RE: CSWARNING: Shock Hazard, Sears Distiller
Bill and Mike: Bill - the fact that it hasn't a grounded plug is probably because the unit is double-insulated (as Bill Lee pointed out). Mike: I am also getting double copies of Bill's posting. Are you getting double copies of mine??? Dean -Original Message- From: Bill Schramm [mailto:wschr...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 5:49 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: woodw...@educelec.com Subject: Re: CSWARNING: Shock Hazard, Sears Distiller You are correct, Dean. I first looked askance at the turn the plug around idea because virtually all modern 2 wire power cords are polarised. However the one on the Sears distiller is NOT polarised. It can be easily inverted. One direction I read 0.7 VAC in the other direction I read 24 VAC. Guess you need to plug it in the right way and leave it there. Incidentally, any of you who have the EcoWater portable distiller, it is the same product. If you look closely on the Sears package or on labels it will say Manufacturer EcoWater. It surprises me that a product that pulls 5A can ship with a nonpolarised 2 wire plug AND still get the UL sticker (which it has). -- From: Dean Woodward woodw...@educelec.com To: l...@fbtc.net; Bill Schramm wschr...@ix.netcom.com Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSWARNING: Shock Hazard, Sears Distiller Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 8:34 AM Bill: I have done a few more measurements on my Sears distiller. The resistance from both sides of the plug to the metal cannister is greater than 30 megohms (as high as my unit measures). With the unit plugged in (not in water, give me a break :)) I read 50 volts ac between the cannister and ground (same readings with sink as ground and with ground wire in ac plug as ground). If I turn the ac plug around I only read 5 volts ac to ground. I just checked the wall socket and have 120 volts ac from one connector to ground and about 7 millivolts from the other side to ground. So I think that is normal. I don't have any idea where I am getting the 50 volts. If the heating element is grounded at 50/120 of the way from one end, then turning the plug around should make the reading 70 volts. But it doesn't. They didn't teach me this at AM in EE 101. Dean -Original Message- From: Tai-Pan [mailto:l...@fbtc.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 8:49 AM To: Bill Schramm Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWARNING: Shock Hazard, Sears Distiller Bill Schramm wrote: I also received an unpleasant shock from my sears distiller. It happened when the unit was being cleaned in a metal sink. Unit does contain a do not immerse warning. Thereafter I never clean it without unplugging -- Holy Smoke Folks, Putting electric things in water,with power on!! Throwing gasoline on fires!! I don`t do funerals very well, and I like you all alot, so knock off the dumb stuff. Scareing the hell out of me. :-) Engage brain before starting hands. Think about what you are doing, then think again. Most things require ten minutes of thinking and only one minute of doing. Hind sight is not good, you will be dead before you get to do it. Safety starts at home, not somewhere else. Your brain is your best safety tool. Use it. Bless you Bob Lee -- oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast l...@fbtc.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSWARNING: Shock Hazard, Sears Distiller
You are correct, Dean. I first looked askance at the turn the plug around idea because virtually all modern 2 wire power cords are polarised. However the one on the Sears distiller is NOT polarised. It can be easily inverted. One direction I read 0.7 VAC in the other direction I read 24 VAC. Guess you need to plug it in the right way and leave it there. Incidentally, any of you who have the EcoWater portable distiller, it is the same product. If you look closely on the Sears package or on labels it will say Manufacturer EcoWater. It surprises me that a product that pulls 5A can ship with a nonpolarised 2 wire plug AND still get the UL sticker (which it has). -- From: Dean Woodward woodw...@educelec.com To: l...@fbtc.net; Bill Schramm wschr...@ix.netcom.com Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSWARNING: Shock Hazard, Sears Distiller Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 8:34 AM Bill: I have done a few more measurements on my Sears distiller. The resistance from both sides of the plug to the metal cannister is greater than 30 megohms (as high as my unit measures). With the unit plugged in (not in water, give me a break :)) I read 50 volts ac between the cannister and ground (same readings with sink as ground and with ground wire in ac plug as ground). If I turn the ac plug around I only read 5 volts ac to ground. I just checked the wall socket and have 120 volts ac from one connector to ground and about 7 millivolts from the other side to ground. So I think that is normal. I don't have any idea where I am getting the 50 volts. If the heating element is grounded at 50/120 of the way from one end, then turning the plug around should make the reading 70 volts. But it doesn't. They didn't teach me this at AM in EE 101. Dean -Original Message- From: Tai-Pan [mailto:l...@fbtc.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 8:49 AM To: Bill Schramm Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWARNING: Shock Hazard, Sears Distiller Bill Schramm wrote: I also received an unpleasant shock from my sears distiller. It happened when the unit was being cleaned in a metal sink. Unit does contain a do not immerse warning. Thereafter I never clean it without unplugging -- Holy Smoke Folks, Putting electric things in water,with power on!! Throwing gasoline on fires!! I don`t do funerals very well, and I like you all alot, so knock off the dumb stuff. Scareing the hell out of me. :-) Engage brain before starting hands. Think about what you are doing, then think again. Most things require ten minutes of thinking and only one minute of doing. Hind sight is not good, you will be dead before you get to do it. Safety starts at home, not somewhere else. Your brain is your best safety tool. Use it. Bless you Bob Lee -- oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast l...@fbtc.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSWARNING: Shock Hazard, Sears Distiller
I have another concern about Sears Distiller. Someone mentioned before that dirty, yellowish water was left after the distillation process which smelled awful. I totally agree with him because I smelled it. However, I wonder whether the yellow color does not come from the metal, not the water? This question occurred to me after I tried to clean the metal container with apple cider vinegar : water mixture and with lemon-water mixture. I did this to try to get rid of the burnt taste of the water. When I used the lemon-water mixture and left it in the metal container for about 2 days, the water turned a rotten yellow color. It smelled also, though the smell may have come from bacterial contamination. Did any of you have a similar result, whereby contaminants were leached out of the metal? Or was this simply bacterial growth in the lemon-water mixture? The lemon-water seemed very effective in cleaning the metal container, though I still don't like the taste of the water. (However, most of the burnt tast is gone.) I want to thank whoever sent me the suggestion to use lemon-water to clean the stainless steel container. It was very effective. Regards, :) Joyce P.S. If any of you wrote me and didn't receive a reply, please re-send the email. My server was rejecting my email for a period of several weeks, and I did not receive any email during that period. Thank you. On Thu, 17 Sep 1998, Tai-Pan wrote: Dean Woodward wrote: I have observed a potentially serious problem, at least in the Sears water distiller which I have. The problem: When the unit is plugged in the entire inner stainless steel container carries full line voltage. I measured the voltage from the water inside the shell to ground (stainless kitchen sink) and it was 123 volts ac. In normal use this may not be a problem, as the plastic outer case of the distiller insulates the inner container. However, if the unit is left plugged in while refilling it there could be serious risk. I don't know if this is a general problem, or just a problem with my unit. I intend to ask Sears that question. Meantime, be aware of a potential safety risk! All the best, Dean Hi Dean and list, Checked mine, no problem with it. Mine reads over 400 megohm from each side of plug to steel water pot. Read no voltage when pluged in and turned on, from pot to sink with analog meter, 27 millivolt with hi impedance digital meter. Using my fingers, did not feel any electricity while touching the pot and sink at same time. Maybe yours has been in water, or has a short in it. Keep in mind this distiller is of double insulation construction ,just like the new electric drills. A short is not very likely, would require two failures at the same time. Could be your wall receptical is miss-wired,thats a common problem now-a-days with low skill help on construction jobs. Bless you Bob Lee -- oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast l...@fbtc.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSWARNING: Shock Hazard, Sears Distiller
Dean Woodward wrote: I have observed a potentially serious problem, at least in the Sears water distiller which I have. The problem: When the unit is plugged in the entire inner stainless steel container carries full line voltage. I measured the voltage from the water inside the shell to ground (stainless kitchen sink) and it was 123 volts ac. In normal use this may not be a problem, as the plastic outer case of the distiller insulates the inner container. However, if the unit is left plugged in while refilling it there could be serious risk. I don't know if this is a general problem, or just a problem with my unit. I intend to ask Sears that question. Meantime, be aware of a potential safety risk! All the best, Dean Hi Dean and list, Checked mine, no problem with it. Mine reads over 400 megohm from each side of plug to steel water pot. Read no voltage when pluged in and turned on, from pot to sink with analog meter, 27 millivolt with hi impedance digital meter. Using my fingers, did not feel any electricity while touching the pot and sink at same time. Maybe yours has been in water, or has a short in it. Keep in mind this distiller is of double insulation construction ,just like the new electric drills. A short is not very likely, would require two failures at the same time. Could be your wall receptical is miss-wired,thats a common problem now-a-days with low skill help on construction jobs. Bless you Bob Lee -- oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast l...@fbtc.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
