Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me.
Realize that AIDS is a symptom, which can be caused by a lot of things. ANYTHING that kills your immune system can cause AIDS. They test for HIV which is somewhat reliable since this virus will bloom significantly when the immune system is compromised. In Africa most of the immune system impairment comes from parasites. That does not mean other things cannot cause it, but things like benzene are fairly rare. HPV also appears to be a possible cause or contributing factor for AIDS. 77% of those with elevated HIV counts also have HPV. But to answer you question, the blood likely contains a number of agents, maybe some chemicals such as benzene, but also viruses such as HPV. For hemophiliacs Factor VIII blood clotting treatment also suppresses the immune system. The assault can then lead to the destruction of the immune system. Specifically in blood transfusions http://www.aliveandwell.org/html/if_its_not/ifitsnothiv.html Transfusion Recipients and Hemophiliacs Hemophiliacs and blood transfusion recipients together make up 2% of adult AIDS cases in the US. As noted previously, Factor VIII, the blood clotting treatment used by hemophiliacs, is itself immune suppressive. Hemophilia is a life-threatening condition in people with or without an HIV positive diagnosis. Ryan White, the young HIV positive hemophiliac who became famous as an AIDS victim, actually died of common complications attributed to hemophilia (internal bleeding and liver failure), not of illnesses that define AIDS.223 Blood transfusions suppress the immune system. Medical experts note that higher amounts of blood transfusions among hospitalized patients correlate with higher death rates. The authors of one recent study on transfusions specifically mention that the immune suppressive effects of transfusions leave recipients vulnerable to deadly opportunistic infection.224 Factor VIII and blood transfusions can cause positive results on HIV antibody tests in persons never exposed to HIV by triggering the production of antibodies that react with the nonspecific proteins used in the HIV antibody test. Once a person has tested positive, they are subject to immune suppressive drug treatment regimens, and the terror of developing AIDS. Members of these risk groups can be more accurately described as people with serious preexisting health challenges, critical or chronic exposure to immune suppressive blood products and toxic AIDS drugs, and/or who are affected by the chronic despair of a fatal diagnosis. Based on this view, immune compromising anti-HIV chemotherapy and continuous antibiotic treatments would compound preexisting health problems, rather than resolve them. Marshall On 2/22/2013 11:52 PM, Dan Nave wrote: How then do you account for transmission of the disease from blood? Dan On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com wrote: On 2/22/2013 12:00 PM, bob Larson wrote: ...i read/followed the MMS scene for a couple years since it's onset. i bought enough bulk powder to make lots of little bottles, and used it with without CS experinenting on my hepC. the stuff is vile, and for most there comes a time when it is too repulsive to take down. i read many HIV/AIDS failures and zero successes in local groups. all the stories of MMS, zappers, beck protocol, Ag4O4,rife,... etc in africa and other places seem to have much better luck than here in the USA. go figger. That is exactly what I would expect if my reading on it is correct. AIDs in Africa is caused by parasites, which MMS kills allowing recovery, most in the IS is from benzene exposure, in which CS, Zapper and MMS will do nothing for. In both cases it appears the the HIV virus is not a cause of AIDS but rather an indicator that the immune system is deficient for whatever reason. From what I have read virtually 100% of the people in the US have the virus, but only those with AIDS have a count high enough to not be ignored. HIV counts are a good way to monitor the situation, but going after the HIV is only going after the monitor, not the cause. It is like having a fire making a lot of smoke, and ignoring the fire, and only trying to dissipate the smoke. The smoke is an indicator, not the cause. I could be wrong on this, but from all I have read over the years that is the conclusion I have drawn as it seems to be the only hypothesis that fits all the data. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2639/5624 - Release Date: 02/22/13
Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me.
Hello Tani, Thanks for your reply. Can you please let me know what Lysing is? I tried to look that up but could not find something obvious related. Also.. these results where permanent? where you able to cure anybody? Look forward for your kind answer Alex On 02/22/2013 10:05 AM, Taniform Asongwe wrote: For the past six years, I have been using various protocols for my HIV patients. The best results have been with the Beck protocol, but you have to do it the right way. But now you say you do not want to hear about Zappers, hh? Anyway, I suggest you use the Beck Protocol for a minimum of two hours daily for a period of two months and not the 3 or 4 weeks suggested. At the end of the two months do a continous electrification for 48 hours. Initially you should expect a drop in T-cell count due to lysing. The viral load however, should drop considerably. In any case I have MOSTLY had a marked increase in T-cell count, viral loads of 100 and vibrant health in my patients. Also take note that small quantities of CS/EIS taken many times over the day are more efficient than large single quantities. Again think of how fast the viral particles are replicated. This group informed me on the safety of DMSO to be used with MMS. I am currently also administering this right now to patients that have developed resistance to anti-retrovirals together with MSM with quite some interesting results. They not only drink it but they also apply it by rubbing it into areas with major lymph nodes (have to clean the areas very well before application of course). Some of these patients were sent home because nothing more could be done for them in the hospital and they have rebounded within eight weeks. However, I do not know whether it is advisable to use the Beck Protocol together with this. I personally will not do this because I do not know the outcome. So choose one way or the other or inform yourself. This is my opinion anyway and I strongly suggest you really inform yourself in great detail. Be well. Tani TO BE PROVEN WRONG IS TO BE CELEBRATED FOR IT MAKES ME BETTER. *From:* Alex Flex aflex...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thursday, 21 February 2013, 22:57 *Subject:* CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. Hello Guys and Girls, Iam a 27 year old guy asymptomatic hiv+ infected, diagnosed 6 months ago. So I made my own colloidal silver @ 10ppm (using destilled water) I did a CD4 count test before and I had started with a 494 mark. I drank CS 3 times per day 15ml each time. Total 45ml per day. After two months I was so anxious to see what progress I made and took the CD4 count test, the result was I reached a low of 400, and the virus viral load had actually increased from 15k to 16k. Iam not implying that colloidal silver actually lowered my cd4 count, but because this was a very pronounced decline and if I shall face another such i would be in trouble i could not continue such treatment. Maybe this testimonial will be helpfull to somebody. Alex -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org http://www.silverlist.org/ Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me.
...i read/followed the MMS scene for a couple years since it's onset. i bought enough bulk powder to make lots of little bottles, and used it with without CS experinenting on my hepC. the stuff is vile, and for most there comes a time when it is too repulsive to take down. i read many HIV/AIDS failures and zero successes in local groups. all the stories of MMS, zappers, beck protocol, Ag4O4,rife,... etc in africa and other places seem to have much better luck than here in the USA. go figger. in my observation MMS won't do much good for anything except maybe some parasitic issues that CS won't do. a LOT more daily CS might help your declining immune system but won't do miracles for your HIV+. blood electrification (a la Beck) only kills virus in the bloodstream, but the HIV apparently must be reached somewhere in intestinal linings or someplace or the viral load comes right back quickly. there are no mag pulsers available likely to do anything with possible exception of the doug coil.and they must be custom made and $$$ probably of limited if any value for HIV... look for testimoinials. ozone can help a lot, but not really a cure either. injected IV has power, drinking ozonated water is good and probably helpful. _ From: AJR [mailto:ajros...@nf.sympatico.ca] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 6:02 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. Hi PT If you want to cure hiv/aids MMS. master mineral solution will do a good job..both MMS1 and MMS2 are used They eliminated the virus in 800 people in that research see this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItAYhG-w_g From: PT Ferrance mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. Perhaps you should correspond with Don Croft at www.worldwithoutparasites.com He wrote to me that he donated some of his original zappers to people in Africa where he saw it cure HIV/AIDS. PT _ From: Alex Flex aflex...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, February 21, 2013 5:10:49 PM Subject: Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. Also by the way please dont reply to me suggesting zappers, I have invested countless hours trying to find testimonials of zappers working or doing anything positive to my condition and I just could not find such thing. In fact there is one testimonial I did find where it says it failed for him: http://freedomfromhiv.blogspot.com/ , I also researched and bought Hulda Clarks book The cure to HIV and AIDS book to learn about her zapper protocol... it turns out she had several testimonials of people cured but that was before the HIV viral load had been launched... when it was launched she learned she did not cure anybody the virus was still there. I did rescue a very good tip from her though which is to screen for parasites and take those very seriously prasites will lower CD4 and increase viral activity. Now, iam doing the same as the URL quoted, as well as this one: http://myprimitivecocktail.blogspot.com which is to consume Olive Leaf there is another testimonial out there: http://www.healinghiv.com/daily-regimen/ . I have next screening in 1 month if its anything valuable I will share... For the folks that have HIV and are reading this... if you are not on medication yet be very carefull on what you elect as supplements... once you have HIV its only a matter of time when you can lower your CD4s and require medication... pick wisely and look for natural substance that either have PROVEN RECENT testimonials, or a placebo controlled clinical study... otherwise dont waste your energy. My two cents. Alex -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me.
Hello ARJ, I have heard of MMS and Jim Humble before but my question is .. why isnt there any testimony on youtube/blog from somebody actually being cured HIV with mms? Or at least somebody from the western word that i can contact... Alex On 02/21/2013 08:01 PM, AJR wrote: Hi PT If you want to cure hiv/aids MMS. master mineral solution will do a good job..both MMS1 and MMS2 are used They eliminated the virus in 800 people in that research see this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItAYhG-w_g *From:* PT Ferrance mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net *Sent:* Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:47 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. Perhaps you should correspond with Don Croft at www.worldwithoutparasites.com http://www.worldwithoutparasites.com He wrote to me that he donated some of his original zappers to people in Africa where he saw it cure HIV/AIDS. PT *From:* Alex Flex aflex...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thu, February 21, 2013 5:10:49 PM *Subject:* Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. Also by the way please dont reply to me suggesting zappers, I have invested countless hours trying to find testimonials of zappers working or doing anything positive to my condition and I just could not find such thing. In fact there is one testimonial I did find where it says it failed for him: http://freedomfromhiv.blogspot.com/ , I also researched and bought Hulda Clarks book The cure to HIV and AIDS book to learn about her zapper protocol... it turns out she had several testimonials of people cured but that was before the HIV viral load had been launched... when it was launched she learned she did not cure anybody the virus was still there. I did rescue a very good tip from her though which is to screen for parasites and take those very seriously prasites will lower CD4 and increase viral activity. Now, iam doing the same as the URL quoted, as well as this one: http://myprimitivecocktail.blogspot.com which is to consume Olive Leaf there is another testimonial out there: http://www.healinghiv.com/daily-regimen/ . I have next screening in 1 month if its anything valuable I will share... For the folks that have HIV and are reading this... if you are not on medication yet be very carefull on what you elect as supplements... once you have HIV its only a matter of time when you can lower your CD4s and require medication... pick wisely and look for natural substance that either have PROVEN RECENT testimonials, or a placebo controlled clinical study... otherwise dont waste your energy. My two cents. Alex -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me.
Hey Bob, you might not be aware that Jim Humble has improved the MMS protocols dramatically to make them much more tolerable. Take a look at the protocol 1000 on http://www.jimhumble.biz. -Alan On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 11:00 AM, bob Larson bobli...@att.net wrote: ** ...i read/followed the MMS scene for a couple years since it's onset. i bought enough bulk powder to make lots of little bottles, and used it with without CS experinenting on my hepC. the stuff is vile, and for most there comes a time when it is too repulsive to take down. i read many HIV/AIDS failures and zero successes in local groups. all the stories of MMS, zappers, beck protocol, Ag4O4,rife,... etc in africa and other places seem to have much better luck than here in the USA. go figger. in my observation MMS won't do much good for anything except maybe some parasitic issues that CS won't do. a LOT more daily CS might help your declining immune system but won't do miracles for your HIV+. blood electrification (a la Beck) only kills virus in the bloodstream, but the HIV apparently must be reached somewhere in intestinal linings or someplace or the viral load comes right back quickly. there are no mag pulsers available likely to do anything with possible exception of the doug coil.and they must be custom made and $$$ probably of limited if any value for HIV... look for testimoinials. ozone can help a lot, but not really a cure either. injected IV has power, drinking ozonated water is good and probably helpful. -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me.
Hello Alex There are hundreds of testimonials of recoveries on the internet’ You are not looking in the right place..Google MMS testimonials and other variations of this and you will come up with all of the testimonials you require..I know many people who have recovered from some very serious diseases and these were verified with Medical tests including MRIs and Catscans etc..Follow the correct hiv/aids protocols for the time required and you will see that it works well.. These are things that the powers that be ..don’t want you to know about.. As you know...it is all about Money..The Aids virus incubates every 1.2 days so the protocol must be very aggresive..Contact Jim Humble directly and follow his suggestions..The results are real..There are more then 10 million bottles of MMS in use and there is no record of any harm..»Colloidal Silver is also very useful too. The objective is to use ``ANYTHING THAT WORKS`` AJR From: Alex Flex Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 1:36 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. Hello ARJ, I have heard of MMS and Jim Humble before but my question is .. why isnt there any testimony on youtube/blog from somebody actually being cured HIV with mms? Or at least somebody from the western word that i can contact... Alex On 02/21/2013 08:01 PM, AJR wrote: Hi PT If you want to cure hiv/aids MMS. master mineral solution will do a good job..both MMS1 and MMS2 are used They eliminated the virus in 800 people in that research see this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItAYhG-w_g From: PT Ferrance Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. Perhaps you should correspond with Don Croft at www.worldwithoutparasites.com He wrote to me that he donated some of his original zappers to people in Africa where he saw it cure HIV/AIDS. PT -- From: Alex Flex mailto:aflex...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, February 21, 2013 5:10:49 PM Subject: Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. Also by the way please dont reply to me suggesting zappers, I have invested countless hours trying to find testimonials of zappers working or doing anything positive to my condition and I just could not find such thing. In fact there is one testimonial I did find where it says it failed for him: http://freedomfromhiv.blogspot.com/ , I also researched and bought Hulda Clarks book The cure to HIV and AIDS book to learn about her zapper protocol... it turns out she had several testimonials of people cured but that was before the HIV viral load had been launched... when it was launched she learned she did not cure anybody the virus was still there. I did rescue a very good tip from her though which is to screen for parasites and take those very seriously prasites will lower CD4 and increase viral activity. Now, iam doing the same as the URL quoted, as well as this one: http://myprimitivecocktail.blogspot.com which is to consume Olive Leaf there is another testimonial out there: http://www.healinghiv.com/daily-regimen/ . I have next screening in 1 month if its anything valuable I will share... For the folks that have HIV and are reading this... if you are not on medication yet be very carefull on what you elect as supplements... once you have HIV its only a matter of time when you can lower your CD4s and require medication... pick wisely and look for natural substance that either have PROVEN RECENT testimonials, or a placebo controlled clinical study... otherwise dont waste your energy. My two cents. Alex -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me.
1. the gov't/FDA hates humble MMS 2. it doesn't really work. there might be some strains of the virus in africa that are more susceptible. _ From: Alex Flex [mailto:aflex...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 9:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. Hello ARJ, I have heard of MMS and Jim Humble before but my question is .. why isnt there any testimony on youtube/blog from somebody actually being cured HIV with mms? Or at least somebody from the western word that i can contact... Alex
RE: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me.
you're right, i haven't kept up for a few years. i'll have to be pretty desperate with some new problem to consider it. i got rid of my hepC finally the triple combo with boceprevir. not fun, but 7 months not a year. _ From: Alan Jones [mailto:alanmjo...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 9:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. Hey Bob, you might not be aware that Jim Humble has improved the MMS protocols dramatically to make them much more tolerable. Take a look at the protocol 1000 on http://www.jimhumble.biz. -Alan
Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me.
On 2/22/2013 12:00 PM, bob Larson wrote: ...i read/followed the MMS scene for a couple years since it's onset. i bought enough bulk powder to make lots of little bottles, and used it with without CS experinenting on my hepC. the stuff is vile, and for most there comes a time when it is too repulsive to take down. i read many HIV/AIDS failures and zero successes in local groups. all the stories of MMS, zappers, beck protocol, Ag4O4,rife,... etc in africa and other places seem to have much better luck than here in the USA. go figger. That is exactly what I would expect if my reading on it is correct. AIDs in Africa is caused by parasites, which MMS kills allowing recovery, most in the IS is from benzene exposure, in which CS, Zapper and MMS will do nothing for. In both cases it appears the the HIV virus is not a cause of AIDS but rather an indicator that the immune system is deficient for whatever reason. From what I have read virtually 100% of the people in the US have the virus, but only those with AIDS have a count high enough to not be ignored. HIV counts are a good way to monitor the situation, but going after the HIV is only going after the monitor, not the cause. It is like having a fire making a lot of smoke, and ignoring the fire, and only trying to dissipate the smoke. The smoke is an indicator, not the cause. I could be wrong on this, but from all I have read over the years that is the conclusion I have drawn as it seems to be the only hypothesis that fits all the data. Marshall
RE: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me.
...i have read some mention of the USA being so full of pollutants that treatments don't work as well... those in africa, south america, and other less developed places have populations not immersed in all that doing much better. i haven't run into this Benzene root notion except maybe once so i forget do you have any links to good reading re the Benzene problem? _ From: Marshall [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 12:17 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. On 2/22/2013 12:00 PM, bob Larson wrote: ...i read/followed the MMS scene for a couple years since it's onset. i bought enough bulk powder to make lots of little bottles, and used it with without CS experinenting on my hepC. the stuff is vile, and for most there comes a time when it is too repulsive to take down. i read many HIV/AIDS failures and zero successes in local groups. all the stories of MMS, zappers, beck protocol, Ag4O4,rife,... etc in africa and other places seem to have much better luck than here in the USA. go figger. That is exactly what I would expect if my reading on it is correct. AIDs in Africa is caused by parasites, which MMS kills allowing recovery, most in the IS is from benzene exposure, in which CS, Zapper and MMS will do nothing for. In both cases it appears the the HIV virus is not a cause of AIDS but rather an indicator that the immune system is deficient for whatever reason. From what I have read virtually 100% of the people in the US have the virus, but only those with AIDS have a count high enough to not be ignored. HIV counts are a good way to monitor the situation, but going after the HIV is only going after the monitor, not the cause. It is like having a fire making a lot of smoke, and ignoring the fire, and only trying to dissipate the smoke. The smoke is an indicator, not the cause. I could be wrong on this, but from all I have read over the years that is the conclusion I have drawn as it seems to be the only hypothesis that fits all the data. Marshall
Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me.
Marshall, Bob et al Iam from Costa Rica, and I was infected here if your theory is correct is there any simple way I can know if the treatment will work for me? It is the first time I hear about Benzene... Thanks Alex On 02/22/2013 02:51 PM, bob Larson wrote: ...i have read some mention of the USA being so full of pollutants that treatments don't work as well... those in africa, south america, and other less developed places have populations not immersed in all that doing much better. i haven't run into this Benzene root notion except maybe once so i forget do you have any links to good reading re the Benzene problem? *From:* Marshall [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] *Sent:* Friday, February 22, 2013 12:17 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. On 2/22/2013 12:00 PM, bob Larson wrote: ...i read/followed the MMS scene for a couple years since it's onset. i bought enough bulk powder to make lots of little bottles, and used it with without CS experinenting on my hepC. the stuff is vile, and for most there comes a time when it is too repulsive to take down. i read many HIV/AIDS failures and zero successes in local groups. all the stories of MMS, zappers, beck protocol, Ag4O4,rife,... etc in africa and other places seem to have much better luck than here in the USA. go figger. That is exactly what I would expect if my reading on it is correct. AIDs in Africa is caused by parasites, which MMS kills allowing recovery, most in the IS is from benzene exposure, in which CS, Zapper and MMS will do nothing for. In both cases it appears the the HIV virus is not a cause of AIDS but rather an indicator that the immune system is deficient for whatever reason. From what I have read virtually 100% of the people in the US have the virus, but only those with AIDS have a count high enough to not be ignored. HIV counts are a good way to monitor the situation, but going after the HIV is only going after the monitor, not the cause. It is like having a fire making a lot of smoke, and ignoring the fire, and only trying to dissipate the smoke. The smoke is an indicator, not the cause. I could be wrong on this, but from all I have read over the years that is the conclusion I have drawn as it seems to be the only hypothesis that fits all the data. Marshall
Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me.
I posted several links in a previous reply to this thread. Googling AIDs and benzene should give a good number of hits on it as well. Marshall On 2/22/2013 3:51 PM, bob Larson wrote: ...i have read some mention of the USA being so full of pollutants that treatments don't work as well... those in africa, south america, and other less developed places have populations not immersed in all that doing much better. i haven't run into this Benzene root notion except maybe once so i forget do you have any links to good reading re the Benzene problem? *From:* Marshall [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] *Sent:* Friday, February 22, 2013 12:17 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. On 2/22/2013 12:00 PM, bob Larson wrote: ...i read/followed the MMS scene for a couple years since it's onset. i bought enough bulk powder to make lots of little bottles, and used it with without CS experinenting on my hepC. the stuff is vile, and for most there comes a time when it is too repulsive to take down. i read many HIV/AIDS failures and zero successes in local groups. all the stories of MMS, zappers, beck protocol, Ag4O4,rife,... etc in africa and other places seem to have much better luck than here in the USA. go figger. That is exactly what I would expect if my reading on it is correct. AIDs in Africa is caused by parasites, which MMS kills allowing recovery, most in the IS is from benzene exposure, in which CS, Zapper and MMS will do nothing for. In both cases it appears the the HIV virus is not a cause of AIDS but rather an indicator that the immune system is deficient for whatever reason. From what I have read virtually 100% of the people in the US have the virus, but only those with AIDS have a count high enough to not be ignored. HIV counts are a good way to monitor the situation, but going after the HIV is only going after the monitor, not the cause. It is like having a fire making a lot of smoke, and ignoring the fire, and only trying to dissipate the smoke. The smoke is an indicator, not the cause. I could be wrong on this, but from all I have read over the years that is the conclusion I have drawn as it seems to be the only hypothesis that fits all the data. Marshall No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2639/5623 - Release Date: 02/22/13
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Benzene is one of the toxins used in natural gas horizontal hydro-fracturing, commonly known as 'fracking'. This is one of the many chemicals we are fighting against when we fight against fracking, which is beginning to menace more and more areas beneath which oil- or gas-bearing shale lure that boom-bust, polluting industry. Millions and millions gallons of fresh water is augmented with highly toxic chemicals, injected into shale to shatter it and drive up natural gas, and then the water (now truly hazardous waste, but thanks to Cheney, no longer identified as such) must be pumped back out and somehow disposed of. These gastards and gasholes have the temerity to offer this toxic waste as a dust-control and de-icer for rural roads. Can you imagine how this application will proliferate these toxins? Into streams, wells, aquifers, and when evaporated, into the air we breathe. By the time the sheeple realize what's been done, so many places will be superfund clean-up sites that there will be no funds to finance them. This pollution is irreversible. Sorry folks, this is the other battle I'm fighting, besides Lyme disease, but they're interconnected and anyone with health issues or common sense needs to learn what's going on, before it's too late. Be well, Léna On Feb 22, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Alex Flex wrote: Marshall, Bob et al Iam from Costa Rica, and I was infected here if your theory is correct is there any simple way I can know if the treatment will work for me? It is the first time I hear about Benzene... Thanks Alex On 02/22/2013 02:51 PM, bob Larson wrote: ...i have read some mention of the USA being so full of pollutants that treatments don't work as well... those in africa, south america, and other less developed places have populations not immersed in all that doing much better. i haven't run into this Benzene root notion except maybe once so i forget do you have any links to good reading re the Benzene problem? From: Marshall [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 12:17 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. On 2/22/2013 12:00 PM, bob Larson wrote: ...i read/followed the MMS scene for a couple years since it's onset. i bought enough bulk powder to make lots of little bottles, and used it with without CS experinenting on my hepC. the stuff is vile, and for most there comes a time when it is too repulsive to take down. i read many HIV/AIDS failures and zero successes in local groups. all the stories of MMS, zappers, beck protocol, Ag4O4,rife,... etc in africa and other places seem to have much better luck than here in the USA. go figger. That is exactly what I would expect if my reading on it is correct. AIDs in Africa is caused by parasites, which MMS kills allowing recovery, most in the IS is from benzene exposure, in which CS, Zapper and MMS will do nothing for. In both cases it appears the the HIV virus is not a cause of AIDS but rather an indicator that the immune system is deficient for whatever reason. From what I have read virtually 100% of the people in the US have the virus, but only those with AIDS have a count high enough to not be ignored. HIV counts are a good way to monitor the situation, but going after the HIV is only going after the monitor, not the cause. It is like having a fire making a lot of smoke, and ignoring the fire, and only trying to dissipate the smoke. The smoke is an indicator, not the cause. I could be wrong on this, but from all I have read over the years that is the conclusion I have drawn as it seems to be the only hypothesis that fits all the data. Marshall
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A lot of people don't follow the exact instructions on everyday use, and that is so very important to do! Every day do the protocol. From: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 3:17 PM Subject: Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. On 2/22/2013 12:00 PM, bob Larson wrote: ...i read/followed the MMS scene for a couple years since it's onset. i bought enough bulk powder to make lots of little bottles, and used it with without CS experinenting on my hepC. the stuff is vile, and for most there comes a time when it is too repulsive to take down. i read many HIV/AIDS failures and zero successes in local groups. all the stories of MMS, zappers, beck protocol, Ag4O4,rife,... etc in africa and other places seem to have much better luck than here in the USA. go figger. That is exactly what I would expect if my reading on it is correct. AIDs in Africa is caused by parasites, which MMS kills allowing recovery, most in the IS is from benzene exposure, in which CS, Zapper and MMS will do nothing for. In both cases it appears the the HIV virus is not a cause of AIDS but rather an indicator that the immune system is deficient for whatever reason. From what I have read virtually 100% of the people in the US have the virus, but only those with AIDS have a count high enough to not be ignored. HIV counts are a good way to monitor the situation, but going after the HIV is only going after the monitor, not the cause. It is like having a fire making a lot of smoke, and ignoring the fire, and only trying to dissipate the smoke. The smoke is an indicator, not the cause. I could be wrong on this, but from all I have read over the years that is the conclusion I have drawn as it seems to be the only hypothesis that fits all the data. Marshall
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This is puzzling to me in that I've never heard of Aids being caused anywhere by benzene exposure. --- On Fri, 2/22/13, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, February 22, 2013, 11:52 PM How then do you account for transmission of the disease from blood? Dan On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: On 2/22/2013 12:00 PM, bob Larson wrote: ...i read/followed the MMS scene for a couple years since it's onset. i bought enough bulk powder to make lots of little bottles, and used it with without CS experinenting on my hepC. the stuff is vile, and for most there comes a time when it is too repulsive to take down. i read many HIV/AIDS failures and zero successes in local groups. all the stories of MMS, zappers, beck protocol, Ag4O4,rife,... etc in africa and other places seem to have much better luck than here in the USA. go figger. That is exactly what I would expect if my reading on it is correct. AIDs in Africa is caused by parasites, which MMS kills allowing recovery, most in the IS is from benzene exposure, in which CS, Zapper and MMS will do nothing for. In both cases it appears the the HIV virus is not a cause of AIDS but rather an indicator that the immune system is deficient for whatever reason. From what I have read virtually 100% of the people in the US have the virus, but only those with AIDS have a count high enough to not be ignored. HIV counts are a good way to monitor the situation, but going after the HIV is only going after the monitor, not the cause. It is like having a fire making a lot of smoke, and ignoring the fire, and only trying to dissipate the smoke. The smoke is an indicator, not the cause. I could be wrong on this, but from all I have read over the years that is the conclusion I have drawn as it seems to be the only hypothesis that fits all the data. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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A useful data point. 1.5 ounces per day is not very much CS. You might consider trying more, however i have no idea how much is needed. -Alan On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Alex Flex aflex...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Guys and Girls, Iam a 27 year old guy asymptomatic hiv+ infected, diagnosed 6 months ago. So I made my own colloidal silver @ 10ppm (using destilled water) I did a CD4 count test before and I had started with a 494 mark. I drank CS 3 times per day 15ml each time. Total 45ml per day. After two months I was so anxious to see what progress I made and took the CD4 count test, the result was I reached a low of 400, and the virus viral load had actually increased from 15k to 16k. Iam not implying that colloidal silver actually lowered my cd4 count, but because this was a very pronounced decline and if I shall face another such i would be in trouble i could not continue such treatment. Maybe this testimonial will be helpfull to somebody. Alex -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.com silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
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Also by the way please dont reply to me suggesting zappers, I have invested countless hours trying to find testimonials of zappers working or doing anything positive to my condition and I just could not find such thing. In fact there is one testimonial I did find where it says it failed for him: http://freedomfromhiv.blogspot.com/ , I also researched and bought Hulda Clarks book The cure to HIV and AIDS book to learn about her zapper protocol... it turns out she had several testimonials of people cured but that was before the HIV viral load had been launched... when it was launched she learned she did not cure anybody the virus was still there. I did rescue a very good tip from her though which is to screen for parasites and take those very seriously prasites will lower CD4 and increase viral activity. Now, iam doing the same as the URL quoted, as well as this one: http://myprimitivecocktail.blogspot.com which is to consume Olive Leaf there is another testimonial out there: http://www.healinghiv.com/daily-regimen/ . I have next screening in 1 month if its anything valuable I will share... For the folks that have HIV and are reading this... if you are not on medication yet be very carefull on what you elect as supplements... once you have HIV its only a matter of time when you can lower your CD4s and require medication... pick wisely and look for natural substance that either have PROVEN RECENT testimonials, or a placebo controlled clinical study... otherwise dont waste your energy. My two cents. Alex -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me.
Go to great lengths to avoid benzene and related compounds and remove them from your environment and body. CS will not kill benzene since it is a chemical: http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/sblubejob.htm http://lofi.forum.physorg.com/Benzene-And-Aids-Hypothesis_25029.html http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=64848221 http://www.mysticbroadcast.net/boyd/benzene.html Marshall On 2/21/2013 5:16 PM, Alex Flex wrote: Also by the way please dont reply to me suggesting zappers, I have invested countless hours trying to find testimonials of zappers working or doing anything positive to my condition and I just could not find such thing. In fact there is one testimonial I did find where it says it failed for him: http://freedomfromhiv.blogspot.com/ , I also researched and bought Hulda Clarks book The cure to HIV and AIDS book to learn about her zapper protocol... it turns out she had several testimonials of people cured but that was before the HIV viral load had been launched... when it was launched she learned she did not cure anybody the virus was still there. I did rescue a very good tip from her though which is to screen for parasites and take those very seriously prasites will lower CD4 and increase viral activity. Now, iam doing the same as the URL quoted, as well as this one: http://myprimitivecocktail.blogspot.com which is to consume Olive Leaf there is another testimonial out there: http://www.healinghiv.com/daily-regimen/ . I have next screening in 1 month if its anything valuable I will share... For the folks that have HIV and are reading this... if you are not on medication yet be very carefull on what you elect as supplements... once you have HIV its only a matter of time when you can lower your CD4s and require medication... pick wisely and look for natural substance that either have PROVEN RECENT testimonials, or a placebo controlled clinical study... otherwise dont waste your energy. My two cents. Alex -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2639/5621 - Release Date: 02/21/13
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Have you thought of doing the Beck Protocol? From: Alex Flex aflex...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:57 PM Subject: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. Hello Guys and Girls, Iam a 27 year old guy asymptomatic hiv+ infected, diagnosed 6 months ago. So I made my own colloidal silver @ 10ppm (using destilled water) I did a CD4 count test before and I had started with a 494 mark. I drank CS 3 times per day 15ml each time. Total 45ml per day. After two months I was so anxious to see what progress I made and took the CD4 count test, the result was I reached a low of 400, and the virus viral load had actually increased from 15k to 16k. Iam not implying that colloidal silver actually lowered my cd4 count, but because this was a very pronounced decline and if I shall face another such i would be in trouble i could not continue such treatment. Maybe this testimonial will be helpfull to somebody. Alex -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me.
I would try the dose you are using every 2 to 3 hours, as small doses over time work better than a single large dose. From: Alan Jones alanmjo...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:02 PM Subject: Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. A useful data point. 1.5 ounces per day is not very much CS. You might consider trying more, however i have no idea how much is needed. -Alan On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Alex Flex aflex...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Guys and Girls, Iam a 27 year old guy asymptomatic hiv+ infected, diagnosed 6 months ago. So I made my own colloidal silver @ 10ppm (using destilled water) I did a CD4 count test before and I had started with a 494 mark. I drank CS 3 times per day 15ml each time. Total 45ml per day. After two months I was so anxious to see what progress I made and took the CD4 count test, the result was I reached a low of 400, and the virus viral load had actually increased from 15k to 16k. Iam not implying that colloidal silver actually lowered my cd4 count, but because this was a very pronounced decline and if I shall face another such i would be in trouble i could not continue such treatment. Maybe this testimonial will be helpfull to somebody. Alex -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
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Perhaps you should correspond with Don Croft at www.worldwithoutparasites.com He wrote to me that he donated some of his original zappers to people in Africa where he saw it cure HIV/AIDS. PT From: Alex Flex aflex...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, February 21, 2013 5:10:49 PM Subject: Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. Also by the way please dont reply to me suggesting zappers, I have invested countless hours trying to find testimonials of zappers working or doing anything positive to my condition and I just could not find such thing. In fact there is one testimonial I did find where it says it failed for him: http://freedomfromhiv.blogspot.com/ , I also researched and bought Hulda Clarks book The cure to HIV and AIDS book to learn about her zapper protocol... it turns out she had several testimonials of people cured but that was before the HIV viral load had been launched... when it was launched she learned she did not cure anybody the virus was still there. I did rescue a very good tip from her though which is to screen for parasites and take those very seriously prasites will lower CD4 and increase viral activity. Now, iam doing the same as the URL quoted, as well as this one: http://myprimitivecocktail.blogspot.com which is to consume Olive Leaf there is another testimonial out there: http://www.healinghiv.com/daily-regimen/ . I have next screening in 1 month if its anything valuable I will share... For the folks that have HIV and are reading this... if you are not on medication yet be very carefull on what you elect as supplements... once you have HIV its only a matter of time when you can lower your CD4s and require medication... pick wisely and look for natural substance that either have PROVEN RECENT testimonials, or a placebo controlled clinical study... otherwise dont waste your energy. My two cents. Alex -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me.
Hi PT If you want to cure hiv/aids MMS. master mineral solution will do a good job..both MMS1 and MMS2 are used They eliminated the virus in 800 people in that research see this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItAYhG-w_g From: PT Ferrance Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 9:47 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. Perhaps you should correspond with Don Croft at www.worldwithoutparasites.com He wrote to me that he donated some of his original zappers to people in Africa where he saw it cure HIV/AIDS. PT From: Alex Flex aflex...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, February 21, 2013 5:10:49 PM Subject: Re: CShiv testimonial - CS did not work for me. Also by the way please dont reply to me suggesting zappers, I have invested countless hours trying to find testimonials of zappers working or doing anything positive to my condition and I just could not find such thing. In fact there is one testimonial I did find where it says it failed for him: http://freedomfromhiv.blogspot.com/ , I also researched and bought Hulda Clarks book The cure to HIV and AIDS book to learn about her zapper protocol... it turns out she had several testimonials of people cured but that was before the HIV viral load had been launched... when it was launched she learned she did not cure anybody the virus was still there. I did rescue a very good tip from her though which is to screen for parasites and take those very seriously prasites will lower CD4 and increase viral activity. Now, iam doing the same as the URL quoted, as well as this one: http://myprimitivecocktail.blogspot.com which is to consume Olive Leaf there is another testimonial out there: http://www.healinghiv.com/daily-regimen/ . I have next screening in 1 month if its anything valuable I will share... For the folks that have HIV and are reading this... if you are not on medication yet be very carefull on what you elect as supplements... once you have HIV its only a matter of time when you can lower your CD4s and require medication... pick wisely and look for natural substance that either have PROVEN RECENT testimonials, or a placebo controlled clinical study... otherwise dont waste your energy. My two cents. Alex -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
