Re: CSRequested: advice on water from chemistry-minded folks
Hello: Wouldn't it be possible to put some limestone into the well to eliminate the acidity? Doesn't seem to me like you would need much of it - 20-30 pounds broken up at the bottom of the well. Ian - Original Message - From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: CSRequested: advice on water from chemistry-minded folks Dear People, I have a challenge with my water system and would like your input, especially from the chemistry-minded folk of this list. In November I moved my home and office 6 miles to an even more remote country location. The house's water supply is fed by a well. The water's pH tests at -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRequested: advice on water from chemistry-minded folks
I tend to agree with what Tony has indicated. Slowing the rate of flow of water through an ionizer can only make the resultant water more ionized, not less ionized. There may be a problem with the first filter putting something into the water. There may be something in the water (from either the well or the filter) that is affecting the electrodes of the water ionizer causing them to ionize less efficiently. Maybe your Singer machine is just plain broken... Leaving the water out overnight for the CO2 to dissipate will only work before the water is ionized. You should ionize it after it sits out. Test the plain untreated well water before and after letting it sit out. If you let alkaline water sit out it will get more acidic, at least that's what I remember from ionizer literature I read. Get the water tested, and go from there. You'll want to know what is in it anyway... Dan Re: CSRequested: advice on water from chemistry-minded folks From: Tony Moody (view other messages by this author) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:05:58 Hi Nenah, May you be very happy in your new home. Have you tried connecting well water straight into the Ionizer? To test whether the filter is the culprit. I can think of two potential problems. 1/ Something has got into the ionizer causing a problem, possibly blocking a port or covering an electrode or sensor. 2/ The new filter is functionally different so that the water leaving the filter is now strongly buffered by passing through the filter. I can only imagine that slowing the water flow would cause the electrolysis process to be 'better' or 'stronger' hth, Tony On 6 Feb 2005 at 19:57, Nenah Sylver wrote: Dear People, I have a challenge with my water system and would like your input, especially from the chemistry-minded folk of this list. In November I moved my home and office 6 miles to an even more remote country location. The house's water supply is fed by a well. The water's pH tests at around 6.2, much too acidic to drink (it should be at least a neutral 7.0). As with my prior location, the water purification setup at my new locale consists of two countertop water treatment units. The first is a simple filter with coconut shell, to remove the particulate matter -- and save wear and tear on the second water unit. The second water unit is a Singer Ionizer Plus, which electrolizes the water and sends the acid and alkaline fluids to separate chambers. You drink the alkaline water and use the acidic water externally (the skin is acidic and really benefits from the acid water). At my new location, the electrolyzed water initially tested from about 7.2 to 8.6, depending on the low or high settings of the Singer electrolysis system. The alkaline water tasted sweet and felt smooth. However, then we needed to replace the cartridge in Unit #1. The company that makes the first unit redesigned the cartridge and now we're having water problems. The mouth on both ends of the cartridge is much narrower than before. Presumably, this has lowered the pressure of the water flowing into the Singer. So now, even with the Singer unit on the highest setting, the water's pH doesn't get much higher than 6.6. The manufacturer of Unit #1 (the one that changed the cartridge) doesn't want to talk to us because we're not a large account. But someone at the Singer dealership did talk to us. We were told that well water is tricky to test for pH, because often there's carbonic acid (dissolved carbon dioxide) in the water. The remedy, the company rep continued, is to let the water sit overnight so the carbon dioxide can dissipate -- and THEN test the water the next morning. So I followed their advice. I electrolyzed the water at the second setting and the highest setting, let the two containers of water sit overnight, and then retested the pH the next morning. There was no difference between the night before and the next morning. The highest pH was still about 6.6. Here are the mysteries: 1) Why would changing the water pressure (narrowing the mouth of the cartridge on Machine #1) create a difference in pH? 2) Why didn't the carbon dioxide escape from the open water? 3) If the carbon dioxide didn't escape from the open water, it's possible that the acidic readings weren't the result of carbonic acid. If not, what was creating the acid? All this leads to yet another issue: Obviously, we're going to filter our water to get rid of sediment and chemicals. But drinking acidic water is out of the question. What can we put into the water to raise the pH? I experimented with putting 50% concentrated pharmaceutical grade potassium hydroxide into the acidic water. I had to use at least four drops to get the water to an acceptably alkaline level (it only gets to about 7.2)..But now there is an unpleasant taste to the water. I
Re: CSRequested: advice on water from chemistry-minded folks
Nenah, I'm surprised you didn't choose a good 6 stage Reverse Osmosis set up to treat your well water. That's what I would have done... with the 1st or 6th stage being a UV light to sterilize the water. I just installed a RO system in my home and never tasted sweeter water than it produces. I had a very good carbon block filter in use before this, but the taste can't compare. You might also want to check out the Crystal Clear Electron Water Machine. It's basically a distiller that emparts permanently charged left spinning electrons into the water, changing its structure permanently. It's an interesting concept and claims for this water abound. I purchased one but haven't used it yet. The device is completely hand made and of very good quality. You can call them and talk to Mr. Ellis, the inventor. Here is the link; http://www.johnellis.com/fs_main.htm Best of luck. Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Nave dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 7:46 AM Subject: Re: CSRequested: advice on water from chemistry-minded folks I tend to agree with what Tony has indicated. Slowing the rate of flow of water through an ionizer can only make the resultant water more ionized, not less ionized. There may be a problem with the first filter putting something into the water. There may be something in the water (from either the well or the filter) that is affecting the electrodes of the water ionizer causing them to ionize less efficiently. Maybe your Singer machine is just plain broken... Leaving the water out overnight for the CO2 to dissipate will only work before the water is ionized. You should ionize it after it sits out. Test the plain untreated well water before and after letting it sit out. If you let alkaline water sit out it will get more acidic, at least that's what I remember from ionizer literature I read. Get the water tested, and go from there. You'll want to know what is in it anyway... Dan Re: CSRequested: advice on water from chemistry-minded folks From: Tony Moody (view other messages by this author) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:05:58 Hi Nenah, May you be very happy in your new home. Have you tried connecting well water straight into the Ionizer? To test whether the filter is the culprit. I can think of two potential problems. 1/ Something has got into the ionizer causing a problem, possibly blocking a port or covering an electrode or sensor. 2/ The new filter is functionally different so that the water leaving the filter is now strongly buffered by passing through the filter. I can only imagine that slowing the water flow would cause the electrolysis process to be 'better' or 'stronger' hth, Tony On 6 Feb 2005 at 19:57, Nenah Sylver wrote: Dear People, I have a challenge with my water system and would like your input, especially from the chemistry-minded folk of this list. In November I moved my home and office 6 miles to an even more remote country location. The house's water supply is fed by a well. The water's pH tests at around 6.2, much too acidic to drink (it should be at least a neutral 7.0). As with my prior location, the water purification setup at my new locale consists of two countertop water treatment units. The first is a simple filter with coconut shell, to remove the particulate matter -- and save wear and tear on the second water unit. The second water unit is a Singer Ionizer Plus, which electrolizes the water and sends the acid and alkaline fluids to separate chambers. You drink the alkaline water and use the acidic water externally (the skin is acidic and really benefits from the acid water). At my new location, the electrolyzed water initially tested from about 7.2 to 8.6, depending on the low or high settings of the Singer electrolysis system. The alkaline water tasted sweet and felt smooth. However, then we needed to replace the cartridge in Unit #1. The company that makes the first unit redesigned the cartridge and now we're having water problems. The mouth on both ends of the cartridge is much narrower than before. Presumably, this has lowered the pressure of the water flowing into the Singer. So now, even with the Singer unit on the highest setting, the water's pH doesn't get much higher than 6.6. The manufacturer of Unit #1 (the one that changed the cartridge) doesn't want to talk to us because we're not a large account. But someone at the Singer dealership did talk to us. We were told that well water is tricky to test for pH, because often there's carbonic acid (dissolved carbon dioxide) in the water. The remedy, the company rep continued, is to let the water sit overnight so the carbon dioxide can dissipate -- and THEN test the water the next morning. So I followed their advice. I electrolyzed the water at the second setting and the highest setting, let
Re: CSRequested: advice on water from chemistry-minded folks
- Original Message - From: bbanever bbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:58 AM Subject: Re: CSRequested: advice on water from chemistry-minded folks Nenah, I'm surprised you didn't choose a good 6 stage Reverse Osmosis set up to treat your well water. That's what I would have done... with the 1st or 6th stage being a UV light to sterilize the water. I just installed a RO system in my home and never tasted sweeter water than it produces. I had a very good carbon block filter in use before this, but the taste can't compare. You might also want to check out the Crystal Clear Electron Water Machine. It's basically a distiller that emparts permanently charged left spinning electrons into the water, changing its structure permanently. It's an interesting concept and claims for this water abound. I purchased one but haven't used it yet. The device is completely hand made and of very good quality. You can call them and talk to Mr. Ellis, the inventor. Here is the link; http://www.johnellis.com/fs_main.htm Best of luck. Bob Hi Bob. If the water you drink is acidic, it is harmful to the system, no matter how much it has been filtered. Water can taste good but if it's acidic, it will cause damage over a period of time (see the book Reverse Aging). That's why I had the Singer water electrolysis unit at my other house. I just checked the John Ellis site and it is certainly intriguing, to say the least! Thanks for this tip. I would love a report from you when you try the water (what are you waiting for? I'm eager to hear the results). Best, Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRequested: advice on water from chemistry-minded folks
Nenah, I just set it up but haven't had the time to use it. I'm extremely busy these days in my practice. I'll get around to it soon though. Let us all know what Mr. Ellis says with regards to the PH factor, if you talk to him. Bob - Original Message - From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 8:30 AM Subject: Re: CSRequested: advice on water from chemistry-minded folks - Original Message - From: bbanever bbane...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:58 AM Subject: Re: CSRequested: advice on water from chemistry-minded folks Nenah, I'm surprised you didn't choose a good 6 stage Reverse Osmosis set up to treat your well water. That's what I would have done... with the 1st or 6th stage being a UV light to sterilize the water. I just installed a RO system in my home and never tasted sweeter water than it produces. I had a very good carbon block filter in use before this, but the taste can't compare. You might also want to check out the Crystal Clear Electron Water Machine. It's basically a distiller that emparts permanently charged left spinning electrons into the water, changing its structure permanently. It's an interesting concept and claims for this water abound. I purchased one but haven't used it yet. The device is completely hand made and of very good quality. You can call them and talk to Mr. Ellis, the inventor. Here is the link; http://www.johnellis.com/fs_main.htm Best of luck. Bob Hi Bob. If the water you drink is acidic, it is harmful to the system, no matter how much it has been filtered. Water can taste good but if it's acidic, it will cause damage over a period of time (see the book Reverse Aging). That's why I had the Singer water electrolysis unit at my other house. I just checked the John Ellis site and it is certainly intriguing, to say the least! Thanks for this tip. I would love a report from you when you try the water (what are you waiting for? I'm eager to hear the results). Best, Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRequested: advice on water from chemistry-minded folks
How deep would a UV light penetrate? Seems like we could clean our blood by shining the UV light on our near skin arteries similar to a Beck zapper. I just had 3 UV blood cleaning treatments in Mexico and they helped my Allergies/Asthma. My Beck zapper did not work that well for Allergies/ Asthma. Still get Aspergillus clumps from my sinuses during flushes but they are smaller and can go 4 days without seeing anything. Could the 660 nm red led simulate the UV light? Brickey
RE: CSRequested: advice on water from chemistry-minded folks
according to research by Leon http://www.geocities.com/lgasparyan/e_home.html a Blue LED will be affective when applied topically at the wrist artery.Though not as affective as laser intravenously applied. A RED LED would be less - though still affective. Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. -Original Message- From: brick...@aol.com [mailto:brick...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:21 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRequested: advice on water from chemistry-minded folks How deep would a UV light penetrate? Seems like we could clean our blood by shining the UV light on our near skin arteries similar to a Beck zapper. I just had 3 UV blood cleaning treatments in Mexico and they helped my Allergies/Asthma. My Beck zapper did not work that well for Allergies/ Asthma. Still get Aspergillus clumps from my sinuses during flushes but they are smaller and can go 4 days without seeing anything. Could the 660 nm red led simulate the UV light? Brickey
CSRequested: advice on water from chemistry-minded folks
Dear People, I have a challenge with my water system and would like your input, especially from the chemistry-minded folk of this list. In November I moved my home and office 6 miles to an even more remote country location. The house's water supply is fed by a well. The water's pH tests at around 6.2, much too acidic to drink (it should be at least a neutral 7.0). As with my prior location, the water purification setup at my new locale consists of two countertop water treatment units. The first is a simple filter with coconut shell, to remove the particulate matter -- and save wear and tear on the second water unit. The second water unit is a Singer Ionizer Plus, which electrolizes the water and sends the acid and alkaline fluids to separate chambers. You drink the alkaline water and use the acidic water externally (the skin is acidic and really benefits from the acid water). At my new location, the electrolyzed water initially tested from about 7.2 to 8.6, depending on the low or high settings of the Singer electrolysis system. The alkaline water tasted sweet and felt smooth. However, then we needed to replace the cartridge in Unit #1. The company that makes the first unit redesigned the cartridge and now we're having water problems. The mouth on both ends of the cartridge is much narrower than before. Presumably, this has lowered the pressure of the water flowing into the Singer. So now, even with the Singer unit on the highest setting, the water's pH doesn't get much higher than 6.6. The manufacturer of Unit #1 (the one that changed the cartridge) doesn't want to talk to us because we're not a large account. But someone at the Singer dealership did talk to us. We were told that well water is tricky to test for pH, because often there's carbonic acid (dissolved carbon dioxide) in the water. The remedy, the company rep continued, is to let the water sit overnight so the carbon dioxide can dissipate -- and THEN test the water the next morning. So I followed their advice. I electrolyzed the water at the second setting and the highest setting, let the two containers of water sit overnight, and then retested the pH the next morning. There was no difference between the night before and the next morning. The highest pH was still about 6.6. Here are the mysteries: 1) Why would changing the water pressure (narrowing the mouth of the cartridge on Machine #1) create a difference in pH? 2) Why didn't the carbon dioxide escape from the open water? 3) If the carbon dioxide didn't escape from the open water, it's possible that the acidic readings weren't the result of carbonic acid. If not, what was creating the acid? All this leads to yet another issue: Obviously, we're going to filter our water to get rid of sediment and chemicals. But drinking acidic water is out of the question. What can we put into the water to raise the pH? I experimented with putting 50% concentrated pharmaceutical grade potassium hydroxide into the acidic water. I had to use at least four drops to get the water to an acceptably alkaline level (it only gets to about 7.2)..But now there is an unpleasant taste to the water. I really liked using the Singer when the results were working. Alkaline water is wonderfully sweet and has great energy. But any water electrolysis unit produces results that are only as good as the water that feeds it. My only other option is to make distilled water, and add minerals to it for drinking. Technically, distilled water has a pH of 7.0 because it doesn't contain minerals. However, in reality this rarely is the case, because as soon as distilled water is exposed to the air it violently reacts with carbon dioxide and becomes acidic. For instance, I once tested the pH of distilled water that was freshly made with a friend's distiller, and the pH was only 6.2. Nevertheless, I ordered a distiller and expect it next week. I don't know what pH this unit will create. Hopefully, the pH will be closer to 7.0 than not. Even if the pH is 6.8, it's exponentially *much* better than even 6.6 -- and I'll be able to add *less* potassium hydroxide to get it to the pH I want. However, I don't know the ramifications of drinking potassium hydroxide on a regular basis. I figure that if the water tastes bad, that's an indicator that something is wrong. So your intelligent suggestions are welcome. (All you Sherlock Holmes chemists, put on your thinking caps! I hope I have been clear in explaining the situation. Thanks in advance for your help. Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD author, The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing and The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy http://www.nenahsylver.com Holistic health products, supplements and services -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address
Re: CSRequested: advice on water from chemistry-minded folks
Hi Nenah, May you be very happy in your new home. Have you tried connecting well water straight into the Ionizer? To test whether the filter is the culprit. I can think of two potential problems. 1/ Something has got into the ionizer causing a problem, possibly blocking a port or covering an electrode or sensor. 2/ The new filter is functionally different so that the water leaving the filter is now strongly buffered by passing through the filter. I can only imagine that slowing the water flow would cause the electrolysis process to be 'better' or 'stronger' hth, Tony On 6 Feb 2005 at 19:57, Nenah Sylver wrote: Dear People, I have a challenge with my water system and would like your input, especially from the chemistry-minded folk of this list. In November I moved my home and office 6 miles to an even more remote country location. The house's water supply is fed by a well. The water's pH tests at around 6.2, much too acidic to drink (it should be at least a neutral 7.0). As with my prior location, the water purification setup at my new locale consists of two countertop water treatment units. The first is a simple filter with coconut shell, to remove the particulate matter -- and save wear and tear on the second water unit. The second water unit is a Singer Ionizer Plus, which electrolizes the water and sends the acid and alkaline fluids to separate chambers. You drink the alkaline water and use the acidic water externally (the skin is acidic and really benefits from the acid water). At my new location, the electrolyzed water initially tested from about 7.2 to 8.6, depending on the low or high settings of the Singer electrolysis system. The alkaline water tasted sweet and felt smooth. However, then we needed to replace the cartridge in Unit #1. The company that makes the first unit redesigned the cartridge and now we're having water problems. The mouth on both ends of the cartridge is much narrower than before. Presumably, this has lowered the pressure of the water flowing into the Singer. So now, even with the Singer unit on the highest setting, the water's pH doesn't get much higher than 6.6. The manufacturer of Unit #1 (the one that changed the cartridge) doesn't want to talk to us because we're not a large account. But someone at the Singer dealership did talk to us. We were told that well water is tricky to test for pH, because often there's carbonic acid (dissolved carbon dioxide) in the water. The remedy, the company rep continued, is to let the water sit overnight so the carbon dioxide can dissipate -- and THEN test the water the next morning. So I followed their advice. I electrolyzed the water at the second setting and the highest setting, let the two containers of water sit overnight, and then retested the pH the next morning. There was no difference between the night before and the next morning. The highest pH was still about 6.6. Here are the mysteries: 1) Why would changing the water pressure (narrowing the mouth of the cartridge on Machine #1) create a difference in pH? 2) Why didn't the carbon dioxide escape from the open water? 3) If the carbon dioxide didn't escape from the open water, it's possible that the acidic readings weren't the result of carbonic acid. If not, what was creating the acid? All this leads to yet another issue: Obviously, we're going to filter our water to get rid of sediment and chemicals. But drinking acidic water is out of the question. What can we put into the water to raise the pH? I experimented with putting 50% concentrated pharmaceutical grade potassium hydroxide into the acidic water. I had to use at least four drops to get the water to an acceptably alkaline level (it only gets to about 7.2)..But now there is an unpleasant taste to the water. I really liked using the Singer when the results were working. Alkaline water is wonderfully sweet and has great energy. But any water electrolysis unit produces results that are only as good as the water that feeds it. My only other option is to make distilled water, and add minerals to it for drinking. Technically, distilled water has a pH of 7.0 because it doesn't contain minerals. However, in reality this rarely is the case, because as soon as distilled water is exposed to the air it violently reacts with carbon dioxide and becomes acidic. For instance, I once tested the pH of distilled water that was freshly made with a friend's distiller, and the pH was only 6.2. Nevertheless, I ordered a distiller and expect it next week. I don't know what pH this unit will create. Hopefully, the pH will be closer to 7.0 than not. Even if the pH is 6.8, it's exponentially *much* better than even 6.6 -- and I'll be able to add *less* potassium hydroxide to get it to the pH I want. However, I don't know the ramifications of drinking potassium hydroxide on a regular basis. I figure that if the water tastes bad, that's an
