Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Distillation leaves ions and particles as a residue in the container. ode At 08:29 AM 9/16/2008 +0900, you wrote: And one step further: why not boil EIS in the oven? If vigorously boiled the steam would carry particles/ions of EIS into all the nooks and crannies of the oven . . . On Monday, Sep 15, 2008, at 14:04 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: Just curious, and not quibbling, but given that this group is devoted to EIS, why not use that? Might it not be less oxidative? Taking things one step further: mightn't sunlight do the job?If one can spray something onto the components, sunlight might also reach them. I have read that 48 hours of sunlight on PET-bottled water renders it fit to drink -- the poor man's last-ditch water purification system. On Saturday, Sep 13, 2008, at 00:05 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote: Kathryn, You should consider Malcolms suggestion about using bleach. It is a great disinfectant and does dissipate leaving no residue. It generally isn't used for electronics because it is an oxidant and can corrode metals but if you dry the microwave in a reasonable time it should be no problem. One approach might be to: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1673 - Release Date: 9/15/2008 6:49 PM
Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Hi Kathryn, Have you tried or considered a solution of food grade H2o2 or a product using it as the main ingredient such as Microban? Peter - Original Message - From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 12:35 PM Subject: Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts Thank you all very much for the great suggestions. I was also wondering how EIS would affect mycotoxins. Not having the equipment, or training, or money to pay the guy who does, I am not sure. Generally speaking, oxidizers do denature them to some degree, depending on which toxin and which oxidizer. Sunlight and heat do seem to work, even on the worst ones, but it takes forever- like 5 years or so in the desert. Bleach does work on some things, to some degree. I used bleach on my basement and everything in it, but then all the porous surfaces had to be sealed before I was ok with it. Now I have heard of ammonia, and I have shown to my own satisfaction that that works. Also ozone works if it is intense enough. The benefit to that one is that it goes everywhere the air goes. Now none of these works at all if there is still an active mold colony around somewhere. I have found that if none of my cleaning techniques are working and I am still reacting, it is usually because there is some active mold growing that has not been removed. The steps I have found that work are: 1. find and remove all mold. 2. clean everything with a mild bleach solution or ammonia. 3. repair surfaces, and seal. It sounds pretty simple, but can get complicated in a hurry from not thinking about all the surfaces that need attention. Not to mention that all the cleaning etc is pretty bad for me too, so I can only do so much at a time, and only on sunny days when the windows can be open. Thanks again, Kathryn On Sep 15, 2008, at 12:04 AM, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: Just curious, and not quibbling, but given that this group is devoted to EIS, why not use that? Might it not be less oxidative? Taking things one step further: mightn't sunlight do the job?If one can spray something onto the components, sunlight might also reach them. I have read that 48 hours of sunlight on PET-bottled water renders it fit to drink -- the poor man's last-ditch water purification system. On Saturday, Sep 13, 2008, at 00:05 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote: Kathryn, You should consider Malcolms suggestion about using bleach. It is a great disinfectant and does dissipate leaving no residue. It generally isn't used for electronics because it is an oxidant and can corrode metals but if you dry the microwave in a reasonable time it should be no problem. One approach might be to: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Jonathan B. Britten wrote: And one step further: why not boil EIS in the oven? If vigorously boiled the steam would carry particles/ions of EIS into all the nooks and crannies of the oven . . . Boiling is distilling, and that leaves all the silver behind in the pan. It would be no different than boiling plain water. If you used an ultrasonic vaporizer, then it would produce a mist with the silver in it. But do you really want to coat everything with silver, including the high voltage wiring in the power section. Seems that could result in a rather explosive catastrophic failure. Marshall On Monday, Sep 15, 2008, at 14:04 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: Just curious, and not quibbling, but given that this group is devoted to EIS, why not use that? Might it not be less oxidative? Taking things one step further: mightn't sunlight do the job?If one can spray something onto the components, sunlight might also reach them. I have read that 48 hours of sunlight on PET-bottled water renders it fit to drink -- the poor man's last-ditch water purification system. On Saturday, Sep 13, 2008, at 00:05 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote: Kathryn, You should consider Malcolms suggestion about using bleach. It is a great disinfectant and does dissipate leaving no residue. It generally isn't used for electronics because it is an oxidant and can corrode metals but if you dry the microwave in a reasonable time it should be no problem. One approach might be to: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Don't know that it would, if one used a wide container and if the boiling were vigorous and the steam rose rapidly. . . in shipboard water distillers sediment rises up and gets into pipes and cruds up the whole evaporative distillation system so badly that periodic descaling is necessary. Thus we know that the steam carries up that which is distilled from the falling pure water. . . On Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008, at 20:08 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote: Distillation leaves ions and particles as a residue in the container. ode At 08:29 AM 9/16/2008 +0900, you wrote: And one step further: why not boil EIS in the oven? If vigorously boiled the steam would carry particles/ions of EIS into all the nooks and crannies of the oven . . . On Monday, Sep 15, 2008, at 14:04 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: Just curious, and not quibbling, but given that this group is devoted to EIS, why not use that? Might it not be less oxidative? Taking things one step further: mightn't sunlight do the job?If one can spray something onto the components, sunlight might also reach them. I have read that 48 hours of sunlight on PET-bottled water renders it fit to drink -- the poor man's last-ditch water purification system. On Saturday, Sep 13, 2008, at 00:05 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote: Kathryn, You should consider Malcolms suggestion about using bleach. It is a great disinfectant and does dissipate leaving no residue. It generally isn't used for electronics because it is an oxidant and can corrode metals but if you dry the microwave in a reasonable time it should be no problem. One approach might be to: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1673 - Release Date: 9/15/2008 6:49 PM
Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Good point about the risk of having silver residue on the wiring, which at the least could cause arcing of current and maybe fire.Better to stick with sunlight, or better yet, take the oven to a professional for servicing, if it's possible. Given that just about everything discussed in this thread carries some risk of someone getting injured, I think I'll sign off on this one -- with apologies all around for having signed on in the first place. This is pretty far off-topic to begin with. A final comment: my reading convinces me that microwaves alter the effect of foods and liquids on the human body, as shown by the research of Y. Omura, M.D., whose neurological kinesiological methods I trust. I got rid of the microwave oven years and years ago. On Wednesday, Sep 17, 2008, at 03:03 Asia/Tokyo, Marshall Dudley wrote: Jonathan B. Britten wrote: And one step further: why not boil EIS in the oven? If vigorously boiled the steam would carry particles/ions of EIS into all the nooks and crannies of the oven . . . Boiling is distilling, and that leaves all the silver behind in the pan. It would be no different than boiling plain water. If you used an ultrasonic vaporizer, then it would produce a mist with the silver in it. But do you really want to coat everything with silver, including the high voltage wiring in the power section. Seems that could result in a rather explosive catastrophic failure. Marshall On Monday, Sep 15, 2008, at 14:04 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: Just curious, and not quibbling, but given that this group is devoted to EIS, why not use that? Might it not be less oxidative? Taking things one step further: mightn't sunlight do the job?If one can spray something onto the components, sunlight might also reach them. I have read that 48 hours of sunlight on PET-bottled water renders it fit to drink -- the poor man's last-ditch water purification system. On Saturday, Sep 13, 2008, at 00:05 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote: Kathryn, You should consider Malcolms suggestion about using bleach. It is a great disinfectant and does dissipate leaving no residue. It generally isn't used for electronics because it is an oxidant and can corrode metals but if you dry the microwave in a reasonable time it should be no problem. One approach might be to: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
. . . as does the steam that falls as rain. Scientists tell us that rain carries pollen, spores, bacteria, viruses, and more. A few years ago I read a rather long and fascinating article about that topic. I'd had no idea at all. Epidemiologists are aware of and concerned with the phenomenon. People who study bioterrorism have given the matter some thought as well -- scary thought. Of course, some of the rain-particle formation may be of airborne bits encased in water vapor high up in the sky, rather than being carried up from evaporation. Quite a lot I don't know about all that, too . . . On Wednesday, Sep 17, 2008, at 12:04 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: Don't know that it would, if one used a wide container and if the boiling were vigorous and the steam rose rapidly. . . in shipboard water distillers sediment rises up and gets into pipes and cruds up the whole evaporative distillation system so badly that periodic descaling is necessary. Thus we know that the steam carries up that which is distilled from the falling pure water. . . On Tuesday, Sep 16, 2008, at 20:08 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote: Distillation leaves ions and particles as a residue in the container. ode At 08:29 AM 9/16/2008 +0900, you wrote: And one step further: why not boil EIS in the oven? If vigorously boiled the steam would carry particles/ions of EIS into all the nooks and crannies of the oven . . . On Monday, Sep 15, 2008, at 14:04 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: Just curious, and not quibbling, but given that this group is devoted to EIS, why not use that? Might it not be less oxidative? Taking things one step further: mightn't sunlight do the job? If one can spray something onto the components, sunlight might also reach them. I have read that 48 hours of sunlight on PET-bottled water renders it fit to drink -- the poor man's last-ditch water purification system. On Saturday, Sep 13, 2008, at 00:05 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote: Kathryn, You should consider Malcolms suggestion about using bleach. It is a great disinfectant and does dissipate leaving no residue. It generally isn't used for electronics because it is an oxidant and can corrode metals but if you dry the microwave in a reasonable time it should be no problem. One approach might be to: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1673 - Release Date: 9/15/2008 6:49 PM
Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Thank you all very much for the great suggestions. I was also wondering how EIS would affect mycotoxins. Not having the equipment, or training, or money to pay the guy who does, I am not sure. Generally speaking, oxidizers do denature them to some degree, depending on which toxin and which oxidizer. Sunlight and heat do seem to work, even on the worst ones, but it takes forever- like 5 years or so in the desert. Bleach does work on some things, to some degree. I used bleach on my basement and everything in it, but then all the porous surfaces had to be sealed before I was ok with it. Now I have heard of ammonia, and I have shown to my own satisfaction that that works. Also ozone works if it is intense enough. The benefit to that one is that it goes everywhere the air goes. Now none of these works at all if there is still an active mold colony around somewhere. I have found that if none of my cleaning techniques are working and I am still reacting, it is usually because there is some active mold growing that has not been removed. The steps I have found that work are: 1. find and remove all mold. 2. clean everything with a mild bleach solution or ammonia. 3. repair surfaces, and seal. It sounds pretty simple, but can get complicated in a hurry from not thinking about all the surfaces that need attention. Not to mention that all the cleaning etc is pretty bad for me too, so I can only do so much at a time, and only on sunny days when the windows can be open. Thanks again, Kathryn On Sep 15, 2008, at 12:04 AM, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: Just curious, and not quibbling, but given that this group is devoted to EIS, why not use that? Might it not be less oxidative? Taking things one step further: mightn't sunlight do the job?If one can spray something onto the components, sunlight might also reach them. I have read that 48 hours of sunlight on PET-bottled water renders it fit to drink -- the poor man's last-ditch water purification system. On Saturday, Sep 13, 2008, at 00:05 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote: Kathryn, You should consider Malcolms suggestion about using bleach. It is a great disinfectant and does dissipate leaving no residue. It generally isn't used for electronics because it is an oxidant and can corrode metals but if you dry the microwave in a reasonable time it should be no problem. One approach might be to: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Actually, how about cleaning as best you can, blowing out everything with an air hose (outside), then cover over all holes, but leave one near the top of the machine, and inject ozone into it for 24 to 48 hours. Dan -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 12:04 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts Just curious, and not quibbling, but given that this group is devoted to EIS, why not use that? Might it not be less oxidative? Taking things one step further: mightn't sunlight do the job?If one can spray something onto the components, sunlight might also reach them. I have read that 48 hours of sunlight on PET-bottled water renders it fit to drink -- the poor man's last-ditch water purification system. On Saturday, Sep 13, 2008, at 00:05 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote: Kathryn, You should consider Malcolms suggestion about using bleach. It is a great disinfectant and does dissipate leaving no residue. It generally isn't used for electronics because it is an oxidant and can corrode metals but if you dry the microwave in a reasonable time it should be no problem. One approach might be to: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
And one step further: why not boil EIS in the oven? If vigorously boiled the steam would carry particles/ions of EIS into all the nooks and crannies of the oven . . . On Monday, Sep 15, 2008, at 14:04 Asia/Tokyo, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: Just curious, and not quibbling, but given that this group is devoted to EIS, why not use that? Might it not be less oxidative? Taking things one step further: mightn't sunlight do the job?If one can spray something onto the components, sunlight might also reach them. I have read that 48 hours of sunlight on PET-bottled water renders it fit to drink -- the poor man's last-ditch water purification system. On Saturday, Sep 13, 2008, at 00:05 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote: Kathryn, You should consider Malcolms suggestion about using bleach. It is a great disinfectant and does dissipate leaving no residue. It generally isn't used for electronics because it is an oxidant and can corrode metals but if you dry the microwave in a reasonable time it should be no problem. One approach might be to: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Jon, I may have been getting a little overenthused, but was trying to address multiple forms of contamination: 1)bacteria and fungi, 2)toxic detritus from same, 3)other environmental pollutants such as outgassing from building materials, dust, gaseous and microparticular drift from numerous sources out- or in-doors which are not life forms or the products or remains of same. I agree whole heartedly sunlight is an excellent anti-bacterial, ozone can be a bit tricky since it oxidizes one's lung tissue, UV light can help, but bacteria are notorious for 'hiding' from UV in water purifiers by hitching a ride on tiny particles - even colloids - in the water and I'd suspect they can do so in air. Of course bleach is not much more useful against inanimate particles, other than being an oxidizer, than water. Kathryn seems to have found significant benefit from using ammonia, which may nitrify organic pollutants, dunno, new one on me. g Take care, Malcolm On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 14:04 +0900, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: Just curious, and not quibbling, but given that this group is devoted to EIS, why not use that? Might it not be less oxidative? Taking things one step further: mightn't sunlight do the job?If one can spray something onto the components, sunlight might also reach them. I have read that 48 hours of sunlight on PET-bottled water renders it fit to drink -- the poor man's last-ditch water purification system. On Saturday, Sep 13, 2008, at 00:05 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote: Kathryn, You should consider Malcolms suggestion about using bleach. It is a great disinfectant and does dissipate leaving no residue. It generally isn't used for electronics because it is an oxidant and can corrode metals but if you dry the microwave in a reasonable time it should be no problem. One approach might be to: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Just curious, and not quibbling, but given that this group is devoted to EIS, why not use that? Might it not be less oxidative? Taking things one step further: mightn't sunlight do the job?If one can spray something onto the components, sunlight might also reach them. I have read that 48 hours of sunlight on PET-bottled water renders it fit to drink -- the poor man's last-ditch water purification system. On Saturday, Sep 13, 2008, at 00:05 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote: Kathryn, You should consider Malcolms suggestion about using bleach. It is a great disinfectant and does dissipate leaving no residue. It generally isn't used for electronics because it is an oxidant and can corrode metals but if you dry the microwave in a reasonable time it should be no problem. One approach might be to: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Dear Malcolm, Very good explanation of how Caps regain a charge after being discharge. For that reason I attached clipped leads to the caps after discharging them On the subject of Power supply caps, I recommend some type of resistance rather than say a direct short from an old tool to drain the cap unless you plan on replacing the cap. Using the direct short method can damage either the Caps plates, the di-electric, or both. Regards, Steve Foss
RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Dear Kathryn, Malcolm, and group! Anybody tempted to do *anything* around the guts of a microwave oven needs to take all the cautions about high voltages and keeping yourself out of the circuit *VERY* *SERIOUSLY*, as we don't want to lose any of you. Until you know how and why things are dangerous and how to be safe, it's best to stay out of line powered equipment altogether. Back at one place I used to work, there was a fire-sprinkler flood in one of the labs full of racks of electronic equipment. Most stuff was powered off at the time and breakers protected a lot of the rest, but beyond the few things that were damaged, everything was soaked! They dried it all out by putting batches of instruments through one of the medium sized heat treating ovens at something less than boiling temperature overnight. Once everything was *thoroughly* dry it powered up and functioned again. I don't know if your microwave is small enough to fit into your regular oven, but that'd be one way to make sure it's completely dry inside before you try to power it up again. I've used this trick successfully on cell phones, calculators and digital watches that got wet. Just take out the batteries and either replace them or dry them out by hand. Lastly, you may want to read some of the materials on the alleged dangers of consuming microwaved foods. We use ours a lot less than we used to. Be well, Mike D. Malcolm, True, I may have been lucky but I have also been cautious. I was taught the method by a TV repairman who used on every TV he repaired as a standard practice. BTW, when I said put it in the tub I should have stated that I did not intend it should be a tub filled with water. I was thinking of a shower or pouring water over the microwave to rinse. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
I would have thought that just to turn the microwave on would kill any toxins in it! dee Clayton Family wrote: Dear List, I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way to do it. It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or something. Thanks, Kathryn -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Kathryn, You should consider Malcolms suggestion about using bleach. It is a great disinfectant and does dissipate leaving no residue. It generally isn't used for electronics because it is an oxidant and can corrode metals but if you dry the microwave in a reasonable time it should be no problem. One approach might be to: * Unplug the microwave for as long a time as you can but I wouldn't do less than three days. Longer is better. Anyone who has worked on TVs has probably been surprised by a charge still on the high voltage capacitor. Once burned you don't forget again and you make sure to discharge the capacitor after that. The capacitors are high quality and can hold a charge for a long time. I am concerned that you could shock yourself if you try and discharge the high voltage and you don't know what you are doing. * Vacuume what dust you can from the microwave. If you have a vacumme with an all plastic hose use it. If it has a metal pipe where you hold the hose, wear heavy rubber cleaning gloves. * There is a plastic duct and fan that is used to vent the microwave and it gets pretty dirty and may have a lot of grease. Esp. if anyone makes microwave popcorn. It is usually easy to remove and clean seperately. * Fill a spray bottle filled with diluted bleach. Use plain bleach - no thickeners or added scents. Have it set for a fine mist. Wear heavy rubber gloves in case there is still voltage on the capacitor. It If there is it could possibly arc up through the spray if you are not insulated. * Spray the insides of the microwave several times over a 15 minute period with the bleach solution * n. Avoid spraying the magnetron if you can. * Dry the microwave by placing it in front of a space heater, moving it occasionally to get all parts of the microwave dried. You want warm air on the microwave but not so close as to get thing hot. I would do this for at least 4 hours. Longer is better. * If you are uncomfortable with this approach don't do it. * If someone else in this forum feels that parts of this approach are not safe then don't do it. * Your safety is more important than saving the cost of a new microwave. - Steve N -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:52 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts Dear Kathryn, Malcolm, and group! Anybody tempted to do *anything* around the guts of a microwave oven needs to take all the cautions about high voltages and keeping yourself out of the circuit *VERY* *SERIOUSLY*, as we don't want to lose any of you. Until you know how and why things are dangerous and how to be safe, it's best to stay out of line powered equipment altogether. Back at one place I used to work, there was a fire-sprinkler flood in one of the labs full of racks of electronic equipment. Most stuff was powered off at the time and breakers protected a lot of the rest, but beyond the few things that were damaged, everything was soaked! They dried it all out by putting batches of instruments through one of the medium sized heat treating ovens at something less than boiling temperature overnight. Once everything was *thoroughly* dry it powered up and functioned again. I don't know if your microwave is small enough to fit into your regular oven, but that'd be one way to make sure it's completely dry inside before you try to power it up again. I've used this trick successfully on cell phones, calculators and digital watches that got wet. Just take out the batteries and either replace them or dry them out by hand. Lastly, you may want to read some of the materials on the alleged dangers of consuming microwaved foods. We use ours a lot less than we used to. Be well, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dee, I believe that she wants to remove the outer case of the microwave and clean where the electronics are. That area is shielded from the microwaves. - Steve N -Original Message- From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts I would have thought that just to turn the microwave on would kill any toxins in it! dee Clayton Family wrote: Dear List, I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way to do it. It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or something. Thanks, Kathryn -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
The microwave that I have, which I am considering using for CS, has a resistance associated with it to discharge the capacitor. Not sure how long it takes. The TV will hold a charge for a long time. Dan -Original Message- From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts Kathryn, I am probably going to horrify some with my recommendation but you can clean your microwave in your bathtub with tap water. The one thing I am not sure of is the magnetron which is mounted on the side or top of the microwave chamber and generates the actual microwaves. It has been sometime since I tore one of those apart but as I recall they are not water tight. I would mask off the magnetron with plastic and tape to keep out water and ammonia. I have cleaned a number of TVs and other electronics with tap water with no problems. Just rinse the cleaning solution off Very Well and Dry Completely before use. Water can be trapped in connectors and so check they are dry inside as well as outside. I find that drying in direct sunlight for a couple or three days is usually enough if the days are warm. Before you open the microwave, let it set for 2 to 3 days unplugged to discharge the capacitors. BTW, TVs also have a high voltage capacitor on the versions with a picture tube. This is what I would do. - Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Steve, Malcolm, Mike, Dee, Thank you all for the input and the ideas. I am reading them and mulling them over. Yes, the toxins tend to be airborn. Cleaning appliances can be very time consuming since there are many areas that are not so easy to get to. Buying new ones is certainly simpler, but way more spendy. And no guarantees anywhere in sight. I really hate this stuff, and would rather move, but then there is the money again. I would not even think of cleaning them if I had money, I would just get some new ones, and send the old ones to appliance heaven. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Scary stuff! I think I would leave well alone and either get a new one, or not bother with microwaving. dee Norton, Steve wrote: Dee, I believe that she wants to remove the outer case of the microwave and clean where the electronics are. That area is shielded from the microwaves. - Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dan Nave wrote: The microwave that I have, which I am considering using for CS, has a resistance associated with it to discharge the capacitor. Not sure how long it takes. The TV will hold a charge for a long time. Give me the value of the resistor, and the capacitors, and I can tell you exactly how fast it will discharge. Marshall Dan -Original Message- From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts Kathryn, I am probably going to horrify some with my recommendation but you can clean your microwave in your bathtub with tap water. The one thing I am not sure of is the magnetron which is mounted on the side or top of the microwave chamber and generates the actual microwaves. It has been sometime since I tore one of those apart but as I recall they are not water tight. I would mask off the magnetron with plastic and tape to keep out water and ammonia. I have cleaned a number of TVs and other electronics with tap water with no problems. Just rinse the cleaning solution off Very Well and Dry Completely before use. Water can be trapped in connectors and so check they are dry inside as well as outside. I find that drying in direct sunlight for a couple or three days is usually enough if the days are warm. Before you open the microwave, let it set for 2 to 3 days unplugged to discharge the capacitors. BTW, TVs also have a high voltage capacitor on the versions with a picture tube. This is what I would do. - Steve -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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...TV's and monitors with CRT's can accumulate charge in unplugged storage even if the cap is drained initially. i forget how it works, but it's apparently true. -Original Message- From: Dan Nave [mailto:dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts The microwave that I have, which I am considering using for CS, has a resistance associated with it to discharge the capacitor. Not sure how long it takes. The TV will hold a charge for a long time. Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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The capacitor is 10 ufd. On the schematic, the resistor is shown parallel to the capacitor, but has no value. I am not sure if it is an external resistor or if it indicates an inherent internal leakage of the capacitor. Dan -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:25 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts Dan Nave wrote: The microwave that I have, which I am considering using for CS, has a resistance associated with it to discharge the capacitor. Not sure how long it takes. The TV will hold a charge for a long time. Give me the value of the resistor, and the capacitors, and I can tell you exactly how fast it will discharge. Marshall Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Many toxins are actually bits and pieces of dead bacteria and fungi or their excretion products; thus the microwave may actually contribute more toxins to some minor degree. Also there are many parts of the oven that aren't irradiated, but just collect dust and particulate debris because of that durn fan blowing air and making dust-bunnies. On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 13:15 +0100, Dee wrote: I would have thought that just to turn the microwave on would kill any toxins in it! dee Clayton Family wrote: Dear List, I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way to do it. It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or something. Thanks, Kathryn -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Dan Nave wrote: The capacitor is 10 ufd. On the schematic, the resistor is shown parallel to the capacitor, but has no value. I am not sure if it is an external resistor or if it indicates an inherent internal leakage of the capacitor. Dan The time value of the voltage would be: E = V*e^-(.1rt) where r is the value of the resisitor in ohms, and t is in seconds. V is the initial voltage when unplugged or turned off. e is of course the base of the natural logarithm. Marshall -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:25 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts Dan Nave wrote: The microwave that I have, which I am considering using for CS, has a resistance associated with it to discharge the capacitor. Not sure how long it takes. The TV will hold a charge for a long time. Give me the value of the resistor, and the capacitors, and I can tell you exactly how fast it will discharge. Marshall Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Yes, a good point! In fact often you can short out a capacitor several times in a row and get a spark each time; Yikes! High voltage capacitors are especially likely to behave this way, because the insulating element that separates the two plates of the cap becomes formed by the electrical pressure - the voltage - impressed on it. this tends to drive it's electrons toward or away from the positive or negative plates. When the voltage is removed, the electrons tend to migrate back to their former positions and induce a further charge on them, a new equilibrium. On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 14:29 -0400, bob Larson wrote: ...TV's and monitors with CRT's can accumulate charge in unplugged storage even if the cap is drained initially. i forget how it works, but it's apparently true. -Original Message- From: Dan Nave [mailto:dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts The microwave that I have, which I am considering using for CS, has a resistance associated with it to discharge the capacitor. Not sure how long it takes. The TV will hold a charge for a long time. Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On 9/12/2008 2:51:48 AM, M. G. Devour (mdev...@eskimo.com) wrote: Lastly, you may want to read some of the materials on the alleged dangers of consuming microwaved foods. We use ours a lot less than we used to. Yeah, That was why I had a mw've to convert to CS maker supreme. We had ditched ours, sometime before because of the cautions of microwaved food. Who needs it... Chuck Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1667 - Release Date: 9/11/2008 6:55 PM
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Hee, Hee, I love it when you talk dirty, Marshall... Chuck What if there were no hypothetical questions? On 9/12/2008 4:16:26 PM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Dan Nave wrote: The capacitor is 10 ufd. On the schematic, the resistor is shown parallel to the capacitor, but has no value. I am not sure if it is an external resistor or if it indicates an inherent internal leakage of the capacitor. Dan The time value of the voltage would be: E = V*e^-(.1rt) where r is the value of the resisitor in ohms, and t is in seconds. V is the initial voltage when unplugged or turned off. e is of course the base of the natural logarithm. Marshall No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1667 - Release Date: 9/11/2008 6:55 PM
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STOP IT!! My hysterical laughter is becoming more uncontrollable! I'm still trying to recover from your mutter, mutter, sigh comment. N. - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 9:35 AM Subject: Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts Hee, Hee, I love it when you talk dirty, Marshall... Chuck What if there were no hypothetical questions? On 9/12/2008 4:16:26 PM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Dan Nave wrote: The capacitor is 10 ufd. On the schematic, the resistor is shown parallel to the capacitor, but has no value. I am not sure if it is an external resistor or if it indicates an inherent internal leakage of the capacitor. Dan The time value of the voltage would be: E = V*e^-(.1rt) where r is the value of the resisitor in ohms, and t is in seconds. V is the initial voltage when unplugged or turned off. e is of course the base of the natural logarithm. Marshall No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1667 - Release Date: 9/11/2008 6:55 PM -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi, almost forgot; the clothes dryer is infamous for collecting lint, dust, and after years of use, suddenly catching on fire. This is not the best way to clean it though. Usually the front panel can be wangled free and the truly incredible amounts of foof peeled off the motor, pulleys and whatnot. Definitely a worthwhile airborne toxin reduction method! On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 15:45 -0500, Clayton Family wrote: Dear List, I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way to do it. It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or something. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Dear List, I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way to do it. It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or something. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Kathryn, I am probably going to horrify some with my recommendation but you can clean your microwave in your bathtub with tap water. The one thing I am not sure of is the magnetron which is mounted on the side or top of the microwave chamber and generates the actual microwaves. It has been sometime since I tore one of those apart but as I recall they are not water tight. I would mask off the magnetron with plastic and tape to keep out water and ammonia. I have cleaned a number of TVs and other electronics with tap water with no problems. Just rinse the cleaning solution off Very Well and Dry Completely before use. Water can be trapped in connectors and so check they are dry inside as well as outside. I find that drying in direct sunlight for a couple or three days is usually enough if the days are warm. Before you open the microwave, let it set for 2 to 3 days unplugged to discharge the capacitors. BTW, TVs also have a high voltage capacitor on the versions with a picture tube. This is what I would do. - Steve -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts Dear List, I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way to do it. It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or something. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Steve, No disrespect, but this is a Very Bad idea for a number of reasons. First, there are nooks and crannies you will never get to where the water will remain; Second, much tap water is fairly conductive and will hide under small electronic components on circuit boards, and in the windings of the high voltage transformer, causing short circuits and very possibly fires and almost certainly destroying the microwave; third, putting the device in the tub, often metal, and with grounded water pipes, almost universal, is an invitation to electrocution. I'm glad you've gotten away with it, but that is probably more a combination of good luck and good (non-conductive) water; fourth, again tap water in contact with the metal of electronic bits and pieces will corrode them, and that corrosion itself will disable the electronics inside in short order. You have definitely horrified me and I'd urge anyone reading your post to check with a local electronic appliance repair shop or TV technician on such a procedure. On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 16:23 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote: Kathryn, I am probably going to horrify some with my recommendation but you can clean your microwave in your bathtub with tap water. The one thing I am not sure of is the magnetron which is mounted on the side or top of the microwave chamber and generates the actual microwaves. It has been sometime since I tore one of those apart but as I recall they are not water tight. I would mask off the magnetron with plastic and tape to keep out water and ammonia. I have cleaned a number of TVs and other electronics with tap water with no problems. Just rinse the cleaning solution off Very Well and Dry Completely before use. Water can be trapped in connectors and so check they are dry inside as well as outside. I find that drying in direct sunlight for a couple or three days is usually enough if the days are warm. Before you open the microwave, let it set for 2 to 3 days unplugged to discharge the capacitors. BTW, TVs also have a high voltage capacitor on the versions with a picture tube. This is what I would do. - Steve -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts Dear List, I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way to do it. It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or something. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Kathryn, What about a hepa filter 'High Efficiency Particulate Air' vacuum cleaner as well as a more general household hepa filter; Honeywell makes a bunch of these, though I don't know their real - as opposed to advertised - quality. Industrial strength filters are available for applications such as laminar flow hoods with Guarantees of less than one percent of particles under a micron or so size at very low pressure drop across the filter; if I remember correctly, five to ten microns is considered the worst for us mammals w/lungs. Another thought; though common household bleach (Blech!) has a bad rep in many applications, it is about the most effective household disinfectant that dissipates in a reasonable amount of time. Ammonia? Hhmmm, De gustibus non disputandum. After it dries, a week or so? Hhmm again. Cut down on spore dispersal, suck em up while they're a wee bit damp and bound to their companion particles. After all, the trick is not just to kill nasty little life-forms, but to rid your environment of nasty little dead particles left over from god-knows-what nasty little things whether they grew on-site or arrived otherwise. In Almost ALL microwave ovens there is a resistor across the terminals of the high voltage capacitor, called a bleeder resistor and put there solely to 'bleed off the high voltage. There's no sure thing about this, but a competent small appliance repair shop or TV tech. should be able to verify it's there or not, and still functioning or not. Alternatively, the knowledgeable adventurous can take a screwdriver with a good uncracked plastic handle and a piece of insulated electrical wire w/alligator clips on the ends, clip one alligator to the metal blade of the screwdriver, other end to the metal chassis of the microwave oven innards (that's just to reduce the possibility of becoming a bleeder resistor yourself) and touch the metal blade of the screwdriver between both the terminals of the capacitor. If you're not sure what a capacitor looks like, forget the whole crazy idea, it's not worth getting zapped! Other safety hints, stand on dry cardboard, a couple of thicknesses, wear rubber gloves and -soled shoes, one hand behind your back, don't lean on the counter or sink, etc., etc. thimk! Snile!! Some other options; ionic air filters or static precipitators, not just the negative ion generators, which are nice but hardly up to whole room air cleaning, whatever they say; however any of these address the problem of non-biological toxic particles. Almost any surface finish like paint or varnish can be a prob, you probably know most of this stuff already. To get a look at what else may help, check out what commercial mushroom growers go through to prevent contamination. After all, they provide ideal environments for not only their own preferred portobellos but any other wild species of fungal or mycobacterial spore that drifts in to set up it's version of reproduction in paradise. On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 15:45 -0500, Clayton Family wrote: Dear List, I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way to do it. It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or something. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Malcolm, True, I may have been lucky but I have also been cautious. I was taught the method by a TV repairman who used on every TV he repaired as a standard practice. BTW, when I said put it in the tub I should have stated that I did not intend it should be a tub filled with water. I was thinking of a shower or pouring water over the microwave to rinse. Yes, tap water is conductive but after drying there is not enough residue left behind to be conductive. One can finish with a distilled water rinse if one is concerned. But if Kathryn is going to spray the insides of a microwave with cleaner, there isn't many options and this is one that I have used many times without problems on many electronic equipment. As you note, drying the unit well is important. No disrespect taken. Cautions are always good. What may be suitable for one person may not be for another and I think one of the strengths of this group is the broad experience and willingness to comment when something doesn't look right. - Steve -Original Message- From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts Hi Steve, No disrespect, but this is a Very Bad idea for a number of reasons. First, there are nooks and crannies you will never get to where the water will remain; Second, much tap water is fairly conductive and will hide under small electronic components on circuit boards, and in the windings of the high voltage transformer, causing short circuits and very possibly fires and almost certainly destroying the microwave; third, putting the device in the tub, often metal, and with grounded water pipes, almost universal, is an invitation to electrocution. I'm glad you've gotten away with it, but that is probably more a combination of good luck and good (non-conductive) water; fourth, again tap water in contact with the metal of electronic bits and pieces will corrode them, and that corrosion itself will disable the electronics inside in short order. You have definitely horrified me and I'd urge anyone reading your post to check with a local electronic appliance repair shop or TV technician on such a procedure. On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 16:23 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote: Kathryn, I am probably going to horrify some with my recommendation but you can clean your microwave in your bathtub with tap water. The one thing I am not sure of is the magnetron which is mounted on the side or top of the microwave chamber and generates the actual microwaves. It has been sometime since I tore one of those apart but as I recall they are not water tight. I would mask off the magnetron with plastic and tape to keep out water and ammonia. I have cleaned a number of TVs and other electronics with tap water with no problems. Just rinse the cleaning solution off Very Well and Dry Completely before use. Water can be trapped in connectors and so check they are dry inside as well as outside. I find that drying in direct sunlight for a couple or three days is usually enough if the days are warm. Before you open the microwave, let it set for 2 to 3 days unplugged to discharge the capacitors. BTW, TVs also have a high voltage capacitor on the versions with a picture tube. This is what I would do. - Steve -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts Dear List, I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way to do it. It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or something. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Hi Steve Norton, Just a brief comment (for me) Before you open the microwave, let it set for 2 to 3 days unplugged to discharge the capacitors. BTW, TVs also have a high voltage capacitor on the versions with a picture tube. Uplugged Television Capacitors can carry High Voltage charges for longer than several days. As everyone may know, the first use of Capacitors was to store Electricity. I would worry about the Microwave Caps, too, although I haven't worked on any. Not all TVs and I can only guess Microwaves or not as the case may be have bleeder resistors across the high voltage capacitors to discharge them. Unfortunately Consumer Grade Appliances are dollar driven designs. A manufacture will leave out parts (sometimes call Munzting) to save a pittance. I can and have purchased resistors at a fraction of a penny for manufacturing. Bean Counters working for Mass Market Manufacturers seem to have more control in industrial design than engineers. That fraction of a penny multiplied by 500,000 parts comes to $3,500 at the end of the year for one design alone. In other words to save a few dollars, manufactures will omit parts that would make a design safer. They have consistently done this unless required by regulatory statute for safety concerns. When I work on anything with high voltage caps, I discharge them use using a Snuffer Stick (It has a 200K, 2 watt resistor in series with the nose probe and ground wire to large clip for ground on the other) and then use clip leads on the caps to ground. I haven't worked on Microwaves and bow to your experience in this area. I wouldn't have them in my house for years. I remember all the Pacemaker warnings. Best Regards, Steve Foss
