Re: CSHow do I successfully create CS? Shelf-life of CS My very first Batch

2009-06-18 Thread Ode Coyote



  But is probably 20 uS..which would likely drop back to around 14 uS 
where the uS and PPM numbers are about the same.


Ode


At 12:25 PM 6/17/2009 -0500, you wrote:

Plugging those numbers into my Excel Faraday calculator I get about
14ppm - not 20ppm.

Dan

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Marshall Dudleymdud...@king-cart.com wrote:
 That may be true for batch processing, but for my flow system, the
 efficiency is about 1/4 of that.  That is with stirring and polarity
 reversal. The exact stats are 1.5 gallon per hour, 20 mA and 20 ppm. 
This is

 probably due to the higher concentration tending to plate back out during
 the brewing.

 Marshall


 Dan Nave wrote:

 The point is, in this case, electrode size doesn't matter.  If you are
 conducting at the rate of 1ma and the volume of water is 1 cup, then
 you release enough silver into the water in 1 hour hour to have an
 equivalent of 17 ppm.  This gives you a rule by which you can get a
 ballpark idea of what may be going on in your brewing cell.  You can
 use it to estimate.  Just adjust for the variables.  (For current
 values before you reach 1 ma, Hint: measure the current vs time and
 calculate an average.)

 I submit, that with polarity switching, the ppm of the product is
 exactly what is calculated by Faradays Law of Electrolysis.  Until you
 have any fallout.  And this is more accurate than measuring with a
 meter...

 Dan



 On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Ode Coyoteodecoy...@windstream.net
 wrote:


 At 12:56 PM 6/15/2009 -0500, you wrote:


 Missed something...

 That is in a time period of 1 hour.

 Dan

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Dan Navebhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:


 Two gallons is probably too much to brew at one time with most of the
 home generators we see.
 You would be better off starting out with a pint or a quart. (approx.
 500 to 1000ml)

 My rule of thumb is that the maximum amount of silver released into 1
 cup of water at 1 milliamp current in 1 hour is equivalent to
 approximately
 17ppm.  You can extrapolate from this rule.  Just use your reasoning
 abilities, if you have any...  (I assume you do)

 Dan


 ##  Using how much electrode, at what distance and assuming that the
 first
 few hours were actually running at 1 milliamp when that's not very likely
 if
 the water is good.

 Ode



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Re: CSHow do I successfully create CS? Shelf-life of CS My very first Batch

2009-06-17 Thread Ode Coyote



  With polarity shifting there are a few seconds per cycle that don't do 
much as the electrochemistry reverses.
If I recall, the current stays constant, but the voltage makes a swing, so 
the EIS chemistry shifting may be delivering current like a battery for a 
few seconds.
If the shift frequency is one minute, 10 or 20 seconds out of that cycle 
doing nearly nothing could make a huge error in the calculations.


Ode



At 09:44 PM 6/16/2009 -0500, you wrote:

The point is, in this case, electrode size doesn't matter.  If you are
conducting at the rate of 1ma and the volume of water is 1 cup, then
you release enough silver into the water in 1 hour hour to have an
equivalent of 17 ppm.  This gives you a rule by which you can get a
ballpark idea of what may be going on in your brewing cell.  You can
use it to estimate.  Just adjust for the variables.  (For current
values before you reach 1 ma, Hint: measure the current vs time and
calculate an average.)

I submit, that with polarity switching, the ppm of the product is
exactly what is calculated by Faradays Law of Electrolysis.  Until you
have any fallout.  And this is more accurate than measuring with a
meter...

Dan



On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Ode Coyoteodecoy...@windstream.net wrote:
 At 12:56 PM 6/15/2009 -0500, you wrote:

 Missed something...

 That is in a time period of 1 hour.

 Dan

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Dan Navebhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:
  Two gallons is probably too much to brew at one time with most of the
  home generators we see.
  You would be better off starting out with a pint or a quart. (approx.
  500 to 1000ml)
 
  My rule of thumb is that the maximum amount of silver released into 1
  cup of water at 1 milliamp current in 1 hour is equivalent to
  approximately
  17ppm.  You can extrapolate from this rule.  Just use your reasoning
  abilities, if you have any...  (I assume you do)
 
  Dan

 ##  Using how much electrode, at what distance and assuming that the first
 few hours were actually running at 1 milliamp when that's not very 
likely if

 the water is good.

 Ode



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Re: CSHow do I successfully create CS? Shelf-life of CS My very first Batch

2009-06-17 Thread Marshall Dudley
That may be true for batch processing, but for my flow system, the 
efficiency is about 1/4 of that.  That is with stirring and polarity 
reversal. The exact stats are 1.5 gallon per hour, 20 mA and 20 ppm. 
This is probably due to the higher concentration tending to plate back 
out during the brewing.


Marshall


Dan Nave wrote:

The point is, in this case, electrode size doesn't matter.  If you are
conducting at the rate of 1ma and the volume of water is 1 cup, then
you release enough silver into the water in 1 hour hour to have an
equivalent of 17 ppm.  This gives you a rule by which you can get a
ballpark idea of what may be going on in your brewing cell.  You can
use it to estimate.  Just adjust for the variables.  (For current
values before you reach 1 ma, Hint: measure the current vs time and
calculate an average.)

I submit, that with polarity switching, the ppm of the product is
exactly what is calculated by Faradays Law of Electrolysis.  Until you
have any fallout.  And this is more accurate than measuring with a
meter...

Dan



On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Ode Coyoteodecoy...@windstream.net wrote:
  

At 12:56 PM 6/15/2009 -0500, you wrote:


Missed something...

That is in a time period of 1 hour.

Dan

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Dan Navebhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:
  

Two gallons is probably too much to brew at one time with most of the
home generators we see.
You would be better off starting out with a pint or a quart. (approx.
500 to 1000ml)

My rule of thumb is that the maximum amount of silver released into 1
cup of water at 1 milliamp current in 1 hour is equivalent to
approximately
17ppm.  You can extrapolate from this rule.  Just use your reasoning
abilities, if you have any...  (I assume you do)

Dan


##  Using how much electrode, at what distance and assuming that the first
few hours were actually running at 1 milliamp when that's not very likely if
the water is good.

Ode



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Re: CSHow do I successfully create CS? Shelf-life of CS My very first Batch

2009-06-17 Thread Marshall Dudley

Marshall Dudley wrote:
That may be true for batch processing, but for my flow system, the 
efficiency is about 1/4 of that.  That is with stirring and polarity 
reversal. The exact stats are 1.5 gallon per hour, 20 mA and 20 ppm. 
This is probably due to the higher concentration tending to plate back 
out during the brewing.


Sorry, there is a typo there. It should have been 80 mA, not 20.

Marshall



Marshall


Dan Nave wrote:

The point is, in this case, electrode size doesn't matter.  If you are
conducting at the rate of 1ma and the volume of water is 1 cup, then
you release enough silver into the water in 1 hour hour to have an
equivalent of 17 ppm.  This gives you a rule by which you can get a
ballpark idea of what may be going on in your brewing cell.  You can
use it to estimate.  Just adjust for the variables.  (For current
values before you reach 1 ma, Hint: measure the current vs time and
calculate an average.)

I submit, that with polarity switching, the ppm of the product is
exactly what is calculated by Faradays Law of Electrolysis.  Until you
have any fallout.  And this is more accurate than measuring with a
meter...

Dan



On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Ode Coyoteodecoy...@windstream.net

wrote:
 

At 12:56 PM 6/15/2009 -0500, you wrote:
   

Missed something...

That is in a time period of 1 hour.

Dan

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Dan Navebhangcha...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 

Two gallons is probably too much to brew at one time with most of the
home generators we see.
You would be better off starting out with a pint or a quart. (approx.
500 to 1000ml)

My rule of thumb is that the maximum amount of silver released into 1
cup of water at 1 milliamp current in 1 hour is equivalent to
approximately
17ppm.  You can extrapolate from this rule.  Just use your reasoning
abilities, if you have any...  (I assume you do)

Dan


##  Using how much electrode, at what distance and assuming that the

first
few hours were actually running at 1 milliamp when that's not very 
likely

if

the water is good.

Ode



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Re: CSHow do I successfully create CS? Shelf-life of CS My very first Batch

2009-06-17 Thread Dan Nave
Plugging those numbers into my Excel Faraday calculator I get about
14ppm - not 20ppm.

Dan

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Marshall Dudleymdud...@king-cart.com wrote:
 That may be true for batch processing, but for my flow system, the
 efficiency is about 1/4 of that.  That is with stirring and polarity
 reversal. The exact stats are 1.5 gallon per hour, 20 mA and 20 ppm. This is
 probably due to the higher concentration tending to plate back out during
 the brewing.

 Marshall


 Dan Nave wrote:

 The point is, in this case, electrode size doesn't matter.  If you are
 conducting at the rate of 1ma and the volume of water is 1 cup, then
 you release enough silver into the water in 1 hour hour to have an
 equivalent of 17 ppm.  This gives you a rule by which you can get a
 ballpark idea of what may be going on in your brewing cell.  You can
 use it to estimate.  Just adjust for the variables.  (For current
 values before you reach 1 ma, Hint: measure the current vs time and
 calculate an average.)

 I submit, that with polarity switching, the ppm of the product is
 exactly what is calculated by Faradays Law of Electrolysis.  Until you
 have any fallout.  And this is more accurate than measuring with a
 meter...

 Dan



 On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Ode Coyoteodecoy...@windstream.net
 wrote:


 At 12:56 PM 6/15/2009 -0500, you wrote:


 Missed something...

 That is in a time period of 1 hour.

 Dan

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Dan Navebhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:


 Two gallons is probably too much to brew at one time with most of the
 home generators we see.
 You would be better off starting out with a pint or a quart. (approx.
 500 to 1000ml)

 My rule of thumb is that the maximum amount of silver released into 1
 cup of water at 1 milliamp current in 1 hour is equivalent to
 approximately
 17ppm.  You can extrapolate from this rule.  Just use your reasoning
 abilities, if you have any...  (I assume you do)

 Dan


 ##  Using how much electrode, at what distance and assuming that the
 first
 few hours were actually running at 1 milliamp when that's not very likely
 if
 the water is good.

 Ode



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Re: CSHow do I successfully create CS? Shelf-life of CS My very first Batch

2009-06-17 Thread Dan Nave
On the other hand, it is possible that any silver that collects on the
negative electrode may require, after polarity has been switched, that
the same amount of current be used to release it from the electrode as
if it had been originally part of that electrode...

Dan

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Marshall Dudleymdud...@king-cart.com wrote:
 Marshall Dudley wrote:

 That may be true for batch processing, but for my flow system, the
 efficiency is about 1/4 of that.  That is with stirring and polarity
 reversal. The exact stats are 1.5 gallon per hour, 20 mA and 20 ppm. This is
 probably due to the higher concentration tending to plate back out during
 the brewing.

 Sorry, there is a typo there. It should have been 80 mA, not 20.

 Marshall


 Marshall


 Dan Nave wrote:

 The point is, in this case, electrode size doesn't matter.  If you are
 conducting at the rate of 1ma and the volume of water is 1 cup, then
 you release enough silver into the water in 1 hour hour to have an
 equivalent of 17 ppm.  This gives you a rule by which you can get a
 ballpark idea of what may be going on in your brewing cell.  You can
 use it to estimate.  Just adjust for the variables.  (For current
 values before you reach 1 ma, Hint: measure the current vs time and
 calculate an average.)

 I submit, that with polarity switching, the ppm of the product is
 exactly what is calculated by Faradays Law of Electrolysis.  Until you
 have any fallout.  And this is more accurate than measuring with a
 meter...

 Dan



 On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Ode Coyoteodecoy...@windstream.net

 wrote:



 At 12:56 PM 6/15/2009 -0500, you wrote:


 Missed something...

 That is in a time period of 1 hour.

 Dan

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Dan Navebhangcha...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Two gallons is probably too much to brew at one time with most of the
 home generators we see.
 You would be better off starting out with a pint or a quart. (approx.
 500 to 1000ml)

 My rule of thumb is that the maximum amount of silver released into 1
 cup of water at 1 milliamp current in 1 hour is equivalent to
 approximately
 17ppm.  You can extrapolate from this rule.  Just use your reasoning
 abilities, if you have any...  (I assume you do)

 Dan


 ##  Using how much electrode, at what distance and assuming that the

 first

 few hours were actually running at 1 milliamp when that's not very
 likely

 if

 the water is good.

 Ode



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Re: CSHow do I successfully create CS? Shelf-life of CS My very first Batch

2009-06-16 Thread Ode Coyote

At 09:22 AM 6/15/2009 -0400, you wrote:
My first question is, how long should I leave the process brewing and does 
it take longer if I am making 2 gallons at a time? do I ever need to get 
new silver leads and when should I? I just wiped my silver leads with a 
clean paper towel is that okay? how do I increase the ppm? after 3 hours 
what is the ppm? after 6 hours what is the ppm? and so on and so forth... 
feel free to call me now at my desk also with any helpful tips



##  Too many glaring conditional vagaries to say anything at all.
..the questions are meaningless and un-answerable without a lot more 
information.


Excepting the obvious:
When the silver is gone, you don't have an electrode...time to get a new one.
 Anything clean is suitable for wiping one off.


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Fax: 202.565.4679
Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to 
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Subject: RE: CSShelf-life of CS
I agree completely. I keep my homemade CS in a glass sun tea pitcher on 
the counter and it takes about a month for me and the fam to use 3/4 of 
it. I use the other 1/4 as a starter for my next batch. It has always 
stabilized at 5ppm.


##  As measured by what method or instrument?
Without splitting hairs ALL the way to the root, if a PPM/TDS meter was 
used, that's more like 10 PPM rather than 5.

Meters don't measure PPM.
 PPM meters are designed to work in salt water.
 Silver water is not salt water.

Ode




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Re: CSHow do I successfully create CS? Shelf-life of CS My very first Batch

2009-06-16 Thread Ode Coyote

At 12:56 PM 6/15/2009 -0500, you wrote:

Missed something...

That is in a time period of 1 hour.

Dan

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Dan Navebhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Two gallons is probably too much to brew at one time with most of the
 home generators we see.
 You would be better off starting out with a pint or a quart. (approx.
 500 to 1000ml)

 My rule of thumb is that the maximum amount of silver released into 1
 cup of water at 1 milliamp current in 1 hour is equivalent to approximately
 17ppm.  You can extrapolate from this rule.  Just use your reasoning
 abilities, if you have any...  (I assume you do)

 Dan


##  Using how much electrode, at what distance and assuming that the first 
few hours were actually running at 1 milliamp when that's not very likely 
if the water is good.


Ode



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Re: CSHow do I successfully create CS? Shelf-life of CS My very first Batch

2009-06-16 Thread Dan Nave
The point is, in this case, electrode size doesn't matter.  If you are
conducting at the rate of 1ma and the volume of water is 1 cup, then
you release enough silver into the water in 1 hour hour to have an
equivalent of 17 ppm.  This gives you a rule by which you can get a
ballpark idea of what may be going on in your brewing cell.  You can
use it to estimate.  Just adjust for the variables.  (For current
values before you reach 1 ma, Hint: measure the current vs time and
calculate an average.)

I submit, that with polarity switching, the ppm of the product is
exactly what is calculated by Faradays Law of Electrolysis.  Until you
have any fallout.  And this is more accurate than measuring with a
meter...

Dan



On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Ode Coyoteodecoy...@windstream.net wrote:
 At 12:56 PM 6/15/2009 -0500, you wrote:

 Missed something...

 That is in a time period of 1 hour.

 Dan

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Dan Navebhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:
  Two gallons is probably too much to brew at one time with most of the
  home generators we see.
  You would be better off starting out with a pint or a quart. (approx.
  500 to 1000ml)
 
  My rule of thumb is that the maximum amount of silver released into 1
  cup of water at 1 milliamp current in 1 hour is equivalent to
  approximately
  17ppm.  You can extrapolate from this rule.  Just use your reasoning
  abilities, if you have any...  (I assume you do)
 
  Dan

 ##  Using how much electrode, at what distance and assuming that the first
 few hours were actually running at 1 milliamp when that's not very likely if
 the water is good.

 Ode



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Re: CSHow do I successfully create CS? Shelf-life of CS My very first Batch

2009-06-15 Thread Dee Fitzpatrick
It all depends on your generator.  I have a Silver Puppy and I make up to 32
ounces at a time.  The SP has a reverse polarity function which I use
because you get almost no crud in the water but it takes longer to brew
using this method.  Mine takes approximately 9 to 10 hours to make this
amount because my distilled water is extremely pure.  The amount of TDS in
the water reads 7-9 and I take this to mean there is approximately 14ppm at
the end of the time.  It is (almost) impossible to accurately judge the ppm
but it doesn't really matter as long as it isn't over 30ppm (for normal use
that is)  dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Evans, Antonio F.
Date: 15/06/2009 14:23:36
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSHow do I successfully create CS? Shelf-life of CS My very
first Batch
 
My first question is, how long should I leave the process brewing and does
it take longer if I am making 2 gallons at a time? do I ever need to get new
silver leads and when should I? I just wiped my silver leads with a clean
paper towel is that okay? how do I increase the ppm? after 3 hours what is
the ppm? after 6 hours what is the ppm? and so on and so forth... feel free
to call me now at my desk also with any helpful tips
A. Evans/ Desk: 202.461.8863 faint_grain.jpg

Re: CSHow do I successfully create CS? Shelf-life of CS My very first Batch

2009-06-15 Thread Dan Nave
Two gallons is probably too much to brew at one time with most of the
home generators we see.
You would be better off starting out with a pint or a quart. (approx.
500 to 1000ml)

My rule of thumb is that the maximum amount of silver released into 1
cup of water at 1 milliamp current is equivalent to approximately
17ppm.  You can extrapolate from this rule.  Just use your reasoning
abilities, if you have any...  (I assume you do)

Dan

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Evans, Antonio F.antonio.ev...@va.gov wrote:
 My first question is, how long should I leave the process brewing and does
 it take longer if I am making 2 gallons at a time? do I ever need to get new
 silver leads and when should I? I just wiped my silver leads with a clean
 paper towel is that okay? how do I increase the ppm? after 3 hours what is
 the ppm? after 6 hours what is the ppm? and so on and so forth... feel free
 to call me now at my desk also with any helpful tips
 A. Evans/ Desk: 202.461.8863
 Fax: 202.565.4679
 Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to
 all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world,
 and all there ever will be to know and understand.

 Albert Einstein
 1879-1955, Physicist


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Re: CSHow do I successfully create CS? Shelf-life of CS My very first Batch

2009-06-15 Thread Dan Nave
Missed something...

That is in a time period of 1 hour.

Dan

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Dan Navebhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Two gallons is probably too much to brew at one time with most of the
 home generators we see.
 You would be better off starting out with a pint or a quart. (approx.
 500 to 1000ml)

 My rule of thumb is that the maximum amount of silver released into 1
 cup of water at 1 milliamp current in 1 hour is equivalent to approximately
 17ppm.  You can extrapolate from this rule.  Just use your reasoning
 abilities, if you have any...  (I assume you do)

 Dan

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Evans, Antonio F.antonio.ev...@va.gov 
 wrote:
 My first question is, how long should I leave the process brewing and does
 it take longer if I am making 2 gallons at a time? do I ever need to get new
 silver leads and when should I? I just wiped my silver leads with a clean
 paper towel is that okay? how do I increase the ppm? after 3 hours what is
 the ppm? after 6 hours what is the ppm? and so on and so forth... feel free
 to call me now at my desk also with any helpful tips
 A. Evans/ Desk: 202.461.8863
 Fax: 202.565.4679
 Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to
 all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world,
 and all there ever will be to know and understand.

 Albert Einstein
 1879-1955, Physicist



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RE: CSHow do I successfully create CS? Shelf-life of CS My very first Batch

2009-06-15 Thread Evans, Antonio F.
Thank you for the tip 


A. Evans/ 
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we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and 
all there ever will be to know and understand.
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-Original Message-
From: Dan Nave [mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:55 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSHow do I successfully create CS? Shelf-life of CS My very 
first Batch

Two gallons is probably too much to brew at one time with most of the home 
generators we see.
You would be better off starting out with a pint or a quart. (approx.
500 to 1000ml)

My rule of thumb is that the maximum amount of silver released into 1 cup of 
water at 1 milliamp current is equivalent to approximately 17ppm.  You can 
extrapolate from this rule.  Just use your reasoning abilities, if you have 
any...  (I assume you do)

Dan

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Evans, Antonio F.antonio.ev...@va.gov wrote:
 My first question is, how long should I leave the process brewing and 
 does it take longer if I am making 2 gallons at a time? do I ever need 
 to get new silver leads and when should I? I just wiped my silver 
 leads with a clean paper towel is that okay? how do I increase the 
 ppm? after 3 hours what is the ppm? after 6 hours what is the ppm? and 
 so on and so forth... feel free to call me now at my desk also with 
 any helpful tips A. Evans/ Desk: 202.461.8863
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RE: CSHow do I successfully create CS? Shelf-life of CS My very first Batch

2009-06-15 Thread Gaiacita
Could the folks that have their emails set for everyone to acknowledge the
receipt of their message please change their settings?  

Samala,
Renee

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Thank you for the tip