Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

2005-04-05 Thread Marshall Dudley
If I remember right it is very near 7.0 to 7.1.  I would guess that absorbed CO2
is the culprit for the distilled water being acidic.

Marshall

SJY wrote:

 Marshall,

 What is the pH of the water going into your Jupiter unit?

 I have noticed my Wallmart steam distilled water that I use for making CS
 has a pH of 6 or a little under.  Anyone - what causes it to be acidic -
 absorbed C02?  I would think steam distilled water would end up close to pH
 7.

 --Steve Y.

 - Original Message -
 From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 11:19 AM
 Subject: Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

  Maybe it has to do with the water.  Mine at the highest setting produces
 water of
  about 8.  And everyone in my family has been drinking alkalinized water
 for about 3
  years from the Jupiter unit now, and are all in good health. Can't say it
 is doing
  anything good or harmful though.
 
  Marshall
 
  Dan Nave wrote:
 
   Sorry, I should have written that the highest pH setting produced water
   that measured above pH of 10...
  
   Dan
  
   Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers
  
   From: Dan Nave (view other messages by this author)
   Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:22:42
  
 
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   Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers
  
* From: SJY wrote:
* Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 06:52:55
  
   Dan,
  
   2) I assume your Jupiter model had adjustable settings.  Were you using
   the
   highest alkaline pH setting?  Do you know the pH of the water you were
   drinking?
  
   --Steve Y.
  
***
  
   2) Setting was highest.  PH of over 8.  Decreased to lowest settings as
  
 time went by.
  
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Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

2005-04-04 Thread Dan Nave
Sorry, I should have written that the highest pH setting produced water
that measured above pH of 10...

Dan



Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

From: Dan Nave (view other messages by this author) 
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:22:42 



Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

 * From: SJY wrote:
 * Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 06:52:55

Dan,


2) I assume your Jupiter model had adjustable settings.  Were you using
the
highest alkaline pH setting?  Do you know the pH of the water you were
drinking?

--Steve Y.

 ***


2) Setting was highest.  PH of over 8.  Decreased to lowest settings as

  time went by.


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Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

2005-04-04 Thread Marshall Dudley
I have and use the Jupiter unit.  It does produce alkalinized water, but
can't say if it is affecting my health or not.  But it should be helping.

Marshall

Dan Nave wrote:

 CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

  * From: SJY wrote:
  * Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:44:56

 Folks,

 I would appreciate anyone who has experience drinking alkaline water,
 produced by a commercial or home-made water ionizer, sharing their
 results.  From what I read on the web, they are constructed something
 like a CS generator, but have a permeable membrane to keep the acid and
 alkaline water separated, the electrodes are typically titanium, and
 they cost a lot - over $500 usually.  I suppose if one used silver
 electrodes, one could have the benefits of EIS as well as high pH water.
   Might this be the next advance in CS generators?

 Does anyone have plans for building one?  Has anyone built their own,
 and if so, what are your results?  Terry Chamberlain posted a website
 that had plans for one, but it was not a flow-through version, and I
 think there should be simpler designs and construction methods.

 Thanks,
 --Steve Y.

 

 I have a Jupiter water ionizer and several of us used it for several
 months.  Symptoms after a few months included dry and peeling skin,
 aggravation of psoriasis/eczema-like skin areas, drying and cracking of
 mucus membranes and rectal bleeding, general digestive upset.

 I did not think that it improved the taste of water, rather you could
 taste and feel that it was alkaline and not neutral.  After a time we
 could not tolerate it even on the lowest settings.

 It did have a nice water filter with silver in it which we still use...

 Dan

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Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

2005-04-04 Thread Marshall Dudley
Maybe it has to do with the water.  Mine at the highest setting produces water 
of
about 8.  And everyone in my family has been drinking alkalinized water for 
about 3
years from the Jupiter unit now, and are all in good health. Can't say it is 
doing
anything good or harmful though.

Marshall

Dan Nave wrote:

 Sorry, I should have written that the highest pH setting produced water
 that measured above pH of 10...

 Dan

 Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

 From: Dan Nave (view other messages by this author)
 Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:22:42

 

 Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

  * From: SJY wrote:
  * Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 06:52:55

 Dan,

 2) I assume your Jupiter model had adjustable settings.  Were you using
 the
 highest alkaline pH setting?  Do you know the pH of the water you were
 drinking?

 --Steve Y.

  ***

 2) Setting was highest.  PH of over 8.  Decreased to lowest settings as

   time went by.

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Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

2005-04-04 Thread SJY
Marshall,

What is the pH of the water going into your Jupiter unit?

I have noticed my Wallmart steam distilled water that I use for making CS
has a pH of 6 or a little under.  Anyone - what causes it to be acidic -
absorbed C02?  I would think steam distilled water would end up close to pH
7.

--Steve Y.

- Original Message -
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers


 Maybe it has to do with the water.  Mine at the highest setting produces
water of
 about 8.  And everyone in my family has been drinking alkalinized water
for about 3
 years from the Jupiter unit now, and are all in good health. Can't say it
is doing
 anything good or harmful though.

 Marshall

 Dan Nave wrote:

  Sorry, I should have written that the highest pH setting produced water
  that measured above pH of 10...
 
  Dan
 
  Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers
 
  From: Dan Nave (view other messages by this author)
  Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:22:42
 

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  Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers
 
   * From: SJY wrote:
   * Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 06:52:55
 
  Dan,
 
  2) I assume your Jupiter model had adjustable settings.  Were you using
  the
  highest alkaline pH setting?  Do you know the pH of the water you were
  drinking?
 
  --Steve Y.
 
   ***
 
  2) Setting was highest.  PH of over 8.  Decreased to lowest settings as
 
time went by.
 
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Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

2005-04-03 Thread Dan Nave

Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

* From: SJY wrote:
* Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 06:52:55

Dan,

Thanks for you interesting but disturbing results with the Jupiter water
alkalizer.  Since many people use water alkalizers, I am trying to reconcile
why you had the bad experience.  Please tell us if you can:
1) What was your body pH after drinking the alkaline water for a while?
2) I assume your Jupiter model had adjustable settings.  Were you using the
highest alkaline pH setting?  Do you know the pH of the water you were
drinking?
3) How much did you drink a day?
4) Besides the bad side effects, did you notice anything good?

Anyone else - what has been your experience with ionized alkaline water?

Thanks,
--Steve Y.

***

1) Don't know body pH, didn't have litmus paper at that time.
2) Setting was highest.  PH of over 8.  Decreased to lowest settings as 
 time went by.
3) Was trying to drink a lot of water at that time.  Probably about 2 
quarts a day.
4) There were no noticeable effects for a few weeks.  Probably was an 
overdose of the alkaline water.  One person suggested that it sounded 
like the omega 3 (beneficial oils) were being leached out of the system.


There is a lot of hype surrounding this type of product.  The only thing 
I have seen that stands up to the hype is Colloidal Silver and you need 
to know a few things about that to use it properly too...




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Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

2005-04-02 Thread SJY
Dan,

Thanks for you interesting but disturbing results with the Jupiter water
alkalizer.  Since many people use water alkalizers, I am trying to reconcile
why you had the bad experience.  Please tell us if you can:
1) What was your body pH after drinking the alkaline water for a while?
2) I assume your Jupiter model had adjustable settings.  Were you using the
highest alkaline pH setting?  Do you know the pH of the water you were
drinking?
3) How much did you drink a day?
4) Besides the bad side effects, did you notice anything good?

Anyone else - what has been your experience with ionized alkaline water?

Thanks,
--Steve Y.


  I have a Jupiter water ionizer and several of us used it for several
  months.  Symptoms after a few months included dry and peeling skin,
  aggravation of psoriasis/eczema-like skin areas, drying and cracking of
  mucus membranes and rectal bleeding, general digestive upset.

  I did not think that it improved the taste of water, rather you could
  taste and feel that it was alkaline and not neutral.  After a time we
  could not tolerate it even on the lowest settings.

  It did have a nice water filter with silver in it which we still use...

  Dan




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Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

2005-04-02 Thread Tel Tofflemire
 
 Once again  http://hiddencures.com/index.htm  This site will open just fine
 and it sells what ever you need to change tap water into 1/2 Alkaline  1/2
Acid water, it is simple and it works very well,
I am not a seller just a buyer here but this guy (Richard) from Iowa, has
been  a fair and honest man in my dealings with him, I even got a free set
of electrodes because one got broken, I only asked him if I could buy them.
I forget who said this site would not open, but it does open just fine.  he
is a bit uneasy about new people asking him questions, I understand that now
days.  But if you read what he has to say you will see a password in the
text and that will open the pages you need to order.  That is to keep
snoopers who only read the headlines off his site.
$149.00 is a steal for what this bare boned device does for you.  It is not
too much different than making CS.  I don't know why you would want to spend
$4,000 dollars for the same thing that looks like a bread maker, but is
exactly this type of unit inside, with out the automation.  This is easier
to keep clean too.
By the way we use waste Acid water for mouth wash, its great, and for
certain acid loving plants and shrubs.
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ
---Original Message---
 
From: V
Date: 04/02/05 00:23:08
To: Dan Nave
Subject: Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers
 
Hi Dan,
 
Read this website. It gives some insight into the alkaline water and the
people that make these water ionizers always say to through the acid water
away. I think they are wrong. The acid water is impaortant to consume also
in small quantites.
I consume acid water each day based on this information from a russian
scientist Dr. Volkov
http://www.h-longevity.net/eng/1.shtml
 
 
 
 
Take care,
  V
 
 
CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers
 
  * From: SJY wrote:
  * Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:44:56
 
 Folks,
 
 I would appreciate anyone who has experience drinking alkaline water,
 produced by a commercial or home-made water ionizer, sharing their
 results.  From what I read on the web, they are constructed something
 like a CS generator, but have a permeable membrane to keep the acid and
 alkaline water separated, the electrodes are typically titanium, and
 they cost a lot - over $500 usually.  I suppose if one used silver
 electrodes, one could have the benefits of EIS as well as high pH water.
   Might this be the next advance in CS generators?
 
 Does anyone have plans for building one?  Has anyone built their own,
 and if so, what are your results?  Terry Chamberlain posted a website
 that had plans for one, but it was not a flow-through version, and I
 think there should be simpler designs and construction methods.
 
 Thanks,
 --Steve Y.
 
 
 
 I have a Jupiter water ionizer and several of us used it for several
 months.  Symptoms after a few months included dry and peeling skin,
 aggravation of psoriasis/eczema-like skin areas, drying and cracking of
 mucus membranes and rectal bleeding, general digestive upset.
 
 I did not think that it improved the taste of water, rather you could
 taste and feel that it was alkaline and not neutral.  After a time we
 could not tolerate it even on the lowest settings.
 
 It did have a nice water filter with silver in it which we still use...
 
 Dan
 
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Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

2005-04-02 Thread Marshalee
Dear Tel, Will you email me privately? I`d like to talk to you about 
alkaline water. I have some concerns, and think this might help me.

Thanks,
Marshalee

 
 Once again  http://hiddencures.com/index.htm  This site will open 
just fine, and it sells what ever you need to change tap water into 
1/2 Alkaline  1/2 Acid water, it is simple and it works very well,
I am not a seller just a buyer here but this guy (Richard) from 
Iowa, has been  a fair and honest man in my dealings with him, I even 
got a free set of electrodes because one got broken, I only asked 
him if I could buy them. I forget who said this site would not open, 
but it does open just fine.  he is a bit uneasy about new people 
asking him questions, I understand that now days.  But if you read 
what he has to say you will see a password in the text and that will 
open the pages you need to order.  That is to keep snoopers who only 
read the headlines off his site.
$149.00 is a steal for what this bare boned device does for you.  It 
is not too much different than making CS.  I don't know why you would 
want to spend $4,000 dollars for the same thing that looks like a 
bread maker, but is exactly this type of unit inside, with out the 
automation.  This is easier to keep clean too.
By the way we use *waste Acid water for mouth wash*, its great, and 
for certain acid loving plants and shrubs.

Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ
/---Original Message---/
 
/*From:*/ V mailto:zon...@expo-net.org

/*Date:*/ 04/02/05 00:23:08
/*To:*/ Dan Nave mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
/*Subject:*/ Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers
 
Hi Dan,
 
Read this website. It gives some insight into the alkaline water and 
the people that make these water ionizers always say to through the 
acid water away. I think they are wrong. The acid water is impaortant 
to consume also in small quantites.
I consume acid water each day based on this information from a russian 
scientist Dr. Volkov

http://www.h-longevity.net/eng/1.shtml
 
 
 
 
Take care,

  V
 
 
CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers
 
  * From: SJY wrote:

  * Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:44:56
 
 Folks,
 
 I would appreciate anyone who has experience drinking alkaline water,

 produced by a commercial or home-made water ionizer, sharing their
 results.  From what I read on the web, they are constructed something
 like a CS generator, but have a permeable membrane to keep the acid and
 alkaline water separated, the electrodes are typically titanium, and
 they cost a lot - over $500 usually.  I suppose if one used silver
 electrodes, one could have the benefits of EIS as well as high pH water.
   Might this be the next advance in CS generators?
 
 Does anyone have plans for building one?  Has anyone built their own,

 and if so, what are your results?  Terry Chamberlain posted a website
 that had plans for one, but it was not a flow-through version, and I
 think there should be simpler designs and construction methods.
 
 Thanks,

 --Steve Y.
 
 
 
 I have a Jupiter water ionizer and several of us used it for several

 months.  Symptoms after a few months included dry and peeling skin,
 aggravation of psoriasis/eczema-like skin areas, drying and cracking of
 mucus membranes and rectal bleeding, general digestive upset.
 
 I did not think that it improved the taste of water, rather you could

 taste and feel that it was alkaline and not neutral.  After a time we
 could not tolerate it even on the lowest settings.
 
 It did have a nice water filter with silver in it which we still use...
 
 Dan
 
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Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

2005-04-01 Thread Tel Tofflemire
 Dear Seekers,
I have used this brand for at least four years and it works very well.
http://hiddencures.com/index.htm
This is  or was only about $149.00 including the titanium electrodes..
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.
 
---Original Message---
 
From: SJY
Date: 03/31/05 21:36:56
To: Silver List
Subject: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers
 
Folks,
 
I would appreciate anyone who has experience drinking alkaline water,
produced by a commercial or home-made water ionizer, sharing their results.
From what I read on the web, they are constructed something like a CS
generator, but have a permeable membrane to keep the acid and alkaline water
separated, the electrodes are typically titanium, and they cost a lot - over
$500 usually.  I suppose if one used silver electrodes, one could have the
benefits of EIS as well as high pH water.  Might this be the next advance in
CS generators?
 
Does anyone have plans for building one?  Has anyone built their own, and if
so, what are your results?  Terry Chamberlain posted a website that had
plans for one, but it was not a flow-through version, and I think there
should be simpler designs and construction methods.
 
Thanks,
--Steve Y.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

2005-04-01 Thread mborgert
Thank you for the information, how do you purify your water??
Mary

-- Original message from Tel Tofflemire telt...@cableone.net: 
-- 

 Dear Seekers,
I have used this brand for at least four years and it works very well.
http://hiddencures.com/index.htm
This is  or was only about $149.00 including the titanium electrodes..
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.

---Original Message---

From: SJY
Date: 03/31/05 21:36:56
To: Silver List
Subject: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

Folks,

I would appreciate anyone who has experience drinking alkaline water,
produced by a commercial or home-made water ionizer, sharing their results.
From what I read on the web, they are constructed something like a CS
generator, but have a permeable membrane to keep the acid and alkaline water
separated, the electrodes are typically titanium, and they cost a lot - over
$500 usually.  I suppose if one used silver electrodes, one could have the
benefits of EIS as well as high pH water.  Might this be the next advance in
CS generators?

Does anyone have plans for building one?  Has anyone built their own, and if
so, what are your results?  Terry Chamberlain posted a website that had
plans for one, but it was not a flow-through version, and I think there
should be simpler designs and construction methods.

Thanks,
--Steve Y.





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Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

2005-04-01 Thread Tel Tofflemire
Filter, but this outfit can use reg h2o
Tel Tofflemire 
Dewey, AZ
 
---Original Message---
 
From: mborg...@att.net
Date: 04/01/05 09:01:22
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers
 
Thank you for the information, how do you purify your water??
Mary

-- Original message from Tel Tofflemire telt...@cableone
net: -- 

 Dear Seekers,
I have used this brand for at least four years and it works very well.
http://hiddencures.com/index.htm
This is  or was only about $149.00 including the titanium electrodes..
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.
 
---Original Message---
 
From: SJY
Date: 03/31/05 21:36:56
To: Silver List
Subject: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers
 
Folks,
 
I would appreciate anyone who has experience drinking alkaline water,
produced by a commercial or home-made water ionizer, sharing their results.
From what I read on the web, they are constructed something like a CS
generator, but have a permeable membrane to keep the acid and alkaline water
separated, the electrodes are typically titanium, and they cost a lot - over
$500 usually.  I suppose if one used silver electrodes, one could have the
benefits of EIS as well as high pH water.  Might this be the next advance in
CS generators?
 
Does anyone have plans for building one?  Has anyone built their own, and if
so, what are your results?  Terry Chamberlain posted a website that had
plans for one, but it was not a flow-through version, and I think there
should be simpler designs and construction methods.
 
Thanks,
--Steve Y.
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

2005-04-01 Thread Ed Kasper
http://www.nutech2000.com.au/prod97.htm
their page didn't show up and its an old link here was some
of the info I saved.

How to make
Oxygen Rich
Ionised Alkaline Water?

The Water Activator
In the centre of the tank, a semi-permeable membrane divides
it; the membrane is sealed around the edge in order that
water cannot leak between sections. Each half of the tank
has a small valve or tap to permit the appropriate water
(alkaline or acid) to be drawn from its section of the tank.
Each half of the tank is filled with fresh clean water and
then a direct electric current of low voltage is applied
across the iridium plates.

Depending on the conductivity of the water, after about one
hour, the water in each half of the tank will be found acid
on one side and alkaline on the other. The water in the side
with the anode (electrical positive electrode), is the acid
water, the side with the cathode (electrical negative
electrode), is the alkaline water. The time span the
activator needs to fully divide the water depends on the
minerals in the water. Distilled water has no minerals at
all and is not suitable for the production of acid and
alkaline water. The same is the case with R.O water. Tank
water from a plastic tank could be a problem, since there
are not many minerals (only from air pollution and bird
droppings) in the water. However, tank water from a concrete
tank could be found to have many minerals, which is calcium
due to lime leached out. Some water could need several hours
to separate to the highest possible reading. Measuring the
pH, during the ionisation process is the only way to find
out how much time a certain water needs to be fully
activated. Please note that electronic pH meters should not
be used in water under current. You have to switch the unit
off for a while before testing the pH level.

Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
Acupuncture is a jab well done
www.HappyHerbalist.com   Santa Cruz, CA.


-Original Message-
From: SJY [mailto:youngst...@konnections.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:38 PM
To: Silver List
Subject: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers


Folks,

I would appreciate anyone who has experience drinking
alkaline water,
produced by a commercial or home-made water ionizer, sharing
their results.
From what I read on the web, they are constructed something
like a CS
generator, but have a permeable membrane to keep the acid
and alkaline water
separated, the electrodes are typically titanium, and they
cost a lot - over
$500 usually.  I suppose if one used silver electrodes, one
could have the
benefits of EIS as well as high pH water.  Might this be the
next advance in
CS generators?

Does anyone have plans for building one?  Has anyone built
their own, and if
so, what are your results?  Terry Chamberlain posted a
website that had
plans for one, but it was not a flow-through version, and I
think there
should be simpler designs and construction methods.

Thanks,
--Steve Y.



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Re: CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

2005-04-01 Thread V
Hi Dan,

Read this website. It gives some insight into the alkaline water and the people 
that make these water ionizers always say to through the acid water away. I 
think they are wrong. The acid water is impaortant to consume also in small 
quantites. 
I consume acid water each day based on this information from a russian 
scientist Dr. Volkov
http://www.h-longevity.net/eng/1.shtml




Take care,
 V


CSWater Ionizers / Alkalizers

  * From: SJY wrote:
  * Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:44:56

 Folks,

 I would appreciate anyone who has experience drinking alkaline water,
 produced by a commercial or home-made water ionizer, sharing their 
 results.  From what I read on the web, they are constructed something 
 like a CS generator, but have a permeable membrane to keep the acid and 
 alkaline water separated, the electrodes are typically titanium, and 
 they cost a lot - over $500 usually.  I suppose if one used silver 
 electrodes, one could have the benefits of EIS as well as high pH water. 
   Might this be the next advance in CS generators?

 Does anyone have plans for building one?  Has anyone built their own, 
 and if so, what are your results?  Terry Chamberlain posted a website 
 that had plans for one, but it was not a flow-through version, and I 
 think there should be simpler designs and construction methods.

 Thanks,
 --Steve Y.

 

 I have a Jupiter water ionizer and several of us used it for several 
 months.  Symptoms after a few months included dry and peeling skin, 
 aggravation of psoriasis/eczema-like skin areas, drying and cracking of 
 mucus membranes and rectal bleeding, general digestive upset.

 I did not think that it improved the taste of water, rather you could 
 taste and feel that it was alkaline and not neutral.  After a time we 
 could not tolerate it even on the lowest settings.

 It did have a nice water filter with silver in it which we still use...

 Dan

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