Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy - Pauling Re: Leo
True. But I suspect most people believe they are always in The Mean. Dangerous assumption, regardless of actuarial charts. stuff At 10:08 AM 10/28/2005, you wrote: There are always deviations from the mean. That is why insurance companies use accrual charts. Marshall Stuff wrote: > My wife was made a widow by her late husband who had to have sex > every nite and did. > > He died at age 48. Guess where he was. > > So much for studies. > > stuff > > At 11:24 AM 10/27/2005, you wrote: > > >It is not the only cause, but lack of sex can increase the odds. In > >fact on TV a few weeks ago, they claimed that having sex once a day > >for the rest of you life would add something like 10 years to your > >life. Of course part of that could the confusion of cause and > >effect, if you are unhealthy, then sex becomes difficult or impossible. > > > >Marshall > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005 > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy - Pauling Re: Leo
There are always deviations from the mean. That is why insurance companies use accrual charts. Marshall Stuff wrote: > My wife was made a widow by her late husband who had to have sex > every nite and did. > > He died at age 48. Guess where he was. > > So much for studies. > > stuff > > At 11:24 AM 10/27/2005, you wrote: > > >It is not the only cause, but lack of sex can increase the odds. In > >fact on TV a few weeks ago, they claimed that having sex once a day > >for the rest of you life would add something like 10 years to your > >life. Of course part of that could the confusion of cause and > >effect, if you are unhealthy, then sex becomes difficult or impossible. > > > >Marshall > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005 > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy - Pauling Last Interview etc
Fascinating, thanks. I have been taking l2,000 mg since I was 20, and I am 59 now. I just may jack it up. My dogs all take l000 mg at 6 months and on, and 500 mg starting at 8 weeks. Gets darn expensive! Susie - Original Message - From: "Rowena" To: Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:02 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy - Pauling Last Interview etc In his day, Pauling created a good deal of controversy by fulfilling his perceived obligation to apply scientific knowledge to public safety. He recalled an early manifestation of government suspicion: "A couple of days after my talk, there was a man in my office from the FBI saying, 'Who told you how much plutonium there is in an atomic bomb?' And I said, 'Nobody told me. I figured it out.'" . Some go so far as to say that vitamin C is carcinogenic in large quantities, and that Pauling has no truly scientific basis for his advocacy. Pauling, in turn, contended that his only opponents were doctors whose livelihood depended on pharmaceutical sales in "the sickness industry"-Pauling's name for medicine in the United States. Linus Pauling was diagnosed with cancer in 1991, and died August 19, 1994, at his ranch in Big Sur, California. In addition to work that has permanently improved the fields of chemistry, biochemistry, and peace activism, he leaves a simple statement of resounding encouragement to his admirers: "You can contribute, and you can't be sure how great your contribution is, but you can contribute, so do it." http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/unitarians/pauling.html PAULING: Oh yes! I think that the public as a whole responded better to the statements that Cameron and I or Hoffer and I were making than the medical establishment. Ten years ago people were telling me, "I told my doctor I was taking a gram of vitamin C per day or three grams of vitamin C per day and he said 'You mustn't do that, that'll kill you, those vitamins are poisonous.'" Five years ago people began reporting to me, "I told the doctor I was taking several grams of vitamin C per day and he said, 'Well, that won't hurt you. Go ahead if you want to. It probably won't do any good. But if you want to take it, go ahead.'" Today, of course, doctors are apt to say "That's fine, perhaps it is doing good for you," especially when the patient shows up in much better shape than the doctor had expected and says, "I think the reason is high doses of vitamin C and vitamin E and so on that I've been taking." Doctors tend to agree with that point of view now. I don't know to what extent doctors take the initiative in prescribing vitamins for their seriously ill patients. But I think many of them are at least open to it now. I think it's likely that the future generations will think of me as the "vitamin C man." And of course I don't think of myself in that way. For 20 years I've just been repeating statements that Stone, and to some extent Szent-Gyorgyi himself, had made about the great value of high doses of vitamin C and other vitamins. But Szent-Gyorgyi, who discovered vitamin C and first isolated it in 1927, was not a very vigorous advocate of megavitamins. Hoffer and Humphrey Osmond, M.D., much later became the principal advocates of high doses of vitamin C and niacin for schizophrenic patients--doses that were 500 or 1,000 times as great as the RDA.12 And I was much impressed by what Hoffer and Osmond wrote, as well as by Stone's analysis of the situation with respect to vitamin C. http://members.aol.com/realmedia/pauling.html Pauling's last interview It is interesting to speculate what further discoveries Pauling might have made had he not been deflected from his goals by shortsighted, self-serving, mercenary, or jealous opponents. He never, however, became embittered. In one of his last interviews (April 1, 1994), in response to our question as to how he was able to retain his positive outlook on life, he told us, "I suppose it's partially genetic ... actually the result of my having been pretty successful in my own career, and, of course, my feeling that we ought to be smart enough, we human beings, to solve our problems, whatever they are." http://chemeducator.org/bibs/0004005/00040332.htm Finally, after he had said the Mayo Clinic has shown that vitamin C has no value in the treatment of cancer, I said that Mayo Clinic study was a fraud. And I can explain just how. The Mayo Clinic people didn't follow the procedure that Dr. Ewan Cameron used at all. They say that they did, but they didn't. We know that they didn't. So you can't rely on that. Finally, he became interested. .. And I have gotten hundreds of letters from people, including physicians
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy - Pauling Re: Leo
My wife was made a widow by her late husband who had to have sex every nite and did. He died at age 48. Guess where he was. So much for studies. stuff At 11:24 AM 10/27/2005, you wrote: It is not the only cause, but lack of sex can increase the odds. In fact on TV a few weeks ago, they claimed that having sex once a day for the rest of you life would add something like 10 years to your life. Of course part of that could the confusion of cause and effect, if you are unhealthy, then sex becomes difficult or impossible. Marshall -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: 10/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy - Pauling
Hmm, we are getting pretty far off topic here, but from a personal experience a death certificate that lists pneumonia as cause of death may not always be quite accurate, except literally, as pneumonia developed as the person was already dying. My own mother died of COPD and the resultand enlarged heart plus Binswanger's disease, and was in organ failure on her last day, kidneys shut down, and so forth. Yet her death certificate says she died of pneumonia. In the end most deaths could probably be called heart failure or pneumonia. Your organs fail, the lungs fill up, your heart stops, and you're dead, alright. What made you sick enough for your kidneys to fail and heart to stop may never be stated in the certificate. But geez, folks if Pauling made it to 94, he did pretty damned good. sol Leo wrote: Okay, list, who is right here? Did he die of prostate cancer (source pls) or pneumonia (again source pls)? Leo Dave wrote: You are. He died of pneumonia. Guess he didn't use CS. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy - Pauling
Okay, list, who is right here? Did he die of prostate cancer (source pls) or pneumonia (again source pls)? Leo Dave wrote: You are. He died of pneumonia. Guess he didn't use CS. Dave Leo wrote: Yeah, he still died of cancer, as did his wife. Am I wrong here? Leo Shenanigans wrote: Linus Pauling. Very easy to do. He frequently used up to l00 grams a day, IV. Susie - Original Message - From: "Lea Ann" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy Hi Susie, How did you learn this information? Do you think it would be possible to learn how to do Vitamin C IV therapy for yourself? Lea Ann - Original Message - From: "Shenanigans" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy You can make your own. Just remember that l level teaspoon of salt in a pint of water =0.9% saline, the base for many IV fluids. You can boil this in the microwave. I would put another jar,say a small babyfood jar filled with water in the microwave too, boil both l0 minutes. What ever evaporates from the jar with the salt won't matter, or you can put some from the babyfood jar over into it. When the water is mostly cool, pour a small amount, maybe l/4 cup, of the saline water into the sterilized babyfood jar. Add the amount of C you want, let it dissolve. Now you have sterile IV fluid with C. Susie - Original Message - From: "hotmail angelznest" To: Cc: "gmail angelznest" Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:55 AM Subject: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/150 - Release Date: 10/27/2005
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy Re Le Ann Susie
True but using peripherals I have to change it every few days anyway. This way I don't get lazy. And he already takes anti-coagulants. Also some long term catheters break down under repeated heparin dosing; I think you have to be aware of what catheter you have and the patient. To be honest with you we have never had a problem with our doctors regarding alternative treatments. If I have needed something, I explained what I was trying and I asked them for help and I got it with instructions. Find a doctor who will work with you if possible. Harper In a message dated 10/27/2005 9:26:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, shenaniganshar...@direcway.com writes: Heparin given as injection is l0,000 units per CC/ML. Heparin flush is l00 units. Insignificant. Susie - Original Message - From: siriu...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:42 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy Re Le Ann It is legal. I have been giving my husband IVs for 3 years now sometimes 4 a day. He has MRSA and osteomylitis. I got my equipment from a visiting nurse. Heparin is Dangerous and I just use a saline flush. If the needle coagulates I just throw it out and have a nurse put in a new "peripheral". Use new needless syringes EACH time and flush before and after. At least 1 full syringe before and after Harper In a message dated 10/26/2005 6:50:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lsav...@cfl.rr.com writes: How do you get the bag, the line, the "hep-lock" (sp?). How do you learn how to put in the needle? etc. I was thinking about asking a friend of mine who is a paramedic and I have a sister-in-law who is a nurse but I'm afraid of the, "what kind of crazy idea is that?" from them because they are medical model people. Is it legal to give yourself (or a family member) an IV? Thanks in advance... Lea Ann - Original Message - From: "Shenanigans" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:41 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy > Linus Pauling. Very easy to do. He frequently used up to l00 grams a day, > IV. Susie > - Original Message - > From: "Lea Ann" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy > > >> Hi Susie, >> >> How did you learn this information? Do you think it would be possible to >> learn how to do Vitamin C IV therapy for yourself? >> >> Lea Ann >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Shenanigans" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:34 AM >> Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy >> >> >>> You can make your own. Just remember that l level teaspoon of salt in a >>> pint of water =0.9% saline, the base for many IV fluids. You can boil >>> this in the microwave. I would put another jar,say a small babyfood jar >>> filled with water in the microwave too, boil both l0 minutes. What ever >>> evaporates from the jar with the salt won't matter, or you can put some >>> from the babyfood jar over into it. When the water is mostly cool, pour >>> a small amount, maybe l/4 cup, of the saline water into the sterilized >>> babyfood jar. Add the amount of C you want, let it dissolve. Now you >>> have sterile IV fluid with C. Susie >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "hotmail angelznest" >>> To: >>> Cc: "gmail angelznest" >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:55 AM >>> Subject: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy - Pauling Re: Leo
It is not the only cause, but lack of sex can increase the odds. In fact on TV a few weeks ago, they claimed that having sex once a day for the rest of you life would add something like 10 years to your life. Of course part of that could the confusion of cause and effect, if you are unhealthy, then sex becomes difficult or impossible. Marshall Shenanigans wrote: > Anybody happen to know the cause of prostate cancer??? Hint, hint, it > is very common in priests and men who are old and/or their wives have > died. Susie > > - Original Message - > From: siriu...@aol.com > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:10 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy - Pauling Re: Leo >Excellent point. There is some thinking that cancer is a > natural occurrence gone wild and that it is not if we will > al get cancer but when. If something does not get you > earlier you will get cancer. Pauling died of Prostate cancer > at 93. His first wife died of cancer which sent him on the > quest for a cure and into his Vitamin C studies. No one can > say how long Pauling had prostate cancer and if the Vitamin > C prolonged his life-93 is well past the average life > expectancy of US males. Harper In a message dated 10/27/2005 > 2:38:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lellis4...@sbcglobal.net > writes: > > First of all, Linus Pauling was 93 when he died - > at some point, we all have to die of something, > don't we? Secondly, I never heard before that he > or his wife died of cancer. What is your source > for that info? I did a search, but couldn't find > it stated anywhere that he died of cancer. Linda > > Leo wrote: > >Yeah, he still died of cancer, as did >his wife. Am I wrong here? >Leo >- >Shenanigans wrote: > > > Linus Pauling. Very easy to do. He > > frequently used up to l00 grams a day, > > IV. Susie > > - Original Message - From: > > "Lea Ann" mailto:lsav...@cfl.rr.com > > To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com > > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:07 > > PM > > Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C > > Therapy > > > > > > > > > Hi Susie, > > > > > > How did you learn this information? > > > Do you think it would be possible to > > > learn how to do Vitamin C IV therapy > > > for yourself? > > > > > > Lea Ann > > > > > > - Original Message ----- From: > > > "Shenanigans" > > > mailto:shenaniganshar...@direcway.com > > > > > > To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 > > > 9:34 AM > > > Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C > > > Therapy > > > > > > > > > > > >> You can make your own. Just > > >> remember that l level teaspoon of > > >> salt in a pint of water =0.9% > > >> saline, the base for many IV > > >> fluids. You can boil this in the > > >> microwave. I would put another > > >> jar,say a small babyfood jar filled > > >> with water in the microwave too, > > >> boil both l0 minutes. What ever > > >> evaporates from the jar with the > > >> salt won't matter, or you can put > > >> some from the babyfood jar over > > >> into it. When the water is mostly > > >> cool, pour a small amount, maybe > > >> l/4 cup, of the saline water into > > >> the sterilized babyfood jar. Add > > >> the amount of C you want, let it > > >> dissolve. Now you have sterile IV > &
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy Re Le Ann
Heparin given as injection is l0,000 units per CC/ML. Heparin flush is l00
units. Insignificant. Susie
- Original Message -
From: siriu...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy Re Le Ann
It is legal. I have been giving my husband IVs for 3 years now sometimes 4 a
day. He has MRSA and osteomylitis. I got my equipment from a visiting nurse.
Heparin is Dangerous and I just use a saline flush. If the needle coagulates I
just throw it out and have a nurse put in a new "peripheral".
Use new needless syringes EACH time and flush before and after. At least 1
full syringe before and after
Harper
In a message dated 10/26/2005 6:50:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
lsav...@cfl.rr.com writes:
How do you get the bag, the line, the "hep-lock" (sp?). How do you learn
how to put in the needle? etc. I was thinking about asking a friend of
mine who is a paramedic and I have a sister-in-law who is a nurse but I'm
afraid of the, "what kind of crazy idea is that?" from them because they
are
medical model people.
Is it legal to give yourself (or a family member) an IV?
Thanks in advance...
Lea Ann
- Original Message -
From: "Shenanigans"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy
> Linus Pauling. Very easy to do. He frequently used up to l00 grams a day,
> IV. Susie
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lea Ann"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:07 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy
>
>
>> Hi Susie,
>>
>> How did you learn this information? Do you think it would be possible
to
>> learn how to do Vitamin C IV therapy for yourself?
>>
>> Lea Ann
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Shenanigans"
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy
>>
>>
>>> You can make your own. Just remember that l level teaspoon of salt in a
>>> pint of water =0.9% saline, the base for many IV fluids. You can boil
>>> this in the microwave. I would put another jar,say a small babyfood jar
>>> filled with water in the microwave too, boil both l0 minutes. What ever
>>> evaporates from the jar with the salt won't matter, or you can put some
>>> from the babyfood jar over into it. When the water is mostly cool, pour
>>> a small amount, maybe l/4 cup, of the saline water into the sterilized
>>> babyfood jar. Add the amount of C you want, let it dissolve. Now you
>>> have sterile IV fluid with C. Susie
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "hotmail angelznest"
>>> To:
>>> Cc: "gmail angelznest"
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:55 AM
>>> Subject: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy
>>
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Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy - Pauling Last Interview etc
In his day, Pauling created a good deal of controversy by fulfilling his perceived obligation to apply scientific knowledge to public safety. He recalled an early manifestation of government suspicion: "A couple of days after my talk, there was a man in my office from the FBI saying, 'Who told you how much plutonium there is in an atomic bomb?' And I said, 'Nobody told me. I figured it out.'" . Some go so far as to say that vitamin C is carcinogenic in large quantities, and that Pauling has no truly scientific basis for his advocacy. Pauling, in turn, contended that his only opponents were doctors whose livelihood depended on pharmaceutical sales in "the sickness industry"-Pauling's name for medicine in the United States. Linus Pauling was diagnosed with cancer in 1991, and died August 19, 1994, at his ranch in Big Sur, California. In addition to work that has permanently improved the fields of chemistry, biochemistry, and peace activism, he leaves a simple statement of resounding encouragement to his admirers: "You can contribute, and you can't be sure how great your contribution is, but you can contribute, so do it." http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/unitarians/pauling.html PAULING: Oh yes! I think that the public as a whole responded better to the statements that Cameron and I or Hoffer and I were making than the medical establishment. Ten years ago people were telling me, "I told my doctor I was taking a gram of vitamin C per day or three grams of vitamin C per day and he said 'You mustn't do that, that'll kill you, those vitamins are poisonous.'" Five years ago people began reporting to me, "I told the doctor I was taking several grams of vitamin C per day and he said, 'Well, that won't hurt you. Go ahead if you want to. It probably won't do any good. But if you want to take it, go ahead.'" Today, of course, doctors are apt to say "That's fine, perhaps it is doing good for you," especially when the patient shows up in much better shape than the doctor had expected and says, "I think the reason is high doses of vitamin C and vitamin E and so on that I've been taking." Doctors tend to agree with that point of view now. I don't know to what extent doctors take the initiative in prescribing vitamins for their seriously ill patients. But I think many of them are at least open to it now. I think it's likely that the future generations will think of me as the "vitamin C man." And of course I don't think of myself in that way. For 20 years I've just been repeating statements that Stone, and to some extent Szent-Gyorgyi himself, had made about the great value of high doses of vitamin C and other vitamins. But Szent-Gyorgyi, who discovered vitamin C and first isolated it in 1927, was not a very vigorous advocate of megavitamins. Hoffer and Humphrey Osmond, M.D., much later became the principal advocates of high doses of vitamin C and niacin for schizophrenic patients--doses that were 500 or 1,000 times as great as the RDA.12 And I was much impressed by what Hoffer and Osmond wrote, as well as by Stone's analysis of the situation with respect to vitamin C. http://members.aol.com/realmedia/pauling.html Pauling's last interview It is interesting to speculate what further discoveries Pauling might have made had he not been deflected from his goals by shortsighted, self-serving, mercenary, or jealous opponents. He never, however, became embittered. In one of his last interviews (April 1, 1994), in response to our question as to how he was able to retain his positive outlook on life, he told us, "I suppose it's partially genetic ... actually the result of my having been pretty successful in my own career, and, of course, my feeling that we ought to be smart enough, we human beings, to solve our problems, whatever they are." http://chemeducator.org/bibs/0004005/00040332.htm Finally, after he had said the Mayo Clinic has shown that vitamin C has no value in the treatment of cancer, I said that Mayo Clinic study was a fraud. And I can explain just how. The Mayo Clinic people didn't follow the procedure that Dr. Ewan Cameron used at all. They say that they did, but they didn't. We know that they didn't. So you can't rely on that. Finally, he became interested. .. And I have gotten hundreds of letters from people, including physicians, asking for more information about vitamin C for controlling cancer, but also sending information about how long they have been able to control their cancer by taking perhaps 36 grams a day, day after day. Or in the case of this one man, a chemist in San Jose working for IBM, taking 130 grams a day. I wasn't the first to say it either. Other people had been advocating vitamin C for controlling the common cold and cancer and other diseases back starting 50 years ago. I do feel satisfaction in thinking that I have been able to contribute to this, what I think is a great
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy - Pauling Re: Leo
Anybody happen to know the cause of prostate cancer??? Hint, hint, it is very
common in priests and men who are old and/or their wives have died. Susie
- Original Message -
From: siriu...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy - Pauling Re: Leo
Excellent point. There is some thinking that cancer is a natural occurrence
gone wild and that it is not if we will al get cancer but when. If something
does not get you earlier you will get cancer.
Pauling died of Prostate cancer at 93.
His first wife died of cancer which sent him on the quest for a cure and into
his Vitamin C studies.
No one can say how long Pauling had prostate cancer and if the Vitamin C
prolonged his life-93 is well past the average life expectancy of US males.
Harper
In a message dated 10/27/2005 2:38:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
lellis4...@sbcglobal.net writes:
First of all, Linus Pauling was 93 when he died - at some point, we all
have to die of something, don't we?
Secondly, I never heard before that he or his wife died of cancer. What is
your source for that info? I did a search, but couldn't find it stated
anywhere that he died of cancer.
Linda
Leo wrote:
Yeah, he still died of cancer, as did his wife. Am I wrong here?
Leo
--
Shenanigans wrote:
Linus Pauling. Very easy to do. He frequently used up to l00 grams a
day, IV. Susie
- Original Message - From: "Lea Ann" mailto:lsav...@cfl.rr.com
To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy
Hi Susie,
How did you learn this information? Do you think it would be
possible to learn how to do Vitamin C IV therapy for yourself?
Lea Ann
- Original Message - From: "Shenanigans"
mailto:shenaniganshar...@direcway.com
To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy
You can make your own. Just remember that l level teaspoon of salt
in a pint of water =0.9% saline, the base for many IV fluids. You can boil this
in the microwave. I would put another jar,say a small babyfood jar filled with
water in the microwave too, boil both l0 minutes. What ever evaporates from the
jar with the salt won't matter, or you can put some from the babyfood jar over
into it. When the water is mostly cool, pour a small amount, maybe l/4 cup, of
the saline water into the sterilized babyfood jar. Add the amount of C you
want, let it dissolve. Now you have sterile IV fluid with C. Susie
- Original Message - From: "hotmail angelznest"
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Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy - Pauling Re: Leo
Excellent point. There is some thinking that cancer is a natural occurrence gone wild and that it is not if we will al get cancer but when. If something does not get you earlier you will get cancer. Pauling died of Prostate cancer at 93. His first wife died of cancer which sent him on the quest for a cure and into his Vitamin C studies. No one can say how long Pauling had prostate cancer and if the Vitamin C prolonged his life-93 is well past the average life expectancy of US males. Harper In a message dated 10/27/2005 2:38:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lellis4...@sbcglobal.net writes: First of all, Linus Pauling was 93 when he died - at some point, we all have to die of something, don't we? Secondly, I never heard before that he or his wife died of cancer. What is your source for that info? I did a search, but couldn't find it stated anywhere that he died of cancer. Linda Leo wrote: Yeah, he still died of cancer, as did his wife. Am I wrong here? Leo Shenanigans wrote: Linus Pauling. Very easy to do. He frequently used up to l00 grams a day, IV. Susie - Original Message - From: "Lea Ann" mailto:lsav...@cfl.rr.com To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy Hi Susie, How did you learn this information? Do you think it would be possible to learn how to do Vitamin C IV therapy for yourself? Lea Ann - Original Message - From: "Shenanigans" mailto:shenaniganshar...@direcway.com To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy You can make your own. Just remember that l level teaspoon of salt in a pint of water =0.9% saline, the base for many IV fluids. You can boil this in the microwave. I would put another jar,say a small babyfood jar filled with water in the microwave too, boil both l0 minutes. What ever evaporates from the jar with the salt won't matter, or you can put some from the babyfood jar over into it. When the water is mostly cool, pour a small amount, maybe l/4 cup, of the saline water into the sterilized babyfood jar. Add the amount of C you want, let it dissolve. Now you have sterile IV fluid with C. Susie - Original Message - From: "hotmail angelznest" mailto:angelzn...@hotmail.com To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: "gmail angelznest" mailto:angelzn...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:55 AM Subject: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org/ To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy - Pauling
You are. He died of pneumonia. Guess he didn't use CS. Dave Leo wrote: Yeah, he still died of cancer, as did his wife. Am I wrong here? Leo Shenanigans wrote: Linus Pauling. Very easy to do. He frequently used up to l00 grams a day, IV. Susie - Original Message - From: "Lea Ann" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy Hi Susie, How did you learn this information? Do you think it would be possible to learn how to do Vitamin C IV therapy for yourself? Lea Ann - Original Message - From: "Shenanigans" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy You can make your own. Just remember that l level teaspoon of salt in a pint of water =0.9% saline, the base for many IV fluids. You can boil this in the microwave. I would put another jar,say a small babyfood jar filled with water in the microwave too, boil both l0 minutes. What ever evaporates from the jar with the salt won't matter, or you can put some from the babyfood jar over into it. When the water is mostly cool, pour a small amount, maybe l/4 cup, of the saline water into the sterilized babyfood jar. Add the amount of C you want, let it dissolve. Now you have sterile IV fluid with C. Susie - Original Message - From: "hotmail angelznest" To: Cc: "gmail angelznest" Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:55 AM Subject: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy - Pauling
First of all, Linus Pauling was 93 when he died - at some point, we all have to die of something, don't we? Secondly, I never heard before that he or his wife died of cancer. What is your source for that info? I did a search, but couldn't find it stated anywhere that he died of cancer. Linda Leo wrote: Yeah, he still died of cancer, as did his wife. Am I wrong here? Leo - Shenanigans wrote: Linus Pauling. Very easy to do. He frequently used up to l00 grams a day, IV. Susie - Original Message - From: "Lea Ann" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy Hi Susie, How did you learn this information? Do you think it would be possible to learn how to do Vitamin C IV therapy for yourself? Lea Ann - Original Message - From: "Shenanigans" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy You can make your own. Just remember that l level teaspoon of salt in a pint of water =0.9% saline, the base for many IV fluids. You can boil this in the microwave. I would put another jar,say a small babyfood jar filled with water in the microwave too, boil both l0 minutes. What ever evaporates from the jar with the salt won't matter, or you can put some from the babyfood jar over into it. When the water is mostly cool, pour a small amount, maybe l/4 cup, of the saline water into the sterilized babyfood jar. Add the amount of C you want, let it dissolve. Now you have sterile IV fluid with C. Susie - Original Message - From: "hotmail angelznest" To: Cc: "gmail angelznest" Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:55 AM Subject: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy - Pauling
Yeah, he still died of cancer, as did his wife. Am I wrong here? Leo Shenanigans wrote: Linus Pauling. Very easy to do. He frequently used up to l00 grams a day, IV. Susie - Original Message - From: "Lea Ann" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy Hi Susie, How did you learn this information? Do you think it would be possible to learn how to do Vitamin C IV therapy for yourself? Lea Ann - Original Message - From: "Shenanigans" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy You can make your own. Just remember that l level teaspoon of salt in a pint of water =0.9% saline, the base for many IV fluids. You can boil this in the microwave. I would put another jar,say a small babyfood jar filled with water in the microwave too, boil both l0 minutes. What ever evaporates from the jar with the salt won't matter, or you can put some from the babyfood jar over into it. When the water is mostly cool, pour a small amount, maybe l/4 cup, of the saline water into the sterilized babyfood jar. Add the amount of C you want, let it dissolve. Now you have sterile IV fluid with C. Susie - Original Message - From: "hotmail angelznest" To: Cc: "gmail angelznest" Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:55 AM Subject: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy Re Le Ann
It is legal. I have been giving my husband IVs for 3 years now sometimes 4 a day. He has MRSA and osteomylitis. I got my equipment from a visiting nurse. Heparin is Dangerous and I just use a saline flush. If the needle coagulates I just throw it out and have a nurse put in a new "peripheral". Use new needless syringes EACH time and flush before and after. At least 1 full syringe before and after Harper In a message dated 10/26/2005 6:50:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lsav...@cfl.rr.com writes: How do you get the bag, the line, the "hep-lock" (sp?). How do you learn how to put in the needle? etc. I was thinking about asking a friend of mine who is a paramedic and I have a sister-in-law who is a nurse but I'm afraid of the, "what kind of crazy idea is that?" from them because they are medical model people. Is it legal to give yourself (or a family member) an IV? Thanks in advance... Lea Ann - Original Message - From: "Shenanigans" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:41 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy > Linus Pauling. Very easy to do. He frequently used up to l00 grams a day, > IV. Susie > - Original Message - > From: "Lea Ann" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy > > >> Hi Susie, >> >> How did you learn this information? Do you think it would be possible to >> learn how to do Vitamin C IV therapy for yourself? >> >> Lea Ann >> >> ----- Original Message - >> From: "Shenanigans" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:34 AM >> Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy >> >> >>> You can make your own. Just remember that l level teaspoon of salt in a >>> pint of water =0.9% saline, the base for many IV fluids. You can boil >>> this in the microwave. I would put another jar,say a small babyfood jar >>> filled with water in the microwave too, boil both l0 minutes. What ever >>> evaporates from the jar with the salt won't matter, or you can put some >>> from the babyfood jar over into it. When the water is mostly cool, pour >>> a small amount, maybe l/4 cup, of the saline water into the sterilized >>> babyfood jar. Add the amount of C you want, let it dissolve. Now you >>> have sterile IV fluid with C. Susie >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "hotmail angelznest" >>> To: >>> Cc: "gmail angelznest" >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:55 AM >>> Subject: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy >> -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy
How do you get the bag, the line, the "hep-lock" (sp?). How do you learn how to put in the needle? etc. I was thinking about asking a friend of mine who is a paramedic and I have a sister-in-law who is a nurse but I'm afraid of the, "what kind of crazy idea is that?" from them because they are medical model people. Is it legal to give yourself (or a family member) an IV? Thanks in advance... Lea Ann - Original Message - From: "Shenanigans" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:41 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy Linus Pauling. Very easy to do. He frequently used up to l00 grams a day, IV. Susie - Original Message - From: "Lea Ann" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy Hi Susie, How did you learn this information? Do you think it would be possible to learn how to do Vitamin C IV therapy for yourself? Lea Ann - Original Message - From: "Shenanigans" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy You can make your own. Just remember that l level teaspoon of salt in a pint of water =0.9% saline, the base for many IV fluids. You can boil this in the microwave. I would put another jar,say a small babyfood jar filled with water in the microwave too, boil both l0 minutes. What ever evaporates from the jar with the salt won't matter, or you can put some from the babyfood jar over into it. When the water is mostly cool, pour a small amount, maybe l/4 cup, of the saline water into the sterilized babyfood jar. Add the amount of C you want, let it dissolve. Now you have sterile IV fluid with C. Susie - Original Message - From: "hotmail angelznest" To: Cc: "gmail angelznest" Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:55 AM Subject: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy
Linus Pauling. Very easy to do. He frequently used up to l00 grams a day, IV. Susie - Original Message - From: "Lea Ann" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy Hi Susie, How did you learn this information? Do you think it would be possible to learn how to do Vitamin C IV therapy for yourself? Lea Ann - Original Message - From: "Shenanigans" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy You can make your own. Just remember that l level teaspoon of salt in a pint of water =0.9% saline, the base for many IV fluids. You can boil this in the microwave. I would put another jar,say a small babyfood jar filled with water in the microwave too, boil both l0 minutes. What ever evaporates from the jar with the salt won't matter, or you can put some from the babyfood jar over into it. When the water is mostly cool, pour a small amount, maybe l/4 cup, of the saline water into the sterilized babyfood jar. Add the amount of C you want, let it dissolve. Now you have sterile IV fluid with C. Susie - Original Message - From: "hotmail angelznest" To: Cc: "gmail angelznest" Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:55 AM Subject: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy
Hi Susie, How did you learn this information? Do you think it would be possible to learn how to do Vitamin C IV therapy for yourself? Lea Ann - Original Message - From: "Shenanigans" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy You can make your own. Just remember that l level teaspoon of salt in a pint of water =0.9% saline, the base for many IV fluids. You can boil this in the microwave. I would put another jar,say a small babyfood jar filled with water in the microwave too, boil both l0 minutes. What ever evaporates from the jar with the salt won't matter, or you can put some from the babyfood jar over into it. When the water is mostly cool, pour a small amount, maybe l/4 cup, of the saline water into the sterilized babyfood jar. Add the amount of C you want, let it dissolve. Now you have sterile IV fluid with C. Susie - Original Message - From: "hotmail angelznest" To: Cc: "gmail angelznest" Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:55 AM Subject: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy
Please,please do NOT use the microwave for any part of this. It could be life threatening. "There was a lawsuit in 1991 in Oklahoma. A woman named Norma Levitt had hip surgery, but was killed by a simple blood transfusion when a nurse "warmed the blood for the transfusion in a microwave oven!" In fact, I've thrown ours out due to info such as this: http://www.relfe.com/microwave.html (I used the power supply and controls to make Duncan's High voltage pulsating DC colloidal silver maker.) Chuck I was thinking about how people seem to read the Bible a whole lot more as they get older, then it dawned on me .they're cramming for their final exam. On 10/26/2005 9:34:43 AM, Shenanigans (shenaniganshar...@direcway.com) wrote: > You can make your own. Just remember that l level teaspoon of salt in a > pint > of water =0.9% saline, the base for many IV fluids. You can boil this in > the > microwave. I would put another jar,say a small babyfood jar filled with > water in the microwave too, boil both l0 minutes. What ever evaporates > from > the jar with the salt > won't matter, or you can put some from the babyfood > jar over into it. When the water is mostly cool, pour a small amount, maybe > l/4 cup, of the saline water into the sterilized babyfood jar. Add the > amount of C you want, let it dissolve. Now you have sterile IV fluid with C. > Susie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy
In a message dated 26/10/2005 14:36:28 GMT Daylight Time, shenaniganshar...@direcway.com writes: mostly cool, pour a small amount, maybe l/4 cup, of the saline water into the sterilized babyfood jar. Add the amount of C you want, let it dissolve. Now you have sterile IV fluid with C. So what then Susie, you inject it yourself? Mo HEPACTION Counselling & Healing Services
Re: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy
You can make your own. Just remember that l level teaspoon of salt in a pint of water =0.9% saline, the base for many IV fluids. You can boil this in the microwave. I would put another jar,say a small babyfood jar filled with water in the microwave too, boil both l0 minutes. What ever evaporates from the jar with the salt won't matter, or you can put some from the babyfood jar over into it. When the water is mostly cool, pour a small amount, maybe l/4 cup, of the saline water into the sterilized babyfood jar. Add the amount of C you want, let it dissolve. Now you have sterile IV fluid with C. Susie - Original Message - From: "hotmail angelznest" To: Cc: "gmail angelznest" Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:55 AM Subject: CS>Fw: CS>Vitamin C Therapy hello, i've been on the lookout on the list, for a response to this question, but haven't seen it yet. did i miss it? has no one a response to it yet? i'm also in dire need of the info and would appreciate very, very much some guidance. thanks much, angel From: "ransley" Subject: RE: CS>Vitamin C Therapy Lea Ann wrote: Can anyone find IN this website the link to "how" you "force" a doctor to give you IV Vitamin C therapy if you need it? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
