Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project
I think that was tongue in cheek, expecially since it was the title of the first (or one of the first) episodes of Charmed about 7 years ago. That particular title is a take off on the 1983 Disney movie Something Wicked This Way Comes. Marshall Ian Roe wrote: Well Jim, I don't know anything about Wicca other than it exists as a religion and way of life for some folks. There's no religion around what I have done with water unless someone elses mental framwork attaches religion to it. I can see where it would be easy to wrap religious beliefs around this sort of thing and demonize subtle energies that are part of the creation, or the hologram or whatever. The Egyptians took something simple like the sun rising and setting and put a scenario of sun worship around it. I'm just thankful that these energies exist and that the sun rises and sets and that we have a moderator that will can us if we keep talking about it. Ian - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:42 PM Subject: RE: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project Something Wiccan this way comes. -Original Message- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project
Oh - don't watch much TV except star trek and sequals Ian - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:59 AM Subject: Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project I think that was tongue in cheek, expecially since it was the title of the first (or one of the first) episodes of Charmed about 7 years ago. That particular title is a take off on the 1983 Disney movie Something Wicked This Way Comes. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project
Well Jim, I don't know anything about Wicca other than it exists as a religion and way of life for some folks. There's no religion around what I have done with water unless someone elses mental framwork attaches religion to it. I can see where it would be easy to wrap religious beliefs around this sort of thing and demonize subtle energies that are part of the creation, or the hologram or whatever. The Egyptians took something simple like the sun rising and setting and put a scenario of sun worship around it. I'm just thankful that these energies exist and that the sun rises and sets and that we have a moderator that will can us if we keep talking about it. Ian - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:42 PM Subject: RE: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project Something Wiccan this way comes. -Original Message- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project
They use the techniques you describe, and consider them a natural part of creation. It is a good thing. Jim -Original Message- From: Ian Roe [mailto:ian_onta...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 5:05 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project Well Jim, I don't know anything about Wicca other than it exists as a religion and way of life for some folks. There's no religion around what I have done with water unless someone elses mental framwork attaches religion to it. I can see where it would be easy to wrap religious beliefs around this sort of thing and demonize subtle energies that are part of the creation, or the hologram or whatever. The Egyptians took something simple like the sun rising and setting and put a scenario of sun worship around it. I'm just thankful that these energies exist and that the sun rises and sets and that we have a moderator that will can us if we keep talking about it. Ian - Original Message - From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:42 PM Subject: RE: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project Something Wiccan this way comes. -Original Message- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Yes! 68yoa, 6', 235lbs - Original Message - From: Stuff st...@laguna.com.mx To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:35 AM Subject: RE: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project Does anyone here, who has been taking CS regularly for more than a year, consider him/herself overweight? I'm not...by any means. stuff At 03:24 PM 6/15/2006, you wrote: Yes mostly water but swimming about in that is mostly bacteria, yeasts and other microbes. These other life forms actually make up a greater percentage of our body that our cells. just a thought Ed -Original Message- From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:37 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project You are what you think about since we are what about 90% waterdebbie No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/366 - Release Date: 6/15/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/366 - Release Date: 6/15/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
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As long as you know it's you that is doing the talking I guess. LOL Ian - Original Message - From: Langsley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:38 PM Subject: Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project Hi everyone. I've been off list for about 6 months while we are making our move to Tucson Arizona. We are far from settled in but I just couldn't stand being away from the folks on the silver list any longer. :~) On Wednesday June 14 2006 5:37 pm, Ian Roe wrote: Speaking to water or to anything that has water in it with specific intention can change the energetic nature of the water to your inclination. Hey! Now I have the perfect excuse for talking to myself in public or anywhere else I guess. Thanks Ian? -- LTR Registered Linux user #280295 itisi...@cox.net
RE: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project
Does anyone here, who has been taking CS regularly for more than a year, consider him/herself overweight? I'm not...by any means. stuff At 03:24 PM 6/15/2006, you wrote: Yes mostly water but swimming about in that is mostly bacteria, yeasts and other microbes. These other life forms actually make up a greater percentage of our body that our cells. just a thought Ed -Original Message- From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:37 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project You are what you think about since we are what about 90% waterdebbie No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/366 - Release Date: 6/15/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/366 - Release Date: 6/15/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project
Something Wiccan this way comes. -Original Message- From: Ian Roe [mailto:ian_onta...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 6:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project Hello: The next addition to the experiment could be as follows. Obtain your microwaved water. Speak to it the following. Let all the microwave frequencies and harmful field effects be removed from this water that were added by the microwaving process and all the field effects that were destroyed be put back in. Then use the water in the experiment. Speaking to water or to anything that has water in it with specific intention can change the energetic nature of the water to your inclination. Having changed water from accross the room or over phone lines thousands of miles away and nearby, I know that this is possible. I have heated substances with water in them in the microwave and removed the effects afterward by speaking to them. I have dowsed the substances afterwards and there are no harmful effects left in it from the microwave. So folks, don't throw out your microwave yet, there is hope for those who want to continue to use it to heat and cook foods. Ian - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project If microwave water is deadly it should be deadly to even hardier plants. One can't say you didn't use the right kind of plant. That is fudging. Because the results are generalized to any kind of plant and human health. Either microwaved water harms plants or it doesn't. Or if it -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project
I commend your intelligence, work and persistance Sol It can be hard to keep ones balance in a problematic world. Ode As a side note, it was very interesting to me that there was some list involvement and wow factor from posts that claimed harm from micorwaved water, but only one single post saying you didn't use the right plant to Larry's and later my post that 2 people were unable to duplicate the results of harm. Could this resounding lack of interest because these latest results don't fit preconceived ideas? sol -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4 - Release Date: 6/13/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project
I believe that people's intention and words have a creative effect on the reality around them, not the least of which is our effect upon water and anything that has water in it. That is what Masaru Emoto's books were about. http://www.thank-water.net/english/index.htm Ian - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:12 PM Subject: Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project Perhaps I did that in essence as my own preconceived idea was that there would be no difference? Perhaps those obtaining other results did so because they believed microwaved water is harmful? Can belief and expectation change water too? I am somewhat uncomfortable with such ideas, though I remember reading that one can make a homeopathic remedy with plain water no succussing, simply by telling the water it is Arnica 30 C or whatever. sol Ian Roe wrote: The next addition to the experiment could be as follows. Obtain your microwaved water. Speak to it the following. Let all the microwave frequencies and harmful field effects be removed from this water that were added by the microwaving process and all the field effects that were destroyed be put back in. Then use the water in the experiment. Speaking to water or to anything that has water in it with specific intention can change the energetic nature of the water to your inclination. Having changed water from accross the room or over phone lines thousands of miles away and nearby, I know that this is possible. I have heated substances with water in them in the microwave and removed the effects afterward by speaking to them. I have dowsed the substances afterwards and there are no harmful effects left in it from the microwave. So folks, don't throw out your microwave yet, there is hope for those who want to continue to use it to heat and cook foods. Ian - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Not at my house! Ivy is the only thing that defeats me. sol Dan Nave wrote: Nothing is easier to grow than ivy... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project
You are what you think about since we are what about 90% waterdebbie -- Original message -- From: Ian Roe ian_onta...@hotmail.com I believe that people's intention and words have a creative effect on the reality around them, not the least of which is our effect upon water and anything that has water in it. That is what Masaru Emoto's books were about. http://www.thank-water.net/english/index.htm Ian - Original Message - From: sol To: Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:12 PM Subject: Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project Perhaps I did that in essence as my own preconceived idea was that there would be no difference? Perhaps those obtaining other results did so because they believed microwaved water is harmful? Can belief and expectation change water too? I am somewhat uncomfortable with such ideas, though I remember reading that one can make a homeopathic remedy with plain water no succussing, simply by telling the water it is Arnica 30 C or whatever. sol Ian Roe wrote: The next addition to the experiment could be as follows. Obtain your microwaved water. Speak to it the following. Let all the microwave frequencies and harmful field effects be removed from this water that were added by the microwaving process and all the field effects that were destroyed be put back in. Then use the water in the experiment. Speaking to water or to anything that has water in it with specific intention can change the energetic nature of the water to your inclination. Having changed water from accross the room or over phone lines thousands of miles away and nearby, I know that this is possible. I have heated substances with water in them in the microwave and removed the effects afterward by speaking to them. I have dowsed the substances afterwards and there are no harmful effects left in it from the microwave. So folks, don't throw out your microwave yet, there is hope for those who want to continue to use it to heat and cook foods. Ian - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project
Yes mostly water but swimming about in that is mostly bacteria, yeasts and other microbes. These other life forms actually make up a greater percentage of our body that our cells. just a thought Ed -Original Message- From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:37 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project You are what you think about since we are what about 90% waterdebbie
Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project
Hi everyone. I've been off list for about 6 months while we are making our move to Tucson Arizona. We are far from settled in but I just couldn't stand being away from the folks on the silver list any longer. :~) On Wednesday June 14 2006 5:37 pm, Ian Roe wrote: Speaking to water or to anything that has water in it with specific intention can change the energetic nature of the water to your inclination. Hey! Now I have the perfect excuse for talking to myself in public or anywhere else I guess. Thanks Ian? -- LTR Registered Linux user #280295 itisi...@cox.net
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Its about time you showed up, we have all been sitting here patiently at our keyboards waiting for your next message :-) Take care, V Hi everyone. I've been off list for about 6 months while we are making our move to Tucson Arizona. We are far from settled in but I just couldn't stand being away from the folks on the silver list any longer. :~) On Wednesday June 14 2006 5:37 pm, Ian Roe wrote: Speaking to water or to anything that has water in it with specific intention can change the energetic nature of the water to your inclination. Hey! Now I have the perfect excuse for talking to myself in public or anywhere else I guess. Thanks Ian? -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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You wrote: Hey! Now I have the perfect excuse for talking to myself in public or anywhere else I guess. Thanks Ian? Now-a-days you don't need an excuse. You just need a cell phone! Dan Langsley wrote: Hi everyone. I've been off list for about 6 months while we are making our move to Tucson Arizona. We are far from settled in but I just couldn't stand being away from the folks on the silver list any longer. :~) On Wednesday June 14 2006 5:37 pm, Ian Roe wrote: Speaking to water or to anything that has water in it with specific intention can change the energetic nature of the water to your inclination. Hey! Now I have the perfect excuse for talking to myself in public or anywhere else I guess. Thanks Ian? -- LTR Registered Linux user #280295 itisi...@cox.net -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/366 - Release Date: 6/15/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project
Welcome backdebbie -- Original message -- From: Langsley itisi...@cox.net Hi everyone. I've been off list for about 6 months while we are making our move to Tucson Arizona. We are far from settled in but I just couldn't stand being away from the folks on the silver list any longer. :~) On Wednesday June 14 2006 5:37 pm, Ian Roe wrote: Speaking to water or to anything that has water in it with specific intention can change the energetic nature of the water to your inclination. Hey! Now I have the perfect excuse for talking to myself in public or anywhere else I guess. Thanks Ian? -- LTR Registered Linux user #280295 itisi...@cox.net
Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project
sol wrote: If microwave water is deadly it should be deadly to even hardier plants. One can't say you didn't use the right kind of plant. That is fudging. Because the results are generalized to any kind of plant and human health. Either microwaved water harms plants or it doesn't. Or if it only harms certain plants and seeds then that is what should be stated, instead of the blanket statements I've read many times on this list as to the harmfulness of microwaved water to plants and people per se. (The plant experiment seems to be basically intended to produce results that have some application to whether microwaved water is harmful to humans.) I am not certain anything valid re humans can be inferred from expeiments with micorwaved water on plants in any case. Report on control experiment: My control experiment seeds are now up and growing. Again 3 pop up peat pots, again cucumber seeds (all of which in both experiments have been from the same packet with even more effort in the control experiment to plant equally sized seeds) this time I only planted 2 seeds per pot, and was more careful about planting depth, to plant them all as closely the same as possible. Again one sprout is much taller than the others (though this time one seed in each pot sprouted on the same day). The second seeds eventually came up in every pot, but at varying days post planting. All of these 3 pots were soaked in tap water, and watered with tap water exactly the same. My bean seeds planted in the garden are also showing a lot of difference in sprouting intervals and in growth rates. All of them were soaked in tap water, (these are large bean seeds) and are all in the same soil in the area in which they were planted. Depth varies a lot more in a garden planting, of course. My conclusion is microwaved, boiled, or distilled water apparently makes no difference to at least these two types of seeds. Further, from my experiment control, and garden plantings of this year and previous years, individual seeds vary so much in sprouting times and growth rates, it is hard to make any valid conclusions at all from simple home experiments. Certainly to claim the water is at fault if some seeds are slower, or if some plants die, it would take very controlled conditions indeed to make a replicatable experiment from which any valid conclusions could be drawn. In my flower containers are planted several verbenas, all from the same nursery, all in the same potting soil, one has died, some are thriving, some are failing to thrive, again all are watered with the same water. On the basis of my own simple trials, and observaytions, I think the results seen in tests that seemed to show harm from microwaved water are far too likely to be simple variability to be taken seriously as proving microwaved water is harmful to plants. One possibility is acclaimation. If you sprout seeds in microwaved water they acclaimate to it, and do fine. If you take plants that have been growing on tap water, then switch to microwaved tap water, it may shock them. By the same token if you take plants that have sprouted on microwaved water, then switch them to tap water, that may shock them as well. This is an explaination and experiment I suggested some time ago to check, but I am not aware of anyone doing it yet. As to ivy being very tough plants, I have an english ivy houseplant that has struggled for many years. It doesn't quite die, but the darn thing is anything but tough in my opinion. A little too wet or a little too dry, and it starts dying at the growing tips and sheds leaves like crazy. All my other plants grow and grow, but that darn ivy is too delicate for my lackadasical care. I agree, ivy is a very tempermental plant. My son spent around $50,000 having his whole front yard put in english ivy, and 99% of them have died within 2 years. As a side note, it was very interesting to me that there was some list involvement and wow factor from posts that claimed harm from micorwaved water, but only one single post saying you didn't use the right plant to Larry's and later my post that 2 people were unable to duplicate the results of harm. Could this resounding lack of interest because these latest results don't fit preconceived ideas? Maybe because they fit what one would expect, whereas the other results were so unexpected. Marshall sol larry tankersley wrote: Yes that's true, Ivy is hardy. For this to be good science i.e. repeatability I should have ask , I believe it was Marshal, for type plants, stage of growth, soil used and all the other controls needed. Wasn't all that serious about it.. good science can be hard work, one must be serious in wanting to KNOW if what they THINK is TRUE larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing
Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project
Hello: The next addition to the experiment could be as follows. Obtain your microwaved water. Speak to it the following. Let all the microwave frequencies and harmful field effects be removed from this water that were added by the microwaving process and all the field effects that were destroyed be put back in. Then use the water in the experiment. Speaking to water or to anything that has water in it with specific intention can change the energetic nature of the water to your inclination. Having changed water from accross the room or over phone lines thousands of miles away and nearby, I know that this is possible. I have heated substances with water in them in the microwave and removed the effects afterward by speaking to them. I have dowsed the substances afterwards and there are no harmful effects left in it from the microwave. So folks, don't throw out your microwave yet, there is hope for those who want to continue to use it to heat and cook foods. Ian - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project If microwave water is deadly it should be deadly to even hardier plants. One can't say you didn't use the right kind of plant. That is fudging. Because the results are generalized to any kind of plant and human health. Either microwaved water harms plants or it doesn't. Or if it -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi, Marshall, I actually did what you suggest below, more or less. My original 3 pop up pots of cucumber seeds were transplanted into larger pots, when the true leaves started to show, and from that point watered with tap water. The 'boiled on the stove' water plants are still a bit taller (in the original experiment they sprouted first), but the microwaved water plants and the distilled water plants don't seem to have had any problem with shock. Looking down on the plants, all are the same healthy green, and are growing well, though the one that sprouted first is still ahead of the others in height, and has one more true leaf, which can be seen when one looks across the pots, but looking down there is not as much difference. As the true leaves open, the size of the true leaves appear very close from pot to pot. It is a tough old world out on the porch compared to being in the house. Basically they are growing as I have learned to expect from the sprouting date (which I did not record, unfortunately, I just recorded that the stove water pot seed sprouted first by 2 or 3 days). I may do the same thing in reverse, and once true leaves appear on the tap water sprouted cucumbers, start watering them with the 3 types of water used in the first set. That would be interesting (to me, anyway). sol Marshall Dudley wrote: One possibility is acclaimation. If you sprout seeds in microwaved water they acclaimate to it, and do fine. If you take plants that have been growing on tap water, then switch to microwaved tap water, it may shock them. By the same token if you take plants that have sprouted on microwaved water, then switch them to tap water, that may shock them as well. This is an explaination and experiment I suggested some time ago to check, but I am not aware of anyone doing it yet. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project
Perhaps I did that in essence as my own preconceived idea was that there would be no difference? Perhaps those obtaining other results did so because they believed microwaved water is harmful? Can belief and expectation change water too? I am somewhat uncomfortable with such ideas, though I remember reading that one can make a homeopathic remedy with plain water no succussing, simply by telling the water it is Arnica 30 C or whatever. sol Ian Roe wrote: The next addition to the experiment could be as follows. Obtain your microwaved water. Speak to it the following. Let all the microwave frequencies and harmful field effects be removed from this water that were added by the microwaving process and all the field effects that were destroyed be put back in. Then use the water in the experiment. Speaking to water or to anything that has water in it with specific intention can change the energetic nature of the water to your inclination. Having changed water from accross the room or over phone lines thousands of miles away and nearby, I know that this is possible. I have heated substances with water in them in the microwave and removed the effects afterward by speaking to them. I have dowsed the substances afterwards and there are no harmful effects left in it from the microwave. So folks, don't throw out your microwave yet, there is hope for those who want to continue to use it to heat and cook foods. Ian - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScomment and report on control experiment, was Re: CS Science Project
Nothing is easier to grow than ivy... Dan Marshall Dudley wrote: sol wrote: If microwave water is deadly it should be deadly to even hardier plants. One can't say you didn't use the right kind of plant. That is fudging. Because the results are generalized to any kind of plant and human health. Either microwaved water harms plants or it doesn't. Or if it only harms certain plants and seeds then that is what should be stated, instead of the blanket statements I've read many times on this list as to the harmfulness of microwaved water to plants and people per se. (The plant experiment seems to be basically intended to produce results that have some application to whether microwaved water is harmful to humans.) I am not certain anything valid re humans can be inferred from expeiments with micorwaved water on plants in any case. Report on control experiment: My control experiment seeds are now up and growing. Again 3 pop up peat pots, again cucumber seeds (all of which in both experiments have been from the same packet with even more effort in the control experiment to plant equally sized seeds) this time I only planted 2 seeds per pot, and was more careful about planting depth, to plant them all as closely the same as possible. Again one sprout is much taller than the others (though this time one seed in each pot sprouted on the same day). The second seeds eventually came up in every pot, but at varying days post planting. All of these 3 pots were soaked in tap water, and watered with tap water exactly the same. My bean seeds planted in the garden are also showing a lot of difference in sprouting intervals and in growth rates. All of them were soaked in tap water, (these are large bean seeds) and are all in the same soil in the area in which they were planted. Depth varies a lot more in a garden planting, of course. My conclusion is microwaved, boiled, or distilled water apparently makes no difference to at least these two types of seeds. Further, from my experiment control, and garden plantings of this year and previous years, individual seeds vary so much in sprouting times and growth rates, it is hard to make any valid conclusions at all from simple home experiments. Certainly to claim the water is at fault if some seeds are slower, or if some plants die, it would take very controlled conditions indeed to make a replicatable experiment from which any valid conclusions could be drawn. In my flower containers are planted several verbenas, all from the same nursery, all in the same potting soil, one has died, some are thriving, some are failing to thrive, again all are watered with the same water. On the basis of my own simple trials, and observaytions, I think the results seen in tests that seemed to show harm from microwaved water are far too likely to be simple variability to be taken seriously as proving microwaved water is harmful to plants. One possibility is acclaimation. If you sprout seeds in microwaved water they acclaimate to it, and do fine. If you take plants that have been growing on tap water, then switch to microwaved tap water, it may shock them. By the same token if you take plants that have sprouted on microwaved water, then switch them to tap water, that may shock them as well. This is an explaination and experiment I suggested some time ago to check, but I am not aware of anyone doing it yet. As to ivy being very tough plants, I have an english ivy houseplant that has struggled for many years. It doesn't quite die, but the darn thing is anything but tough in my opinion. A little too wet or a little too dry, and it starts dying at the growing tips and sheds leaves like crazy. All my other plants grow and grow, but that darn ivy is too delicate for my lackadasical care. I agree, ivy is a very tempermental plant. My son spent around $50,000 having his whole front yard put in english ivy, and 99% of them have died within 2 years. As a side note, it was very interesting to me that there was some list involvement and wow factor from posts that claimed harm from micorwaved water, but only one single post saying you didn't use the right plant to Larry's and later my post that 2 people were unable to duplicate the results of harm. Could this resounding lack of interest because these latest results don't fit preconceived ideas? Maybe because they fit what one would expect, whereas the other results were so unexpected. Marshall sol larry tankersley wrote: Yes that's true, Ivy is hardy. For this to be good science i.e. repeatability I should have ask , I believe it was Marshal, for type plants, stage of growth, soil used and all the other controls needed. Wasn't all that serious about it.. good science can be hard work, one must be serious in wanting to KNOW if what they THINK is TRUE larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for
