Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones---
Arnold Beland wrote: Hi Marshall, It is interesting to me that you mention silver acetate. There is a member on this list selling a generator using two 1.5 volt batteries for a total of three volts as a Power Supply. I have been pondering how this could possibly work for some time. A careful reading of his instructions for use on his website shows that he instructs the users to clean the rods before using with vinegar and for them to be wet with the vinegar when they are inserted into the distilled water. Could this explain the use of only three volts? Isn't silver acetate used as an insecticide? Best regards, Arnold That would certainly produce some silver acetate, since there would be a few drops of acetic acid in the mix. Silver acetate is listed with the epa as a registered psetacide, although I was unable to find what pests it is used for. Marshall On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Indi wrote: On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 12:16:18PM -0600, Norton, Steve wrote: For what it is worth Dynamite Solace claims to be Pure Colloidal Silver (200 ppm) in a base of distilled water and electrolytes.. No other info. - Steve N Ah, electrolytes -- silver chloride, probably. That might give one the blues... Cheers, indi Couldn't have been silver chloride at 200 ppm. Silver chloride only has a solubility of around 0.8 ppm. More likely silver citrate, silver acetate, or silver nitrate which all have good solubility. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org http://silverlist.org/ To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones---
I have diluted 400 ppm silver citrate to 20 ppm with distilled water and had no precipitation. The silver does precipitate out if tap water is used. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri Dec 26 16:17:03 2008 Subject: Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones--- Indi wrote: On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 12:16:18PM -0600, Norton, Steve wrote: For what it is worth Dynamite Solace claims to be Pure Colloidal Silver (200 ppm) in a base of distilled water and electrolytes.. No other info. - Steve N Ah, electrolytes -- silver chloride, probably. That might give one the blues... Cheers, indi Couldn't have been silver chloride at 200 ppm. Silver chloride only has a solubility of around 0.8 ppm. More likely silver citrate, silver acetate, or silver nitrate which all have good solubility. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones---
Hi Arnold, That is interesting about the vinegar / acetate . dunno about insecticide. But what I want to say is that round about 3 volts is what is used in silver plating for stripping silver off smoothly. OK, Tony On 26 Dec 2008 at 18:58, Arnold Beland wrote about : Subject : Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the Hi Marshall, It is interesting to me that you mention silver acetate. There is a member on this list selling a generator using two 1.5 volt batteries for a total of three volts as a Power Supply. I have been pondering how this could possibly work for some time. A careful reading of his instructions for use on his website shows that he instructs the users to clean the rods before using with vinegar and for them to be wet with the vinegar when they are inserted into the distilled water. Could this explain the use of only three volts? Isn't silver acetate used as an insecticide? Best regards, Arnold
Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones---
Here is my best guess, since I don't know anything about what you
purchased. If it was 200 ppm, then it was NOT colloidal silver. It was
either a silver compound, or a silver protein. My guess would be a
silver protein. Silver proteins have the silver bound up in a protein,
and are of larger particle size, so their effectiveness is about 1/50
that of properly made colloidal silver. That is the 200 ppm MSP is about
as effective as 4 ppm EIS. Now if you dilute that to 5 ppm, that would
be a 40 to one dilution. The effectiveness would go to near 0, and
there is nothing to prevent the protein from being attacked by bacteria
and fungi any more. So my suspicion is that what you are seeing
setting out is probably either bacteria, fungi, or spores from them.
Marshall
M. G. Devour wrote:
I just wanted to bump this to see if anybody has any other thoughts for
Lois...
Lois,
Welcome to the group!
If you have particles that are settling out, then you're definitely
dealing with something that's not what we've come to consider best.
It's not going to do you any serious harm to use what you have, but I'd
be very concerned about that 200ppm stuff long-term.
As for the product of your generator: I'm not familiar with Abe's
generator setup, but it sounds like he uses series resistors to limit
the current, right? How long does a batch take to make, and what size
batch is it?
Are there fuzzy deposits on one or both electrodes when you're
finished, and do you mix these in? If so, that could be the source of
your settling. General good practice is to remove the electrodes from
the water carefully to avoid dislodging any such deposits and letting
any that do get shaken loose settle.
So, short answer, let it settle out and decant the rest, which should
be predominatly ionic and *small* particle, and safer to use long term.
Any other thoughts, folks? Abe, wanna give us some details of your
generator design so we can comment intelligently about it? grin
Thanks,
Mike D.
I bought some 200ppm from the dynamite co. They call theirs solace. I
mixed 1-half tsp. in distilled h2o to come up with 5ppm. I did about a
quart. It was about 2- 3 weeks ago. {kept in a dark brown bottle in a
cool room in the dark } Just got a bottle out and find that the laser
line is weak---if I turn the bottle a few times the line is dark red.
My question is---Is this safe to use internally or are the silver
particles too large?? { they fell to the bottom.} I have only been
learning about silver and it's uses for a short time have so very much
to learn.
I also got a generator set up from abelandaltasnove.com which
uses 4
9V batteries, a meter with a 33K resistor two 4 9's 4 inch silver
wires. We
made 1 batch, last week. I have noticed that the same thing is
happening , a
light line and then dark when it is mixed..} What did I do wrong,???
Thanks for any help you can give===Lois
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Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones---
For what it is worth Dynamite Solace claims to be Pure Colloidal Silver (200
ppm) in a base of distilled water and electrolytes..
No other info.
- Steve N
- Original Message -
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri Dec 26 09:50:23 2008
Subject: Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones---
Here is my best guess, since I don't know anything about what you
purchased. If it was 200 ppm, then it was NOT colloidal silver. It was
either a silver compound, or a silver protein. My guess would be a
silver protein. Silver proteins have the silver bound up in a protein,
and are of larger particle size, so their effectiveness is about 1/50
that of properly made colloidal silver. That is the 200 ppm MSP is about
as effective as 4 ppm EIS. Now if you dilute that to 5 ppm, that would
be a 40 to one dilution. The effectiveness would go to near 0, and
there is nothing to prevent the protein from being attacked by bacteria
and fungi any more. So my suspicion is that what you are seeing
setting out is probably either bacteria, fungi, or spores from them.
Marshall
M. G. Devour wrote:
I just wanted to bump this to see if anybody has any other thoughts for
Lois...
Lois,
Welcome to the group!
If you have particles that are settling out, then you're definitely
dealing with something that's not what we've come to consider best.
It's not going to do you any serious harm to use what you have, but I'd
be very concerned about that 200ppm stuff long-term.
As for the product of your generator: I'm not familiar with Abe's
generator setup, but it sounds like he uses series resistors to limit
the current, right? How long does a batch take to make, and what size
batch is it?
Are there fuzzy deposits on one or both electrodes when you're
finished, and do you mix these in? If so, that could be the source of
your settling. General good practice is to remove the electrodes from
the water carefully to avoid dislodging any such deposits and letting
any that do get shaken loose settle.
So, short answer, let it settle out and decant the rest, which should
be predominatly ionic and *small* particle, and safer to use long term.
Any other thoughts, folks? Abe, wanna give us some details of your
generator design so we can comment intelligently about it? grin
Thanks,
Mike D.
I bought some 200ppm from the dynamite co. They call theirs solace. I
mixed 1-half tsp. in distilled h2o to come up with 5ppm. I did about a
quart. It was about 2- 3 weeks ago. {kept in a dark brown bottle in a
cool room in the dark } Just got a bottle out and find that the laser
line is weak---if I turn the bottle a few times the line is dark red.
My question is---Is this safe to use internally or are the silver
particles too large?? { they fell to the bottom.} I have only been
learning about silver and it's uses for a short time have so very much
to learn.
I also got a generator set up from abelandaltasnove.com which
uses 4
9V batteries, a meter with a 33K resistor two 4 9's 4 inch silver
wires. We
made 1 batch, last week. I have noticed that the same thing is
happening , a
light line and then dark when it is mixed..} What did I do wrong,???
Thanks for any help you can give===Lois
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Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones---
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 12:16:18PM -0600, Norton, Steve wrote: For what it is worth Dynamite Solace claims to be Pure Colloidal Silver (200 ppm) in a base of distilled water and electrolytes.. No other info. - Steve N Ah, electrolytes -- silver chloride, probably. That might give one the blues... Cheers, indi -- WARNING: This message may contain sarcasm, dark humor, disagreement, and honesty. In case of headache, elevated blood pressure, violent thoughts and/or rage, please discontinue use. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones---
Indi wrote: On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 12:16:18PM -0600, Norton, Steve wrote: For what it is worth Dynamite Solace claims to be Pure Colloidal Silver (200 ppm) in a base of distilled water and electrolytes.. No other info. - Steve N Ah, electrolytes -- silver chloride, probably. That might give one the blues... Cheers, indi Couldn't have been silver chloride at 200 ppm. Silver chloride only has a solubility of around 0.8 ppm. More likely silver citrate, silver acetate, or silver nitrate which all have good solubility. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones---
Hi Marshall, It is interesting to me that you mention silver acetate. There is a member on this list selling a generator using two 1.5 volt batteries for a total of three volts as a Power Supply. I have been pondering how this could possibly work for some time. A careful reading of his instructions for use on his website shows that he instructs the users to clean the rods before using with vinegar and for them to be wet with the vinegar when they are inserted into the distilled water. Could this explain the use of only three volts? Isn't silver acetate used as an insecticide? Best regards, Arnold On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.comwrote: Indi wrote: On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 12:16:18PM -0600, Norton, Steve wrote: For what it is worth Dynamite Solace claims to be Pure Colloidal Silver (200 ppm) in a base of distilled water and electrolytes.. No other info. - Steve N Ah, electrolytes -- silver chloride, probably. That might give one the blues... Cheers, indi Couldn't have been silver chloride at 200 ppm. Silver chloride only has a solubility of around 0.8 ppm. More likely silver citrate, silver acetate, or silver nitrate which all have good solubility. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones---
vinegar is an electrolyte. So, leaving a bit on the silver rods actually provides a little electrolyte to get the process started. Dave Brown Green Bay, WI At 08:58 PM 12/26/2008, you wrote: Hi Marshall, It is interesting to me that you mention silver acetate. There is a member on this list selling a generator using two 1.5 volt batteries for a total of three volts as a Power Supply. I have been pondering how this could possibly work for some time. A careful reading of his instructions for use on his website shows that he instructs the users to clean the rods before using with vinegar and for them to be wet with the vinegar when they are inserted into the distilled water. Could this explain the use of only three volts? Isn't silver acetate used as an insecticide? Best regards, Arnold -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones---
Hi mike,
http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htmmhtml:{07B339EE-C45C-48A7-A01D-012C2E73FA1D}mid://0003/!x-usc:http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm
http://www.atlasnova.com/ColloidalSilverStarterKit.htmmhtml:{07B339EE-C45C-48A7-A01D-012C2E73FA1D}mid://0003/!x-usc:http://www.atlasnova.com/ColloidalSilverStarterKit.htm
I was thinking about replying to her post but I just didn't know what to
say. As usual, you have done a better job of this than I could do. I'm
having trouble understanding the whole situation. She first mentions some
200 PPM product from the dynamite company called solace. I have trouble
getting past that. She then puts some of this into a quart of distilled
water, supposedly to come up with five PPM. She only gets a red line after
she shakes this concoction. Those must be some humongous size particles.
She even said that they fell to the bottom so she must be able to actually
see them. Now if she made some using the setup that she bought from me I
don't think shaking it would have any effect even in the case of
overcooking, as long as it was properly decanted. I purposely set up the
kit and the illustrated explanation of its use so that users could , if they
wished, make a dark yellow colloidal silver. In years gone by, we would
have regarded this as premium stuff. We have since learned better. But
even the yellow stuff would take an awful lot of shaking before it would
actually settle out. The current involved in the setup is one milliamp,
which is really far too much for a 4 inch piece of wire and quite a bit of
staff will collect on the cathode. Most of the people and who have
purchased this Starter kit and have then graduated to the 1 gallon per day
set up that adheres to the rule of 100 micro amps per square inch. It never
turns yellow but will get stronger the longer time you give it up to 24
hours. Here is a link explaining that.
http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=322679mhtml:{07B339EE-C45C-48A7-A01D-012C2E73FA1D}mid://0003/!x-usc:http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=322679
Best Regards,
Arnold
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 4:27 PM, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote:
I just wanted to bump this to see if anybody has any other thoughts for
Lois...
Lois,
Welcome to the group!
If you have particles that are settling out, then you're definitely
dealing with something that's not what we've come to consider best.
It's not going to do you any serious harm to use what you have, but I'd
be very concerned about that 200ppm stuff long-term.
As for the product of your generator: I'm not familiar with Abe's
generator setup, but it sounds like he uses series resistors to limit
the current, right? How long does a batch take to make, and what size
batch is it?
Are there fuzzy deposits on one or both electrodes when you're
finished, and do you mix these in? If so, that could be the source of
your settling. General good practice is to remove the electrodes from
the water carefully to avoid dislodging any such deposits and letting
any that do get shaken loose settle.
So, short answer, let it settle out and decant the rest, which should
be predominatly ionic and *small* particle, and safer to use long term.
Any other thoughts, folks? Abe, wanna give us some details of your
generator design so we can comment intelligently about it? grin
Thanks,
Mike D.
I bought some 200ppm from the dynamite co. They call theirs solace. I
mixed 1-half tsp. in distilled h2o to come up with 5ppm. I did about a
quart. It was about 2- 3 weeks ago. {kept in a dark brown bottle in a
cool room in the dark } Just got a bottle out and find that the laser
line is weak---if I turn the bottle a few times the line is dark red.
My question is---Is this safe to use internally or are the silver
particles too large?? { they fell to the bottom.} I have only been
learning about silver and it's uses for a short time have so very much
to learn.
I also got a generator set up from abelandaltasnove.com which
uses 4
9V batteries, a meter with a 33K resistor two 4 9's 4 inch silver
wires. We
made 1 batch, last week. I have noticed that the same thing is
happening , a
light line and then dark when it is mixed..} What did I do wrong,???
Thanks for any help you can give===Lois
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Re: CS(LL) Hi,A silver ?? for the wise ones---
I just wanted to bump this to see if anybody has any other thoughts for
Lois...
Lois,
Welcome to the group!
If you have particles that are settling out, then you're definitely
dealing with something that's not what we've come to consider best.
It's not going to do you any serious harm to use what you have, but I'd
be very concerned about that 200ppm stuff long-term.
As for the product of your generator: I'm not familiar with Abe's
generator setup, but it sounds like he uses series resistors to limit
the current, right? How long does a batch take to make, and what size
batch is it?
Are there fuzzy deposits on one or both electrodes when you're
finished, and do you mix these in? If so, that could be the source of
your settling. General good practice is to remove the electrodes from
the water carefully to avoid dislodging any such deposits and letting
any that do get shaken loose settle.
So, short answer, let it settle out and decant the rest, which should
be predominatly ionic and *small* particle, and safer to use long term.
Any other thoughts, folks? Abe, wanna give us some details of your
generator design so we can comment intelligently about it? grin
Thanks,
Mike D.
I bought some 200ppm from the dynamite co. They call theirs solace. I
mixed 1-half tsp. in distilled h2o to come up with 5ppm. I did about a
quart. It was about 2- 3 weeks ago. {kept in a dark brown bottle in a
cool room in the dark } Just got a bottle out and find that the laser
line is weak---if I turn the bottle a few times the line is dark red.
My question is---Is this safe to use internally or are the silver
particles too large?? { they fell to the bottom.} I have only been
learning about silver and it's uses for a short time have so very much
to learn.
I also got a generator set up from abelandaltasnove.com which
uses 4
9V batteries, a meter with a 33K resistor two 4 9's 4 inch silver
wires. We
made 1 batch, last week. I have noticed that the same thing is
happening , a
light line and then dark when it is mixed..} What did I do wrong,???
Thanks for any help you can give===Lois
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