RE: CSHow long does it last?

2006-09-16 Thread Ode Coyote
Subject of ion exchange covers ionic  EIS/CS   in general, home made or 
store bought.

 You will never get fresh EIS at a store though.
Portions also engage suspended colloids, pure metallic and otherwise.

In short:
 A substance doesn't have to *have* a charge in a bottle to get one later.
Even having a charge in the bottle doesn't mean it will have one when used.
 The whole of chemistry is pretty much about ion exchanges. [relative 
outer electron shell valences]


Ode

At 02:44 PM 9/15/2006 -0500, you wrote:

Hi, How does this information apply to CS made with a Silver gen or a 
Silver Puppy? I gather that you are discussing CS made with home made 
machines.

Ruth

From Ruth Strackbein



From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSHow long does it last?
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:23:29 -0400

At 09:57 AM 9/14/2006 -0700, you wrote:


So goes my theory that EIS/CS negative charge contributes to
its healing  properties.

Ed Kasper LAc. Santa Cruz, CA.



  Maybe not.
 There goes the idea that the CS has a negative charge in the bottle 
and after a while.
 Ion exchange and relative charges 'in vivo' or in the presence of 
pathogens is a whole 'nother story.
 The mainstream is chasing ion exchange like mad men splashing in 
puddles.  We may just be wading in it up to our necks by sheer accident.


The hydroxyl anions associated with silver ions can make a very unstable 
compound out of the silver.

 Metallic silver can be re-ionized under various conditions.
 The body and  pathogens is a conditional soup where anything that can 
happen, probably does and no one thing is the limit.
Silver in its varied forms and compounds could work one way, then turn 
around and work backwards another way, then make a right, then left turn 
to work yet another set of ways in a progression of reactions and 
interaction with an ever changing electro-chemical environment. [Chemical 
reactions can be stated as electronic equations and still say the same 
things ..not that I quite understand or completely comprehend either way 
of looking at it.

;-)]

 Very fresh CS is obviously different than CS that's only several 
hours old.

This is easily provable.
 What that difference means In use By whom Used how and For what 
isn't so obvious.


If there's one thing one could say about CS/EIS ...it's, it never stays 
the same under sufficiently different conditions.

 It's dynamic.

Which also could explain why for some people used in some applications 
it's a fantastic miracle and for some it's ho hum.
 The deeper you go into the soup, the more varied the conditions, change 
and exchange probabilities .  The less that it encounters to change it 
for better or worse, [ direct surface contact]  the more it works predictably.


 Some swear by one thing and some swear at it.
 Your set of rules in this game may well not apply to *anyone* else 
without doing some creative editing and maybe even your set is 
constantly changing with a progression of conditions that *using* the 
silver sets into motion.


 Dosing and methods of use recommendations I've seen often make no sense 
at alland perhaps they shouldn't.


Are prescription meds any different?
 Why does the Doc give you a bomb when a pellet would have done, then 
change that to a missile? then it's a prayer that cures ya.


Mystery used to be spelled,  My Story.

Ode



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Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 6:14 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSHow long does it last?




  EIS/CS doesn't have a charge [as commonly promoted as
ionic charge ]
after a few hours.
Once all the ions find the anions made at the same time,
it's over all
charge neutral and particle repulsion is presented by weak
Vandervals
forces, not ionic charge.  Being extremely chemically
active, it's not
likely that many, if any, free ions exist after a few
hours.
  What ions get stripped off in vivo and -become- ionically
charged
-again-..and what that does, is a subject for many guesses.
  It is, however, generally stable on the shelf for years
if only pure
water is present.
In the presence of other substances, it's not very stable.
Ions strip easily.

Ode


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RE: CSHow long does it last?

2006-09-15 Thread Ode Coyote

At 09:57 AM 9/14/2006 -0700, you wrote:


So goes my theory that EIS/CS negative charge contributes to
its healing  properties.

Ed Kasper LAc. Santa Cruz, CA.



  Maybe not.
 There goes the idea that the CS has a negative charge in the bottle and 
after a while.
 Ion exchange and relative charges 'in vivo' or in the presence of 
pathogens is a whole 'nother story.
 The mainstream is chasing ion exchange like mad men splashing in 
puddles.  We may just be wading in it up to our necks by sheer accident.


The hydroxyl anions associated with silver ions can make a very unstable 
compound out of the silver.

 Metallic silver can be re-ionized under various conditions.
 The body and  pathogens is a conditional soup where anything that can 
happen, probably does and no one thing is the limit.
Silver in its varied forms and compounds could work one way, then turn 
around and work backwards another way, then make a right, then left turn to 
work yet another set of ways in a progression of reactions and interaction 
with an ever changing electro-chemical environment. [Chemical reactions can 
be stated as electronic equations and still say the same things ..not that 
I quite understand or completely comprehend either way of looking at it.  ;-)]


 Very fresh CS is obviously different than CS that's only several hours 
old.

This is easily provable.
 What that difference means In use By whom Used how and For what 
isn't so obvious.


If there's one thing one could say about CS/EIS ...it's, it never stays the 
same under sufficiently different conditions.

 It's dynamic.

Which also could explain why for some people used in some applications it's 
a fantastic miracle and for some it's ho hum.
 The deeper you go into the soup, the more varied the conditions, change 
and exchange probabilities .  The less that it encounters to change it for 
better or worse, [ direct surface contact]  the more it works predictably.


 Some swear by one thing and some swear at it.
 Your set of rules in this game may well not apply to *anyone* else 
without doing some creative editing and maybe even your set is constantly 
changing with a progression of conditions that *using* the silver sets into 
motion.


 Dosing and methods of use recommendations I've seen often make no sense 
at alland perhaps they shouldn't.


Are prescription meds any different?
 Why does the Doc give you a bomb when a pellet would have done, then 
change that to a missile? then it's a prayer that cures ya.


Mystery used to be spelled,  My Story.

Ode



-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 6:14 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSHow long does it last?




  EIS/CS doesn't have a charge [as commonly promoted as
ionic charge ]
after a few hours.
Once all the ions find the anions made at the same time,
it's over all
charge neutral and particle repulsion is presented by weak
Vandervals
forces, not ionic charge.  Being extremely chemically
active, it's not
likely that many, if any, free ions exist after a few
hours.
  What ions get stripped off in vivo and -become- ionically
charged
-again-..and what that does, is a subject for many guesses.
  It is, however, generally stable on the shelf for years
if only pure
water is present.
In the presence of other substances, it's not very stable.
Ions strip easily.

Ode


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Re: CSHow long does it last?

2006-09-15 Thread Ode Coyote



  Think about it.
If CS kills virtually every pathogen known to man on contact, how could the 
CS not be sterile despite you not being sterile?

If it doesn't, why bother with it at all?  [it does ]
 The biggest bugaboo is chemical contamination and that can get touchy, 
but usually isn't too bad.
 Don't worry unless something weird happens. Then go about eliminating 
that factor with detective work...or just blow it all out the window.

 Generally a change of water and a good rinsing does the job.
Sometimes you can't control your environment, but you can almost always 
change it till you don't need to.

 Electricity and silver don't change much, water does. Look to that first.
 Some variation in batches is both reasonably unavoidable and acceptable.

ode

At 04:31 PM 9/14/2006 -0400, you wrote:


Hello, Ode,

As you know, I am new to CS (3 months), and have learned a lot from you 
and several other list members. I have read many opinions about CS 
contamination and durability, and from what I conclude I assume that 
simply working with reasonable care and cleanliness should be enough to 
have a good quality home product that should last at least for many months.


I have never seen any of you mention the need of working under strict 
laboratory conditions, with permanent sterilization of containers, 
electrodes, utensils, etc., use of sterile latex gloves, hermetically 
closed working environment, etc. Of course very clean hands are not 
sterile, electrodes that are polished with ScotchBrite tissue and cleaned 
with an unused paper towel are not sterile, a freshly emptied bottle from 
last batch is not sterile, dust and lint that are floating in the air and 
falling all over us and the batch we are making are not sterile either, 
and as I have understood from you and others we don´t need to be paranoic 
about many microbes that end up inside our CS batch.


As long as we use high quality distilled water (I use steam bi-distilled, 
de-ionized water employed for laboratory analysis) and have an adequate 
process that yields a good quality product I understand that we should not 
worry about it lasting enough.


In using CS directly from a bottle my technique is very similar to the one 
Mike Devour and family use: I hold its neck with my hand, lean my thumb 
below my lower lip and just pour the liquid inside my mouth without 
touching the bottle with it. These bottles that are used for direct 
drinking are washed and boiled before filling them again, but the ones 
where we keep our stock of CS are just refilled once they are empty.


If I am wrong please correct me. I want to learn more every day.

Thank you.

Carlos



From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSHow long does it last?
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:14:07 -0400



 EIS/CS doesn't have a charge [as commonly promoted as ionic charge ] 
after a few hours.
Once all the ions find the anions made at the same time, it's over all 
charge neutral and particle repulsion is presented by weak Vandervals 
forces, not ionic charge.  Being extremely chemically active, it's not 
likely that many, if any, free ions exist after a few hours.
 What ions get stripped off in vivo and -become- ionically charged 
-again-..and what that does, is a subject for many guesses.
 It is, however, generally stable on the shelf for years  if only pure 
water is present.
In the presence of other substances, it's not very stable.  Ions strip 
easily.


Ode



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RE: CSHow long does it last?

2006-09-15 Thread ruth strackbein
Hi, How does this information apply to CS made with a Silver gen or a Silver 
Puppy? I gather that you are discussing CS made with home made machines.  
Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSHow long does it last?
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:23:29 -0400

At 09:57 AM 9/14/2006 -0700, you wrote:


So goes my theory that EIS/CS negative charge contributes to
its healing  properties.

Ed Kasper LAc. Santa Cruz, CA.



  Maybe not.
 There goes the idea that the CS has a negative charge in the bottle and 
after a while.
 Ion exchange and relative charges 'in vivo' or in the presence of 
pathogens is a whole 'nother story.
 The mainstream is chasing ion exchange like mad men splashing in puddles. 
 We may just be wading in it up to our necks by sheer accident.


The hydroxyl anions associated with silver ions can make a very unstable 
compound out of the silver.

 Metallic silver can be re-ionized under various conditions.
 The body and  pathogens is a conditional soup where anything that can 
happen, probably does and no one thing is the limit.
Silver in its varied forms and compounds could work one way, then turn 
around and work backwards another way, then make a right, then left turn to 
work yet another set of ways in a progression of reactions and interaction 
with an ever changing electro-chemical environment. [Chemical reactions can 
be stated as electronic equations and still say the same things ..not that 
I quite understand or completely comprehend either way of looking at it.  
;-)]


 Very fresh CS is obviously different than CS that's only several hours 
old.

This is easily provable.
 What that difference means In use By whom Used how and For what 
isn't so obvious.


If there's one thing one could say about CS/EIS ...it's, it never stays the 
same under sufficiently different conditions.

 It's dynamic.

Which also could explain why for some people used in some applications it's 
a fantastic miracle and for some it's ho hum.
 The deeper you go into the soup, the more varied the conditions, change 
and exchange probabilities .  The less that it encounters to change it for 
better or worse, [ direct surface contact]  the more it works predictably.


 Some swear by one thing and some swear at it.
 Your set of rules in this game may well not apply to *anyone* else 
without doing some creative editing and maybe even your set is constantly 
changing with a progression of conditions that *using* the silver sets into 
motion.


 Dosing and methods of use recommendations I've seen often make no sense 
at alland perhaps they shouldn't.


Are prescription meds any different?
 Why does the Doc give you a bomb when a pellet would have done, then 
change that to a missile? then it's a prayer that cures ya.


Mystery used to be spelled,  My Story.

Ode



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From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 6:14 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSHow long does it last?




  EIS/CS doesn't have a charge [as commonly promoted as
ionic charge ]
after a few hours.
Once all the ions find the anions made at the same time,
it's over all
charge neutral and particle repulsion is presented by weak
Vandervals
forces, not ionic charge.  Being extremely chemically
active, it's not
likely that many, if any, free ions exist after a few
hours.
  What ions get stripped off in vivo and -become- ionically
charged
-again-..and what that does, is a subject for many guesses.
  It is, however, generally stable on the shelf for years
if only pure
water is present.
In the presence of other substances, it's not very stable.
Ions strip easily.

Ode


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RE: CSHow long does it last?

2006-09-15 Thread Ed Kasper
Ode, thanks for the reassurance.
It brings me make to my attempts to understanding disorders
and our bodies. Pleomorphism
http://www.enderlein.com/About_Pleomorphism.htm

When talking in terms of diseases I think its better prefix
any thoughts with I don't know

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
 Santa Cruz, CA.

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From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 7:23 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSHow long does it last?


At 09:57 AM 9/14/2006 -0700, you wrote:

So goes my theory that EIS/CS negative charge contributes
to
its healing  properties.

Ed Kasper LAc. Santa Cruz, CA.


   Maybe not.
  There goes the idea that the CS has a negative charge in
the bottle and
after a while.
  Ion exchange and relative charges 'in vivo' or in the
presence of
pathogens is a whole 'nother story.
  The mainstream is chasing ion exchange like mad men
splashing in
puddles.  We may just be wading in it up to our necks by
sheer accident.

The hydroxyl anions associated with silver ions can make a
very unstable
compound out of the silver.
  Metallic silver can be re-ionized under various
conditions.
  The body and  pathogens is a conditional soup where
anything that can
happen, probably does and no one thing is the limit.
Silver in its varied forms and compounds could work one way,
then turn
around and work backwards another way, then make a right,
then left turn to
work yet another set of ways in a progression of reactions
and interaction
with an ever changing electro-chemical environment.
[Chemical reactions can
be stated as electronic equations and still say the same
things ..not that
I quite understand or completely comprehend either way of
looking at it.  ;-)]

  Very fresh CS is obviously different than CS that's only
several hours
old.
This is easily provable.
  What that difference means In use By whom Used how
and For what
isn't so obvious.

If there's one thing one could say about CS/EIS ...it's, it
never stays the
same under sufficiently different conditions.
  It's dynamic.

Which also could explain why for some people used in some
applications it's
a fantastic miracle and for some it's ho hum.
  The deeper you go into the soup, the more varied the
conditions, change
and exchange probabilities .  The less that it encounters to
change it for
better or worse, [ direct surface contact]  the more it
works predictably.

  Some swear by one thing and some swear at it.
  Your set of rules in this game may well not apply to
*anyone* else
without doing some creative editing and maybe even your set
is constantly
changing with a progression of conditions that *using* the
silver sets into
motion.

  Dosing and methods of use recommendations I've seen often
make no sense
at alland perhaps they shouldn't.

Are prescription meds any different?
  Why does the Doc give you a bomb when a pellet would have
done, then
change that to a missile? then it's a prayer that cures
ya.

Mystery used to be spelled,  My Story.

Ode


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Re: CSHow long does it last?

2006-09-14 Thread Ode Coyote



 EIS/CS doesn't have a charge [as commonly promoted as ionic charge ] 
after a few hours.
Once all the ions find the anions made at the same time, it's over all 
charge neutral and particle repulsion is presented by weak Vandervals 
forces, not ionic charge.  Being extremely chemically active, it's not 
likely that many, if any, free ions exist after a few hours.
 What ions get stripped off in vivo and -become- ionically charged 
-again-..and what that does, is a subject for many guesses.
 It is, however, generally stable on the shelf for years  if only pure 
water is present.

In the presence of other substances, it's not very stable.  Ions strip easily.

Ode


At 02:12 AM 9/13/2006 +, you wrote:


Does cs loose it's charge within a month ...how long does it last? thanks deb


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Re: CShow long does cs last??

2006-09-14 Thread Marshall Dudley
If you make high quality CS with good distilled water, don't get it too
hit, don't let it freeze, don't contaminate it, don't expose to UV light
and don't have any metallic surfaces in contact with it, it can last for
years. If you use bad water to make, contaminate it, and so forth, it
can last as short as a few hours.

Marshall

Deborah Gerard wrote:

 does anyone on the list know how long cs last's?...thanks deb

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RE: CSHow long does it last?

2006-09-14 Thread Ed Kasper
So goes my theory that EIS/CS negative charge contributes to
its healing  properties.

Ed Kasper LAc. Santa Cruz, CA.

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 6:14 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSHow long does it last?




  EIS/CS doesn't have a charge [as commonly promoted as
ionic charge ]
after a few hours.
Once all the ions find the anions made at the same time,
it's over all
charge neutral and particle repulsion is presented by weak
Vandervals
forces, not ionic charge.  Being extremely chemically
active, it's not
likely that many, if any, free ions exist after a few
hours.
  What ions get stripped off in vivo and -become- ionically
charged
-again-..and what that does, is a subject for many guesses.
  It is, however, generally stable on the shelf for years
if only pure
water is present.
In the presence of other substances, it's not very stable.
Ions strip easily.

Ode


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Re: CSHow long does it last?

2006-09-14 Thread Carlos P�rez

Hello, Ode,

As you know, I am new to CS (3 months), and have learned a lot from you and 
several other list members. I have read many opinions about CS contamination 
and durability, and from what I conclude I assume that simply working with 
reasonable care and cleanliness should be enough to have a good quality home 
product that should last at least for many months.


I have never seen any of you mention the need of working under strict 
laboratory conditions, with permanent sterilization of containers, 
electrodes, utensils, etc., use of sterile latex gloves, hermetically closed 
working environment, etc. Of course very clean hands are not sterile, 
electrodes that are polished with ScotchBrite tissue and cleaned with an 
unused paper towel are not sterile, a freshly emptied bottle from last batch 
is not sterile, dust and lint that are floating in the air and falling all 
over us and the batch we are making are not sterile either, and as I have 
understood from you and others we don´t need to be paranoic about many 
microbes that end up inside our CS batch.


As long as we use high quality distilled water (I use steam bi-distilled, 
de-ionized water employed for laboratory analysis) and have an adequate 
process that yields a good quality product I understand that we should not 
worry about it lasting enough.


In using CS directly from a bottle my technique is very similar to the one 
Mike Devour and family use: I hold its neck with my hand, lean my thumb 
below my lower lip and just pour the liquid inside my mouth without touching 
the bottle with it. These bottles that are used for direct drinking are 
washed and boiled before filling them again, but the ones where we keep our 
stock of CS are just refilled once they are empty.


If I am wrong please correct me. I want to learn more every day.

Thank you.

Carlos



From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSHow long does it last?
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:14:07 -0400



 EIS/CS doesn't have a charge [as commonly promoted as ionic charge ] 
after a few hours.
Once all the ions find the anions made at the same time, it's over all 
charge neutral and particle repulsion is presented by weak Vandervals 
forces, not ionic charge.  Being extremely chemically active, it's not 
likely that many, if any, free ions exist after a few hours.
 What ions get stripped off in vivo and -become- ionically charged 
-again-..and what that does, is a subject for many guesses.
 It is, however, generally stable on the shelf for years  if only pure 
water is present.
In the presence of other substances, it's not very stable.  Ions strip 
easily.


Ode




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Re: CSHow long does it last?

2006-09-14 Thread Deborah Gerard
Marshall ...Ode ...thanks so much for the info...debbie

Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net wrote:  

EIS/CS doesn't have a charge [as commonly promoted as ionic charge ] 
after a few hours.
Once all the ions find the anions made at the same time, it's over all 
charge neutral and particle repulsion is presented by weak Vandervals 
forces, not ionic charge. Being extremely chemically active, it's not 
likely that many, if any, free ions exist after a few hours.
What ions get stripped off in vivo and -become- ionically charged 
-again-..and what that does, is a subject for many guesses.
It is, however, generally stable on the shelf for years if only pure 
water is present.
In the presence of other substances, it's not very stable. Ions strip easily.

Ode


At 02:12 AM 9/13/2006 +, you wrote:

Does cs loose it's charge within a month ...how long does it last? thanks deb


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Re: CSHow long does it last?

2006-09-14 Thread cking001
Geez,
What's all this about drinking from the bottle?
I use a shot glass.
It's just as macho!

Chuck
_Rebel without a clue


On 9/14/2006 4:31:17 PM, Carlos Pérez (explorer...@hotmail.com) wrote:
In using CS directly from a bottle my technique is very similar to the one 
Mike Devour and family use: I hold its neck with my hand, lean my thumb 
below my lower lip and just pour the liquid inside my mouth without touching 
the bottle with it. These bottles that are used for direct drinking are 
washed and boiled before filling them again, but the ones where we keep our 
stock of CS are just refilled once they are empty.

If I am wrong please correct me. I want to learn more every day.


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Re: CSHow long does it last?

2006-09-14 Thread Carlos P�rez

Chuck,

When I am in my kitchen I also use a glass, but when I am exercising in my 
bicycle or climbing a mountain or jogging along the beach or in a car in a 
traffic jam, I do not find it practical to carry a shot glass and stop 
everything I am doing in order to carefully pour the CS in it. By the way, I 
think you give too much importance to do it in a Macho way.


Carlos



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Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:47:11 -0400

Geez,
What's all this about drinking from the bottle?
I use a shot glass.
It's just as macho!

Chuck
_Rebel without a clue


On 9/14/2006 4:31:17 PM, Carlos Pérez (explorer...@hotmail.com) wrote:
In using CS directly from a bottle my technique is very similar to the 
one

Mike Devour and family use: I hold its neck with my hand, lean my thumb
below my lower lip and just pour the liquid inside my mouth without 
touching

the bottle with it. These bottles that are used for direct drinking are
washed and boiled before filling them again, but the ones where we keep 
our

stock of CS are just refilled once they are empty.

If I am wrong please correct me. I want to learn more every day.


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Re: CSHow long does it last?

2006-09-14 Thread cking001
'Twas in jest Carlos...

Personally I have no need for more than one dose per day mostly as a
prophylactic.
I'd rather ward off seasonal infections than have to cure them.
A shot suits me just fine and has worked well for at least a decade.


Your mileage may vary.

Chuck
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On 9/14/2006 9:02:06 PM, Carlos Pérez (explorer...@hotmail.com) wrote:
 Chuck,
 
 When I am in my kitchen I also use a glass, but when I am exercising in my
 
 bicycle or climbing a mountain or jogging along the beach or in a car in a
 
 traffic jam, I do not find it practical to carry a shot glass and stop
 everything I am doing in order to carefully pour the CS in it. By the way,
 I
 think you give too much importance to do it in a Macho way.
 
 Carlos
 
 
 From: cking...@nycap.rr.com
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