Re: CSeves dropping
Back in the days of the IUFO list, we used to have key word tag lines so the NSA and Echelon WOULD listen in on our paranoid ramblings...just to keep them tied up. Anything secret and real we may have guessed or experienced..they already knew, so, so what? Got radar ranger? Spread some context chaff. Ode Bomb the Pentagon with silver confetti, kill death, peace mongers warring to end war, the white house is really purple, atomic reactor to the H responder, dirty bomb the bathtub ring, protest protestors, the military industrial is too complex, isolated suicide bombers make loud noises, Katrina my cat wins the ass trophy, National In Security Agency...etc At 09:26 AM 12/20/2005 -0800, you wrote: At 07:11 AM 12/20/2005, you wrote: You said it all, Ode! Thanks for an informational reply. I especially appreciated the historical context! I first learned about Echelon during the latter years of the Clinton administration, when I began to wake up and smell the coffee and also became adept at using the Internet. Big Brother also scans every single e-mail transmission. Heck, Rush was discussing yesterday that they can even lock onto transmissions of the baby monitors people have in their homes to listen to their infants from another room. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.2 - Release Date: 12/20/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSeves dropping
I like the kill death part. Jim -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 6:20 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSeves dropping Back in the days of the IUFO list, we used to have key word tag lines so the NSA and Echelon WOULD listen in on our paranoid ramblings...just to keep them tied up. Anything secret and real we may have guessed or experienced..they already knew, so, so what? Got radar ranger? Spread some context chaff. Ode Bomb the Pentagon with silver confetti, kill death, peace mongers warring to end war, the white house is really purple, atomic reactor to the H responder, dirty bomb the bathtub ring, protest protestors, the military industrial is too complex, isolated suicide bombers make loud noises, Katrina my cat wins the ass trophy, National In Security Agency...etc At 09:26 AM 12/20/2005 -0800, you wrote: At 07:11 AM 12/20/2005, you wrote: You said it all, Ode! Thanks for an informational reply. I especially appreciated the historical context! I first learned about Echelon during the latter years of the Clinton administration, when I began to wake up and smell the coffee and also became adept at using the Internet. Big Brother also scans every single e-mail transmission. Heck, Rush was discussing yesterday that they can even lock onto transmissions of the baby monitors people have in their homes to listen to their infants from another room. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.2 - Release Date: 12/20/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSeves dropping
Hi Jim, Another good one to use is Xray laser Take care, V I like the kill death part. Jim -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 6:20 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSeves dropping Back in the days of the IUFO list, we used to have key word tag lines so the NSA and Echelon WOULD listen in on our paranoid ramblings...just to keep them tied up. Anything secret and real we may have guessed or experienced..they already knew, so, so what? Got radar ranger? Spread some context chaff. Ode Bomb the Pentagon with silver confetti, kill death, peace mongers warring to end war, the white house is really purple, atomic reactor to the H responder, dirty bomb the bathtub ring, protest protestors, the military industrial is too complex, isolated suicide bombers make loud noises, Katrina my cat wins the ass trophy, National In Security Agency...etc At 09:26 AM 12/20/2005 -0800, you wrote: At 07:11 AM 12/20/2005, you wrote: You said it all, Ode! Thanks for an informational reply. I especially appreciated the historical context! I first learned about Echelon during the latter years of the Clinton administration, when I began to wake up and smell the coffee and also became adept at using the Internet. Big Brother also scans every single e-mail transmission. Heck, Rush was discussing yesterday that they can even lock onto transmissions of the baby monitors people have in their homes to listen to their infants from another room. -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSeves dropping
Big Brother also scans every single e-mail transmission. Heck, Rush was discussing yesterday that they can even lock onto transmissions of the baby monitors people have in their homes to listen to their infants from another room. Yup, monitor public email transmissions, but and in spite of all the bells and whistles, couldn't find WMD and still can't find Ossamma bin ladin. Right. - Best regards, Carol ___ Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life. The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them. -Al Einstein. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CSeves dropping
Get real! So what has the NSA top secret Echelon project [that so many people know about somehow] been doing for the past 40+ years other than scanning every satellite, Internet, radio, FAX and cell phone transmission that .suddenly makes it Bush's baby? Is this the Great Society legacy of Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson and the mobster smuggler Kennedys? Maybe not, but they sure didn't stop it. Echelons beginnings date from 1948. NSA started in 1952 under Harry Truman...another Democrat...and one of the main missions was to eavesdrop on steel mills to prevent a strike and everyone else later on using the Echelon system after the Supreme Court ruled that illegal..by placing control under a TOP SECRET agency [NSA] that doesn't report to the Supreme Court. The Crisis Mongers are apparently attempting to fill Georges can with their own crap legacy. Domestic Spying is most certainly not new news. Echelon listens to EVERYTHING in the air, all over the world. The only thing that George is doing differently is sharing the info with other agencies and not denying that the system exists. [but still doesn't utter the word Echelon] He also doesn't waste a lot of energy defending himself when he could and someone else would, were they in his shoes. The crisis mongers are confusing domestic wire taps with listening in to the public airwaves which is legal for anyone to do. Cell phone calls and police radios are regularly listened into by private individuals who own scanners. The only restrictions are about how the info is 'used' and there is a 72 hour window to get a retroactive warrant on info already collected should it be useful..which [so far as I can tell] includes domestic wire taps if the tap in not located inside a building. A warrant is obtained so the info can be used in court. Trans Oceanic cables are not domestic lines and anything broadcast is Public Domain. Planting bugs in a room is a different story being discussed with the advent of laser listening devices that don't attach to or enter into a building. Planting a bug requires a warrant to gain entry in order to plant the bug with no retroactive provision. There are no laws against anyone using a hearing aid, a vibrating window is a speaker and sounds broadcast in the air are Public Domain. Right or wrong aside Anyone with a desire to maintain privacy has known to use encryption and codes for a long long time. Ode [not a Rep OR a Dem] At 08:56 AM 12/20/2005 +0900, you wrote: Amen. According the mainstream news reports, President Bush has admitted his repeated and willful violations of the law in ordering spying on American citizens; according to AP, the FBI admits that most of the more than 10,000 were not suspected of any wrongdoing. Only a handful of persons knows the true purpose of these illegal actions. I would go so far as to assume that every person on our list may be monitored by someone. When the truth finally comes out, there may be some changes in government. On Monday, Dec 19, 2005, at 22:07 Asia/Tokyo, Tel Tofflemire wrote: Big brother is watching us all. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1 - Release Date: 12/19/2005
Re: CSeves dropping
Thank you, Ode! The more I check these kinds of things out, the more I realize how little people understand of how we got where we are. People don't remember that JFK was spying on Martin Luther King, and J.Edgar Hoover had files on EVERYBODY. Look, while I don't care for many of the things President Bush has done, this whole illegal spying thing is much ado about nothing. The more I learn, the more I absolutely agree with this policy as critical in intelligence-gathering. I did find it interesting to learn that the New York Times had this story for A YEAR before deciding to publish it last Friday. Wonder why they waited..well, it could have been that on Friday, it was a Trifects for them! 1) The Democrats and the media HATE that real progress is being made in Iraq, and will do anything to avoid talking about that progress. There was a 70% turnout for voting last week, despite fears of being shot at or polling places at risk for suicide bombers. Here, in the U.S., people don't vote if it RAINS, for heaven's sake! The New York Times, as the official mouthpiece of the Democratic Party, simply couldn't stand to give that story the time it deserved, and had to find something to get that off the front page. 2) Whether you like all aspects of the Patriot Act, or none of them, it is deeply disturbing to me that The New York Times would choose to release a controversial story about domestic spying, WHICH THEY HAD FOR A YEAR, on the very day that Congress is going to vote on extending the Act. Nobody will convince me that this was not done deliberately to influence the vote. 3) Funny that the source for this information is coming out with a book soon.. Linda Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net wrote: Get real! So what has the NSA top secret Echelon project [that so many people know about somehow] been doing for the past 40+ years other than scanning every satellite, Internet, radio, FAX and cell phone transmission that .suddenly makes it Bush's baby? Is this the Great Society legacy of Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson and the mobster smuggler Kennedys? Maybe not, but they sure didn't stop it. Echelons beginnings date from 1948. NSA started in 1952 under Harry Truman...another Democrat...and one of the main missions was to eavesdrop on steel mills to prevent a strike and everyone else later on using the Echelon system after the Supreme Court ruled that illegal..by placing control under a TOP SECRET agency [NSA] that doesn't report to the Supreme Court. The Crisis Mongers are apparently attempting to fill Georges can with their own crap legacy. Domestic Spying is most certainly not new news. Echelon listens to EVERYTHING in the air, all over the world. The only thing that George is doing differently is sharing the info with other agencies and not denying that the system exists. [but still doesn't utter the word Echelon] He also doesn't waste a lot of energy defending himself when he could and someone else would, were they in his shoes. The crisis mongers are confusing domestic wire taps with listening in to the public airwaves which is legal for anyone to do. Cell phone calls and police radios are regularly listened into by private individuals who own scanners. The only restrictions are about how the info is 'used' and there is a 72 hour window to get a retroactive warrant on info already collected should it be useful..which [so far as I can tell] includes domestic wire taps if the tap in not located inside a building. A warrant is obtained so the info can be used in court. Trans Oceanic cables are not domestic lines and anything broadcast is Public Domain. Planting bugs in a room is a different story being discussed with the advent of laser listening devices that don't attach to or enter into a building. Planting a bug requires a warrant to gain entry in order to plant the bug with no retroactive provision. There are no laws against anyone using a hearing aid, a vibrating window is a speaker and sounds broadcast in the air are Public Domain. Right or wrong aside Anyone with a desire to maintain privacy has known to use encryption and codes for a long long time. Ode [not a Rep OR a Dem] At 08:56 AM 12/20/2005 +0900, you wrote: Amen. According the mainstream news reports, President Bush has admitted his repeated and willful violations of the law in ordering spying on American citizens; according to AP, the FBI admits that most of the more than 10,000 were not suspected of any wrongdoing. Only a handful of persons knows the true purpose of these illegal actions. I would go so far as to assume that every person on our list may be monitored by someone. When the truth finally comes out, there may be some changes in government. On Monday, Dec 19, 2005, at 22:07 Asia/Tokyo, Tel Tofflemire wrote: Big brother is watching us all. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing
Re: CSeves dropping
At 07:11 AM 12/20/2005, you wrote: You said it all, Ode! Thanks for an informational reply. I especially appreciated the historical context! I first learned about Echelon during the latter years of the Clinton administration, when I began to wake up and smell the coffee and also became adept at using the Internet. Big Brother also scans every single e-mail transmission. Heck, Rush was discussing yesterday that they can even lock onto transmissions of the baby monitors people have in their homes to listen to their infants from another room. The snoopers look for key words in e-mails such as bo-mb, etc. Anything that might yield information about terrorism or presumably even political non-correctness re: the people in power could trigger the system and make one be fair game for perusal. My friend's son, who was and still is a computer guru told me all about it back then and I don't imagine they have become less sophisticated in the interim. They have had nearly 60 years to perfect the tools of their trade. And Senator Boxer, and others who have piled on and are sanctimoniously attacking Bush, know it! But it makes good political fodder for those listening to such attackers who want to believe the worst. The New York Times, the self-righteous Dems, and anyone who would put our country in jeopardy willingly in exchange for political advantage know what Simon and Garfunkel sang years ago is true -- a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest! Now, then, if they hear of a better way to make, use, and get the word out about CS, we will all give Echelon three cheers. Marlys Get real! So what has the NSA top secret Echelon project [that so many people know about somehow] been doing for the past 40+ years other than scanning every satellite, Internet, radio, FAX and cell phone transmission that .suddenly makes it Bush's baby? Is this the Great Society legacy of Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson and the mobster smuggler Kennedys? Maybe not, but they sure didn't stop it. Echelons beginnings date from 1948. NSA started in 1952 under Harry Truman...another Democrat...and one of the main missions was to eavesdrop on steel mills to prevent a strike and everyone else later on using the Echelon system after the Supreme Court ruled that illegal..by placing control under a TOP SECRET agency [NSA] that doesn't report to the Supreme Court. The Crisis Mongers are apparently attempting to fill Georges can with their own crap legacy. Domestic Spying is most certainly not new news. Echelon listens to EVERYTHING in the air, all over the world. The only thing that George is doing differently is sharing the info with other agencies and not denying that the system exists. [but still doesn't utter the word Echelon] He also doesn't waste a lot of energy defending himself when he could and someone else would, were they in his shoes. The crisis mongers are confusing domestic wire taps with listening in to the public airwaves which is legal for anyone to do. Cell phone calls and police radios are regularly listened into by private individuals who own scanners. The only restrictions are about how the info is 'used' and there is a 72 hour window to get a retroactive warrant on info already collected should it be useful..which [so far as I can tell] includes domestic wire taps if the tap in not located inside a building. A warrant is obtained so the info can be used in court. Trans Oceanic cables are not domestic lines and anything broadcast is Public Domain. Planting bugs in a room is a different story being discussed with the advent of laser listening devices that don't attach to or enter into a building. Planting a bug requires a warrant to gain entry in order to plant the bug with no retroactive provision. There are no laws against anyone using a hearing aid, a vibrating window is a speaker and sounds broadcast in the air are Public Domain. Right or wrong aside Anyone with a desire to maintain privacy has known to use encryption and codes for a long long time. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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E-mail Author Author Archive Send to a Friend Version December 20, 2005, 9:46 a.m. Clinton Claimed Authority to Order No-Warrant Searches Does anyone remember that? In a little-remembered debate from 1994, the Clinton administration argued that the president has inherent authority to order physical searches including break-ins at the homes of U.S. citizens for foreign intelligence purposes without any warrant or permission from any outside body. Even after the administration ultimately agreed with Congress's decision to place the authority to pre-approve such searches in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court, President Clinton still maintained that he had sufficient authority to order such searches on his own. The Department of Justice believes, and the case law supports, that the president has inherent authority to conduct warrantless physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes, Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee on July 14, 1994, and that the President may, as has been done, delegate this authority to the Attorney General. It is important to understand, Gorelick continued, that the rules and methodology for criminal searches are inconsistent with the collection of foreign intelligence and would unduly frustrate the president in carrying out his foreign intelligence responsibilities. Executive Order 12333, signed by Ronald Reagan in 1981, provides for such warrantless searches directed against a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power. Reporting the day after Gorelick's testimony, the Washington Post's headline on page A-19 read, Administration Backing No-Warrant Spy Searches. The story began, The Clinton administration, in a little-noticed facet of the debate on intelligence reforms, is seeking congressional authorization for U.S. spies to continue conducting clandestine searches at foreign embassies in Washington and other cities without a federal court order. The administration's quiet lobbying effort is aimed at modifying draft legislation that would require U.S. counterintelligence officials to get a court order before secretly snooping inside the homes or workplaces of suspected foreign agents or foreign powers. In her testimony, Gorelick made clear that the president believed he had the power to order warrantless searches for the purpose of gathering intelligence, even if there was no reason to believe that the search might uncover evidence of a crime. Intelligence is often long range, its exact targets are more difficult to identify, and its focus is less precise, Gorelick said. Information gathering for policy making and prevention, rather than prosecution, are its primary focus. The debate over warrantless searches came up after the case of CIA spy Aldrich Ames. Authorities had searched Ames's house without a warrant, and the Justice Department feared that Ames's lawyers would challenge the search in court. Meanwhile, Congress began discussing a measure under which the authorization for break-ins would be handled like the authorization for wiretaps, that is, by the FISA court. In her testimony, Gorelick signaled that the administration would go along a congressional decision to place such searches under the court if, as she testified, it does not restrict the president's ability to collect foreign intelligence necessary for the national security. In the end, Congress placed the searches under the FISA court, but the Clinton administration did not back down from its contention that the president had the authority to act when necessary.
RE: CSeves dropping
It is important that we share this sort of info. But this belongs on the OT list. Jim -Original Message- From: Linda Ellis [mailto:lellis4...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 11:09 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSeves dropping http://www.nationalreview.com/images/page_2002_york.gif E-mail mailto:by...@nationalreview.com Author Author http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york-archive.asp Archive Send http://www.nationalreview.com/email_friend/email-friend.p to a Friend Version http://www.nationalreview.com/images/spacer.gif http://www.nationalreview.com/images/spacer.gif http://www.nationalreview.com/images/spacer.gif December 20, 2005, 9:46 a.m. Clinton Claimed Authority to Order No-Warrant Searches Does anyone remember that? In a little-remembered debate from 1994, the Clinton administration argued that the president has inherent authority to order physical searches - including break-ins at the homes of U.S. citizens - for foreign intelligence purposes without any warrant or permission from any outside body. Even after the administration ultimately agreed with Congress's decision to place the authority to pre-ap! prove such searches in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court, President Clinton still maintained that he had sufficient authority to order such searches on his own. The Department of Justice believes, and the case law supports, that the president has inherent authority to conduct warrantless physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes, Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee on July 14, 1994, and that the President may, as has been done, delegate this authority to the Attorney General. It is important to understand, Gorelick continued, that the rules and methodology for criminal searches are inconsistent with the collection of foreign intelligence and would unduly frustrate the president in carrying out his foreign intelligence responsibilities. Executive Order 12333, signed by Ronald Reagan in 1981, provides for such warrantless searches directed against a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power. Reporting the day after Gorelick's testimony, the Washington Post's headline - on page A-19 - read, Administration Backing No-Warrant Spy Searches. The story began, The Clinton administration, in a little-noticed facet of the debate on intelligence reforms, is seeking congressional authorization for U.S. spies to continue conducting clandestine searches at foreign embassies in Washington and other cities without a federal court order. The administration's quiet lobbying effort is aimed at modifying draft legislation that would require U.S. counterintelligence officials to get a court order before secretly snooping inside the homes or workplaces of suspected foreign agents or foreign powers. In her testimony, Gorelick made clear that the president believed he had the power to order warrantless searches for the purpose of gathering intel! ligence, even if there was no reason to believe that the search might uncover evidence of a crime. Intelligence is often long range, its exact targets are more difficult to identify, and its focus is less precise, Gorelick said. Information gathering for policy making and prevention, rather than prosecution, are its primary focus. The debate over warrantless searches came up after the case of CIA spy Aldrich Ames. Authorities had searched Ames's house without a warrant, and the Justice Department feared that Ames's lawyers would challenge the search in court. Meanwhile, Congress began discussing a measure under which the authorization for break-ins would be handled like the authorization for wiretaps, that is, by the FISA court. In her testimony, Gorelick signaled that the administration would go along a congressional decision to place such searches under the court - if, as she testified, it does not restrict the president's ability to collect foreign intelligence n! ecessary for the national security. In the end, Congress placed the searches under the FISA court, but the Clinton administration did not back down from its contention that the president had the authority to act when necessary.
