RE: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results
Hi Beth, Yes, That is one way of looking at it. Uncontrolled, the voltage across the electrodes stays constant, and the current increases with time because the resistance of the water plus silver decreases (conductivity increases.) One way is to insert a constant current module so that current is limited. A 'good number' to use is 1mA per square inch (max) of wetted anode area. OK, Tony On 7 Nov 2010 at 9:18, Beth wrote about : Subject : RE: CSmaking first batch need inpu So then it is a matter of lessening the current as time goes on Is that what the silver puppy is designed to do? Because as I watched it near the end, there was alot of smoke coming off of the rod. It was probably too much. Beth Runaway is due to current rising with water conductivity. Stirring helps mitigate the effects, but only just so much. You didn't stir constantly either, so high concentrations zones formed, drawing even more current. ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectarchives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results
Runaway is due to current rising with water conductivity.
Stirring helps mitigate the effects, but only just so much.
You didn't stir constantly either, so high concentrations zones
formed, drawing even more current.
ode
At 09:27 AM 11/5/2010 -0700, you wrote:
LOL You are absolutely right! It must have been late! It was 2 hrs 20min
Not 1hr 40
Do you think that is why it went yellow today?
Or was it from the runaway theory?
Because it got a good stir every 20 min session.
Beth
---
If I've read your times right it took 2 hours 20 minutes.
For that volume of water I'd say you definitely should be using some form
of stirring.
Anything over 300ml {a glass} I incorporate stirring without question.
You can make your own magnetic stirrer using the fan and one of the
magnets out of the hard drive from an old computer.
Play around with google and you'll find ideas, they're dead simple to make.
N.
It went yellow this morning!
Now what?
Beth
Crikey, mine takes five and a half
hours to make 500mls! dee
On 5 Nov 2010, at 02:03, Beth wrote:
My Final Results:
Hanna Pwt meter reading
Started with 0.2 distilled water
+20 min = 0.3
+20 min = 0.9
+20 min = 3.4 some black res on one electrode(off with
paper towel)
+20 min= 5.6 some black res on both(off with pt each
time after this)
+20 min=10.4
+20 min=17.8
+10 min= 20.8
+ 5 min= 23.8
+ 5 min= 25.2
total 1 hour 40 min
750 ml water(3 cups)
25.2 x 0.4 = 10ppm
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RE: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results
So then it is a matter of lessening the current as time goes on Is that what the silver puppy is designed to do? Because as I watched it near the end, there was alot of smoke coming off of the rod. It was probably too much. Beth Runaway is due to current rising with water conductivity. Stirring helps mitigate the effects, but only just so much. You didn't stir constantly either, so high concentrations zones formed, drawing even more current. ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results
Crikey, mine takes five and a half hours to make 500mls! dee On 5 Nov 2010, at 02:03, Beth wrote: My Final Results: Hanna Pwt meter reading Started with 0.2 distilled water +20 min = 0.3 +20 min = 0.9 +20 min = 3.4 some black res on one electrode(off with paper towel) +20 min= 5.6 some black res on both(off with pt each time after this) +20 min=10.4 +20 min=17.8 +10 min= 20.8 + 5 min= 23.8 + 5 min= 25.2 total 1 hour 40 min 750 ml water(3 cups) 25.2 x 0.4 = 10ppm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results
It went yellow this morning! Now what? Beth Crikey, mine takes five and a half hours to make 500mls! dee On 5 Nov 2010, at 02:03, Beth wrote: My Final Results: Hanna Pwt meter reading Started with 0.2 distilled water +20 min = 0.3 +20 min = 0.9 +20 min = 3.4 some black res on one electrode(off with paper towel) +20 min= 5.6 some black res on both(off with pt each time after this) +20 min=10.4 +20 min=17.8 +10 min= 20.8 + 5 min= 23.8 + 5 min= 25.2 total 1 hour 40 min 750 ml water(3 cups) 25.2 x 0.4 = 10ppm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results
If I've read your times right it took 2 hours 20 minutes.
For that volume of water I'd say you definitely should be using some form of
stirring.
Anything over 300ml {a glass} I incorporate stirring without question.
You can make your own magnetic stirrer using the fan and one of the magnets out
of the hard drive from an old computer.
Play around with google and you'll find ideas, they're dead simple to make.
N.
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 05:22:55 -0700
From: csilverl...@yahoo.ca
Subject: Re: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
It went yellow this morning!
Now what?
Beth
Crikey, mine takes five and a half
hours to make 500mls! dee
On 5 Nov 2010, at 02:03, Beth wrote:
My Final Results:
Hanna Pwt meter reading
Started with 0.2 distilled water
+20 min = 0.3
+20 min = 0.9
+20 min = 3.4 some black res on one electrode(off with
paper towel)
+20 min= 5.6 some black res on both(off with pt each
time after this)
+20 min=10.4
+20 min=17.8
+10 min= 20.8
+ 5 min= 23.8
+ 5 min= 25.2
total 1 hour 40 min
750 ml water(3 cups)
25.2 x 0.4 = 10ppm
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RE: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results
LOL You are absolutely right! It must have been late! It was 2 hrs 20min
Not 1hr 40
Do you think that is why it went yellow today?
Or was it from the runaway theory?
Because it got a good stir every 20 min session.
Beth
---
If I've read your times right it took 2 hours 20 minutes.
For that volume of water I'd say you definitely should be using some form of
stirring.
Anything over 300ml {a glass} I incorporate stirring without question.
You can make your own magnetic stirrer using the fan and one of the magnets out
of the hard drive from an old computer.
Play around with google and you'll find ideas, they're dead simple to make.
N.
It went yellow this morning!
Now what?
Beth
Crikey, mine takes five and a half
hours to make 500mls! dee
On 5 Nov 2010, at 02:03, Beth wrote:
My Final Results:
Hanna Pwt meter reading
Started with 0.2 distilled water
+20 min = 0.3
+20 min = 0.9
+20 min = 3.4 some black res on one electrode(off with
paper towel)
+20 min= 5.6 some black res on both(off with pt each
time after this)
+20 min=10.4
+20 min=17.8
+10 min= 20.8
+ 5 min= 23.8
+ 5 min= 25.2
total 1 hour 40 min
750 ml water(3 cups)
25.2 x 0.4 = 10ppm
Re: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results
No, because mine doesn't go yellow (usually) and its 'cooking' for 5 and a half hours! dee On 5 Nov 2010, at 16:27, Beth wrote: LOL You are absolutely right! It must have been late! It was 2 hrs 20min Not 1hr 40 Do you think that is why it went yellow today? Or was it from the runaway theory? Because it got a good stir every 20 min session. Beth --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results
Hi Dee So do you stir it in that 5 hour time? That was what I was wondering about. Is it lack of constant stirring or is it the runaway theory? It was not yellow but a tad bit cloudier than pure water last night and now it is clear clear but yellow. Beth No, because mine doesn't go yellow (usually) and its 'cooking' for 5 and a half hours! dee On 5 Nov 2010, at 16:27, Beth wrote: LOL You are absolutely right! It must have been late! It was 2 hrs 20min Not 1hr 40 Do you think that is why it went yellow today? Or was it from the runaway theory? Because it got a good stir every 20 min session. Beth --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results
Hi Beth, I have the Silver Puppy with the magnetic stir i.e. a little plastic tube spins continuously in the bottom of the jar, so it is being stirred the whole time it is 'brewing.' When I first started making my own CS i did get the occasional yellow batch, and very occasionally I get one now. Ode (and others) say that this can just happen as there are so many variables involved. In my case it was never the water as this measured 0 consistently on my TDS and other batches made with water from the same bottle--were ok. I believe it can be just something in the air i.e. contaminants of some sort which can't even be seen--which will turn a batch yellow. Most don't worry about this and yellow is ok anyway. I just prefer it (being pedantic) to be clear. dee On 5 Nov 2010, at 18:05, Beth wrote: Hi Dee So do you stir it in that 5 hour time? That was what I was wondering about. Is it lack of constant stirring or is it the runaway theory? It was not yellow but a tad bit cloudier than pure water last night and now it is clear clear but yellow. Beth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results
Since I don't like having something foreign in the bottle of CS I opted for the convection stirrer and it works well for me... despite the fact that it took 11 hours yesterday! PT From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 2:43:09 PM Subject: Re: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results Hi Beth, I have the Silver Puppy with the magnetic stir i.e. a little plastic tube spins continuously in the bottom of the jar, so it is being stirred the whole time it is 'brewing.' When I first started making my own CS i did get the occasional yellow batch, and very occasionally I get one now. Ode (and others) say that this can just happen as there are so many variables involved. In my case it was never the water as this measured 0 consistently on my TDS and other batches made with water from the same bottle--were ok. I believe it can be just something in the air i.e. contaminants of some sort which can't even be seen--which will turn a batch yellow. Most don't worry about this and yellow is ok anyway. I just prefer it (being pedantic) to be clear. dee On 5 Nov 2010, at 18:05, Beth wrote: Hi Dee So do you stir it in that 5 hour time? That was what I was wondering about. Is it lack of constant stirring or is it the runaway theory? It was not yellow but a tad bit cloudier than pure water last night and now it is clear clear but yellow. Beth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results
Well it doesn't bother me as it just sits in the brewing jar and never goes anywhere else! dee On 5 Nov 2010, at 19:19, PT Ferrance wrote: Since I don't like having something foreign in the bottle of CS I opted for the convection stirrer and it works well for me... despite the fact that it took 11 hours yesterday! PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results
Well it could have gone yellow cos you parted your hair differently on the day Beth g. Seriously tho, there are various reasons which could have an influence so it's pretty difficult to determine exactly. One could use that old saying...just when you think you got it nailed, you get screwed. I think if you incorporate some form of *constant* stirring method you may have better control. I don't believe stirring intermittently is good enough, specially for volumes over 300ml or a glass say. If that unit is not current controlled it probly is some 'runaway'. I think you said you use a battery unit, if so, I wouldn't be making anything higher than a glass in volume. I only use a battery unit for emergencies, and I only make a glass full, any volume greater than a glass I use a current controlled mains powered unit with constant stirring. You also mentioned something about ...a tad cloudy, that makes me wonder how pure that water is? It should be totally transparent...clear or yellow. You should also notice a '3d' effect to the water, or 'depth' to the clarity. It's hard to describe, but if you put a container of finished product next to a container of just water you'll see what I'm getting at. N. Subject: Re: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results From: d...@deetroy.org Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:43:25 + To: silver-list@eskimo.com No, because mine doesn't go yellow (usually) and its 'cooking' for 5 and a half hours! dee On 5 Nov 2010, at 16:27, Beth wrote: LOL You are absolutely right! It must have been late! It was 2 hrs 20min Not 1hr 40 Do you think that is why it went yellow today? Or was it from the runaway theory? Because it got a good stir every 20 min session. Beth --- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results
Yes I also noticed that over the last 20 min of cooking is when I could see the silver coming off of the rod in a cloudy milky way. My water was tap water(we get it in bottles) and I had double distilled it. THe pwt meter said .3 so it was far below 1. I will try again and not go for so long. I am sure 5ppm clear solution is better than 10ppm yellow.(I dont want yellow for internal consumption) I will have to invest in a puppy but that will take some time. A friend of mine might buy one so I will try hers if she does. : ) I want a zapper first(but sota is too expensive) and I also want to try mms. I have health issues and people in my family have issues that I am trying to get things under control outside of modern medicine, that is in my opinion, sometimes its own enemy. Dont get me wrong I still go to doctors but natural supplements is the only thing that has really helped me so far. Beth From: Neville Munn one...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results To: silver-list@eskimo.com Received: Friday, November 5, 2010, 8:12 PM Well it could have gone yellow cos you parted your hair differently on the day Beth g. Seriously tho, there are various reasons which could have an influence so it's pretty difficult to determine exactly. One could use that old saying...just when you think you got it nailed, you get screwed. I think if you incorporate some form of *constant* stirring method you may have better control. I don't believe stirring intermittently is good enough, specially for volumes over 300ml or a glass say. If that unit is not current controlled it probly is some 'runaway'. I think you said you use a battery unit, if so, I wouldn't be making anything higher than a glass in volume. I only use a battery unit for emergencies, and I only make a glass full, any volume greater than a glass I use a current controlled mains powered unit with constant stirring. You also mentioned something about ...a tad cloudy, that makes me wonder how pure that water is? It should be totally transparent...clear or yellow. You should also notice a '3d' effect to the water, or 'depth' to the clarity. It's hard to describe, but if you put a container of finished product next to a container of just water you'll see what I'm getting at. N.
RE: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results
Your snipped quote:
[...5ppm clear solution is better than 10ppm yellow.(I dont want yellow for
internal consumption)]
Have you a particular reason for saying this? A clear solution will be
predominantly Ionic whereas a coloured solution will be higher in particulate
content by ratio...there's a use for both.
I know there's a lot of talk about clear vs yellow but after much reading I
have found nothing which suggests that coloured poses any problem or issue used
internally. Colour to me signifies a much higher *total* silver content that's
all, which dictates to me how much to use/apply/ingest at any given time and
for any given health or wound issue.
I determine which solution to use based on the situation/circumstance.
Colour can signify larger particles/particle clusters but that doesn't
necessarily mean those particles are too large to be bioavailable. That may be
a popular belief, but I personally don't subscribe to that belief from much
literature I've read. It can also indicate *total* silver content whereby
those particles/particle clusters which are present are *still* small enough to
be bioavailable and efficacious {that can be argued I spose, but with someone
else g}.
However, it is of course a matter of personal opinion/belief.
If my solutions remain clear, or coloured {depending on which way I parted my
hair on the day}, are totally transparent, gravity fails to pull anything out
of solution after days/weeks or months in storage, and there is no 'stuff'
floating around or laying on the surface of my solutions, I conclude it's high
quality and will remain that way indefinitely {as it should}.
Any 'foreign' matter I may observe has not come from the water as a result of
electrolysis, I've learnt it's more likely to come from fluff or 'stuff?'
present in the DW itself, or minute fibres from the paper towel used when
cleaning the electrodes during production process {or any number of ways}, and
the silver sticks to that 'foreign matter' during the stirring process.
Just my personal perspectives, observations and convictions on the various
forms of EIS/CS...and I ain't got coloured nail moons/beds, or look like Mr
smurf yet...and I have no inclination to knock on wood either g.
N.
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:32:13 -0700
From: csilverl...@yahoo.ca
Subject: RE: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Yes I also noticed that over the last 20 min of cooking is when I could see the
silver
coming off of the rod in a cloudy milky way.
My water was tap water(we get it in bottles) and I had double distilled it. THe
pwt meter
said .3 so it was far below 1.
I will try again and not go for so long. I am sure 5ppm clear solution is
better than 10ppm yellow.(I dont want yellow for internal consumption)
Beth
Re: CSmaking first batch need input please/Final Results
My Final Results: Hanna Pwt meter reading Started with 0.2 distilled water +20 min = 0.3 +20 min = 0.9 +20 min = 3.4 some black res on one electrode(off with paper towel) +20 min= 5.6 some black res on both(off with pt each time after this) +20 min=10.4 +20 min=17.8 +10 min= 20.8 + 5 min= 23.8 + 5 min= 25.2 total 1 hour 40 min 750 ml water(3 cups) 25.2 x 0.4 = 10ppm I tasted 1 tbs. I could not taste anything at first I just took half of the tbs, then with the rest in my mouth and I could taste a metalic taste. After each min session I poured into a second jar and back and forth to stir the water up. Wiped off the silver rods and kept going. Nothing showed up until about the first hour. It has a strong tyndal effect with the red laser. It is not yellow but It is a little cloudier than the bottle of just DW I will let it sit for a few days and see if there is any change. Thats it for now. Hope this helps someone in the future. Beth ( Jumping up and down doing the silver dance!!) --- On Thu, 11/4/10, Beth csilverl...@yahoo.ca wrote: From: Beth csilverl...@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: CSmaking first batch need input please To: silver-list@eskimo.com Received: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 8:10 PM Thanks so much Marshalee I put the electrodes 1.5 inches apart and I am using the gadget that only uses 1 battery even though it says it has 0-33volts(I am not sure how that works.) Anyway, it has a 20 min timer and every 20 min I am calculating the water with hanna pwt meter. So far I have started at .1 20 min later: .3 .9 3.4 had to wipe of black residue this round So it seems to be doubling every 20 min I will post the results when it is done. Trying to get to 10ppm without going yellow. And I need to calculate it from the pwt chart to get it to ppm. 1=.4 so I have a ways to go. I dont mind having a battery unit as it will be handy if we have power outage I'd like to invest in a wall unit in the future... along with a zapper. Trying to get healthy in a natural way and hopefully help others in my family with ailments that dont seem to get better with modern medicine. Beth Hi, Beth, I`m Marshalee, an oldie on the List. I`ve been using CS for 14 years now. I`m a Lyme Disease survivor thanks to CS. I make my own CS with a gadget that plugs in the wall, giving me 30 volts. (I have used the 3 9-volt batteries and salt method, but this works better.) I use 2 cups of room temp. DW, and 2 five-inch long pieces of 14 gauge .999 fine silver wires. I hook them to the box with alligator clips, and use a glass 2-cup measuring cup, used only for CS making. I leave it for 1 hour which gives about 18 PPM clear CS. Thanks to CS I`m well, and I`m not blue or gray (other than the hair, and well, I`m 58 now, so yes it IS supposed to be gray!) The CS has worked well for my animals too. I hope this will help! Let me know if you have any other questions.Marshalee On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Beth csilverl...@yahoo.ca wrote: Hi all. Just about to make my first batch however I would like input as to how to do this properly. The instructions from the company says to make the water hot to boiling point. But this is to make yellow silver. I dont want to make yellow product. So... Im thinking: do I need to heat the water or should I just plug it in and let it go and see how long it takes at room temp.? Also, how far apart should I put the probes? I have it in a 750ml jar. (Which is 5 cups of water.) I dont have a silver puppy or something to stir it as it cooks. I wish I did but I spent tons on everything I have so far and cant just go out and buy another one at this time. Beth
