Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best.
I'm sure many members would be glad to hear details about the merits of the Colloid Master.Could you provide some? What makes it better than others, in your view? Also, have you used the distiller the company offers in a package deal? On Monday, Jun 29, 2009, at 01:59 Asia/Tokyo, Tel Tofflemire wrote: Oh no you don't, I have see, used, tested, sent back several of the so called top CS makers including the over rated Silver Puppy. I have been at this for over 40 years. My Dad and Grandfather long before that. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. --- On Sun, 6/28/09, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: From: Dee Fitzpatrick Subject: Re: CS>Am I on the wrong list? To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 2:50 AM I think that you should say that this is just your opinion Tel, because there are others which are just as good, so that would be misleading. In my opinion, the one I have is the best, and I'm sure there are others with other makes who think theirs are the best too. Dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best.
http://www.wishgranted.com This is their site, check it out, it is really a good deal now on sale for $129.00 Reg $149.00Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. I'm sure many members would be glad to hear details about the merits of the Colloid Master.Could you provide some? What makes it better than others, in your view? Also, have you used the distiller the company offers in a package deal? List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best.
I didn't see a distiller offered. Also, how much silver comes with the unit? Just checking on several as I have one now but not sure I make really good cs. My daughter got some blue moons and I did just a little but was not taking as much as she. thanks, Leslie - Original Message - From: Tel Tofflemire To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:28 AM Subject: Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best. http://www.wishgranted.com This is their site, check it out, it is really a good deal now on sale for $129.00 Reg $149.00 Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. I'm sure many members would be glad to hear details about the merits of the Colloid Master.Could you provide some? What makes it better than others, in your view? Also, have you used the distiller the company offers in a package deal? List maintainer: Mike Devour -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.94/2208 - Release Date: 06/29/09 05:54:00
Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best.
They send you 2 flat strips of .999 fine Silver Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. --- On Mon, 6/29/09, Leslie wrote: From: Leslie Subject: Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 11:54 PM I didn't see a distiller offered. Also, how much silver comes with the unit? Just checking on several as I have one now but not sure I make really good cs. My daughter got some blue moons and I did just a little but was not taking as much as she. thanks, Leslie - Original Message - From: Tel Tofflemire To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:28 AM Subject: Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best. http://www.wishgranted.com This is their site, check it out, it is really a good deal now on sale for $129.00 Reg $149.00Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. I'm sure many members would be glad to hear details about the merits of the Colloid Master. Could you provide some? What makes it better than others, in your view? Also, have you used the distiller the company offers in a package deal? List maintainer: Mike Devour No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.94/2208 - Release Date: 06/29/09 05:54:00
RE: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best.
Hi there, What makes you say you're...quote: "not sure I make really good CS"? and how do you personally determine what is good CS? Perhaps if I could be so bold as to ask one more question...were/are any form of supplements taken in conjunction with CS? N. From: leslie1...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best. Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:54:30 -0500 I didn't see a distiller offered. Also, how much silver comes with the unit? Just checking on several as I have one now but not sure I make really good cs. My daughter got some blue moons and I did just a little but was not taking as much as she. thanks, Leslie - Original Message - From: Tel Tofflemire To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:28 AM Subject: Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best. http://www.wishgranted.com This is their site, check it out, it is really a good deal now on sale for $129.00 Reg $149.00Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. I'm sure many members would be glad to hear details about the merits of the Colloid Master.Could you provide some? What makes it better than others, in your view? Also, have you used the distiller the company offers in a package deal? List maintainer: Mike Devour No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.94/2208 - Release Date: 06/29/09 05:54:00 _ Looking for a place to rent, share or buy this winter? Find your next place with Ninemsn property http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Edomain%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Fs%5Fcid%3DFDMedia%3ANineMSN%5FHotmail%5FTagline&_t=774152450&_r=Domain_tagline&_m=EXT
Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best.
I went to the wishgranted site to see what this was all about. Here are my observations. The designers of this unit are to be applauded for recognizing the fact that current must be limited to less than 100 micro amps per square inch of surface area of silver. This was probably the reason they have chosen to use 28 gauge flat sheet instead of round wire. This gives them a much increased surface area for the amount of silver used. I calculate that the silver supplied with the generator is 0.342 ounces. This is roughly the same amount that is supplied with most generators in this price range and it is the equivalent in weight of two pieces of 12 gauge silver wire of 6 inches in length. The first few batches will show evidence of accelerated wear at the square corners as sharp points have a greater tendency to release ions, but this effect should not last past the first few batches. All so-called "fully automatic" units are designed by accepting a compromise. They are all designed to shut off the process when a certain cell voltage is achieved. The voltage between the two electrodes will steadily decrease as the resistance of the cell decreases. The resistance of the cell will decrease or the conductivity will increase with the number of silver ions that are in solution. In terms of conductivity this will equal the reading on a proper conductivity meter of MicroSiemens. In this case, a potentiometers is used two pick a certain voltage and the cell voltage is monitored until it equals the potentiometers voltage. This would be necessary with this unit as they have no control over the spacing of the electrodes, which directly influences the cell voltage versus the PPM. They have no facility for reversing the polarity of the unit. This means that at least half, possibly more depending on electrode spacing, of the silver will be wasted. With spacing this close, most of the silver ions will make it to the cathode and collect on it. When enough of them agglomerate they will fall to the bottom of the container. This is actually mentioned in the item's description. The silverpuppy, in contrast, periodically reverses the polarity to limit this effect and also provides a mechanism for stirring. If anyone is interested in really learning how to properly make colloidal silver here is a link to some posts on a forum that is populated by a highly critical people. http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=371376 I have taken the approach of simply limiting the current amount and increasing the spacing between electrodes to the point where the generator can simply be left alone for 24 HRS. You need a Multimeter and a laser pointer, which I consider essential, to ascertain whether or not you've made anything at all. You will be able to reliably create any clear solution at a strength of 15 to 20 PPM that will remain stable in a clear glass container. - Original Message - From: Tel Tofflemire To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 10:28 PM Subject: Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best. http://www.wishgranted.com This is their site, check it out, it is really a good deal now on sale for $129.00 Reg $149.00 Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. I'm sure many members would be glad to hear details about the merits of the Colloid Master.Could you provide some? What makes it better than others, in your view? Also, have you used the distiller the company offers in a package deal? List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best.
You are correct, MaryAnn, my bad. "The Colloid Master allows the modulated current to pass in one direction to just the optimal amount of time that is needed to allow silver to disperse without too strong an action on the electrodes, then the current reverses, in effect using electromagnetism to push the particles away from the electrodes and allows them to disperse into the water. This describes one cycle, which lasts about one minute and is a built-in automatic feature." I'm afraid that when my mind encounters a statement such as "in effect using electromagnetism to push the particles away", my mind simply erases the entire paragraph. There are other parts of the sales pitch that I graciously chose to ignore involving solar events and ionization of the air being blamed for the unpredictability of their results, that I blanked out. It is hard to criticize statements such as these because for all I know, they might actually believe them. I can see some "cut and paste" activity from Frank Key's site (and Frank has his own axes to grind), which try to obfuscate the fact that particle size can be determined by the color. This is done by emphasizing the effect of some factor which in reality is orders of magnitude smaller than that of particle size. This is the tactic of "confusion to the enemy" which is in this case, the customer. The origin of this thread was Tel comparing this unit to the silverpuppy, which has a very large and loyal band of users, for good reason. Ken does not BS his customers. I can read through his site without triggering my gag reflex. If a person is willing to turn on a multimeter and push the button of a laser pointer they can, for the same money, get almost 10 times the 9997 (Not 999) silver, a proper power supply (not a wall wart), a high quality laser pointer, a circuit board with a slider type potentiometer and one gallon jar. This will produce a gallon a day of 15 to 20 PPM for years. http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=371376
Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best.
are you serious? On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:12 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: Sent to wrong addy From: Norton, Steve To: 'abela...@comcast.net' Sent: Tue Jun 30 21:37:16 2009 Subject: Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best. To make really good CS you need to track the location, extent, and intensity of aurora borealis as well. If you have an automated CS generator and it does not take the aurora borealis into account it is no better than a manual unit. - Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best.
Just kidding :-) - Original Message - From: Clayton Family To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed Jul 01 19:30:39 2009 Subject: Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best. are you serious? On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:12 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: > Sent to wrong addy > > From: Norton, Steve > To: 'abela...@comcast.net' > Sent: Tue Jun 30 21:37:16 2009 > Subject: Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best. > > To make really good CS you need to track the location, extent, and > intensity of aurora borealis as well. If you have an automated CS > generator and it does not take the aurora borealis into account it is > no better than a manual unit. > - Steve N > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best.
thought so ;-) On Jul 1, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: Just kidding :-) - Original Message - From: Clayton Family To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed Jul 01 19:30:39 2009 Subject: Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best. are you serious? On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:12 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: > Sent to wrong addy > > From: Norton, Steve > To: 'abela...@comcast.net' > Sent: Tue Jun 30 21:37:16 2009 > Subject: Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best. > > To make really good CS you need to track the location, extent, and > intensity of aurora borealis as well. If you have an automated CS > generator and it does not take the aurora borealis into account it is > no better than a manual unit. > - Steve N > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best.
Oh no you don't, I have see, used, tested, sent back several of the so called top CS makers including the over rated Silver Puppy. I have been at this for over 40 years. My Dad and Grandfather long before that. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. --- On Sun, 6/28/09, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: From: Dee Fitzpatrick Subject: Re: CS>Am I on the wrong list? To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 2:50 AM I think that you should say that this is just your opinion Tel, because there are others which are just as good, so that would be misleading. In my opinion, the one I have is the best, and I'm sure there are others with other makes who think theirs are the best too. Dee ---Original Message--- From: Tel Tofflemire Date: 27/06/2009 20:31:55 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Am I on the wrong list? Enjoy your new good health toy, and contact me if you need any questions answered. I got my first one 10 years ago, and bought a few real cheap ones to try out, However, nothing compares to a Colloidal master. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. http://www.quailwoodherbal.com --- On Wed, 6/24/09, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: From: Dee Fitzpatrick Subject: Re: CS>Am I on the wrong list? To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 2:57 AM I---Original Message--- From: Golden Aldi Date: 23/06/2009 20:34:23 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Am I on the wrong list? I
Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best.
Info on Colloid Master for those interested = http://www.wishgranted.com/Colloidal_Silver_Maker_777_AC.html Smitty On 6/28/09, Tel Tofflemire wrote: > Oh no you don't, I have see, used, tested, sent back several of the so > called top CS makers including the over rated Silver Puppy. I have been at > this for over 40 years. My Dad and Grandfather long before that. > > Tel Tofflemire > Dewey, AZ. > > --- On Sun, 6/28/09, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: > > From: Dee Fitzpatrick > Subject: Re: CS>Am I on the wrong list? > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 2:50 AM > > > > I think that you should say that this is just your opinion Tel, because > there are others which are just as good, so that would be misleading. In my > opinion, the one I have is the best, and I'm sure there are others with > other makes who think theirs are the best too. Dee > > > ---Original Message--- > > > From: Tel Tofflemire > Date: 27/06/2009 20:31:55 > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Am I on the wrong list? > > > > > Enjoy your new good health toy, and contact me if you need any questions > answered. I got my first one 10 years ago, and bought a few real cheap ones > to try out, However, nothing compares to a Colloidal master. > Tel Tofflemire > Dewey, AZ. > http://www.quailwoodherbal.com > > --- On Wed, 6/24/09, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > From: Dee Fitzpatrick > Subject: Re: CS>Am I on the wrong list? > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Date: Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 2:57 AM > > > > > I---Original Message--- > > > > From: Golden Aldi > Date: 23/06/2009 20:34:23 > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Am I on the wrong list? > > I > > > > > > > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best.
Hi Tel, I haven't tested any of the other generators, but from what I've researched, the colloidal Master appealed to me most. I also like the way it looks, nice and neat, and its a good idea to test the water purity beforehand, which is easily done with the Colloidal Master. Another plus is that all you do is set the dial on the front to the desired ppm, switch on the switch and press the button. It shuts off automatically, when the water reaches the desired ppm setting. Easy peasy. Its all I need, except maybe a tester for the ppm in the water. Aldona On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Tel Tofflemire wrote: > Oh no you don't, I have see, used, tested, sent back several of the so > called top CS makers including the over rated Silver Puppy. I have been at > this for over 40 years. My Dad and Grandfather long before that. > > Tel Tofflemire > Dewey, AZ.
Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best.
I know that this is nit-picky -- but it isn't a Colloidal Master -- it's a Colloid Master. I have one, I like it, and it just grinds me to see it mis-identified over and over again. OK -- I said it was nit-pickyMA From: Golden Aldi To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 5:53:30 PM Subject: Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best. Hi Tel, I haven't tested any of the other generators, but from what I've researched, the colloidal Master appealed to me most. I also like the way it looks, nice and neat, and its a good idea to test the water purity beforehand, which is easily done with the Colloidal Master. Another plus is that all you do is set the dial on the front to the desired ppm, switch on the switch and press the button. It shuts off automatically, when the water reaches the desired ppm setting. Easy peasy. Its all I need, except maybe a tester for the ppm in the water. Aldona On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Tel Tofflemire wrote: Oh no you don't, I have see, used, tested, sent back several of the so called top CS makers including the over rated Silver Puppy. I have been at this for over 40 years. My Dad and Grandfather long before that. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ.
Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best.
Big deal... sorry if it bothered you that much. If you feel like nit-picking, then go ahead, I've got a delete button :-) Aldi On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:48 AM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: > I know that this is nit-picky -- but it isn't a Colloid*al* Master -- it's > a Colloid Master. I have one, I like it, and it just grinds me to see it > mis-identified over and over again. OK -- I *said* it was > nit-pickyMA > > -- > *From:* Golden Aldi > *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Sunday, June 28, 2009 5:53:30 PM > *Subject:* Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best. > > Hi Tel, > I haven't tested any of the other generators, but from what I've > researched, the colloidal Master appealed to me most. I also like the way it > looks, nice and neat, and its a good idea to test the water purity > beforehand, which is easily done with the Colloidal Master. Another plus is > that all you do is set the dial on the front to the desired ppm, switch on > the switch and press the button. It shuts off automatically, when the water > reaches the desired ppm setting. Easy peasy. Its all I need, except maybe a > tester for the ppm in the water. > Aldona > > On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Tel Tofflemire wrote: > >> Oh no you don't, I have see, used, tested, sent back several of the so >> called top CS makers including the over rated Silver Puppy. I have been at >> this for over 40 years. My Dad and Grandfather long before that. >> >> Tel Tofflemire >> Dewey, AZ. > >
Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best.
Oh no I don't what? You may have, but it is still just your experience and opinion. I and others are more than pleased with our machines thank you very much! dee ---Original Message--- From: Tel Tofflemire Date: 28/06/2009 18:00:03 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best. Oh no you don't, I have see, used, tested, sent back several of the so called top CS makers including the over rated Silver Puppy. I have been at this for over 40 years. My Dad and Grandfather long before that. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. --- On Sun, 6/28/09, Dee Fitzpatrick wrote: <>
Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best.
No need to be nasty Aldi -- I apologized in advance!! MA From: Golden Aldi To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 1:31:40 AM Subject: Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best. Big deal... sorry if it bothered you that much. If you feel like nit-picking, then go ahead, I've got a delete button :-) Aldi On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:48 AM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: I know that this is nit-picky -- but it isn't a Colloidal Master -- it's a Colloid Master. I have one, I like it, and it just grinds me to see it mis-identified over and over again. OK -- I said it was nit-pickyMA From: Golden Aldi To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 5:53:30 PM Subject: Re: CS> I stand by the Colloidal Master as the Best. Hi Tel, I haven't tested any of the other generators, but from what I've researched, the colloidal Master appealed to me most. I also like the way it looks, nice and neat, and its a good idea to test the water purity beforehand, which is easily done with the Colloidal Master. Another plus is that all you do is set the dial on the front to the desired ppm, switch on the switch and press the button. It shuts off automatically, when the water reaches the desired ppm setting. Easy peasy. Its all I need, except maybe a tester for the ppm in the water. Aldona On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Tel Tofflemire wrote: Oh no you don't, I have see, used, tested, sent back several of the so called top CS makers including the over rated Silver Puppy. I have been at this for over 40 years. My Dad and Grandfather long before that. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ.
