RE: CSRe: ozone machines
Who really gives a crap? -Original Message- From: David Bearrow [mailto:dav...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:05 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: ozone machines I have to agree with Mike here. The term amp is short for ampere. It is incorrectly referred to as amperage by the layman. At 12:58 AM 5/21/03, you wrote: CSRe: ozone machines Sorry, Peter Clarke is the reporter who wrote the title. He is not an engineer or a scientist, who would be horrified to have that term associated with their work. See the International System of Units, or SI-Units, which define the terms and usage of engineering units: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/ The term amperage is not among them. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: ozone machines
-Original Message- From: Mike Monett ncrffn...@sneakemail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: ozone machines Re: CSRe: ozone machines From: CKing001 (view other messages by this author) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:12:41 amperage (am'p?r-ij, am'pîr'-) n. The strength of an electric current expressed in amperes. The American Heritage Dictionary Chuck, The American Heritage Dictionary is useful for many things, but it is not an engineering text. Anyone who studied engineering would use the terms Amp, Amps, Amperes, etc. Note the capitalization, which is used in all engineering parameters to denote the person who did the original work. Obviously, the person who wrote that entry never studied engineering. And neither has Harvey. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: ozone machines
Pickee!!g At 09:22 PM 5/20/03 -0400, you wrote: CSRe: ozone machines From: jrowland (view other messages by this author) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:37:21 ...there is no term called amperage... Boy, that sure makes for a lot of dictionaries to be recalled. jr Perhaps catalogs for automotive fuses. But no engineering texts, which I am certain Harvey has never read. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.470 / Virus Database: 268 - Release Date: 4/8/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.470 / Virus Database: 268 - Release Date: 4/8/03
Re: CSRe: ozone machines
AMPERAGE: The number of amperes flowing in an electrical conductor or circuit. Modern dictionary of Electronics. Published by Sams. The American Heritage Dictionary is useful for many things, but it is not an engineering text. Anyone who studied engineering would use the terms Amp, Amps, Amperes, etc. Note the capitalization, which is used in all engineering parameters to denote the person who did the original work. Obviously, the person who wrote that entry never studied engineering. And neither has Harvey. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: ozone machines
I have to agree with Mike here. The term amp is short for ampere. It is incorrectly referred to as amperage by the layman. At 12:58 AM 5/21/03, you wrote: CSRe: ozone machines Sorry, Peter Clarke is the reporter who wrote the title. He is not an engineer or a scientist, who would be horrified to have that term associated with their work. See the International System of Units, or SI-Units, which define the terms and usage of engineering units: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/ The term amperage is not among them. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: ozone machines
-Original Message- From: Mike Monett ncrffn...@sneakemail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: ozone machines Re: CSRe: ozone machines From: CKing001 (view other messages by this author) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:12:41 amperage (am'p?r-ij, am'pîr'-) n. The strength of an electric current expressed in amperes. The American Heritage Dictionary Chuck, The American Heritage Dictionary is useful for many things, but it is not an engineering text. Anyone who studied engineering would use the terms Amp, Amps, Amperes, etc. Note the capitalization, which is used in all engineering parameters to denote the person who did the original work. Obviously, the person who wrote that entry never studied engineering. And neither has Harvey. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: ozone machines
-Original Message- From: Mike Monett ncrffn...@sneakemail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: ozone machines Re: CSRe: ozone machines From: CKing001 (view other messages by this author) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:12:41 amperage (am'p?r-ij, am'pîr'-) n. The strength of an electric current expressed in amperes. The American Heritage Dictionary Chuck, The American Heritage Dictionary is useful for many things, but it is not an engineering text. Anyone who studied engineering would use the terms Amp, Amps, Amperes, etc. Note the capitalization, which is used in all engineering parameters to denote the person who did the original work. Obviously, the person who wrote that entry never studied engineering. And neither has Harvey. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: ozone machines
-Original Message- From: Mike Monett ncrffn...@sneakemail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: ozone machines Re: CSRe: ozone machines From: CKing001 (view other messages by this author) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:12:41 amperage (am'p?r-ij, am'pîr'-) n. The strength of an electric current expressed in amperes. The American Heritage Dictionary Chuck, The American Heritage Dictionary is useful for many things, but it is not an engineering text. Anyone who studied engineering would use the terms Amp, Amps, Amperes, etc. Note the capitalization, which is used in all engineering parameters to denote the person who did the original work. Obviously, the person who wrote that entry never studied engineering. And neither has Harvey. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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When the discussion becomes as biased as one on religion, I either stay in for the fun or drop it early. This one is silly. Statement was no such term as amperage. Several technical and non technical sources have been quoted. Walk away from this one, or lose credibility. Chuck A bum came up to me saying I haven't eaten in two days! I said, You should force yourself! On Wed, 21 May 2003 19:22:31 +0700, FHLew klini...@tm.net.my wrote: Chuck, The American Heritage Dictionary is useful for many things, but it is not an engineering text. Anyone who studied engineering would use the terms Amp, Amps, Amperes, etc. Note the capitalization, which is used in all engineering parameters to denote the person who did the original work. Obviously, the person who wrote that entry never studied engineering. And neither has Harvey. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: ozone machines
Mike Monett wrote: Re: CSRe: ozone machines From: CKing001 (view other messages by this author) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:12:41 amperage (am'p?r-ij, am'pîr'-) n. The strength of an electric current expressed in amperes. The American Heritage Dictionary Chuck, The American Heritage Dictionary is useful for many things, but it is not an engineering text. Anyone who studied engineering would use the terms Amp, Amps, Amperes, etc. I don't agree with that at all. I am a degreed electrical engineer who worked in electronics for over 30 years. Amperage is a perfectly good term when expressing the amount of current in amps. For instance, one would say what is the amperage of that fuse, not what is the amp of that fuse. That is much easier to say than What is the current rating in amps of that fuse. If all we could use are terms that are defined in engineering texts, we would not be able to converse with anyone. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/scenario/physlang.htm AMPERAGE, VOLTAGE, WATTAGE These words are entrenched in the informal language of science, but they are entirely unnecessary. We have perfectly good technical words for these measurable quantities: current, potential, and power. Physics textbooks set a good example when decribing current; the good ones hardly ever use amperage. Then why do they persist in using voltage and wattage? This seems inconsistent, doesn't it? -- So, I guess we should not be using voltage or wattage either. Marshall jrowl...@nctimes.net wrote: I = eF Electron's amperage determined ---The Industry Source for Engineers Technical Managers Worldwide http://www.eetimes.com/news/97/947news/elec.html jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Harvey, Well, I still don't have a clear idea of your circuit, but here's my best guess. The schematic is at http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/misc/2eb56731.gif This shows the variac driving two LRC networks. To simplify things, I converted the Q to the equivalent parallel resistance. The leading network (+90) has the cap connected to the variac, and the lagging network (-90) connects the inductor to the variac. The variac output is labeled V0. The cell is shown as a 1 Meg resistor between the two outputs. The frequency response is shown in http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/misc/2eb5685b.gif This measures the response of the circuit between 10Hz and 110Hz. It is a typical underdamped response. The top graph is the amplitude in db, and the bottom two traces are the leading (+90) and lagging (-90) outputs from the LRC sections. Note the constant 180 degree phase difference between the two outputs regardless of frequency. Also note at resonance, the two signals have a +/- 90 degree phase relation to the driving signal. This helps to understand the next graph http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/misc/2eb568d4.gif This shows the transient response when power is first applied. The two output signals increase in amplitude at a rate determined by the Q of the networks. The black trace is the variac output. The red trace is the leading network (+90) and the blue trace is the lagging network (-90). These signals are 180 degrees out of phase with respect to each other, which develops the voltage across the cell. The final graph shows the current through the cell as the resistance is stepped from 50k to 2 Meg in 200k steps. The top blue trace is 50k, and the steps go down. http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/misc/2eb56a4d.gif This shows the network is not a constant current source, and looks like a simple resistor connected to the variac. The value is determined by the Q of the circuit. This circuit is used in many applications that need a constant 180 degree phase shift between two signals, or a +/- 90 degree phase with respect to the carrier. An example of the latter would be quadrature modulation and demodulation. The same basic circuit is used in crossover networks for speakers. If your circuit is different, please let me know. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: ozone machines
...there is no term called amperage... Boy, that sure makes for a lot of dictionaries to be recalled. jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: ozone machines
CSRe: ozone machines From: jrowland (view other messages by this author) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:37:21 ...there is no term called amperage... Boy, that sure makes for a lot of dictionaries to be recalled. jr Perhaps catalogs for automotive fuses. But no engineering texts, which I am certain Harvey has never read. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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am·per·age (am'p?r-ij, am'pîr'-) n. The strength of an electric current expressed in amperes. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. You knew this was coming, didn't you? I think you mean there is no UNIT called amperage, else we have more than one troll on the list. Chuck Every morning is the dawn of a new error. On Tue, 20 May 2003 21:22:37 -0400, Mike Monett ncrffn...@sneakemail.com wrote: CSRe: ozone machines From: jrowland (view other messages by this author) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:37:21 ...there is no term called amperage... Boy, that sure makes for a lot of dictionaries to be recalled. jr Perhaps catalogs for automotive fuses. But no engineering texts, which I am certain Harvey has never read. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: ozone machines
Re: CSRe: ozone machines From: CKing001 (view other messages by this author) Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 21:12:41 amperage (am'p?r-ij, am'pîr'-) n. The strength of an electric current expressed in amperes. The American Heritage Dictionary Chuck, The American Heritage Dictionary is useful for many things, but it is not an engineering text. Anyone who studied engineering would use the terms Amp, Amps, Amperes, etc. Note the capitalization, which is used in all engineering parameters to denote the person who did the original work. Obviously, the person who wrote that entry never studied engineering. And neither has Harvey. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: ozone machines
I = eF Electron's amperage determined ---The Industry Source for Engineers Technical Managers Worldwide http://www.eetimes.com/news/97/947news/elec.html jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: ozone machines
CSRe: ozone machines Sorry, Peter Clarke is the reporter who wrote the title. He is not an engineer or a scientist, who would be horrified to have that term associated with their work. See the International System of Units, or SI-Units, which define the terms and usage of engineering units: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/ The term amperage is not among them. Best Regards, Mike Monett -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
