Re: CS>H2O2 Verified
Robert Berger wrote: > Happy New Years Listers, > There has been much discussion about the use of H2O2 when added to > your silver hydrosol. Therefore I setup an experiment today to provide > some positive answers to the question. Using the product of a 2 gallon > microwave power supply brew made on 11-9-05 that was a light yellow > color but clear. Tested on 11-10-05 and retested today before and > after adding 5 drops of 35& H2O2 to a one gallon jug. Test data for > 11-10-05: Ag+ =8.6 PPM; Conductance = 10.3 uS/cm Retest; on > 1-2-06: Ag+= 8.58 PPM; conductance = 8.3 uS/cm Test data after the > addition of 5 drops of 35% H2O2 per gallon. The yellow color > completely disappeared and then the test data taken. 1-2-06 Ag+ = > 8.58 PPM; Conductance = 9.4 uS/cm. The addition of the H2O2 does > create a slight astringent taste but it is masked with the addition of > Gatorade. Conclusion: Since the measurable concentration (PPM) did not > change with the addition of the H2O2 the color change must be due to > change in particle shape. > > > How can the ppm of silver change, silver is an element, and no matter > what you do with it it will still be silver. Of course the ppm of > silver did not change. Since the ppm cannot change, and did not > change, how can you reach any conclusion as to it meaning that > something was due to something? > > We know that the change from yellow to clear is due to a reduction in > particle size already. The discussions have been not on if it reduces > the particle size, but by what mechanism it does this. > If there had been a splitting of agglomerated silver ions then the > PPM should have increased. > > > Huh? The ppm of silver cannot increase. That would require a nuclear > reaction. The total silver content HAS to remain constant no matter > what chemical reaction is done. > > Also I have no idea of what you mean by agglomerated silver ions. We > I think have decided to call the two components of EIS molecular ions > and nano particles. > > Marshall > > > > "Ole Bob"
Re: CS>H2O2 Verified
## Could you clarify that second part just a touch? Why would splitting ions [or particles] change PPM one way or the other? Ode Conclusion: Since the measurable concentration (PPM) did not change with the addition of the H2O2 the color change must be due to change in particle shape. If there had been a splitting of agglomerated silver ions then the PPM should have increased. "Ole Bob" No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.10 - Release Date: 1/2/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.11 - Release Date: 1/2/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>H2O2 Verified
Hi bob, ARe you saying that the end result was a larger particle size and shape and that the PMM basically remained the same? Robert Berger wrote: Conclusion: Since the measurable concentration (PPM) did not change with the addition of the H2O2 the color change must be due to change in particle shape. If there had been a splitting of agglomerated silver ions then the PPM should have increased. "Ole Bob" Carol Ann ___ The Pessimist complains about the Wind; The Optimist expects it to change; The Realist adjusts the Sails. - The world needs more sailors. - Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less
Re: CS>H2O2 Verified
Hi Bob: Once the h2o2 is added to the sol, agglomerates are either reduced ( creating more silver particles, which will not effect conductivity ) or they plate out ( which will not increase conductivity ) or drop from suspension. In a quality brew, I believe that particle sizing is effected, based on some 'ad-hoc' measurements once done by a water quality plant ( SEM before and after the addition of h2o2 demonstrated smaller particle sizing on the same batch of CS, before and after comparisons ). Kind Regards, Jason Robert Berger wrote: Happy New Years Listers, There has been much discussion about the use of H2O2 when added to your silver hydrosol. Therefore I setup an experiment today to provide some positive answers to the question. Using the product of a 2 gallon microwave power supply brew made on 11-9-05 that was a light yellow color but clear. Tested on 11-10-05 and retested today before and after adding 5 drops of 35& H2O2 to a one gallon jug. Test data for 11-10-05: Ag+ =8.6 PPM; Conductance = 10.3 uS/cm Retest; on 1-2-06: Ag+= 8.58 PPM; conductance = 8.3 uS/cm Test data after the addition of 5 drops of 35% H2O2 per gallon. The yellow color completely disappeared and then the test data taken. 1-2-06 Ag+ = 8.58 PPM; Conductance = 9.4 uS/cm. The addition of the H2O2 does create a slight astringent taste but it is masked with the addition of Gatorade. Conclusion: Since the measurable concentration (PPM) did not change with the addition of the H2O2 the color change must be due to change in particle shape. If there had been a splitting of agglomerated silver ions then the PPM should have increased. "Ole Bob" No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.10/218 - Release Date: 1/2/2006 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
