Re: CScivility
--On 8 November 2007 11:45:27 -0600 Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: civilization, noun. 1. civilized condition; advanced stage in social development. This has nothing to do with anyone's emotions: rather, it depends on us to try to restrain our emotions to avoid putting an unnecessary burden on others. There are many ways to state a point of view, and being considerate of another person is our duty as a citizen. MMm, I see what you mean and so agree, but not wholly. Our emotions must be expressed in some manner, face or words, to carry force of personal truth. These are part of discourse and are to be tolerated. Excessive emotion may be overbearing. We think of something obvious, demanding, noisy, yes? Yet, in civilised discourse (expanding on the idea of exchanging *points of view*), what we frequently let pass in order to save confrontation, but condemn if we are yet able to see it, is slyness. We think of something not obvious, stealthy, sly, quiet, seemingly undemanding? Sometimes we don't see slyness, but we feel something amiss, but fail to ponder and discover it to deal with it. If we do not condemn it however, slyness is far more corrosive. Because emotions as noise or demonstration are just that and not corrosion. Slyness is cold. JOhn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScivility
Well said Kathryn. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Clayton Family Date: 08/11/2007 17:51:14 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScivility Every elder member of my family would not agree that everyone has the right to be rude to others. The basis of civilization is civility: World Book Dictionary: As my dear Grandmother used to say When in doubt, apply the Golden Rule. Kathryn
Re: CScivility
Gee Faith, you ain't dumb a'tall ! Bravo. Ode At 01:07 PM 11/8/2007 -0500, you wrote: I have dictionaries of my own and I know how to use them. Of course the Golden Rule is wonderful , but then it can be twisted out of recognition when altered to fit [self] indulgent demands. Faith G - Original Message - From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: Re: CScivility Every elder member of my family would not agree that everyone has the right to be rude to others. The basis of civilization is civility: World Book Dictionary: civility, noun, pl. -ties. 1. polite behavior; courtesy; consideration. Ex. Thank you for your civility in replying to my letter so promptly. (SYN) politeness. 2. an act or expression of politeness or courtesy. 3. (Archaic.) the state of being civilized; freedom from barbarity; civilization. 4. (Archaic.) a. polite or liberal education; training in the humanities. b. good breeding; culture; refinement. civilization, noun. 1. civilized condition; advanced stage in social development. This has nothing to do with anyone's emotions: rather, it depends on us to try to restrain our emotions to avoid putting an unnecessary burden on others. There are many ways to state a point of view, and being considerate of another person is our duty as a citizen. Having a spirited debate does not mean dumping on people. Feeling passionate about a subject demands that we be even more vigilant concerning our words, it does not excuse us from being polite, good citizens. When one speaks about personal responsibility, it begins with our own thoughts and words. It is generally assumed that in a polite gathering, one is not bent on offending others. It becomes those listening to assume that no offense is intended, and to look for the meaning behind the words, ie, what the person is really trying to say. It became quite clear over the course of the conversation that Simon had no concern for the feelings of others- in other words, he was not behaving in a civilized fashion, by the above definition. I thought he said that he is who he is, and whoever does not like it can lump it, even the list owner. That is why he got bounced. Not everyone has the background to accept criticism and verbal abuse. Especially not the weak and ill, and especially when they are coming to this group specifically FOR help. As my dear Grandmother used to say When in doubt, apply the Golden Rule. Kathryn On Nov 8, 2007, at 8:05 AM, faith gagne wrote: I do not agree at all. I do not demand that others treat me exactly the way I need to be treated in order for me to feel good about myself. This places quite a burden on friends, neighbors and the entire world, and it does not require me to make any effort at all to understand where other people are coming from. To insist that all others dance in attendance to my emotional wants and needs places a HUGE demand on the rest of the world. To automatically assume that the other person sees me as dumb is a construct of my own thinking designed to keep my demands in place and up front. Nobody lives between my ears but me. I'm in there all by myself so I cannot blame other people for what emerges from my own thinking.. I may not always agree with what the other person has to say and I may not even like what the other person has to say, but I'd damned well better love their RIGHT to say it because I cannot muzzle the next guy without muzzling myself at the same time. We cause as much pain in the world when we take offense as when we give it. Faith G - Original Message - From: Dee To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:22 AM Subject: Re: CSSimon aka Charles is gone... I agree totally with you Mary Ann, civility costs nothing and it is surely a positive thing to make people feel good rather than the opposite, no matter how clever one may think one is, or how dumb one may think the other person is! Dee ---Original Message--- From: marmar...@bellsouth.net Date: 07/11/2007 17:43:08 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSSimon aka Charles is gone... Boy -- I've got to respectfully disagree with this Mike. And pardon me for speaking out --I've been sitting on my hands thinking that I should be the one to be silent now. But that's what's wrong with our world -- the ones who object remain silent. The measure of any group of people in society -- cyber-society included -- is the level of behavior of the least of that society. If it is required of polite people to become thick-skinned and tolerate bad behavior, then everyone loses because as we become that way we also become insensitive to our own behavior towards others. Isn't that a slippery slope? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message
Re: CScivility
What's tall got to do with it? Anyway, we gotta have Faith... Chuck Sub-space communications--the next best thing to beaming there On 11/9/2007 10:57:54 AM, Ode Coyote (odecoy...@alltel.net) wrote: Gee Faith, you ain't dumb a'tall ! Bravo. Ode At 01:07 PM 11/8/2007 -0500, you wrote: I have dictionaries of my own and I know how to use them. Of course the Golden Rule is wonderful , but then it can be twisted out of recognition when altered to fit [self] indulgent demands. Faith G -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScivility
Every elder member of my family would not agree that everyone has the right to be rude to others. The basis of civilization is civility: World Book Dictionary: civility, noun, pl. -ties. 1. polite behavior; courtesy; consideration. Ex. Thank you for your civility in replying to my letter so promptly. (SYN) politeness. 2. an act or expression of politeness or courtesy. 3. (Archaic.) the state of being civilized; freedom from barbarity; civilization. 4. (Archaic.) a. polite or liberal education; training in the humanities. b. good breeding; culture; refinement. civilization, noun. 1. civilized condition; advanced stage in social development. This has nothing to do with anyone's emotions: rather, it depends on us to try to restrain our emotions to avoid putting an unnecessary burden on others. There are many ways to state a point of view, and being considerate of another person is our duty as a citizen. Having a spirited debate does not mean dumping on people. Feeling passionate about a subject demands that we be even more vigilant concerning our words, it does not excuse us from being polite, good citizens. When one speaks about personal responsibility, it begins with our own thoughts and words. It is generally assumed that in a polite gathering, one is not bent on offending others. It becomes those listening to assume that no offense is intended, and to look for the meaning behind the words, ie, what the person is really trying to say. It became quite clear over the course of the conversation that Simon had no concern for the feelings of others- in other words, he was not behaving in a civilized fashion, by the above definition. I thought he said that he is who he is, and whoever does not like it can lump it, even the list owner. That is why he got bounced. Not everyone has the background to accept criticism and verbal abuse. Especially not the weak and ill, and especially when they are coming to this group specifically FOR help. As my dear Grandmother used to say When in doubt, apply the Golden Rule. Kathryn On Nov 8, 2007, at 8:05 AM, faith gagne wrote: I do not agree at all. I do not demand that others treat me exactly the way I need to be treated in order for me to feel good about myself. This places quite a burden on friends, neighbors and the entire world, and it does not require me to make any effort at all to understand where other people are coming from. To insist that all others dance in attendance to my emotional wants and needs places a HUGE demand on the rest of the world. To automatically assume that the other person sees me as dumb is a construct of my own thinking designed to keep my demands in place and up front. Nobody lives between my ears but me. I'm in there all by myself so I cannot blame other people for what emerges from my own thinking.. I may not always agree with what the other person has to say and I may not even like what the other person has to say, but I'd damned well better love their RIGHT to say it because I cannot muzzle the next guy without muzzling myself at the same time. We cause as much pain in the world when we take offense as when we give it. Faith G - Original Message - From: Dee To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:22 AM Subject: Re: CSSimon aka Charles is gone... I agree totally with you Mary Ann, civility costs nothing and it is surely a positive thing to make people feel good rather than the opposite, no matter how clever one may think one is, or how dumb one may think the other person is! Dee ---Original Message--- From: marmar...@bellsouth.net Date: 07/11/2007 17:43:08 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSSimon aka Charles is gone... Boy -- I've got to respectfully disagree with this Mike. And pardon me for speaking out --I've been sitting on my hands thinking that I should be the one to be silent now. But that's what's wrong with our world -- the ones who object remain silent. The measure of any group of people in society -- cyber-society included -- is the level of behavior of the least of that society. If it is required of polite people to become thick-skinned and tolerate bad behavior, then everyone loses because as we become that way we also become insensitive to our own behavior towards others. Isn't that a slippery slope? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScivility
I have dictionaries of my own and I know how to use them. Of course the Golden Rule is wonderful , but then it can be twisted out of recognition when altered to fit indulgent demands. Faith G - Original Message - From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: Re: CScivility Every elder member of my family would not agree that everyone has the right to be rude to others. The basis of civilization is civility: World Book Dictionary: civility, noun, pl. -ties. 1. polite behavior; courtesy; consideration. Ex. Thank you for your civility in replying to my letter so promptly. (SYN) politeness. 2. an act or expression of politeness or courtesy. 3. (Archaic.) the state of being civilized; freedom from barbarity; civilization. 4. (Archaic.) a. polite or liberal education; training in the humanities. b. good breeding; culture; refinement. civilization, noun. 1. civilized condition; advanced stage in social development. This has nothing to do with anyone's emotions: rather, it depends on us to try to restrain our emotions to avoid putting an unnecessary burden on others. There are many ways to state a point of view, and being considerate of another person is our duty as a citizen. Having a spirited debate does not mean dumping on people. Feeling passionate about a subject demands that we be even more vigilant concerning our words, it does not excuse us from being polite, good citizens. When one speaks about personal responsibility, it begins with our own thoughts and words. It is generally assumed that in a polite gathering, one is not bent on offending others. It becomes those listening to assume that no offense is intended, and to look for the meaning behind the words, ie, what the person is really trying to say. It became quite clear over the course of the conversation that Simon had no concern for the feelings of others- in other words, he was not behaving in a civilized fashion, by the above definition. I thought he said that he is who he is, and whoever does not like it can lump it, even the list owner. That is why he got bounced. Not everyone has the background to accept criticism and verbal abuse. Especially not the weak and ill, and especially when they are coming to this group specifically FOR help. As my dear Grandmother used to say When in doubt, apply the Golden Rule. Kathryn On Nov 8, 2007, at 8:05 AM, faith gagne wrote: I do not agree at all. I do not demand that others treat me exactly the way I need to be treated in order for me to feel good about myself. This places quite a burden on friends, neighbors and the entire world, and it does not require me to make any effort at all to understand where other people are coming from. To insist that all others dance in attendance to my emotional wants and needs places a HUGE demand on the rest of the world. To automatically assume that the other person sees me as dumb is a construct of my own thinking designed to keep my demands in place and up front. Nobody lives between my ears but me. I'm in there all by myself so I cannot blame other people for what emerges from my own thinking.. I may not always agree with what the other person has to say and I may not even like what the other person has to say, but I'd damned well better love their RIGHT to say it because I cannot muzzle the next guy without muzzling myself at the same time. We cause as much pain in the world when we take offense as when we give it. Faith G - Original Message - From: Dee To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:22 AM Subject: Re: CSSimon aka Charles is gone... I agree totally with you Mary Ann, civility costs nothing and it is surely a positive thing to make people feel good rather than the opposite, no matter how clever one may think one is, or how dumb one may think the other person is! Dee ---Original Message--- From: marmar...@bellsouth.net Date: 07/11/2007 17:43:08 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSSimon aka Charles is gone... Boy -- I've got to respectfully disagree with this Mike. And pardon me for speaking out --I've been sitting on my hands thinking that I should be the one to be silent now. But that's what's wrong with our world -- the ones who object remain silent. The measure of any group of people in society -- cyber-society included -- is the level of behavior of the least of that society. If it is required of polite people to become thick-skinned and tolerate bad behavior, then everyone loses because as we become that way we also become insensitive to our own behavior towards others. Isn't that a slippery slope? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver
Re: CScivility
On 11/8/2007 12:45:27 PM, Clayton Family (clay...@skypoint.com) wrote: As my dear Grandmother used to say When in doubt, apply the Golden Rule. Mine always said Ruler' Chuck Speak, friend, and enter. If you don't press enter, nothing happens. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScivility
My grandmother told me that it really doesn't matter what you want. What matters is what others want from you. You are not a world unto your self. - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: Re: CScivility On 11/8/2007 12:45:27 PM, Clayton Family (clay...@skypoint.com) wrote: As my dear Grandmother used to say When in doubt, apply the Golden Rule. Mine always said Ruler' Chuck Speak, friend, and enter. If you don't press enter, nothing happens. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScivility
LOL- Mine backed up her rules with the coat hanger... On Nov 8, 2007, at 2:18 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: On 11/8/2007 12:45:27 PM, Clayton Family (clay...@skypoint.com) wrote: As my dear Grandmother used to say When in doubt, apply the Golden Rule. Mine always said Ruler' Chuck Speak, friend, and enter. If you don't press enter, nothing happens. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
