Re: CSFace to face with argyria...
When using the pinch of salt recipie, only a couple of grains of salt difference can make a HUGE difference in the strength of the product within the allotted time span. Add that to slight variences in water and you have Stan Jones differences. Silver Chloride is light sensitive. It is said that Silver Chloride is the result when ionic silver contacts stomach acid, but I've seen no proof that it is found in the blood stream. If Silver Chloride contacts stomach acid, what then? [I dunno] In fact, according to Frank Keys ion selective probe, no ionic silver is found in the bloodstream after consuming EIS. [Silver Chloride is an ionic form of silver.] What I find to be odd is that Frank doesn't say what sort of silver IS found in the blood stream. Researchers have had extreme problems with inducing Agyria in test subjects even when using toxic, nearly and sometimes fatal levels of Silver Nitrate. It's very likely that other factors are in play in combination with silver intake and it's not silver in itself, in any form, that causes the problem. When 94% of inhaled silver dust is eliminated within 48 hours, accounted for by testing body waste products, and the incidence of Agyria in silver workers who inhale silver all day every day is around 1 case in 2,000 workers according to one researcher who thought he could find some cases to study in that industry, but was mistaken one starts to wonder. What that researcher did find was no current cases of Agyria, a very few on record and a very low absenteeism rate from illness. [Study Reports found a long time ago by following the links posted on Rosemary Jacobs website, links now gone ] ode What makes their case of special importance to us is the way in which they acquired their condition: In the run-up to Y2K they began making and drinking CS using the primitive three 9V batteries and salt recipe which was widely disseminated on Y2K web sites and discussion forums at that time. Unlike Stan Jones or other recent cases, they followed the instructions exactly. They didn't over-cook it or drink a glass of muddy sludge every day, but made exactly what the promoters of that recipe intended for them to make. Please, tell me what you think? If you'd like to add to, correct, or endorse my thinking, send your comments along to the list. Discussion would be helpful. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 8/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 8/11/2006
RE: CSFace to face with argyria...
Dear David, As I get more of a chance to interview them I'll nail down the rest of the specifics. When I talked to them I was able to verify how they made it and how much they took each day. I'm not sure how many months or years they took it, though. Be well, Mike D. Hello Mike Can you be more specific about the time. Did they take it from pre-2000 up to the present day, or just for a couple of years in total? Thanks David Dear group, In another thread David wrote: Don't assume that someone who looks grey has been taking colloidal silver. It's more likely to be caused by heart medication. I will be interested to see how prevalent use and abuse of that heart medication will become, versus the relative frequency of argyria in the next few years. The reason for my remark is a case of argyria I've encountered: I recently met a mature couple (in their late fifties or sixties, I believe) who both developed argyria over the last few years. He has classic generalized pigmentation quite reminiscent of Rosemary Jacobs, and she has less intense coloration, except for a mask-like area around her mouth and chin which is darker. What makes their case of special importance to us is the way in which they acquired their condition: In the run-up to Y2K they began making and drinking CS using the primitive three 9V batteries and salt recipe which was widely disseminated on Y2K web sites and discussion forums at that time. Unlike Stan Jones or other recent cases, they followed the instructions exactly. They didn't over-cook it or drink a glass of muddy sludge every day, but made exactly what the promoters of that recipe intended for them to make. While other factors, such as a deficiency in selenium or vitamin E or the use of caffeine, may have increased their vulnerability to argyria, the only real mistake they made was they followed those instructions and drank a glass per day for a long enough time -- and turned blue. So, as stunning as it is to confront a genuine case of argyria in the flesh, the real message is that the old pinch of salt recipe is now well *proven* to be capable of producing generalized argyria, AND there may be a lot more cases developing in the aftermath of the Y2K phenomenon, just like these folks' did. This is the reason for some of my recent comments urging us to treat every new argyria report with complete seriousness and an absolute absence of defensiveness. Although we as a group abandoned the pinch of salt idea in favor of pure silver in water at low concentrations much earlier than the rest of the alternative health community, other people are *still* promoting that primitive process to this day. As I see it our task is four-fold: * Continue our efforts to promote low concentration silver preparations made with fine silver and pure water only. * Advocate the concurrent use of low-dose selenium and vitamin E in conjunction with *any* silver preparation. * Study and further develop the already successful argyria treatment protocol to maximize safety while retaining effectiveness in reversing the condition. * Provide that information to everyone who seeks it, taking the lead in helping argyria victims treat themselves. I was able to explain to this couple what happened. Until I did, they didn't know it was the silver that turned them blue. I also mentioned the successes we've seen in reversing it, and I will do what I can to help them in the months ahead, if they are willing. So, as for David's observation, although the pharmaceutical companies have now produced a heart medicine that might turn people blue, I'm afraid the number of legitimate argyria cases which will emerge in the next few years may not leave us much to sing about. Please, tell me what you think? If you'd like to add to, correct, or endorse my thinking, send your comments along to the list. Discussion would be helpful. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
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Hello Mike Can you be more specific about the time. Did they take it from pre-2000 up to the present day, or just for a couple of years in total? Thanks David Dear group, In another thread David wrote: Don't assume that someone who looks grey has been taking colloidal silver. It's more likely to be caused by heart medication. I will be interested to see how prevalent use and abuse of that heart medication will become, versus the relative frequency of argyria in the next few years. The reason for my remark is a case of argyria I've encountered: I recently met a mature couple (in their late fifties or sixties, I believe) who both developed argyria over the last few years. He has classic generalized pigmentation quite reminiscent of Rosemary Jacobs, and she has less intense coloration, except for a mask-like area around her mouth and chin which is darker. What makes their case of special importance to us is the way in which they acquired their condition: In the run-up to Y2K they began making and drinking CS using the primitive three 9V batteries and salt recipe which was widely disseminated on Y2K web sites and discussion forums at that time. Unlike Stan Jones or other recent cases, they followed the instructions exactly. They didn't over-cook it or drink a glass of muddy sludge every day, but made exactly what the promoters of that recipe intended for them to make. While other factors, such as a deficiency in selenium or vitamin E or the use of caffeine, may have increased their vulnerability to argyria, the only real mistake they made was they followed those instructions and drank a glass per day for a long enough time -- and turned blue. So, as stunning as it is to confront a genuine case of argyria in the flesh, the real message is that the old pinch of salt recipe is now well *proven* to be capable of producing generalized argyria, AND there may be a lot more cases developing in the aftermath of the Y2K phenomenon, just like these folks' did. This is the reason for some of my recent comments urging us to treat every new argyria report with complete seriousness and an absolute absence of defensiveness. Although we as a group abandoned the pinch of salt idea in favor of pure silver in water at low concentrations much earlier than the rest of the alternative health community, other people are *still* promoting that primitive process to this day. As I see it our task is four-fold: * Continue our efforts to promote low concentration silver preparations made with fine silver and pure water only. * Advocate the concurrent use of low-dose selenium and vitamin E in conjunction with *any* silver preparation. * Study and further develop the already successful argyria treatment protocol to maximize safety while retaining effectiveness in reversing the condition. * Provide that information to everyone who seeks it, taking the lead in helping argyria victims treat themselves. I was able to explain to this couple what happened. Until I did, they didn't know it was the silver that turned them blue. I also mentioned the successes we've seen in reversing it, and I will do what I can to help them in the months ahead, if they are willing. So, as for David's observation, although the pharmaceutical companies have now produced a heart medicine that might turn people blue, I'm afraid the number of legitimate argyria cases which will emerge in the next few years may not leave us much to sing about. Please, tell me what you think? If you'd like to add to, correct, or endorse my thinking, send your comments along to the list. Discussion would be helpful. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFace to face with argyria...
Mike I agree whole heartily with your position. as well as your efforts to correct the problem, which I would like to hear more of. Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Santa Cruz, CA. -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 9:32 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSFace to face with argyria... Dear group, In another thread David wrote: Don't assume that someone who looks grey has been taking colloidal silver. It's more likely to be caused by heart medication. I will be interested to see how prevalent use and abuse of that heart medication will become, versus the relative frequency of argyria in the next few years. The reason for my remark is a case of argyria I've encountered: I recently met a mature couple (in their late fifties or sixties, I believe) who both developed argyria over the last few years. He has classic generalized pigmentation quite reminiscent of Rosemary Jacobs, and she has less intense coloration, except for a mask-like area around her mouth and chin which is darker. What makes their case of special importance to us is the way in which they acquired their condition: In the run-up to Y2K they began making and drinking CS using the primitive three 9V batteries and salt recipe which was widely disseminated on Y2K web sites and discussion forums at that time. Unlike Stan Jones or other recent cases, they followed the instructions exactly. They didn't over-cook it or drink a glass of muddy sludge every day, but made exactly what the promoters of that recipe intended for them to make. While other factors, such as a deficiency in selenium or vitamin E or the use of caffeine, may have increased their vulnerability to argyria, the only real mistake they made was they followed those instructions and drank a glass per day for a long enough time -- and turned blue. So, as stunning as it is to confront a genuine case of argyria in the flesh, the real message is that the old pinch of salt recipe is now well *proven* to be capable of producing generalized argyria, AND there may be a lot more cases developing in the aftermath of the Y2K phenomenon, just like these folks' did. This is the reason for some of my recent comments urging us to treat every new argyria report with complete seriousness and an absolute absence of defensiveness. Although we as a group abandoned the pinch of salt idea in favor of pure silver in water at low concentrations much earlier than the rest of the alternative health community, other people are *still* promoting that primitive process to this day. As I see it our task is four-fold: * Continue our efforts to promote low concentration silver preparations made with fine silver and pure water only. * Advocate the concurrent use of low-dose selenium and vitamin E in conjunction with *any* silver preparation. * Study and further develop the already successful argyria treatment protocol to maximize safety while retaining effectiveness in reversing the condition. * Provide that information to everyone who seeks it, taking the lead in helping argyria victims treat themselves. I was able to explain to this couple what happened. Until I did, they didn't know it was the silver that turned them blue. I also mentioned the successes we've seen in reversing it, and I will do what I can to help them in the months ahead, if they are willing. So, as for David's observation, although the pharmaceutical companies have now produced a heart medicine that might turn people blue, I'm afraid the number of legitimate argyria cases which will emerge in the next few years may not leave us much to sing about. Please, tell me what you think? If you'd like to add to, correct, or endorse my thinking, send your comments along to the list. Discussion would be helpful. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
