CSRe: CSSwimming Pool Silver Wxperiment Update:
Lola, I'd love to hear more about using hydrogen peroxide in place of chlorine in a pool. Feel free to contact me @ jwrobel0...@oh.rr.com PLEASE. I could do without the pool but the wife insists. Not to mention she has survived breast cancer. Sent from my Virgin Mobile Android-Powered Device - Reply message - From: phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSSwimming Pool Silver Wxperiment Update: Date: Mon, Jul 8, 2013 8:18 pm Just a suggestion. I worked for a company that manufactured, installed and maintained pools, both chlorinated and baquacil types. One test we always ran was for tds total dissolved solids. This was always helpful because we could compare previous readings to present ones and could often forestall an algae 'bloom'. Point being, with a tds meter, you could test various buckets and, even if they seemed 'eye clean', the tds readings might tell a very different story. So, in addition to eyeballing.. getting and using a tds meter might give you more accuracy. Have you thought about using a baquacil like product (hydrogen peroxide base) for your pool? Start up is a little more expensive but it is very easy to maintain and gives 24 hr bacteria 'kill', doesn't evaporate, and is very kind to eyes, bathing suits, skin, hair and pool linings. and never needs 'shocking'. Lola H. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:23 PM, David AuBuchon davidra...@yahoo.com wrote: I've been conducting an experiment to see if silver can maintain a swilling pool standalone. I have 8 buckets, each 4 gallons in size. Four of the buckets have water taken from the pool (chlorinated). The other 4 are tap water. I have added no silver, 10ppb silver, 30ppb silver, and 70ppb silver to each of the four buckets, for both tap water and pool water cases respectively. There is also a 9th bucket with tap water plus 10ppb silver plus 2.4ppm peroxide. The source of silver used is silveroxide powder dissolved in concentrated solutions of citric acid, forming presumably silver citrate. Measuring silver down to the ppb takes some work and some serial dilution. It was quite a pain.. It has been about 3 weeks into the experiment now. Thus far, none of the 4 pool water buckets has obviously visible scum growing. However, all 5 of the tap water buckets show sign of some green junk (I guess algae) growing in the bucket. The tap water with no added silver does clearly have much more scum growing in it than the other buckets, so there is clearly a substantial benefit to the silver. One strange thing is that the bucket with tap water and 10ppb silver has the least growth as compared to tap water with higher concentrations of silver (30ppb and 70ppb). The tap water plus 10ppb silver plus 2.4ppm peroxide also has more growth in comparison. I am taking both of these last two observations to be a fluke. We allowed junk to just fall into the bucket. So there are some dead flies, plant debris etc. Every few days we had to add tap water to make up for evaporation. The question is what to do now? The obvious thought is to add silver at much higher concentrations and wait for an obvious reversal of the growth to be seen upon doing so. How high a silver concentration would one be willing to swim in? It would probably be therapeutic to swim in 10PPM silver! I presume most of the silver is forming clumps of silver compounds like silver chloride and staying in colloidal suspension. Swimming in high concentrations of such silver should not pose argyria risk, wouldn't you think? My plan has been to find a functional level, then just add some silver each month - enough so you are sure it makes up for any lost silver that last month. Then do a worst case calculation for seeing how high the lifelong silver content in the pool could go, and conclude that even that upper bound is safe. Comments appreciated. I would really like this work in swimming pools. I have a dream of turning a swimming pool into a functional water storage that could be further processed to make it drinkable. David
RE: CSRe: CSSwimming Pool Silver Wxperiment Update:
I ran a Hydrogen peroxide pool for about 3 months and then got the dreaded pink slime. Back to using chlorine for me. Chlorine is certainly the easiest. From: Chev. John J. Wrobel [mailto:jwrobel0...@oh.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 2:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: CSSwimming Pool Silver Wxperiment Update: Lola, I'd love to hear more about using hydrogen peroxide in place of chlorine in a pool. Feel free to contact me @ jwrobel0...@oh.rr.com PLEASE. I could do without the pool but the wife insists. Not to mention she has survived breast cancer. Sent from my Virgin Mobile Android-Powered Device - Reply message - From: phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSSwimming Pool Silver Wxperiment Update: Date: Mon, Jul 8, 2013 8:18 pm Just a suggestion. I worked for a company that manufactured, installed and maintained pools, both chlorinated and baquacil types. One test we always ran was for tds total dissolved solids. This was always helpful because we could compare previous readings to present ones and could often forestall an algae 'bloom'. Point being, with a tds meter, you could test various buckets and, even if they seemed 'eye clean', the tds readings might tell a very different story. So, in addition to eyeballing.. getting and using a tds meter might give you more accuracy. Have you thought about using a baquacil like product (hydrogen peroxide base) for your pool? Start up is a little more expensive but it is very easy to maintain and gives 24 hr bacteria 'kill', doesn't evaporate, and is very kind to eyes, bathing suits, skin, hair and pool linings. and never needs 'shocking'.Lola H. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:23 PM, David AuBuchon davidra...@yahoo.com wrote: I've been conducting an experiment to see if silver can maintain a swilling pool standalone. I have 8 buckets, each 4 gallons in size. Four of the buckets have water taken from the pool (chlorinated). The other 4 are tap water. I have added no silver, 10ppb silver, 30ppb silver, and 70ppb silver to each of the four buckets, for both tap water and pool water cases respectively. There is also a 9th bucket with tap water plus 10ppb silver plus 2.4ppm peroxide. The source of silver used is silveroxide powder dissolved in concentrated solutions of citric acid, forming presumably silver citrate. Measuring silver down to the ppb takes some work and some serial dilution. It was quite a pain.. It has been about 3 weeks into the experiment now. Thus far, none of the 4 pool water buckets has obviously visible scum growing. However, all 5 of the tap water buckets show sign of some green junk (I guess algae) growing in the bucket. The tap water with no added silver does clearly have much more scum growing in it than the other buckets, so there is clearly a substantial benefit to the silver. One strange thing is that the bucket with tap water and 10ppb silver has the least growth as compared to tap water with higher concentrations of silver (30ppb and 70ppb). The tap water plus 10ppb silver plus 2.4ppm peroxide also has more growth in comparison. I am taking both of these last two observations to be a fluke. We allowed junk to just fall into the bucket. So there are some dead flies, plant debris etc. Every few days we had to add tap water to make up for evaporation. The question is what to do now? The obvious thought is to add silver at much higher concentrations and wait for an obvious reversal of the growth to be seen upon doing so. How high a silver concentration would one be willing to swim in? It would probably be therapeutic to swim in 10PPM silver! I presume most of the silver is forming clumps of silver compounds like silver chloride and staying in colloidal suspension. Swimming in high concentrations of such silver should not pose argyria risk, wouldn't you think? My plan has been to find a functional level, then just add some silver each month - enough so you are sure it makes up for any lost silver that last month. Then do a worst case calculation for seeing how high the lifelong silver content in the pool could go, and conclude that even that upper bound is safe. Comments appreciated. I would really like this work in swimming pools. I have a dream of turning a swimming pool into a functional water storage that could be further processed to make it drinkable. David
CSSwimming Pool Silver Wxperiment Update:
I've been conducting an experiment to see if silver can maintain a swilling pool standalone. I have 8 buckets, each 4 gallons in size. Four of the buckets have water taken from the pool (chlorinated). The other 4 are tap water. I have added no silver, 10ppb silver, 30ppb silver, and 70ppb silver to each of the four buckets, for both tap water and pool water cases respectively. There is also a 9th bucket with tap water plus 10ppb silver plus 2.4ppm peroxide. The source of silver used is silveroxide powder dissolved in concentrated solutions of citric acid, forming presumably silver citrate. Measuring silver down to the ppb takes some work and some serial dilution. It was quite a pain. It has been about 3 weeks into the experiment now. Thus far, none of the 4 pool water buckets has obviously visible scum growing. However, all 5 of the tap water buckets show sign of some green junk (I guess algae) growing in the bucket. The tap water with no added silver does clearly have much more scum growing in it than the other buckets, so there is clearly a substantial benefit to the silver. One strange thing is that the bucket with tap water and 10ppb silver has the least growth as compared to tap water with higher concentrations of silver (30ppb and 70ppb). The tap water plus 10ppb silver plus 2.4ppm peroxide also has more growth in comparison. I am taking both of these last two observations to be a fluke. We allowed junk to just fall into the bucket. So there are some dead flies, plant debris etc. Every few days we had to add tap water to make up for evaporation. The question is what to do now? The obvious thought is to add silver at much higher concentrations and wait for an obvious reversal of the growth to be seen upon doing so. How high a silver concentration would one be willing to swim in? It would probably be therapeutic to swim in 10PPM silver! I presume most of the silver is forming clumps of silver compounds like silver chloride and staying in colloidal suspension. Swimming in high concentrations of such silver should not pose argyria risk, wouldn't you think? My plan has been to find a functional level, then just add some silver each month - enough so you are sure it makes up for any lost silver that last month. Then do a worst case calculation for seeing how high the lifelong silver content in the pool could go, and conclude that even that upper bound is safe. Comments appreciated. I would really like this work in swimming pools. I have a dream of turning a swimming pool into a functional water storage that could be further processed to make it drinkable. David
RE: CSSwimming Pool Silver Wxperiment Update:
I used to have a swimming pool that I installed an ionizer consisting of 2 silver bars mounted on a plastic pipe with low voltage dc. I never had to use chlorine. The PH stayed in range too bu the maintenance was high because the plastic pipe couldn't take the heat and would warp. Thanks, Jim From: David AuBuchon [mailto:davidra...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 4:24 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSSwimming Pool Silver Wxperiment Update: I've been conducting an experiment to see if silver can maintain a swilling pool standalone. I have 8 buckets, each 4 gallons in size. Four of the buckets have water taken from the pool (chlorinated). The other 4 are tap water. I have added no silver, 10ppb silver, 30ppb silver, and 70ppb silver to each of the four buckets, for both tap water and pool water cases respectively. There is also a 9th bucket with tap water plus 10ppb silver plus 2.4ppm peroxide. The source of silver used is silveroxide powder dissolved in concentrated solutions of citric acid, forming presumably silver citrate. Measuring silver down to the ppb takes some work and some serial dilution. It was quite a pain. It has been about 3 weeks into the experiment now. Thus far, none of the 4 pool water buckets has obviously visible scum growing. However, all 5 of the tap water buckets show sign of some green junk (I guess algae) growing in the bucket. The tap water with no added silver does clearly have much more scum growing in it than the other buckets, so there is clearly a substantial benefit to the silver. One strange thing is that the bucket with tap water and 10ppb silver has the least growth as compared to tap water with higher concentrations of silver (30ppb and 70ppb). The tap water plus 10ppb silver plus 2.4ppm peroxide also has more growth in comparison. I am taking both of these last two observations to be a fluke. We allowed junk to just fall into the bucket. So there are some dead flies, plant debris etc. Every few days we had to add tap water to make up for evaporation. The question is what to do now? The obvious thought is to add silver at much higher concentrations and wait for an obvious reversal of the growth to be seen upon doing so. How high a silver concentration would one be willing to swim in? It would probably be therapeutic to swim in 10PPM silver! I presume most of the silver is forming clumps of silver compounds like silver chloride and staying in colloidal suspension. Swimming in high concentrations of such silver should not pose argyria risk, wouldn't you think? My plan has been to find a functional level, then just add some silver each month - enough so you are sure it makes up for any lost silver that last month. Then do a worst case calculation for seeing how high the lifelong silver content in the pool could go, and conclude that even that upper bound is safe. Comments appreciated. I would really like this work in swimming pools. I have a dream of turning a swimming pool into a functional water storage that could be further processed to make it drinkable. David
Re: CSSwimming Pool Silver Wxperiment Update:
Just a suggestion. I worked for a company that manufactured, installed and maintained pools, both chlorinated and baquacil types. One test we always ran was for tds total dissolved solids. This was always helpful because we could compare previous readings to present ones and could often forestall an algae 'bloom'. Point being, with a tds meter, you could test various buckets and, even if they seemed 'eye clean', the tds readings might tell a very different story. So, in addition to eyeballing.. getting and using a tds meter might give you more accuracy. Have you thought about using a baquacil like product (hydrogen peroxide base) for your pool? Start up is a little more expensive but it is very easy to maintain and gives 24 hr bacteria 'kill', doesn't evaporate, and is very kind to eyes, bathing suits, skin, hair and pool linings. and never needs 'shocking'.Lola H. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:23 PM, David AuBuchon davidra...@yahoo.com wrote: I've been conducting an experiment to see if silver can maintain a swilling pool standalone. I have 8 buckets, each 4 gallons in size. Four of the buckets have water taken from the pool (chlorinated). The other 4 are tap water. I have added no silver, 10ppb silver, 30ppb silver, and 70ppb silver to each of the four buckets, for both tap water and pool water cases respectively. There is also a 9th bucket with tap water plus 10ppb silver plus 2.4ppm peroxide. The source of silver used is silveroxide powder dissolved in concentrated solutions of citric acid, forming presumably silver citrate. Measuring silver down to the ppb takes some work and some serial dilution. It was quite a pain. It has been about 3 weeks into the experiment now. Thus far, none of the 4 pool water buckets has obviously visible scum growing. However, all 5 of the tap water buckets show sign of some green junk (I guess algae) growing in the bucket. The tap water with no added silver does clearly have much more scum growing in it than the other buckets, so there is clearly a substantial benefit to the silver. One strange thing is that the bucket with tap water and 10ppb silver has the least growth as compared to tap water with higher concentrations of silver (30ppb and 70ppb). The tap water plus 10ppb silver plus 2.4ppm peroxide also has more growth in comparison. I am taking both of these last two observations to be a fluke. We allowed junk to just fall into the bucket. So there are some dead flies, plant debris etc. Every few days we had to add tap water to make up for evaporation. The question is what to do now? The obvious thought is to add silver at much higher concentrations and wait for an obvious reversal of the growth to be seen upon doing so. How high a silver concentration would one be willing to swim in? It would probably be therapeutic to swim in 10PPM silver! I presume most of the silver is forming clumps of silver compounds like silver chloride and staying in colloidal suspension. Swimming in high concentrations of such silver should not pose argyria risk, wouldn't you think? My plan has been to find a functional level, then just add some silver each month - enough so you are sure it makes up for any lost silver that last month. Then do a worst case calculation for seeing how high the lifelong silver content in the pool could go, and conclude that even that upper bound is safe. Comments appreciated. I would really like this work in swimming pools. I have a dream of turning a swimming pool into a functional water storage that could be further processed to make it drinkable. David
