Re: CSRe[2]: CSGMO ACTION ALERTS
On Friday, April 26, 2002, at 09:05 AM, John Reeder wrote: Don't drink cow milk, it's not produced for humans. And at a certain age humans shouldn't drink milk either. Try water with CS in it, better for your health. TRUTH! But it doesn't taste as good in my cappucino. :-D Gary. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe[2]: CSGMO ACTION ALERTS
Ode Coyote wrote: There must have been more to it that just that, like maybe, he was under contract with Monsanto on some portion of his property and violated some clause in that contract?..or he really did rip off something or did use second generation Monsanto seeds and used a plausable excuse to hide it? People do lie in court ya know. As Paul Harvey says, what's the rest of the story? Obviously, farmers breaching contracts must be a protection problem for Monsanto or they would not have bothered developing the terminator. If it was terminator pollen and it does render seeds sterile, the farmer wouldn't have a crop to get sued over. It was not over the terminator one, it was on the one that makes the crops immune to roundup. The crop was Rape. Here is one of many articles on this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/gmdebate/Story/0,2763,191157,00.html and http://www.percyschmeiser.com/ Don't get me wrong here, I don't like Monsantos products or tactics either, but there's something fishy about that story. If that actually did happen as stated, it would be pretty wide spread. Pollen does not lend itself to control and Monsanto does not have a seed monopoly [yet]. Are there other stories like it? Check out http://www.purefood.org/monlink.html for more of this type of information on Monsanto heavy handedness. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe[2]: CSGMO ACTION ALERTS
There must have been more to it that just that, like maybe, he was under contract with Monsanto on some portion of his property and violated some clause in that contract?..or he really did rip off something or did use second generation Monsanto seeds and used a plausable excuse to hide it? People do lie in court ya know. As Paul Harvey says, what's the rest of the story? Obviously, farmers breaching contracts must be a protection problem for Monsanto or they would not have bothered developing the terminator. If it was terminator pollen and it does render seeds sterile, the farmer wouldn't have a crop to get sued over. Don't get me wrong here, I don't like Monsantos products or tactics either, but there's something fishy about that story. If that actually did happen as stated, it would be pretty wide spread. Pollen does not lend itself to control and Monsanto does not have a seed monopoly [yet]. Are there other stories like it? Ken At 12:01 AM 4/24/02 -0400, you wrote: Actually there are problems even with that. In Canada a farmer was sued because he was using his own seeds, and some of Monsanto's pollen from another farm blew in, so his crop was a hybrid with Monsanto's genes in it. They tested it, found some of their patented genes, sued and won! Also through cross pollination his crop could produce seeds that are sterile, forcing him to purchase the seeds later. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: Reqardless of what Monsanto might be selling, the farmer does not have to buy it. He can plant any seeds he wants to. Ken How about this one. Just a handful of companies can control the food supply of the world, and the ultimate pricing of such. Using terminator technology, all seeds produced by the plants are sterile. Therefore, the farmer MUST buy new seeds every year, at the going price, which is decided by a small handful of companies. Want to see the ultimate in greed and power? There it is. No one eats unless they can pay your price. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CSRe[2]: CSGMO ACTION ALERTS
As an addendum to this indictment of Monsanto, consider their attempt to make labeling of milk produced from cows shot up - OR NOT - with recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH) into a crime. Their thrust was not merely to make it unnecessary to do so, but a criminal act for any seller of milk to, however honestly, claim the non-use of rBGH. Whatever the effects of this hormone itself may be on humans - and it does show up in the milk of 'treated' cows, and has been traced by the usual radioactive labeling techniques though otherwise undectable by currently employed analytical methods - there's no question it affects the health of the cow, who has been pushed to make an additional 10% of milk. Since dairying is a business with a narrow profit margin and a highly organized 'middleman' structure with many laws on the books regulating and supporting that structure, the herds are already highly stressed. As a result, it becomes necessary to employ antibiotics at an even higher constant preventative basis, loading the milk and the environment with them. The final ironic twist is that all this improvement in productivity has not resulted in much additional profit for the dairyman, who has to micromanage his herd to forestall any signs of infection, cull animals sooner as they wear out under the productive stress, and buy the junk from monsanto, along with the antibiotics, to keep his business functioning. Malcolm Marshall Dudley wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: There must have been more to it that just that, like maybe, he was under contract with Monsanto on some portion of his property and violated some clause in that contract?..or he really did rip off something or did use second generation Monsanto seeds and used a plausable excuse to hide it? People do lie in court ya know. As Paul Harvey says, what's the rest of the story? Obviously, farmers breaching contracts must be a protection problem for Monsanto or they would not have bothered developing the terminator. If it was terminator pollen and it does render seeds sterile, the farmer wouldn't have a crop to get sued over. It was not over the terminator one, it was on the one that makes the crops immune to roundup. The crop was Rape. Here is one of many articles on this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/gmdebate/Story/0,2763,191157,00.html and http://www.percyschmeiser.com/ Don't get me wrong here, I don't like Monsantos products or tactics either, but there's something fishy about that story. If that actually did happen as stated, it would be pretty wide spread. Pollen does not lend itself to control and Monsanto does not have a seed monopoly [yet]. Are there other stories like it? Check out http://www.purefood.org/monlink.html for more of this type of information on Monsanto heavy handedness. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe[2]: CSGMO ACTION ALERTS
Don't drink cow milk, it's not produced for humans. And at a certain age humans shouldn't drink milk either. Try water with CS in it, better for your health. John -Original Message- From: Malcolm Stebbins [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:12 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe[2]: CSGMO ACTION ALERTS As an addendum to this indictment of Monsanto, consider their attempt to make labeling of milk produced from cows shot up - OR NOT - with recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH) into a crime. Their thrust was not merely to make it unnecessary to do so, but a criminal act for any seller of milk to, however honestly, claim the non-use of rBGH. Whatever the effects of this hormone itself may be on humans - and it does show up in the milk of 'treated' cows, and has been traced by the usual radioactive labeling techniques though otherwise undectable by currently employed analytical methods - there's no question it affects the health of the cow, who has been pushed to make an additional 10% of milk. Since dairying is a business with a narrow profit margin and a highly organized 'middleman' structure with many laws on the books regulating and supporting that structure, the herds are already highly stressed. As a result, it becomes necessary to employ antibiotics at an even higher constant preventative basis, loading the milk and the environment with them. The final ironic twist is that all this improvement in productivity has not resulted in much additional profit for the dairyman, who has to micromanage his herd to forestall any signs of infection, cull animals sooner as they wear out under the productive stress, and buy the junk from monsanto, along with the antibiotics, to keep his business functioning. Malcolm Marshall Dudley wrote: Ode Coyote wrote: There must have been more to it that just that, like maybe, he was under contract with Monsanto on some portion of his property and violated some clause in that contract?..or he really did rip off something or did use second generation Monsanto seeds and used a plausable excuse to hide it? People do lie in court ya know. As Paul Harvey says, what's the rest of the story? Obviously, farmers breaching contracts must be a protection problem for Monsanto or they would not have bothered developing the terminator. If it was terminator pollen and it does render seeds sterile, the farmer wouldn't have a crop to get sued over. It was not over the terminator one, it was on the one that makes the crops immune to roundup. The crop was Rape. Here is one of many articles on this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/gmdebate/Story/0,2763,191157,00.html and http://www.percyschmeiser.com/ Don't get me wrong here, I don't like Monsantos products or tactics either, but there's something fishy about that story. If that actually did happen as stated, it would be pretty wide spread. Pollen does not lend itself to control and Monsanto does not have a seed monopoly [yet]. Are there other stories like it? Check out http://www.purefood.org/monlink.html for more of this type of information on Monsanto heavy handedness. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe[2]: CSGMO ACTION ALERTS
Hi John; I believe this is true for a segment of the population, even beyond the strictly lactose intolerant group. However, milk has always been a part of my diet and I have never suffered any ill effects from it. I also know numerous people who guzzle the stuff as heavily as I do, and also do quite well. For some it is an acceptable food, for others, not. There are many things 'not produced for humans' which humans nevertheless relish. Some are astonishing! John Reeder wrote: Don't drink cow milk, it's not produced for humans. And at a certain age humans shouldn't drink milk either. Try water with CS in it, better for your health. John -Original Message- From: Malcolm Stebbins [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:12 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe[2]: CSGMO ACTION ALERTS As an addendum to this indictment of Monsanto, consider their attempt to make labeling of milk produced from cows shot up - OR NOT - with recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH) into a crime. Their thrust was not merely to make it unnecessary to do so, but a criminal act for any seller of milk to, however honestly, claim the non-use of rBGH. Whatever the effects of this hormone itself may be on humans - and it does show up in the milk of 'treated' cows, and has been traced by the usual radioactive labeling techniques though otherwise undectable by currently employed analytical methods - there's no question it affects the health of the cow, who has been pushed to make an additional 10% of milk. Since dairying is a business with a narrow profit margin and a highly organized 'middleman' structure with many laws on the books regulating and supporting that structure, the herds are already highly stressed. As a result, it becomes necessary to employ antibiotics at an even higher constant preventative basis, loading the milk and the environment with them. The final ironic twist is that all this improvement in productivity has not resulted in much additional profit for the dairyman, who has to micromanage his herd to forestall any signs of infection, cull animals sooner as they wear out under the productive stress, and buy the junk from monsanto, along with the antibiotics, to keep his business functioning. Malcolm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe[2]: CSGMO ACTION ALERTS
True Malcolm, but are the hazards associated with milk worth it? I used to guzzle the stuff myself and later in life began to have digestive problems with it (don't know why) and rarely drink it. Just a little bit of cream in my coffee. Water with CS and coffee is about it for me, and, my wife is campaigning to make me quit the coffee. John -Original Message- From: Malcolm Stebbins [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 9:24 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe[2]: CSGMO ACTION ALERTS Hi John; I believe this is true for a segment of the population, even beyond the strictly lactose intolerant group. However, milk has always been a part of my diet and I have never suffered any ill effects from it. I also know numerous people who guzzle the stuff as heavily as I do, and also do quite well. For some it is an acceptable food, for others, not. There are many things 'not produced for humans' which humans nevertheless relish. Some are astonishing! John Reeder wrote: Don't drink cow milk, it's not produced for humans. And at a certain age humans shouldn't drink milk either. Try water with CS in it, better for your health. John -Original Message- From: Malcolm Stebbins [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:12 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe[2]: CSGMO ACTION ALERTS As an addendum to this indictment of Monsanto, consider their attempt to make labeling of milk produced from cows shot up - OR NOT - with recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH) into a crime. Their thrust was not merely to make it unnecessary to do so, but a criminal act for any seller of milk to, however honestly, claim the non-use of rBGH. Whatever the effects of this hormone itself may be on humans - and it does show up in the milk of 'treated' cows, and has been traced by the usual radioactive labeling techniques though otherwise undectable by currently employed analytical methods - there's no question it affects the health of the cow, who has been pushed to make an additional 10% of milk. Since dairying is a business with a narrow profit margin and a highly organized 'middleman' structure with many laws on the books regulating and supporting that structure, the herds are already highly stressed. As a result, it becomes necessary to employ antibiotics at an even higher constant preventative basis, loading the milk and the environment with them. The final ironic twist is that all this improvement in productivity has not resulted in much additional profit for the dairyman, who has to micromanage his herd to forestall any signs of infection, cull animals sooner as they wear out under the productive stress, and buy the junk from monsanto, along with the antibiotics, to keep his business functioning. Malcolm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe[2]: CSGMO ACTION ALERTS
Actually there are problems even with that. In Canada a farmer was sued because he was using his own seeds, and some of Monsanto's pollen from another farm blew in, so his crop was a hybrid with Monsanto's genes in it. They tested it, found some of their patented genes, sued and won! Also through cross pollination his crop could produce seeds that are sterile, forcing him to purchase the seeds later. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: Reqardless of what Monsanto might be selling, the farmer does not have to buy it. He can plant any seeds he wants to. Ken How about this one. Just a handful of companies can control the food supply of the world, and the ultimate pricing of such. Using terminator technology, all seeds produced by the plants are sterile. Therefore, the farmer MUST buy new seeds every year, at the going price, which is decided by a small handful of companies. Want to see the ultimate in greed and power? There it is. No one eats unless they can pay your price. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CSRe[2]: CSGMO ACTION ALERTS
Reqardless of what Monsanto might be selling, the farmer does not have to buy it. He can plant any seeds he wants to. Ken How about this one. Just a handful of companies can control the food supply of the world, and the ultimate pricing of such. Using terminator technology, all seeds produced by the plants are sterile. Therefore, the farmer MUST buy new seeds every year, at the going price, which is decided by a small handful of companies. Want to see the ultimate in greed and power? There it is. No one eats unless they can pay your price. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe[2]: CSGMO ACTION ALERTS
Did he sue for contamination of his crops by Monsanto genes? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSRe[2]: CSGMO ACTION ALERTS Actually there are problems even with that. In Canada a farmer was sued because he was using his own seeds, and some of Monsanto's pollen from another farm blew in, so his crop was a hybrid with Monsanto's genes in it. They tested it, found some of their patented genes, sued and won! Also through cross pollination his crop could produce seeds that are sterile, forcing him to purchase the seeds later. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: Reqardless of what Monsanto might be selling, the farmer does not have to buy it. He can plant any seeds he wants to. Ken How about this one. Just a handful of companies can control the food supply of the world, and the ultimate pricing of such. Using terminator technology, all seeds produced by the plants are sterile. Therefore, the farmer MUST buy new seeds every year, at the going price, which is decided by a small handful of companies. Want to see the ultimate in greed and power? There it is. No one eats unless they can pay your price. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CSRe[2]: CSGMO ACTION ALERTS
Yes, but what if the clean seeds you planted last year become contaminated seeds from GMO cross-pollination? Can you sue Monsanto for the contamination? Probably only if you beat them to the punch...before they can sue you for patent infringement... Heather -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coy...@alltel.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe[2]: CSGMO ACTION ALERTS Reqardless of what Monsanto might be selling, the farmer does not have to buy it. He can plant any seeds he wants to. Ken How about this one. Just a handful of companies can control the food supply of the world, and the ultimate pricing of such. Using terminator technology, all seeds produced by the plants are sterile. Therefore, the farmer MUST buy new seeds every year, at the going price, which is decided by a small handful of companies. Want to see the ultimate in greed and power? There it is. No one eats unless they can pay your price. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
