger PS, I am very interested in strengthening her immune system, as she is a recovered founder girl.
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Research black salves, external and internal. Cansema is one. Centreforce black salve in Queensland, Australia - this works, personal experience. Apply, wait ten days or so, keeping as clean as possible with CS, and it should fall out. Mouth awkward, I don't know how you could keep it from being chomped and broken before it is out. But better exiting than staying in. Rowena oasisgr...@aol.com wrote: Hi, all, Dentist could not get into her mouth, and no way will she take a bit.She found melanomas in the mouth, and I cried. What exactly is the protocol for treatment, and please also disclose side effects to watch for, contraindications, and so on. Much Thanks, JoAnne Ernsberger PS, I am very interested in strengthening her immune system, as she is a recovered founder girl. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Rowena, It's amazing - we never KNEW she even had them. We thought she just didn't like a bit. You can't see them, and she eats wonderfully well. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 10:37:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, new...@internode.on.net writes: Mouth awkward, I don't know how you could keep it from being chomped and broken before it is out. But better exiting than staying in
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Rowena, also, she won't let us get INSIDE that mouth, so I dont' think salves will do the trick. In a message dated 1/22/2010 10:37:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, new...@internode.on.net writes: Mouth awkward, I don't know how you could keep it from being chomped and broken before it is out. But better exiting than staying in
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JoAnne..keep us posted on how she doe, signed Huge animal lover..Deb From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:38:54 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Rowena, It's amazing - we never KNEW she even had them. We thought she just didn't like a bit. You can't see them, and she eats wonderfully well. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 10:37:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, new...@internode.on.net writes: Mouth awkward, I don't know how you could keep it from being chomped and broken before it is out. But better exiting than staying in
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth - Black Salve Experience
http://www.blacksalveinfo.com/blog/index.html http://blacksalveinfo.com/blog/2007/03/internal-black-salve.html http://www.blacksalveinfo.com/internalbs.htm www.cancersalves.com Ingrid Naiman's book, CANCER SALVES. PDQ Herbal. http://www.pdqherbals.com/ http://behealed.biz/2701.html http://www.altcancer.com/index.htm Treating Ca with Black Salve or Chickweed: When I was away in the city recently, I was given a lift a few times by a lady I shall call Kate. In conversation she mentioned a friend who had breast cancer, but who had wasted precious time being treated by a natural guy who turned out to be a charlatan. I asked whether this lady had tried herbs, or whether it might be worth researching black salve. Oh, Black Salve, said Kate, in a meaningful tone of voice. Yes, I said. Some women have even treated their own breast cancer with it. I did, said Kate. What? I did. It turned out that Kate had spent a lot of time in the sun on a boat in New Zealand in her youth, and in recent years suffered skin cancers on her face - basal cell, squamous cell, and even melanoma. She showed me the scars. The melanoma scar was on her neck, under the chin near her ear. She pointed to a scar on her temple. This one started bleeding, she said, and I ended up having to go to hospital. The roots were in the temporal artery. They kept asking me what I had been doing, but I didn't tell them. I just said I was under the care of a dermatologist. The breast cancer she treated just a few months ago, in March of this year (2009). She applied the black salve, a ring formed, and the cancer started to come out. She just applied it topically; she didn't do anything to get it to the lump. And yes, it was painful. While this was happening she fell and broke her leg in three places (she was still hobbling with a stick). The breast cancer was more painful than that. One day it came out, in all its tentacled glory, and she said it was moving even though it was out of her. I didn't have time to ask many questions, as we got to our destination, so I don't know whether the cancer pulsated or moved in some other way, but I hope to be able to ask her later on. I did ask if she minded me sharing this information. She was willing. She said that in future she wouldn't use black salve on the face because of the big scar it leaves, but she would use chick weed. (Jethro Kloss in Back to Eden says it is one of the best remedies for external application to ... skin diseases, tumors, cancer, and all kinds of wounds. http://middlepath.com.au/plant/Chickweed_Stellaria-media_Caryophyllaceae.php also lists chickweed as being used in treating cancer.) Here in Australia, however, one has to wait until winter before it grows. She says the action is quite different with the chickweed - I think she said it kind of oozes away (and stinks). She originally heard of black salve through someone who ordered it from America to treat cancer in a dog. She was able to source it locally, though that person no longer makes it. She said that prior to treating her breast cancer the armpit on the left side was always smelly. After the cancer came out it stopped being smelly. As if all that wasn't enough, she'd also had ovarian cancer. She'd had certain symptoms for some time, but the doctors didn't come up with anything. Then one day she saw a TV program, where women were told that if they had certain symptoms they should ask their doctor whether it might be ovarian cancer. She did so, and was given an ultrasound. She did have ovarian cancer. She told the doctor she only wanted the lump taken away, not any lymph glands, and didn't want radiation, chemo, or blood transfusion. The surgeon was very unpleasant, but the anaesthetist told her, I'm the person who keeps you alive, and I guarantee you won't be given anything you don't want. The lump was taken away. She found later that she had pain in three places on the same side. She applied the black salve to those places, and in time the pain went away. I can't remember whether she said there was any ooze. Later, she told a naturopath about it, and was told that those three places corresponded to the site of lymph glands. What a woman! When she visited her sister recently, her sister saw another skin cancer on her back near her spine. Black salve was applied, but it took so long to come away she wondered what was going on. Eventually it did come away, but with very long roots. She believes it had wound round her spine and that this was why it took so long. On that visit, she helped her sister treat a breast cancer the same way. So you see why I favour black salve. Regards Rowena oasisgr...@aol.com wrote: Hi, all, Dentist could not get into her mouth, and no way will she take a bit.She found melanomas in the mouth, and I cried. What exactly is the protocol for treatment, and please also disclose side effects to watch for, contraindications, and so on.
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth - Black Salve Experience
I appreciate this information, but I do not know if the melanomas are benign or malignant. Vet is calling today. Thanks so much. Will keep in touch with list. In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:03:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, new...@internode.on.net writes: http://www.blacksalveinfo.com/blog/index.html http://blacksalveinfo.com/blog/2007/03/internal-black-salve.html http://www.blacksalveinfo.com/internalbs.htm www.cancersalves.com
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
oasisgr...@aol.com wrote: Hi, all, Dentist could not get into her mouth, and no way will she take a bit. She found melanomas in the mouth, and I cried. What exactly is the protocol for treatment, and please also disclose side effects to watch for, contraindications, and so on. Much Thanks, JoAnne Ernsberger PS, I am very interested in strengthening her immune system, as she is a recovered founder girl. I highly suggest joining this group. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Oleandersoup_for_Pets/ They give a lot of alternatives for cancer. Cyndi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Hi, Cyndi, It is not cancer - they're benign melanomas, as much as we can tell. Vet is coming to examine and sedate her for dental floating. she came to us this way in may 2009, when I rescued her. She is doing well, in recovery for founder, is rideable, etc, and feet are growing out nicely - she is on a strict diet plan by Dr. Eleanor Kellon, a nutritionist and a natural trimmer are all caring for her :) i will post to let anyone know the progresssion. You can't even see them, in the mouth, she just wouldn't take a bit or the float files. . . Thanks very much. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:08:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cyndia...@earthlink.net writes: ://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Oleandersoup_for_Pets/ They give a lot of alternatives for cancer.
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
I am specifically at this point, seeking more information about Colloidal Silver. In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:08:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cyndia...@earthlink.net writes: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Oleandersoup_for_Pets/ They give a lot of alternatives for cancer.
CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth - Black Salve Experience
http://www.blacksalveinfo.com/blog/index.html http://blacksalveinfo.com/blog/2007/03/internal-black-salve.html http://www.blacksalveinfo.com/internalbs.htm www.cancersalves.com Ingrid Naiman's book, CANCER SALVES. PDQ Herbal. http://www.pdqherbals.com/ http://behealed.biz/2701.html http://www.altcancer.com/index.htm Treating Ca with Black Salve or with Chickweed: When I was away in the city recently, I was given a lift a few times by a lady I shall call Kate. In conversation she mentioned a friend who had breast cancer, but who had wasted precious time being treated by a natural guy who turned out to be a charlatan. I asked whether this lady had tried herbs, or whether it might be worth researching black salve. Oh, Black Salve, said Kate, in a meaningful tone of voice. Yes, I said. Some women have even treated their own breast cancer with it. I did, said Kate. What? I did. It turned out that Kate had spent a lot of time in the sun on a boat in New Zealand in her youth, and in recent years suffered skin cancers on her face - basal cell, squamous cell, and even melanoma. She showed me the scars. The melanoma scar was on her neck, under the chin near her ear. She pointed to a scar on her temple. This one started bleeding, she said, and I ended up having to go to hospital. The roots were in the temporal artery. They kept asking me what I had been doing, but I didn't tell them. I just said I was under the care of a dermatologist. The breast cancer she treated just a few months ago, in March of this year (2009). She applied the black salve, a ring formed, and the cancer started to come out. She just applied it topically; she didn't do anything to get it to the lump. And yes, it was painful. While this was happening she fell and broke her leg in three places (she was still hobbling with a stick). The breast cancer was more painful than that. One day it came out, in all its tentacled glory, and she said it was moving even though it was out of her. I didn't have time to ask many questions, as we got to our destination, so I don't know whether the cancer pulsated or moved in some other way, but I hope to be able to ask her later on. I did ask if she minded me sharing this information. She was willing. She said that in future she wouldn't use black salve on the face because of the big scar it leaves, but she would use chick weed. (Jethro Kloss in Back to Eden says it is one of the best remedies for external application to ... skin diseases, tumors, cancer, and all kinds of wounds. http://middlepath.com.au/plant/Chickweed_Stellaria-media_Caryophyllaceae.php also lists chickweed as being used in treating cancer.) Here in Australia, however, one has to wait until winter before it grows. She says the action is quite different with the chickweed - I think she said it kind of oozes away (and stinks). She originally heard of black salve through someone who ordered it from America to treat cancer in a dog. She was able to source it locally, though that person no longer makes it. She said that prior to treating her breast cancer the armpit on the left side was always smelly. After the cancer came out it stopped being smelly. As if all that wasn't enough, she'd also had ovarian cancer. She'd had certain symptoms for some time, but the doctors didn't come up with anything. Then one day she saw a TV program, where women were told that if they had certain symptoms they should ask their doctor whether it might be ovarian cancer. She did so, and was given an ultrasound. She did have ovarian cancer. She told the doctor she only wanted the lump taken away, not any lymph glands, and didn't want radiation, chemo, or blood transfusion. The surgeon was very unpleasant, but the anaesthetist told her, I'm the person who keeps you alive, and I guarantee you won't be given anything you don't want. The lump was taken away. She found later that she had pain in three places on the same side. She applied the black salve to those places, and in time the pain went away. I can't remember whether she said there was any ooze. Later, she told a naturopath about it, and was told that those three places corresponded to the site of lymph glands. What a woman! When she visited her sister recently, her sister saw another skin cancer on her back near her spine. Black salve was applied, but it took so long to come away she wondered what was going on. Eventually it did come away, but with very long roots. She believes it had wound round her spine and that this was why it took so long. On that visit, she helped her sister treat a breast cancer the same way. So you see why I favour black salve. Regards Rowena oasisgr...@aol.com wrote: Hi, all, Dentist could not get into her mouth, and no way will she take a bit.She found melanomas in the mouth, and I cried. What exactly is the protocol for treatment, and please also disclose side effects to watch for, contraindications, and so
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Try giving her Colloidal Silver to drink in one bucket, and make sure she also has plenty of good water to drink in another, watch to see which one she goes for and follow her lead There are many horse sites on line who have been using CS for years on their race horses and other stock as well. Take good care and give your horse some positive energy for healing as well. Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Thank you very much ... do you have a recommendation for purchase? What kind to get? In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:27:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, oha...@juno.com writes: Try giving her Colloidal Silver to drink in one bucket, and make sure she also has plenty of good water to drink in another, watch to see which one she goes for and follow her lead There are many horse sites on line who have been using CS for years on their race horses and other stock as well. Take good care and give your horse some positive energy for healing as well. Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Hi JoAnne -- I see you made your way here!! :-) Welcome. Purchasing Colloidal Silver is extraordinarily expensive -- commonly running thirty or so dollars for 8 oz. It just isn't practical to buy it for treating horses. I would venture to guess that 99.9% of the people on this list make their own -- a very simple thing to do -- and once you have purchased your generator (a small counter-top device), your only other expense would be the price of a gallon of distilled water as needed. There are several good quality CS generators on the market. Mine is a Colloid Master from Synergenesis (www.wishgranted.com). Also, one of our list members makes and sells them -- Ode, are you here? Other list members may make other suggestions for generators they've been happy with. You can't go wrong with any of them. If you have any other questions, just ask -- it's what we're here for! (mostly) ;-) Mary Ann From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:31:56 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Thank you very much do you have a recommendation for purchase? What kind to get? In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:27:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, oha...@juno.com writes: Try giving her Colloidal Silver to drink in one bucket, and make sure she also has plenty of good water to drink in another, watch to see which one she goes for and follow her lead There are many horse sites on line who have been using CS for years on their race horses and other stock as well. Take good care and give your horse some positive energy for healing as well. Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-l...@eskimo..com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
MaryAnn, I will have to buy some, initially, if just for this one horse. And I will certainly look into the home made kind, as well. . the unit you described. JoAnne PS .. I feel like I'm on my way to becoming a Homesteader :)LOL In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Purchasing Colloidal Silver is extraordinarily expensive -- commonly running thirty or so dollars for 8 oz. It just isn't practical to buy it for treating horses
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oasisgr...@aol.com wrote: I am specifically at this point, seeking more information about Colloidal Silver. Then I still suggest that group. Colloidal silver has been known to shrink melanomas and this is discussed on that group often. Cyndi In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:08:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cyndia...@earthlink.net writes: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Oleandersoup_for_Pets/ They give a lot of alternatives for cancer. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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JoAnne -- where do you live? Perhaps one of us live close enough to *sell* you some CS to tide you over until you can get your generator and get set up. I don't think you're understanding the hundreds of dollars that you'll be spending per week, just to treat even one horse. Because we're talking gallons here -- and for an extended period of time. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:49:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth MaryAnn, I will have to buy some, initially, if just for this one horse. And I will certainly look into the home made kind, as well. . the unit you described. JoAnne PS .. I feel like I'm on my way to becoming a Homesteader :) LOL In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Purchasing Colloidal Silver is extraordinarily expensive -- commonly running thirty or so dollars for 8 oz. It just isn't practical to buy it for treating horses
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Is that right Cyndi? I'm a member on that list, and never saw any discussions on that topic. But I did stop receiving automatic emails from them sometime back -- perhaps I need to go and read through the archives. Thanks for the recommendation. MA From: cyndiann cyndia...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:51:38 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth oasisgr...@aol.com wrote: I am specifically at this point, seeking more information about Colloidal Silver. Then I still suggest that group. Colloidal silver has been known to shrink melanomas and this is discussed on that group often. Cyndi In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:08:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cyndia...@earthlink.net writes: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Oleandersoup_for_Pets/ They give a lot of alternatives for cancer. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Which one exactly the Universal or the AC?any difference besides Price? In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Mine is a Colloid Master from Synergenesis (_www.wishgranted.com_ (http://www.wishgranted.com/) ). Also, one of our list
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We're in Bear, Delaware - Near PA and MD lines. Where are you? In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:03:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: JoAnne -- where do you live? Perhaps one of us live close enough to *sell* you some CS to tide you over until you can get your generator and get set up. I don't think you're understanding the hundreds of dollars that you'll be spending per week, just to treat even one horse. Because we're talking gallons here -- and for an extended period of time. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:49:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth MaryAnn, I will have to buy some, initially, if just for this one horse. And I will certainly look into the home made kind, as well. . the unit you described. JoAnne PS .. I feel like I'm on my way to becoming a Homesteader :)LOL In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Purchasing Colloidal Silver is extraordinarily expensive -- commonly running thirty or so dollars for 8 oz. It just isn't practical to buy it for treating horses
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
oasisgr...@aol.com wrote: Thank you very much ... do you have a recommendation for purchase? What kind to get? http://www.utopiasilver.com/new-customers/ They have a deal where you buy one, get one free for first time customers and it is a very highly rated cs as well. Cyndi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Mine is the AC. Can't speak to the other, because I've never seen/used one. Mine is ten years old, and has had almost daily use for that time. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:07:30 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Which one exactly the Universal or the AC? any difference besides Price? In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Mine is a Colloid Master from Synergenesis (www.wishgranted.com). Also, one of our list
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I'm in western Kentucky -- to far away to help. But we may have list members near you. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth We're in Bear, Delaware - Near PA and MD lines. Where are you? In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:03:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: JoAnne -- where do you live? Perhaps one of us live close enough to *sell* you some CS to tide you over until you can get your generator and get set up. I don't think you're understanding the hundreds of dollars that you'll be spending per week, just to treat even one horse. Because we're talking gallons here -- and for an extended period of time. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:49:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth MaryAnn, I will have to buy some, initially, if just for this one horse. And I will certainly look into the home made kind, as well. . the unit you described. JoAnne PS .. I feel like I'm on my way to becoming a Homesteader :) LOL In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Purchasing Colloidal Silver is extraordinarily expensive -- commonly running thirty or so dollars for 8 oz. It just isn't practical to buy it for treating horses
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Is there a way to get the locations?I think I'll just have to buy some nearby, here, and then purchase the unit --- earlier this year, I got a hay probe, too, so by the end of Next year, I'll likely have a warehouse of stuff :) J In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:17:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: I'm in western Kentucky -- to far away to help. But we may have list members near you. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth We're in Bear, Delaware - Near PA and MD lines. Where are you? In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:03:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: JoAnne -- where do you live? Perhaps one of us live close enough to *sell* you some CS to tide you over until you can get your generator and get set up. I don't think you're understanding the hundreds of dollars that you'll be spending per week, just to treat even one horse. Because we're talking gallons here -- and for an extended period of time. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:49:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth MaryAnn, I will have to buy some, initially, if just for this one horse. And I will certainly look into the home made kind, as well. . the unit you described. JoAnne PS .. I feel like I'm on my way to becoming a Homesteader :) LOL In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A..M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Purchasing Colloidal Silver is extraordinarily expensive -- commonly running thirty or so dollars for 8 oz. It just isn't practical to buy it for treating horses
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Awesome. I feel so encouraged, already. Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks ~ JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:17:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Mine is the AC. Can't speak to the other, because I've never seen/used one. Mine is ten years old, and has had almost daily use for that time. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:07:30 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Which one exactly the Universal or the AC?any difference besides Price? In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Mine is a Colloid Master from Synergenesis (_www.wishgranted.com_ (http://www.wishgranted.com/) ). Also, one of our list
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I live in Mechanicsburg, PA - about a hour away from the Maryland state line. I could make you a few gallons and we could meet. Bernadette - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:17 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth I'm in western Kentucky -- to far away to help. But we may have list members near you. MA -- From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth We're in Bear, Delaware - Near PA and MD lines. Where are you? In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:03:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: JoAnne -- where do you live? Perhaps one of us live close enough to *sell* you some CS to tide you over until you can get your generator and get set up. I don't think you're understanding the hundreds of dollars that you'll be spending per week, just to treat even one horse. Because we're talking gallons here -- and for an extended period of time. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:49:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth MaryAnn, I will have to buy some, initially, if just for this one horse. And I will certainly look into the home made kind, as well. . the unit you described. JoAnne PS .. I feel like I'm on my way to becoming a Homesteader :) LOL In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A..M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Purchasing Colloidal Silver is extraordinarily expensive -- commonly running thirty or so dollars for 8 oz. It just isn't practical to buy it for treating horses
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Bernadette, what would the cost be for a few gallons, and how long would it last, administered to the one mare? Thanks very much. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:23:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bernade...@pa.net writes: I live in Mechanicsburg, PA - about a hour away from the Maryland state line. I could make you a few gallons and we could meet. Bernadette - Original Message - From: _MaryAnn Helland_ (mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net) To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:17 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth I'm in western Kentucky -- to far away to help. But we may have list members near you. MA From: _oasisgr...@aol.com_ (mailto:oasisgr...@aol.com) _oasisgr...@aol.com_ (mailto:oasisgr...@aol.com) To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth We're in Bear, Delaware - Near PA and MD lines. Where are you? In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:03:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: JoAnne -- where do you live? Perhaps one of us live close enough to *sell* you some CS to tide you over until you can get your generator and get set up. I don't think you're understanding the hundreds of dollars that you'll be spending per week, just to treat even one horse. Because we're talking gallons here -- and for an extended period of time. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:49:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth MaryAnn, I will have to buy some, initially, if just for this one horse. And I will certainly look into the home made kind, as well. . the unit you described. JoAnne PS .. I feel like I'm on my way to becoming a Homesteader :) LOL In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A..M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Purchasing Colloidal Silver is extraordinarily expensive -- commonly running thirty or so dollars for 8 oz. It just isn't practical to buy it for treating horses
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Excellent! You're welcome. :-D MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:19:51 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Awesome. I feel so encouraged, already. Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks ~ JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:17:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Mine is the AC. Can't speak to the other, because I've never seen/used one. Mine is ten years old, and has had almost daily use for that time. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:07:30 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Which one exactly the Universal or the AC? any difference besides Price? In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Mine is a Colloid Master from Synergenesis (www.wishgranted.com). Also, one of our list
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no charge - Original Message - From: oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Bernadette, what would the cost be for a few gallons, and how long would it last, administered to the one mare? Thanks very much. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:23:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bernade...@pa.net writes: I live in Mechanicsburg, PA - about a hour away from the Maryland state line. I could make you a few gallons and we could meet. Bernadette - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:17 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth I'm in western Kentucky -- to far away to help. But we may have list members near you. MA -- From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth We're in Bear, Delaware - Near PA and MD lines. Where are you? In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:03:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: JoAnne -- where do you live? Perhaps one of us live close enough to *sell* you some CS to tide you over until you can get your generator and get set up. I don't think you're understanding the hundreds of dollars that you'll be spending per week, just to treat even one horse. Because we're talking gallons here -- and for an extended period of time. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:49:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth MaryAnn, I will have to buy some, initially, if just for this one horse. And I will certainly look into the home made kind, as well. . the unit you described. JoAnne PS .. I feel like I'm on my way to becoming a Homesteader :) LOL In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A..M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Purchasing Colloidal Silver is extraordinarily expensive -- commonly running thirty or so dollars for 8 oz. It just isn't practical to buy it for treating horses
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::: misty - eyed God is Good, God is Great. I will forever Praise Him.Bernadette, I truly am honored and humbled. Thank you so much. This mare has been so favored since arriving at our place. She is blessed. What a testimony for her - I'm so grateful. JoAnne PS ... we need to mapquest a meeting point ... In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:28:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bernade...@pa.net writes: no charge - Original Message - From: _oasisgr...@aol.com_ (mailto:oasisgr...@aol.com) To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Bernadette, what would the cost be for a few gallons, and how long would it last, administered to the one mare? Thanks very much. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:23:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _bernade...@pa.net_ (mailto:bernade...@pa.net) writes: I live in Mechanicsburg, PA - about a hour away from the Maryland state line. I could make you a few gallons and we could meet. Bernadette - Original Message - From: _MaryAnn Helland_ (mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net) To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:17 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth I'm in western Kentucky -- to far away to help. But we may have list members near you. MA From: _oasisgr...@aol.com_ (mailto:oasisgr...@aol.com) _oasisgr...@aol.com_ (mailto:oasisgr...@aol.com) To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth We're in Bear, Delaware - Near PA and MD lines. Where are you? In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:03:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: JoAnne -- where do you live? Perhaps one of us live close enough to *sell* you some CS to tide you over until you can get your generator and get set up. I don't think you're understanding the hundreds of dollars that you'll be spending per week, just to treat even one horse. Because we're talking gallons here -- and for an extended period of time. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:49:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth MaryAnn, I will have to buy some, initially, if just for this one horse. And I will certainly look into the home made kind, as well. . the unit you described. JoAnne PS .. I feel like I'm on my way to becoming a Homesteader :) LOL In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A..M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Purchasing Colloidal Silver is extraordinarily expensive -- commonly running thirty or so dollars for 8 oz. It just isn't practical to buy it for treating horses
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
Bless your heart Bernadette. Thank you so very, very much. The people on this list are awesome. MA From: Bernadette bernade...@pa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:28:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth no charge - Original Message - From: oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Bernadette, what would the cost be for a few gallons, and how long would it last, administered to the one mare? Thanks very much. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:23:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bernade...@pa.net writes: I live in Mechanicsburg, PA - about a hour away from the Maryland state line. I could make you a few gallons and we could meet. Bernadette - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:17 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth I'm in western Kentucky -- to far away to help. But we may have list members near you. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth We're in Bear, Delaware - Near PA and MD lines. Where are you? In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:03:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: JoAnne -- where do you live? Perhaps one of us live close enough to *sell* you some CS to tide you over until you can get your generator and get set up. I don't think you're understanding the hundreds of dollars that you'll be spending per week, just to treat even one horse. Because we're talking gallons here -- and for an extended period of time. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:49:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth MaryAnn, I will have to buy some, initially, if just for this one horse. And I will certainly look into the home made kind, as well. .. the unit you described. JoAnne PS .. I feel like I'm on my way to becoming a Homesteader :) LOL In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A..M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Purchasing Colloidal Silver is extraordinarily expensive -- commonly running thirty or so dollars for 8 oz. It just isn't practical to buy it for treating horses
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yes they are. do both of us a favor and ask the list what PPM we should be making to give your mare? We drink between 6 - 12 PPM - but for your mare I wouldn't know. someone on the list should have an idea so that I will keep brewing until the correct PPM is reached. Bernadette - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Bless your heart Bernadette. Thank you so very, very much. The people on this list are awesome. MA -- From: Bernadette bernade...@pa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:28:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth no charge - Original Message - From: oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Bernadette, what would the cost be for a few gallons, and how long would it last, administered to the one mare? Thanks very much. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:23:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bernade...@pa.net writes: I live in Mechanicsburg, PA - about a hour away from the Maryland state line.. I could make you a few gallons and we could meet. Bernadette - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:17 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth I'm in western Kentucky -- to far away to help. But we may have list members near you.. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth We're in Bear, Delaware - Near PA and MD lines. Where are you? In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:03:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: JoAnne -- where do you live? Perhaps one of us live close enough to *sell* you some CS to tide you over until you can get your generator and get set up. I don't think you're understanding the hundreds of dollars that you'll be spending per week, just to treat even one horse. Because we're talking gallons here -- and for an extended period of time. MA -- From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:49:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth MaryAnn, I will have to buy some, initially, if just for this one horse. And I will certainly look into the home made kind, as well.. . the unit you described. JoAnne PS .. I feel like I'm on my way to becoming a Homesteader :) LOL In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A..M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Purchasing Colloidal Silver is extraordinarily expensive -- commonly running thirty or so dollars for 8 oz. It just isn't practical to buy it for treating horses
CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth - Dosage - PPM's
Advice, anyone? In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:42:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bernade...@pa.net writes: yes they are. do both of us a favor and ask the list what PPM we should be making to give your mare? We drink between 6 - 12 PPM - but for your mare I wouldn't know. someone on the list should have an idea so that I will keep brewing until the correct PPM is reached. Bernadette - Original Message - From: _MaryAnn Helland_ (mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net) To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Bless your heart Bernadette. Thank you so very, very much. The people on this list are awesome. MA From: Bernadette _bernade...@pa.net_ (mailto:bernade...@pa.net) To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:28:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth no charge - Original Message - From: _oasisgr...@aol.com_ (mailto:oasisgr...@aol.com) To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Bernadette, what would the cost be for a few gallons, and how long would it last, administered to the one mare? Thanks very much. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:23:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _bernade...@pa.net_ (mailto:bernade...@pa.net) writes: I live in Mechanicsburg, PA - about a hour away from the Maryland state line.. I could make you a few gallons and we could meet. Bernadette - Original Message - From: _MaryAnn Helland_ (mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net) To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:17 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth I'm in western Kentucky -- to far away to help. But we may have list members near you.. MA From: _oasisgr...@aol.com_ (mailto:oasisgr...@aol.com) _oasisgr...@aol.com_ (mailto:oasisgr...@aol.com) To: _silver-l...@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth We're in Bear, Delaware - Near PA and MD lines. Where are you? In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:03:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: JoAnne -- where do you live? Perhaps one of us live close enough to *sell* you some CS to tide you over until you can get your generator and get set up. I don't think you're understanding the hundreds of dollars that you'll be spending per week, just to treat even one horse. Because we're talking gallons here -- and for an extended period of time. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:49:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth MaryAnn, I will have to buy some, initially, if just for this one horse. And I will certainly look into the home made kind, as well.. . the unit you described. JoAnne PS .. I feel like I'm on my way to becoming a Homesteader :) LOL In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A..M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Purchasing Colloidal Silver is extraordinarily expensive -- commonly running thirty or so dollars for 8 oz. It just isn't practical to buy it for treating horses
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Unless someone has information to the contrary, the ppm level that you're making should be just fine. If I'm wrong about that, I hope someone will speak up. But that's exactly what I'd be using. MA From: Bernadette bernade...@pa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:41:50 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth yes they are. do both of us a favor and ask the list what PPM we should be making to give your mare? We drink between 6 - 12 PPM - but for your mare I wouldn't know. someone on the list should have an idea so that I will keep brewing until the correct PPM is reached. Bernadette - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Bless your heart Bernadette. Thank you so very, very much. The people on this list are awesome. MA From: Bernadette bernade...@pa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:28:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth no charge - Original Message - From: oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Bernadette, what would the cost be for a few gallons, and how long would it last, administered to the one mare? Thanks very much. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:23:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bernade...@pa.net writes: I live in Mechanicsburg, PA - about a hour away from the Maryland state line.. I could make you a few gallons and we could meet. Bernadette - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:17 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth I'm in western Kentucky -- to far away to help. But we may have list members near you.. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth We're in Bear, Delaware - Near PA and MD lines. Where are you? In a message dated 1/22/2010 12:03:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: JoAnne -- where do you live? Perhaps one of us live close enough to *sell* you some CS to tide you over until you can get your generator and get set up. I don't think you're understanding the hundreds of dollars that you'll be spending per week, just to treat even one horse. Because we're talking gallons here -- and for an extended period of time. MA From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:49:07 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth MaryAnn, I will have to buy some, initially, if just for this one horse. And I will certainly look into the home made kind, as well.. . the unit you described. JoAnne PS .. I feel like I'm on my way to becoming a Homesteader :) LOL In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:46:58 A..M. Eastern Standard Time, marmar...@bellsouth.net writes: Purchasing Colloidal Silver is extraordinarily expensive -- commonly running thirty or so dollars for 8 oz. It just isn't practical to buy it for treating horses
Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth
I do hope she will be ok Joanne, such beautiful creatures. dee On 22 Jan 2010, at 16:10, oasisgr...@aol.com wrote: Hi, Cyndi, It is not cancer - they're benign melanomas, as much as we can tell. Vet is coming to examine and sedate her for dental floating. she came to us this way in may 2009, when I rescued her. She is doing well, in recovery for founder, is rideable, etc, and feet are growing out nicely - she is on a strict diet plan by Dr. Eleanor Kellon, a nutritionist and a natural trimmer are all caring for her :) i will post to let anyone know the progresssion. You can't even see them, in the mouth, she just wouldn't take a bit or the float files. . . Thanks very much. JoAnne In a message dated 1/22/2010 11:08:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cyndia...@earthlink.net writes: ://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Oleandersoup_for_Pets/ They give a lot of alternatives for cancer.
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Dee, you know what? They truly are. And I have learned so much from them in the last 40 years of being around them. I'm doing all I can, believe me. In a message dated 1/22/2010 1:08:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, d...@deetroy.org writes: do hope she will be ok Joanne, such beautiful creatures. dee
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The link doesn't work. I had called them re pricing and they never told me they had their generators buy one/get one free. Or was it just on their supplements they sell? Leslie - Original Message - From: cyndiann cyndia...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth oasisgr...@aol.com wrote: Thank you very much ... do you have a recommendation for purchase? What kind to get? http://www.utopiasilver.com/new-customers/ They have a deal where you buy one, get one free for first time customers and it is a very highly rated cs as well. Cyndi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Leslie -- the link worked for me. They're not selling generators BOGO -- it's their silver supplements that are on sale. MA From: leslie leslie1...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 12:51:39 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth The link doesn't work. I had called them re pricing and they never told me they had their generators buy one/get one free. Or was it just on their supplements they sell? Leslie - Original Message - From: cyndiann cyndia...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth oasisgr...@aol.com wrote: Thank you very much ... do you have a recommendation for purchase? What kind to get? http://www.utopiasilver.com/new-customers/ They have a deal where you buy one, get one free for first time customers and it is a very highly rated cs as well. Cyndi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I'm sure you are Joanne, she is lucky to have found you, although I guess *you* think you are the lucky one! I hope it all goes well. dee On 22 Jan 2010, at 18:09, oasisgr...@aol.com wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Humm. My computer is ugh. Sometimes takes 3 to 4 hours to get up and running. Must be that. I'll just put in utopia silver. Thanks, Leslie - Original Message - From: MaryAnn Helland To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:54 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Leslie -- the link worked for me. They're not selling generators BOGO -- it's their silver supplements that are on sale. MA -- From: leslie leslie1...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 12:51:39 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth The link doesn't work. I had called them re pricing and they never told me they had their generators buy one/get one free. Or was it just on their supplements they sell? Leslie - Original Message - From: cyndiann cyndia...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth oasisgr...@aol.com wrote: Thank you very much ... do you have a recommendation for purchase? What kind to get? http://www.utopiasilver.com/new-customers/ They have a deal where you buy one, get one free for first time customers and it is a very highly rated cs as well. Cyndi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi, I'm sorry, but I don't know what you mean ...
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JoAnne -- who and/or what are you referring to? From: oasisgr...@aol.com oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 8:39:06 PM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Hi, I'm sorry, but I don't know what you mean ...
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black salve. - Original Message - From: oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 7:16 AM Subject: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Hi, all, Dentist could not get into her mouth, and no way will she take a bit.She found melanomas in the mouth, and I cried. What exactly is the protocol for treatment, and please also disclose side effects to watch for, contraindications, and so on. Much Thanks, JoAnne Ernsberger PS, I am very interested in strengthening her immune system, as she is a recovered founder girl.
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let her smell the salve. she might know what it is. - Original Message - From: oasisgr...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 7:39 AM Subject: Re: CSMare with Possible Melanomas in Mouth Rowena, also, she won't let us get INSIDE that mouth, so I dont' think salves will do the trick. In a message dated 1/22/2010 10:37:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, new...@internode.on.net writes: Mouth awkward, I don't know how you could keep it from being chomped and broken before it is out. But better exiting than staying in
