Re: CSRe: Polio
Thank you so very much Mary From: vicki hood mutt...@isp.com To: mborg...@att.net; silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, January 2, 2013 5:38:27 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: Polio Cell 928-308-9104. Hope that it is OK with Tel. I promised i would share his phone and other if there was someone who needed help. Quailwoodherbal.com - Original Message - From: mborg...@att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:40AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Polio Harold Do you or anyone out there know how to get in touch of Tel Twho makes salve a friend needs some. Mary From: Harold har...@telus.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, January 1, 2013 9:11:56PM Subject: CSRe:Polio My Aunt was three years old when she got polio in 1910.She survived,but with a leg deformity and sterile.She lived to a very ripe old age with a recurrence of polio in her 70s.I never knew if she had been given the Small-pox vaccine.Would not be surprised though.My grandparents were homesteading in Nebraska with a native tribe adjoining,Otoe,if I remember right.An awful lot of years since I heard the story, Harold From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 6:53 PM To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2012 #540
Re: CSRe: Polio
I nursed patients who had been in tanks for 40 - 50 years after their polio - their limbs were squashed flat by the pressure . extraordinary lives / my aunt died of polio 1946 ... our best tennis player at school contracted it, limping friends had it . horrible Jane My Aunt was three years old when she got polio in 1910.She survived,but with a leg deformity and sterile.She lived to a very ripe old age with a recurrence of polio in her 70s.I never knew if she had been given the Small-pox vaccine.Would not be surprised though.My grandparents were homesteading in Nebraska with a native tribe adjoining,Otoe,if I remember right.An awful lot of years since I heard the story, Harold
Re: CSRe: Polio - vaccines
I saw a programme on the telly that showed how vaccines were produced, and apparently during the process it is possible for anything to develop depending on whats also present in the medium they are using. That is, monkey brains, cat brains, foetus etc., it is found that if there are other pathogens present when the vaccine is grown¹ then this can influence the product. They have found that so-called stealth¹ viruses have been introduced and even cancer. This came from the mouth of a Merkk professor who was involved with vaccine production and he admitted live on camera, that he had personally probably been responsible for the introduction of the Aids virus due to him using a different kind of monkey because they were more available and cheaper than the recommended type. dee From: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 00:23:50 -0500 To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Polio Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:23:43 -0800 in relatively recent years, it has been found that people who survived polio infections when they were young became subject to a recurrence of it much later in life. I am not sure whether this is presented as an actual infection, or with merely an intensified weakening of the affected body part. One must take care to consider all possibilities before arriving at a firm conviction. Personally, I doubt that the smallpox vaccine would be implicated with polio issues, but I'd be open to persuation. Steve
Re: CSRe: Polio
Dr. Klenner presented over 20 papers outlining his life's work with Vitamin C. In 1949, he cured 60 out of 60 polio cases. It was probably Claus Washington Jungeblut, M.D. that first give Klenner the idea to employ Vitamin C for polio though he may deny it. Jungeblut published in 1935, his idea that ascorbic acid, Vitamin C, could inactivate bacterial and viral pathogens along with their toxins. Some of his earliest work was with bacterial toxins, such as tetanus, diphtheria, and staph toxins which he found could be inactivated by Vitamin C along with the polio, hepatitis and herpes viruses. Irwine Stone, the biochemist writes: Within two years after the discovery of ascorbic acid, Jungeblut showed that ascorbic acid would inactivate the virus of poliomyelitis. This was followed, in 1936-1937, in rapid succession by other workers showing similar inactivation of other viruses: by Holden et al., using the herpes virus; by Kligler and Bernkopf, on the vaccina virus, by Lagenbusch and Enderling, with the virus of hoof-and-mouth disease; by Amato, on the rabies virus; by Lominski, using bacteriophage; and by Lojkin and Martin, with the tobacco mosaic disease virus. Thus, at this early date it was established that ascorbic acid had the potential of being a wide-spectrum antiviral agent. After Jungeblut's well known notoriety in the 1930s and 40s in Polio research, he seemed to disappear into anonymity along with all the research of Vitamin C as an antimicrobial. This was mainly due to the efforts of the famous, Dr. Albert B. Sabin. Dr. Sabin was the champion at this time in live polio virus vaccine research. He attempted to repeat Jungeblut's groundbreaking work showing that polio infected monkeys benefited by Vitamin C administration. Sabin could not reproduce Jungeblut's success which was later evaluated by Jungeblut, himself, as Sabin using far too low of dosages on monkeys, who were far sicker than his in the lab trials. Sabin gave one single small dose of 400 mg to only one animal and for only one day. Imagine giving a similar dosage of one of our current antibiotics and hoping for a cure? Impossible. Sabin's resulting negative published results effectively stifled all future work with Vitamin C in the context as an anti-viral compound. Sabin went on to perfect a live virus vaccine, but in the meantime, he came into conflict with Dr. Salk who worked at vaccinating polio from the dead virus perspective. As with Jungeblut's Vitamin C research, Sabin did everything in his power to condemn the work of Salk. He was quoted of being very bombastic and intolerant of new ideas. Here we see how medical history is such a fickle maiden. Salk would mostly have been stopped in his tracks from further work on a dead virus vaccine had it not been for Basil O'Connor, an appointee by Franklin D. Roosevelt. O'Connor was in charge of the goverment grant purse strings in stimulating polio research. Salk and O'Connor met by happenstance and O'Connor was impressed with this young researcher, Jonas Salk! He believed in Salk's work and was a nonfliching supporter of Salk and powerful enough to defy Sabin. In the end. Salk was allowed to complete his successful polio dead virus vaccine merely because he had friends in high places who never stopped funneling money to his lab! Just imagine what might have happened if O'Connor had met and liked Dr. Jungeblut or Dr. Klenner! Dr.Klenner in the late 1940s took Jungeblut's work a bit further by administering 20-40 grams of Vitamin C per day with stunning results. Andrew W. Saul writes: Curiously, the only report on vitamin C and polio that Klenner had at that time read was Sabin's negative one. Klenner writes that his own observations of the action of ascorbic acid on virus diseases were made independently of any knowledge of previous studies using vitamin C on virus pathology, except for the negative report of Sabin after treating Rhesus monkeys experimentally infected with the poliomyelitis virus. Then he reviewed the literature, finding an almost unbelievable record of such studies. The years of labor in animal experimentation, the cost in human effort and in grants, and the volumes written, make it difficult to understand how so many investigators could have failed in comprehending the one thing that would have given positive results a decade ago. This one thing was the size of the dose of vitamin C employed and the frequency of its administration. In all fairness it must be said that Jungeblut noted on several occasions that he attributed his failure of results to the possibility that the strength of his injectable 'C' was inadequate. It was he who unequivocally said that ''vitamin C can truthfully be designated as the antitoxic and antiviral vitamin.' And so went Dr. Klenner groundbreaking work, who inspired a few other renegades such as Dr. Robert Cathcart, Dr. W. Bellfield, Thomas Levy, but few others.
Re: CSRe: Polio
Thanks for that, Doug -- that was very interesting. And follows on the heels of something I heard recently -- that massive doses of liposomal Vitamin C are being used in Mexico to *cure* even late-stage cancer. MA From: polo dah...@centurytel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, January 2, 2013 8:24:43 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Polio Dr. Klenner presented over 20 papers outlining his life's work with Vitamin C. In 1949, he cured 60 out of 60 polio cases. It was probably Claus Washington Jungeblut, M.D. that first give Klenner the idea to employ Vitamin C for polio though he may deny it. Jungeblut published in 1935, his idea that ascorbic acid, Vitamin C, could inactivate bacterial and viral pathogens along with their toxins. Some of his earliest work was with bacterial toxins, such as tetanus, diphtheria, and staph toxins which he found could be inactivated by Vitamin C along with the polio, hepatitis and herpes viruses. Irwine Stone, the biochemist writes: Within two years after the discovery of ascorbic acid, Jungeblut showed that ascorbic acid would inactivate the virus of poliomyelitis. This was followed, in 1936-1937, in rapid succession by other workers showing similar inactivation of other viruses: by Holden et al., using the herpes virus; by Kligler and Bernkopf, on the vaccina virus, by Lagenbusch and Enderling, with the virus of hoof-and-mouth disease; by Amato, on the rabies virus; by Lominski, using bacteriophage; and by Lojkin and Martin, with the tobacco mosaic disease virus. Thus, at this early date it was established that ascorbic acid had the potential of being a wide-spectrum antiviral agent. After Jungeblut's well known notoriety in the 1930s and 40s in Polio research, he seemed to disappear into anonymity along with all the research of Vitamin C as an antimicrobial. This was mainly due to the efforts of the famous, Dr. Albert B. Sabin. Dr. Sabin was the champion at this time in live polio virus vaccine research. He attempted to repeat Jungeblut's groundbreaking work showing that polio infected monkeys benefited by Vitamin C administration. Sabin could not reproduce Jungeblut's success which was later evaluated by Jungeblut, himself, as Sabin using far too low of dosages on monkeys, who were far sicker than his in the lab trials. Sabin gave one single small dose of 400 mg to only one animal and for only one day. Imagine giving a similar dosage of one of our current antibiotics and hoping for a cure? Impossible. Sabin's resulting negative published results effectively stifled all future work with Vitamin C in the context as an anti-viral compound. Sabin went on to perfect a live virus vaccine, but in the meantime, he came into conflict with Dr. Salk who worked at vaccinating polio from the dead virus perspective. As with Jungeblut's Vitamin C research, Sabin did everything in his power to condemn the work of Salk. He was quoted of being very bombastic and intolerant of new ideas. Here we see how medical history is such a fickle maiden. Salk would mostly have been stopped in his tracks from further work on a dead virus vaccine had it not been for Basil O'Connor, an appointee by Franklin D. Roosevelt. O'Connor was in charge of the goverment grant purse strings in stimulating polio research. Salk and O'Connor met by happenstance and O'Connor was impressed with this young researcher, Jonas Salk! He believed in Salk's work and was a nonfliching supporter of Salk and powerful enough to defy Sabin. In the end. Salk was allowed to complete his successful polio dead virus vaccine merely because he had friends in high places who never stopped funneling money to his lab! Just imagine what might have happened if O'Connor had met and liked Dr. Jungeblut or Dr. Klenner! Dr.Klenner in the late 1940s took Jungeblut's work a bit further by administering 20-40 grams of Vitamin C per day with stunning results. Andrew W. Saul writes: Curiously, the only report on vitamin C and polio that Klenner had at that time read was Sabin's negative one. Klenner writes that his own observations of the action of ascorbic acid on virus diseases were made independently of any knowledge of previous studies using vitamin C on virus pathology, except for the negative report of Sabin after treating Rhesus monkeys experimentally infected with the poliomyelitis virus. Then he reviewed the literature, finding an almost unbelievable record of such studies. The years of labor in animal experimentation, the cost in human effort and in grants, and the volumes written, make it difficult to understand how so many investigators could have failed in comprehending the one thing that would have given positive results a decade ago. This one thing was the size of the dose of vitamin C employed and the frequency of its administration. In all fairness it must be said that Jungeblut noted on several occasions
Re: CSRe: Polio
Harold Do you or anyone out there know how to get in touch of Tel T who makes salve a friend needs some. Mary From: Harold har...@telus.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, January 1, 2013 9:11:56 PM Subject: CSRe: Polio My Aunt was three years old when she got polio in 1910.She survived,but with a leg deformity and sterile.She lived to a very ripe old age with a recurrence of polio in her 70s.I never knew if she had been given the Small-pox vaccine.Would not be surprised though.My grandparents were homesteading in Nebraska with a native tribe adjoining,Otoe,if I remember right.An awful lot of years since I heard the story, Harold From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 6:53 PM To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2012 #540
RE: CSRe: Polio
i had polio at age 2 or so. no obvious deformities but grew up pipe cleaner skinny, lots of greowing pains in legs, little strength or endurance and slowest kid on the track except for the obese. i haven't read up on it so i don't know what to expect from post-polio, but have some nasty neuro issues for decades CSilver stopped the neuro attacks right off. i had the full course of polio vaccines at least 6 times in L.A. SanDiego schools + the army. forced. what might that have caused for better or worse? so now i'm much later in life... with CS LDN i'm not worried about it, but i don't want to be the victim of my misplaced over-confidence either. _ From: Steve G [mailto:chube...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:24 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Polio in relatively recent years, it has been found that people who survived polio infections when they were young became subject to a recurrence of it much later in life. I am not sure whether this is presented as an actual infection, or with merely an intensified weakening of the affected body part. One must take care to consider all possibilities before arriving at a firm conviction. Personally, I doubt that the smallpox vaccine would be implicated with polio issues, but I'd be open to persuation. Steve Harold har...@telus.net wrote: My Aunt was three years old when she got polio in 1910.She survived,but with a leg deformity and sterile.She lived to a very ripe old age with a recurrence of polio in her 70s.I never knew if she had been given the Small-pox vaccine.Would not be surprised though.My grandparents were homesteading in Nebraska with a native tribe adjoining,Otoe,if I remember right.An awful lot of years since I heard the story, Harold From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 6:53 PM To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2012 #540
Re: CSRe: Polio
Cell 928-308-9104. Hope that it is OK with Tel. I promised i would share his phone and other if there was someone who needed help. Quailwoodherbal.com - Original Message - From: mborg...@att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:40 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Polio Harold Do you or anyone out there know how to get in touch of Tel T who makes salve a friend needs some. Mary -- From: Harold har...@telus.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, January 1, 2013 9:11:56 PM Subject: CSRe: Polio My Aunt was three years old when she got polio in 1910.She survived,but with a leg deformity and sterile.She lived to a very ripe old age with a recurrence of polio in her 70s.I never knew if she had been given the Small-pox vaccine.Would not be surprised though.My grandparents were homesteading in Nebraska with a native tribe adjoining,Otoe,if I remember right.An awful lot of years since I heard the story, Harold From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 6:53 PM To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2012 #540
CSRe: Polio
My Aunt was three years old when she got polio in 1910.She survived,but with a leg deformity and sterile.She lived to a very ripe old age with a recurrence of polio in her 70s.I never knew if she had been given the Small-pox vaccine.Would not be surprised though.My grandparents were homesteading in Nebraska with a native tribe adjoining,Otoe,if I remember right.An awful lot of years since I heard the story, Harold From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 6:53 PM To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2012 #540
Re: CSRe: Polio
in relatively recent years, it has been found that people who survived polio infections when they were young became subject to a recurrence of it much later in life. I am not sure whether this is presented as an actual infection, or with merely an intensified weakening of the affected body part. One must take care to consider all possibilities before arriving at a firm conviction. Personally, I doubt that the smallpox vaccine would be implicated with polio issues, but I'd be open to persuation. Steve Harold har...@telus.net wrote: My Aunt was three years old when she got polio in 1910.She survived,but with a leg deformity and sterile.She lived to a very ripe old age with a recurrence of polio in her 70s.I never knew if she had been given the Small-pox vaccine.Would not be surprised though.My grandparents were homesteading in Nebraska with a native tribe adjoining,Otoe,if I remember right.An awful lot of years since I heard the story, Harold From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 6:53 PM To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2012 #540
