Re: CSStoring water
Old wives ..no tail. Gotta have lizards in the well. Salamanders in the cistern, actually [They can't live in bad water ] ..poorly designed cistern? ode At 05:14 AM 11/6/2012 -0800, you wrote: Hi Ode, This is interesting and useful information. I lived with cisterns and while I would bathe in the water I wouldn't drink it. Every time I did I got sick. Then the cistern was cleaned and you wouldn't believe what they shoveled out at the bottom. No wonder I got sick. Live and dead critters! Just my experience. PT From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, November 6, 2012 8:03:49 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water Experiments in collecting rain water off a tin roof: Let it rain a while to wash the roof and the airthe water came up quite pure at around 2 uS conductivity or less. Probably not uniformly sterile, but cisterns have been used for potable water for centuries. [usually made of concrete or masonry where lime might sterilize the water] Back in the day: I would tie a very large tarp by the corners to tree trunks, cut a hole in the central sag to fill an upended open ended [with screen wire to keep out the skeeters], 275 gallon drum...spigot and hose just off the bottom. ..nice dry spot to watch it rain from and LOTS of water, very fast, even during a light rain. [but with everything smaller than screen that was on the trees in it ] Inexpensive water filter [used for years and years to filter rain water caught on the old bus roof channeled into hose line by gutters on the sides] 10 feet of 4 PVC pipe and end caps drilled and tapped to take 1/2 pipe thread hose fittings , polyester pillow stuffing and a few pounds of activated charcoal. Interesting process learned last night: A clear water bottle left in full sun with Aluminum foil on one side to reflect concentrated sunlight back into the bottle [parabolic mirror] will sterilize the water in about 6 hours. Heat? and concentrated UV light. UV lights are often installed along well to home water lines. Looking into water purification kits at REI... Some had powdered Chlorine to kill everything..and..H2O2 to drive off the Chlorine. ie: Add H202 to tap water and wind up with water with no sterilant in it. -Does hydrogen peroxide remove chlorine? Hydrogen peroxide can be used for dechlorination, in other words to remove residual chlorine. Residual chlorine forms corrosive acids when it is oxidised by air or condenses in process systems. When chlorine reacts with hydrogen peroxide, the hydrogen peroxide falls apart into water and oxygen. Chlorine gas hydrolyses into hypochlorous acid (HOCl), which subsequently ionises into hypochlorite ions (OCl-). Cl2 + H2O à HOCl + HCl à H2O + OCl- After that, hydrogen peroxide reacts with the hypochlorite: OCl- + H2O2 à Cl- + H2O + O2 The reaction between hydrogen peroxide and hypochlorite takes place very quickly. Other organic and inorganic substances cannot react with hypochlorite. Lots of info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach#Color_safe_bleachhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach#Color_safe_bleach Boiling for water sterilization Boiling can be used as a method of water disinfection but is only advocated as an emergency water treatment method, or as a method of portable water purification in rural or wilderness settings without access to a potable water infrastructure. Bringing water to the boil is effective in killing or inactivating most bacteria, viruses and pathogens. Boiling is the most certain way of killing nearly all microorganisms. According to the Wilderness Medical Societyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling#cite_note-backpackers_field_manual-0[1], water temperatures above 160°F (70°C) kill all pathogens within 30 minutes and above 185°F (85°C) within a few minutes. So in the time it takes for the water to reach the boiling point (212°F or 100°C) from 160°F (70°C), all pathogens will be killed, even at high altitude. To be extra safe, let the water boil rapidly for one minute, especially at higher altitudes since water boils at a lower temperature.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling#cite_note-backpackers_field_manual-0[1] Silver, copper and zinc are all metals that will kill micro-organisms at very low concentrations. Hydronium [H3], an acidic byproduct of electrolysis will sterilize water at low concentrations as well..and..it neutralizes after a while as it finds the counterpart also produced, or both bubble off. Warm up that water in the sun to help de-gass it. Got a car battery, [solar panel? Bicycle with old style generator?] some old galvanized pipe or copper wire and some jumper cables ? Ode Ode
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Actually poisonous toads! And yes, probably a poorly designed cistern but I have seen frogs come out of toilets by going down the roof pipes and coming up drains as well. PT From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, November 7, 2012 8:56:46 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water Old wives ..no tail. Gotta have lizards in the well. Salamanders in the cistern, actually [They can't live in bad water ] ..poorly designed cistern? ode At 05:14 AM 11/6/2012 -0800, you wrote: Hi Ode, This is interesting and useful information. I lived with cisterns and while I would bathe in the water I wouldn't drink it. Every time I did I got sick. Then the cistern was cleaned and you wouldn't believe what they shoveled out at the bottom. No wonder I got sick. Live and dead critters! Just my experience. PT From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, November 6, 2012 8:03:49 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water Experiments in collecting rain water off a tin roof: Let it rain a while to wash the roof and the airthe water came up quite pure at around 2 uS conductivity or less. Probably not uniformly sterile, but cisterns have been used for potable water for centuries. [usually made of concrete or masonry where lime might sterilize the water] Back in the day: I would tie a very large tarp by the corners to tree trunks, cut a hole in the central sag to fill an upended open ended [with screen wire to keep out the skeeters], 275 gallon drum...spigot and hose just off the bottom. ..nice dry spot to watch it rain from and LOTS of water, very fast, even during a light rain. [but with everything smaller than screen that was on the trees in it ] Inexpensive water filter [used for years and years to filter rain water caught on the old bus roof channeled into hose line by gutters on the sides] 10 feet of 4 PVC pipe and end caps drilled and tapped to take 1/2 pipe thread hose fittings , polyester pillow stuffing and a few pounds of activated charcoal. Interesting process learned last night: A clear water bottle left in full sun with Aluminum foil on one side to reflect concentrated sunlight back into the bottle [parabolic mirror] will sterilize the water in about 6 hours. Heat? and concentrated UV light. UV lights are often installed along well to home water lines. Looking into water purification kits at REI... Some had powdered Chlorine to kill everything..and..H2O2 to drive off the Chlorine. ie: Add H202 to tap water and wind up with water with no sterilant in it. -Does hydrogen peroxide remove chlorine? Hydrogen peroxide can be used for dechlorination, in other words to remove residual chlorine. Residual chlorine forms corrosive acids when it is oxidised by air or condenses in process systems. When chlorine reacts with hydrogen peroxide, the hydrogen peroxide falls apart into water and oxygen. Chlorine gas hydrolyses into hypochlorous acid (HOCl), which subsequently ionises into hypochlorite ions (OCl-). Cl2 + H2O à HOCl + HCl à H2O + OCl- After that, hydrogen peroxide reacts with the hypochlorite: OCl- + H2O2 à Cl- + H2O + O2 The reaction between hydrogen peroxide and hypochlorite takes place very quickly. Other organic and inorganic substances cannot react with hypochlorite. Lots of info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach#Color_safe_bleach Boiling for water sterilization Boiling can be used as a method of water disinfection but is only advocated as an emergency water treatment method, or as a method of portable water purification in rural or wilderness settings without access to a potable water infrastructure. Bringing water to the boil is effective in killing or inactivating most bacteria, viruses and pathogens. Boiling is the most certain way of killing nearly all microorganisms. According to the Wilderness Medical Society[1], water temperatures above 160°F (70°C) kill all pathogens within 30 minutes and above 185°F (85°C) within a few minutes. So in the time it takes for the water to reach the boiling point (212°F or 100°C) from 160°F (70°C), all pathogens will be killed, even at high altitude. To be extra safe, let the water boil rapidly for one minute, especially at higher altitudes since water boils at a lower temperature.[1] Silver, copper and zinc are all metals that will kill micro-organisms at very low concentrations. Hydronium [H3], an acidic byproduct of electrolysis will sterilize water at low concentrations as well..and..it neutralizes after a while as it finds the counterpart also produced, or both bubble off. Warm up that water in the sun to help de-gass it. Got a car battery, [solar panel? Bicycle with old style generator?] some old galvanized pipe or copper wire and some jumper cables ? Ode Ode
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Thanks for all the replies. I'm afraid the Berkey is beyond my means. I've seen the water bob things for the bath but it's not quite what I'm looking for. To be honest, I don't actually see a Sandy type disaster here, though I agree never say never. There have however been several times when the water supply has been disrupted, often without any notice. The main water supply pipes have been around since Victorian times and do have a habit of bursting in the winter. We're in a small 4th floor flat. We usually have a supply of bottled water on hand, as it's all my son drinks (not that i agree with that) and we store quite a few of the used containers filled with tap water around the toilet, so that we have a supply to flush it. I was just wondering in an emergency, if we were out of bottled water, how to make sure that stored tap water was safe to drink? I always thought adding CS was a good idea? If I was to use hydrogen peroxide 35% or 3%, any idea how much I would add to a quart/litre? I haven't managed to find any info on this as every site I've come across recommends adding iodine, whiich i suppose is another option. cheers Kirsteen
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Experiments in collecting rain water off a tin roof: Let it rain a while to wash the roof and the airthe water came up quite pure at around 2 uS conductivity or less. Probably not uniformly sterile, but cisterns have been used for potable water for centuries. [usually made of concrete or masonry where lime might sterilize the water] Back in the day: I would tie a very large tarp by the corners to tree trunks, cut a hole in the central sag to fill an upended open ended [with screen wire to keep out the skeeters], 275 gallon drum...spigot and hose just off the bottom. ..nice dry spot to watch it rain from and LOTS of water, very fast, even during a light rain. [but with everything smaller than screen that was on the trees in it ] Inexpensive water filter [used for years and years to filter rain water caught on the old bus roof channeled into hose line by gutters on the sides] 10 feet of 4 PVC pipe and end caps drilled and tapped to take 1/2 pipe thread hose fittings , polyester pillow stuffing and a few pounds of activated charcoal. Interesting process learned last night: A clear water bottle left in full sun with Aluminum foil on one side to reflect concentrated sunlight back into the bottle [parabolic mirror] will sterilize the water in about 6 hours. Heat? and concentrated UV light. UV lights are often installed along well to home water lines. Looking into water purification kits at REI... Some had powdered Chlorine to kill everything..and..H2O2 to drive off the Chlorine. ie: Add H202 to tap water and wind up with water with no sterilant in it. -Does hydrogen peroxide remove chlorine? Hydrogen peroxide can be used for dechlorination, in other words to remove residual chlorine. Residual chlorine forms corrosive acids when it is oxidised by air or condenses in process systems. When chlorine reacts with hydrogen peroxide, the hydrogen peroxide falls apart into water and oxygen. Chlorine gas hydrolyses into hypochlorous acid (HOCl), which subsequently ionises into hypochlorite ions (OCl-). Cl2 + H2O à HOCl + HCl à H2O + OCl- After that, hydrogen peroxide reacts with the hypochlorite: OCl- + H2O2 à Cl- + H2O + O2 The reaction between hydrogen peroxide and hypochlorite takes place very quickly. Other organic and inorganic substances cannot react with hypochlorite. Lots of info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach#Color_safe_bleach Boiling for water sterilization Boiling can be used as a method of water disinfection but is only advocated as an emergency water treatment method, or as a method of portable water purification in rural or wilderness settings without access to a potable water infrastructure. Bringing water to the boil is effective in killing or inactivating most bacteria, viruses and pathogens. Boiling is the most certain way of killing nearly all microorganisms. According to the Wilderness Medical Societyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling#cite_note-backpackers_field_manual-0[1], water temperatures above 160°F (70°C) kill all pathogens within 30 minutes and above 185°F (85°C) within a few minutes. So in the time it takes for the water to reach the boiling point (212°F or 100°C) from 160°F (70°C), all pathogens will be killed, even at high altitude. To be extra safe, let the water boil rapidly for one minute, especially at higher altitudes since water boils at a lower temperature.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling#cite_note-backpackers_field_manual-0[1] Silver, copper and zinc are all metals that will kill micro-organisms at very low concentrations. Hydronium [H3], an acidic byproduct of electrolysis will sterilize water at low concentrations as well..and..it neutralizes after a while as it finds the counterpart also produced, or both bubble off. Warm up that water in the sun to help de-gass it. Got a car battery, [solar panel? Bicycle with old style generator?] some old galvanized pipe or copper wire and some jumper cables ? Ode Ode
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Hi Ode, This is interesting and useful information. I lived with cisterns and while I would bathe in the water I wouldn't drink it. Every time I did I got sick. Then the cistern was cleaned and you wouldn't believe what they shoveled out at the bottom. No wonder I got sick. Live and dead critters! Just my experience. PT From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, November 6, 2012 8:03:49 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water Experiments in collecting rain water off a tin roof: Let it rain a while to wash the roof and the airthe water came up quite pure at around 2 uS conductivity or less. Probably not uniformly sterile, but cisterns have been used for potable water for centuries. [usually made of concrete or masonry where lime might sterilize the water] Back in the day: I would tie a very large tarp by the corners to tree trunks, cut a hole in the central sag to fill an upended open ended [with screen wire to keep out the skeeters], 275 gallon drum...spigot and hose just off the bottom. ..nice dry spot to watch it rain from and LOTS of water, very fast, even during a light rain. [but with everything smaller than screen that was on the trees in it ] Inexpensive water filter [used for years and years to filter rain water caught on the old bus roof channeled into hose line by gutters on the sides] 10 feet of 4 PVC pipe and end caps drilled and tapped to take 1/2 pipe thread hose fittings , polyester pillow stuffing and a few pounds of activated charcoal. Interesting process learned last night: A clear water bottle left in full sun with Aluminum foil on one side to reflect concentrated sunlight back into the bottle [parabolic mirror] will sterilize the water in about 6 hours. Heat? and concentrated UV light. UV lights are often installed along well to home water lines. Looking into water purification kits at REI... Some had powdered Chlorine to kill everything..and..H2O2 to drive off the Chlorine. ie: Add H202 to tap water and wind up with water with no sterilant in it. -Does hydrogen peroxide remove chlorine? Hydrogen peroxide can be used for dechlorination, in other words to remove residual chlorine. Residual chlorine forms corrosive acids when it is oxidised by air or condenses in process systems. When chlorine reacts with hydrogen peroxide, the hydrogen peroxide falls apart into water and oxygen. Chlorine gas hydrolyses into hypochlorous acid (HOCl), which subsequently ionises into hypochlorite ions (OCl-). Cl2 + H2O à HOCl + HCl à H2O + OCl- After that, hydrogen peroxide reacts with the hypochlorite: OCl- + H2O2 à Cl- + H2O + O2 The reaction between hydrogen peroxide and hypochlorite takes place very quickly. Other organic and inorganic substances cannot react with hypochlorite. Lots of info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach#Color_safe_bleach Boiling for water sterilizationBoiling can be used as a method of water disinfection but is only advocated as an emergency water treatment method, or as a method of portable water purification in rural or wilderness settings without access to a potable water infrastructure. Bringing water to the boil is effective in killing or inactivating most bacteria, viruses and pathogens. Boiling is the most certain way of killing nearly all microorganisms. According to the Wilderness Medical Society[1], water temperatures above 160°F (70°C) kill all pathogens within 30 minutes and above 185°F (85°C) within a few minutes. So in the time it takes for the water to reach the boiling point (212°F or 100°C) from 160°F (70°C), all pathogens will be killed, even at high altitude. To be extra safe, let the water boil rapidly for one minute, especially at higher altitudes since water boils at a lower temperature.[1] Silver, copper and zinc are all metals that will kill micro-organisms at very low concentrations. Hydronium [H3], an acidic byproduct of electrolysis will sterilize water at low concentrations as well..and..it neutralizes after a while as it finds the counterpart also produced, or both bubble off. Warm up that water in the sun to help de-gass it. Got a car battery, [solar panel? Bicycle with old style generator?] some old galvanized pipe or copper wire and some jumper cables ? Ode Ode
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Hello Kirsteen, IF disaster strikes, even your old bottled tap water for the toilet will be better than any new tap water that could be available. I bought an Aquarain several years ago http://www.aquarain.com/ It's made in the USA (or at least enough is to claim that). There are a few slight differences between the Aquarain and the Berkey but they do not have to be significant. As nearly as I can tell, price ,no way to hook up a fluoride filter, and the size of the stem that goes from the filter into the clean tank. The Berkey fluoride filter works for 6000 gallons and may be worth the money. It may also be adapted to the AquaRain; after I saw the price I didn't look at it. I put some Borax in the to-be-filtered water and take some in my coffee daily to counter Fl. The size of the stem IS important but not a purchase problem because if you want to use a Black Berkey (the best from what I've read) ceramic filter you just take it to the hardware store and buy 4 wing nuts that fit the stem. If I were doing it again, I wouldn't even buy the Aqua Rain. It is less than the Berkey but money is tight. Since my research (14 yrs agi) there are marvelous youtubes and other sites showing you have to piece together materials to make a water filter like either the Berkey or the Aqua Rain at considerably less expense. Once you know what the significant parts are and how they work, your imagination's the limit. Spend money on the best filter you can buy. If you're in a hurry, make that filters. The more ceramic cones you use in a filter, the faster the water flows. IF you know that your water needs purified (river, roof, mud puddle water) and are concerned about the viability of the filter, add a slosh of iodine or bleach or peroxide to the filtration chamber. It'll kill anything going thru the filter. If I put food coloring in the top, the water in the bottom comes thru' clear--kinda cool. You want a filter that will remove microorganisms. I found one site that had a neat-looking comparison of all the ceramic filter units but the data did not fit my experience so I chalked it up to sales fluff. FWIW Saralou http://www.motherearthnews.com/do-it-yourself/diy-ceramic-water-filters-zwfz1207zmat.aspx http://www.aquatechnology.net/ceramicfiltration.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XEoc2ocds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrfcuqQ76qI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unSyXvtvlDEfeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3q-GODhrFAfeature=related Explains well. However, filter is for potable water unless you add a 3rd bucket with a finer filter. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/CAMP-352 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFfLbeXDav8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w21d_YXiOOUfeature=related http://www.monolithic.com/stories/a-practical-life-sustaining-water-filter http://www.amazon.com/Berkey-British-Berkefeld-Ceramic-Filters/product-reviews/B002RZRJHI http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/CAMP-354 http://www.survivalblog.com/2012/06/pats-product-review-just-water-brand-ceramic-drip-filter-system.html http://kopernik.info/en-us/technology/water-filter http://www.berkeywater.com/start.main.html http://www.bigberkey.com/ A PERFORMANCE STUDY OF CERAMIC /CANDLE FILTERS/ IN *...* http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/31120/61162474.pdfdspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/31120/61162474.pdf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDm28tC1XyE http://doultonusa.com/HTML%20pages/candles.htm On 11/6/2012 7:12 AM, Kirsteen Wright wrote: Thanks for all the replies. I'm afraid the Berkey is beyond my means. I've seen the water bob things for the bath but it's not quite what I'm looking for. To be honest, I don't actually see a Sandy type disaster here, though I agree never say never. There have however been several times when the water supply has been disrupted, often without any notice. The main water supply pipes have been around since Victorian times and do have a habit of bursting in the winter. We're in a small 4th floor flat. We usually have a supply of bottled water on hand, as it's all my son drinks (not that i agree with that) and we store quite a few of the used containers filled with tap water around the toilet, so that we have a supply to flush it. I was just wondering in an emergency, if we were out of bottled water, how to make sure that stored tap water was safe to drink? I always thought adding CS was a good idea? If I was to use hydrogen peroxide 35% or 3%, any idea how much I would add to a quart/litre? I haven't managed to find any info on this as every site I've come across recommends adding iodine, whiich i suppose is another option. cheers Kirsteen -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives:
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I believe chlorine evaporates out of water in about 6 hours if left open to the air. _ From: PT Ferrance [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 5:14 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSStoring water Hi Ode, This is interesting and useful information. I lived with cisterns and while I would bathe in the water I wouldn't drink it. Every time I did I got sick. Then the cistern was cleaned and you wouldn't believe what they shoveled out at the bottom. No wonder I got sick. Live and dead critters! Just my experience. PT _ From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, November 6, 2012 8:03:49 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water Experiments in collecting rain water off a tin roof: Let it rain a while to wash the roof and the airthe water came up quite pure at around 2 uS conductivity or less. Probably not uniformly sterile, but cisterns have been used for potable water for centuries. [usually made of concrete or masonry where lime might sterilize the water] Back in the day: I would tie a very large tarp by the corners to tree trunks, cut a hole in the central sag to fill an upended open ended [with screen wire to keep out the skeeters], 275 gallon drum...spigot and hose just off the bottom. ..nice dry spot to watch it rain from and LOTS of water, very fast, even during a light rain. [but with everything smaller than screen that was on the trees in it ] Inexpensive water filter [used for years and years to filter rain water caught on the old bus roof channeled into hose line by gutters on the sides] 10 feet of 4 PVC pipe and end caps drilled and tapped to take 1/2 pipe thread hose fittings , polyester pillow stuffing and a few pounds of activated charcoal. Interesting process learned last night: A clear water bottle left in full sun with Aluminum foil on one side to reflect concentrated sunlight back into the bottle [parabolic mirror] will sterilize the water in about 6 hours. Heat? and concentrated UV light. UV lights are often installed along well to home water lines. Looking into water purification kits at REI... Some had powdered Chlorine to kill everything..and..H2O2 to drive off the Chlorine. ie: Add H202 to tap water and wind up with water with no sterilant in it. -Does hydrogen peroxide remove chlorine? Hydrogen peroxide can be used for dechlorination, in other words to remove residual chlorine. Residual chlorine forms corrosive acids when it is oxidised by air or condenses in process systems. When chlorine reacts with hydrogen peroxide, the hydrogen peroxide falls apart into water and oxygen. Chlorine gas hydrolyses into hypochlorous acid (HOCl), which subsequently ionises into hypochlorite ions (OCl-). Cl2 + H2O à HOCl + HCl à H2O + OCl- After that, hydrogen peroxide reacts with the hypochlorite: OCl- + H2O2 à Cl- + H2O + O2 The reaction between hydrogen peroxide and hypochlorite takes place very quickly. Other organic and inorganic substances cannot react with hypochlorite. Lots of info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach#Color_safe_bleach Boiling for water sterilization Boiling can be used as a method of water disinfection but is only advocated as an emergency water treatment method, or as a method of portable water purification in rural or wilderness settings without access to a potable water infrastructure. Bringing water to the boil is effective in killing or inactivating most bacteria, viruses and pathogens. Boiling is the most certain way of killing nearly all microorganisms. According to the Wilderness Medical Society http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling#cite_note-backpackers_field_manual-0 [1], water temperatures above 160°F (70°C) kill all pathogens within 30 minutes and above 185°F (85°C) within a few minutes. So in the time it takes for the water to reach the boiling point (212°F or 100°C) from 160°F (70°C), all pathogens will be killed, even at high altitude. To be extra safe, let the water boil rapidly for one minute, especially at higher altitudes since water boils at a lower temperature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling#cite_note-backpackers_field_manual-0 [1] Silver, copper and zinc are all metals that will kill micro-organisms at very low concentrations. Hydronium [H3], an acidic byproduct of electrolysis will sterilize water at low concentrations as well..and..it neutralizes after a while as it finds the counterpart also produced, or both bubble off. Warm up that water in the sun to help de-gass it. Got a car battery, [solar panel? Bicycle with old style generator?] some old galvanized pipe or copper wire and some jumper cables ? Ode Ode
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I buy water at a Culligan filter station her in a Big store it is 29 cents a gallon if you bring your own container...I always put about a tablespoon in each one because I buy six at a time and don't use them right away...I believe I learned this on this group, Debbie :) From: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: CSStoring water Having looked at the havoc caused by Sandy, I was thinking it would be a good idea to store some drinking water. The sites I've read all say that, if you store tap water, it should be replaced every 6 months. I was wondering if I added some CS to it, would it last longer, if so, roughly when should it be replaced? Or would I be better adding some food grade hydrogen peroxide? Any ideas cheers Kirsteen
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Tablespoon of what Debbie? Thanks Jane - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 2:33 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water I buy water at a Culligan filter station her in a Big store it is 29 cents a gallon if you bring your own container...I always put about a tablespoon in each one because I buy six at a time and don't use them right away...I believe I learned this on this group, Debbie :) -- From: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: CSStoring water Having looked at the havoc caused by Sandy, I was thinking it would be a good idea to store some drinking water. The sites I've read all say that, if you store tap water, it should be replaced every 6 months. I was wondering if I added some CS to it, would it last longer, if so, roughly when should it be replaced? Or would I be better adding some food grade hydrogen peroxide? Any ideas cheers Kirsteen No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5373 - Release Date: 11/04/12
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CS..sorry..not awake yet :) From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water Tablespoon of what Debbie? Thanks Jane - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 2:33 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water I buy water at a Culligan filter station her in a Big store it is 29 cents a gallon if you bring your own container...I always put about a tablespoon in each one because I buy six at a time and don't use them right away...I believe I learned this on this group, Debbie :) From: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: CSStoring water Having looked at the havoc caused by Sandy, I was thinking it would be a good idea to store some drinking water. The sites I've read all say that, if you store tap water, it should be replaced every 6 months. I was wondering if I added some CS to it, would it last longer, if so, roughly when should it be replaced? Or would I be better adding some food grade hydrogen peroxide? Any ideas cheers Kirsteen No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5373 - Release Date: 11/04/12
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Thanks :) - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 3:00 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water CS..sorry..not awake yet :) -- From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water Tablespoon of what Debbie? Thanks Jane - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 2:33 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water I buy water at a Culligan filter station her in a Big store it is 29 cents a gallon if you bring your own container...I always put about a tablespoon in each one because I buy six at a time and don't use them right away...I believe I learned this on this group, Debbie :) From: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: CSStoring water Having looked at the havoc caused by Sandy, I was thinking it would be a good idea to store some drinking water. The sites I've read all say that, if you store tap water, it should be replaced every 6 months. I was wondering if I added some CS to it, would it last longer, if so, roughly when should it be replaced? Or would I be better adding some food grade hydrogen peroxide? Any ideas cheers Kirsteen No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5373 - Release Date: 11/04/12 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5373 - Release Date: 11/04/12
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The issues are that the CS would combine with the various other chemicals in the water such as salts and form compounds that may not be as effective as one may believe. Also remember tap water has chlorine so it's not totally without protection. Although it may also have germs/ parasite in there too! Hydrogen peroxide sounds like a good idea given the issues or forms of iodine crystals. Look at survivalist websites on this Peace to all Asif On 5 Nov 2012, at 16:04, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net wrote: Thanks :) - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 3:00AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water CS..sorry..not awake yet :) From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water Tablespoon of what Debbie? Thanks Jane - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 2:33 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water I buy water at a Culligan filter station her in a Big store it is 29 cents a gallon if you bring your own container...I always put about a tablespoon in each one because I buy six at a time and don't use them right away...I believe I learned this on this group, Debbie :) From: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: CSStoring water Having looked at the havoc caused by Sandy, I was thinking it would be a good idea to store some drinking water. The sites I've read all say that, if you store tap water, it should be replaced every 6 months. I was wondering if I added some CS to it, would it last longer, if so, roughly when should it be replaced? Or would I be better adding some food grade hydrogen peroxide? Any ideas cheers Kirsteen No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5373 - Release Date: 11/04/12 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5373 - Release Date: 11/04/12
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Consider buying a Berkey water filter, I have one and love it. If/when Sandy comes knocking, assuming you have some warning, you could fill a bathtub with water and filter it thru the Berkey as needed. They also sell very cheap bladders that fit in the bathtub to hold water (check Amazon). This also assumes you have at least a little warning. -Alan On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com wrote: Having looked at the havoc caused by Sandy, I was thinking it would be a good idea to store some drinking water. The sites I've read all say that, if you store tap water, it should be replaced every 6 months. I was wondering if I added some CS to it, would it last longer, if so, roughly when should it be replaced? Or would I be better adding some food grade hydrogen peroxide? Any ideas cheers Kirsteen -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
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Asif, Would that include reverse osmosis water? Thanks, Debbie From: Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water The issues are that the CS would combine with the various other chemicals in the water such as salts and form compounds that may not be as effective as one may believe. Also remember tap water has chlorine so it's not totally without protection. Although it may also have germs/ parasite in there too! Hydrogen peroxide sounds like a good idea given the issues or forms of iodine crystals. Look at survivalist websites on this Peace to all Asif On 5 Nov 2012, at 16:04, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net wrote: Thanks :) - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 3:00 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water CS..sorry..not awake yet :) From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water Tablespoon of what Debbie? Thanks Jane - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 2:33 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water I buy water at a Culligan filter station her in a Big store it is 29 cents a gallon if you bring your own container...I always put about a tablespoon in each one because I buy six at a time and don't use them right away...I believe I learned this on this group, Debbie :) From: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: CSStoring water Having looked at the havoc caused by Sandy, I was thinking it would be a good idea to store some drinking water. The sites I've read all say that, if you store tap water, it should be replaced every 6 months. I was wondering if I added some CS to it, would it last longer, if so, roughly when should it be replaced? Or would I be better adding some food grade hydrogen peroxide? Any ideas cheers Kirsteen No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5373 - Release Date: 11/04/12 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5373 - Release Date: 11/04/12
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RO water is technically good but certain realities must be kept in mind If using at home ensure you use a decent unit with a pump as the RO membrane works best when the water is first pressurised ( please see osmotic water theory) also some units include an after filter to replace the beneficial minerals lost during the filtering process thats something else to avoid in this scenario. Otherwise RO water is pretty much the best thing after single distilled water. But I wouldn't brew with it! On 5 Nov 2012, at 16:34, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com wrote: Asif, Would that include reverse osmosis water? Thanks, Debbie From: Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water The issues are that the CS would combine with the various other chemicals in the water such as salts and form compounds that may not be as effective as one may believe. Also remember tap water has chlorine so it's not totally without protection. Although it may also have germs/ parasite in there too! Hydrogen peroxide sounds like a good idea given the issues or forms of iodine crystals. Look at survivalist websites on this Peace to all Asif On 5 Nov 2012, at 16:04, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net wrote: Thanks :) - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 3:00 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water CS..sorry..not awake yet :) From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water Tablespoon of what Debbie? Thanks Jane - Original Message - From: Deborah Gerard To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 2:33 AM Subject: Re: CSStoring water I buy water at a Culligan filter station her in a Big store it is 29 cents a gallon if you bring your own container...I always put about a tablespoon in each one because I buy six at a time and don't use them right away...I believe I learned this on this group, Debbie :) From: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 10:25 AM Subject: CSStoring water Having looked at the havoc caused by Sandy, I was thinking it would be a good idea to store some drinking water. The sites I've read all say that, if you store tap water, it should be replaced every 6 months. I was wondering if I added some CS to it, would it last longer, if so, roughly when should it be replaced? Or would I be better adding some food grade hydrogen peroxide? Any ideas cheers Kirsteen No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5373 - Release Date: 11/04/12 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5373 - Release Date: 11/04/12
