Re: CS>osteoporosis

2010-08-10 Thread Norton, Steve
Too much misinformation. It even claims to have 1 angstrom silver
particles. A single silver atom is 2.9 angstroms. 

 - Steve N

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Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: CS>osteoporosis

If you are interested in fine particle minerals you might also be
interested 
in reading 
http://www.angstrom-mineral.com/angstrom-minerals/angstrom-silver.html

I don't know if what she says is true but it is interesting.
PT


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Re: CS>osteoporosis

2010-08-10 Thread needling around
If you are interested in fine particle minerals you might also be interested 
in reading 
http://www.angstrom-mineral.com/angstrom-minerals/angstrom-silver.html


I don't know if what she says is true but it is interesting.
PT


- Original Message - 
From: "Shirley Reed" 

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Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 9:02 PM
Subject: CS>osteoporosis


  The site www.eidon.com has an excellent article about silica and its 
importance in bone formation and flexibility.  On their home page just 
read the first few lines of their  The Calcium-Silica Connection then 
click 'read more' for some real eye-opening info.  Of course, strontium 
and boron are also necessary but so few seem to have even heard of silica 
in this connection.  Best wishes,  pj






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Re: CS>osteoporosis

2010-06-20 Thread Ode Coyote



  The statement wasn't about a specific, just a delivery route that mostly 
bypasses the liver and avoids making un-intended metabolites out of much of 
your intended application of  *whatever*
..don't know anything about Comfrey and not much about Sulphur other than 
it is used in many medicines ..like Silver sulfadiazine  and DMSO .. and is 
high in many foods and herbs  that have antibiotic propertieslike onions.

 Essential for growing strong  bones and much much more

https://www.thebodyhealer.com/supplements/supplement_profile.asp?id=24

Ode


At 01:58 PM 6/19/2010 -0500, you wrote:

Ode, I have no experience with Comfrey or sulphur.  Question:
1.  Do I buy Comfrey salve, comfrey to make a tea, or what?  Do you rub it 
on (my spine for example)

2.  On the sulphur, what do I look for, make a paste, or take it internally?
3.  DMSO, I assume you rub it on the spine or wherever it is needed?

ThanksKathy
- Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: CS>osteoporosis





  many of the dangers presented when the liver processes things can be 
avoided or reduced by absorption through the skin...bypassing the liver 
for the greater part and taking far less of it to do the job.
 Tincture of Comfrey and DMSO???  lotsa sulphur, essential to bone 
growth.


ode


At 11:53 AM 6/17/2010 -0500, you wrote:
Weight exercises have been shown to be the best for rebuilding bone 
strength.  Which is exercising where you use weights with the body. 
There's even a vest for women that is weighted and you wear it for a few 
hours daily.  It puts 'stress' on the body/bones, and the bones, like 
muscles, rebound by building strength.


Also, you may want to look at Dr. Christopher's BF&C tincture.  I 
believe they call it something else now, but if you Google you will find 
it.  It stands for Bone Flesh and Cartilage.  It does wonders for 
building bones--BUT, I believe along with the name change they also took 
comfrey out of the formula--and that is the very reason it worked so 
great! Comfrey is also called bone-knit because it rebuilds bones.


If you Google comfrey you will see that the FDA has a rant against 
internal use of it.  I believe there are very certain situations where 
ingesting comfrey needs to be done carefully, since it MAY effect the 
liver.  Which would mean that a person that already has a liver disease 
would not want oral comfrey.  But--for everyone else, comfrey has been 
used internally safely for centuries for just this very thing--building bones.


samala,
Renee
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you get rid of it quickly and easily.  Get the wand here

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My Dr. started me on the D3 over a year ago, as I was low on D.  I was 
retested a couple weeks ago, the D part is okay, but the osteoporosis is 
not improving.Thanks for answering,...Kathy



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Re: CS>osteoporosis

2010-06-19 Thread Kathy Tankersley

Ode, I have no experience with Comfrey or sulphur.  Question:
1.  Do I buy Comfrey salve, comfrey to make a tea, or what?  Do you rub it 
on (my spine for example)

2.  On the sulphur, what do I look for, make a paste, or take it internally?
3.  DMSO, I assume you rub it on the spine or wherever it is needed?

ThanksKathy
- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: CS>osteoporosis





  many of the dangers presented when the liver processes things can be 
avoided or reduced by absorption through the skin...bypassing the liver 
for the greater part and taking far less of it to do the job.
 Tincture of Comfrey and DMSO???  lotsa sulphur, essential to bone 
growth.


ode


At 11:53 AM 6/17/2010 -0500, you wrote:
Weight exercises have been shown to be the best for rebuilding bone 
strength.  Which is exercising where you use weights with the body. 
There's even a vest for women that is weighted and you wear it for a few 
hours daily.  It puts 'stress' on the body/bones, and the bones, like 
muscles, rebound by building strength.


Also, you may want to look at Dr. Christopher's BF&C tincture.  I believe 
they call it something else now, but if you Google you will find it.  It 
stands for Bone Flesh and Cartilage.  It does wonders for building 
bones--BUT, I believe along with the name change they also took comfrey 
out of the formula--and that is the very reason it worked so great! 
Comfrey is also called bone-knit because it rebuilds bones.


If you Google comfrey you will see that the FDA has a rant against 
internal use of it.  I believe there are very certain situations where 
ingesting comfrey needs to be done carefully, since it MAY effect the 
liver.  Which would mean that a person that already has a liver disease 
would not want oral comfrey.  But--for everyone else, comfrey has been 
used internally safely for centuries for just this very thing--building 
bones.


samala,
Renee
<http://www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt>www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt
Chronic pain does NOT belong in your body.  The Am Wand helps
you get rid of it quickly and easily.  Get the wand here

---Original Message---


My Dr. started me on the D3 over a year ago, as I was low on D.  I was 
retested a couple weeks ago, the D part is okay, but the osteoporosis is 
not improving.Thanks for answering,...Kathy





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Re: CS>osteoporosis

2010-06-18 Thread Gayla Roberts

You have to seriously, SERIOUSLY overdose on comfrey to have toxic effects.
Gayla
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From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 3:01 AM
Subject: Re: CS>osteoporosis





  many of the dangers presented when the liver processes things can be 
avoided or reduced by absorption through the skin...bypassing the liver 
for the greater part and taking far less of it to do the job.
 Tincture of Comfrey and DMSO???  lotsa sulphur, essential to bone 
growth.


ode


At 11:53 AM 6/17/2010 -0500, you wrote:
Weight exercises have been shown to be the best for rebuilding bone 
strength.  Which is exercising where you use weights with the body. 
There's even a vest for women that is weighted and you wear it for a few 
hours daily.  It puts 'stress' on the body/bones, and the bones, like 
muscles, rebound by building strength.


Also, you may want to look at Dr. Christopher's BF&C tincture.  I believe 
they call it something else now, but if you Google you will find it.  It 
stands for Bone Flesh and Cartilage.  It does wonders for building 
bones--BUT, I believe along with the name change they also took comfrey 
out of the formula--and that is the very reason it worked so great! 
Comfrey is also called bone-knit because it rebuilds bones.


If you Google comfrey you will see that the FDA has a rant against 
internal use of it.  I believe there are very certain situations where 
ingesting comfrey needs to be done carefully, since it MAY effect the 
liver.  Which would mean that a person that already has a liver disease 
would not want oral comfrey.  But--for everyone else, comfrey has been 
used internally safely for centuries for just this very thing--building 
bones.


samala,
Renee
<http://www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt>www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt
Chronic pain does NOT belong in your body.  The Am Wand helps
you get rid of it quickly and easily.  Get the wand here

---Original Message---


My Dr. started me on the D3 over a year ago, as I was low on D.  I was 
retested a couple weeks ago, the D part is okay, but the osteoporosis is 
not improving.Thanks for answering,...Kathy





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Re: CS>osteoporosis

2010-06-18 Thread Ode Coyote



  many of the dangers presented when the liver processes things can be 
avoided or reduced by absorption through the skin...bypassing the liver for 
the greater part and taking far less of it to do the job.

 Tincture of Comfrey and DMSO???  lotsa sulphur, essential to bone growth.

ode


At 11:53 AM 6/17/2010 -0500, you wrote:
Weight exercises have been shown to be the best for rebuilding bone 
strength.  Which is exercising where you use weights with the 
body.  There's even a vest for women that is weighted and you wear it for 
a few hours daily.  It puts 'stress' on the body/bones, and the bones, 
like muscles, rebound by building strength.


Also, you may want to look at Dr. Christopher's BF&C tincture.  I believe 
they call it something else now, but if you Google you will find it.  It 
stands for Bone Flesh and Cartilage.  It does wonders for building 
bones--BUT, I believe along with the name change they also took comfrey 
out of the formula--and that is the very reason it worked so 
great!  Comfrey is also called bone-knit because it rebuilds bones.


If you Google comfrey you will see that the FDA has a rant against 
internal use of it.  I believe there are very certain situations where 
ingesting comfrey needs to be done carefully, since it MAY effect the 
liver.  Which would mean that a person that already has a liver disease 
would not want oral comfrey.  But--for everyone else, comfrey has been 
used internally safely for centuries for just this very thing--building bones.


samala,
Renee
www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt
Chronic pain does NOT belong in your body.  The Am Wand helps
you get rid of it quickly and easily.  Get the wand here

---Original Message---


My Dr. started me on the D3 over a year ago, as I was low on D.  I was 
retested a couple weeks ago, the D part is okay, but the osteoporosis is 
not improving.Thanks for answering,...Kathy





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Re: The Calcium/Magnesium error Re: CS>osteoporosis

2010-06-17 Thread Kathy Tankersley
Thanks for answering, I'll check out ordering these books. ..thanks 
againKathy
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jane MacRoss 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 5:29 PM
  Subject: The Calcium/Magnesium error Re: CS>osteoporosis


  Kathy you need HEAPS of Magnesium, taken in the morning and if you are 
compelled to take any Calcium at all take a small amount as you go to bed, they 
counteract each other so if you take them together, as you have been for years, 
 you get no benefit

  I just bought two books to recommend to people:

  Author: Carolyn Dean
  Title: The Magnesium Miracle


  Author: Mark Sircus
  Title: Transdermal Magnesium Therapy

  If you need more details about Calc/Mac let me know

  Jane 

  http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth
  ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~
- Original Message - 
From: Kathy Tankersley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 12:12 AM
Subject: CS>osteoporosis


Hi All, I'm looking for treatment of Osteoporosis:  My Ob/GYN Dr. had a 
bone density test done on me , and I have Osteoporosis in one hip and my spine. 
 She put me on Bluebonnet Cal/Mag, but I've been taking Cal/Mag all these 
years.  Has anyone been through this?  Any suggestions?
Thanks..Kathy






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Re: CS>osteoporosis Part 2

2010-06-17 Thread Kathy Tankersley

Thanks alot for all the info, I'm going thru it now...Kathy
- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 4:06 PM
Subject: RE: CS>osteoporosis Part 2


My original post was too long. Here is the last part.
- Steve N

Zinc oxide:

Zinc oxide has been shown to increase IGF-1 both as an oral and topical
application. Zinc oxide is considered safe except when inhaled: 
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/zincoxide/recognition.html



Topical:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7899834

http://www.podiatrytoday.com/article/1894
" In another recent study, zinc oxide was found to promote
epithelialization of full thickness skin wounds by the activation of
zinc-dependent MMPs, which facilitate keratinocyte migration. The study
also demonstrated that zinc oxide augmented endogenous expression of
insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1), which is fundamental in the
production of granulation tissue.1"

Oral:

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/136/7/1786




Protein, milk and coffee:

http://www.2-bodybuilding.com/articles/1849-increase_igf-1_levels_natura
lly.html
" Recent studies in adult humans have consistently shown that high milk
consumption is associated with a 10 percent to 20 percent increase in
circulating IGF-1 levels in humans.10, 19-23 Even more interesting is
that a head-to-head study comparing milk to meat as a protein source has
shown that milk increases IGF-1 more profoundly than meat proteins.
Before I dive into the research, here is a brief summary of IGF-1 basics
and why increasing IGF-1 levels are important for increasing muscle
mass.

IGF-1: Anabolic And Anti-Catabolic
A number of studies have associated age-related declines in circulating
anabolic factors, including IGF-1 and testosterone, with the muscle
atrophy of aging, suggesting that these serum factors are important for
the maintenance of muscle mass. Scientists wanted to see what would
happen to muscle satellite cells of older mice if they restored their
serum levels of IGF-1 to those of young mice. Using a parabiosis model
(a parabiosis model surgically attaches the circulatory system of two
animals in this case, an older and a younger mouse), these researchers
showed that the circulating IGF-1 plays an important role in the
regenerative capabilities of skeletal muscle, including satellite cell
recruitment, as regenerative capacity was restored in aged mice provided
a young circulation.33 This study clearly shows that satellite cells of
aging muscle are influenced by serum levels of IGF-1, as chronic
exposure to serum from young animals restored the regenerative
capacities of satellite cells in old mice. Furthermore, exogenous IGF-1
applied to atrophied muscles in rats has been shown to significantly
increase muscle mass and satellite cell activity.

Protein Influences IGF-1 Concentrations
Concentrations of IGF-1 appear to be influenced by total calories,
protein intake and certain micronutrients (potassium, magnesium and
zinc), as shown in both animal and human studies.3 It has been reported
that the nutritional status, not only energy and amino acid restriction,
are critical regulators of IGF-1. For example, one study examined the
effect of protein or carbohydrate supplementation in conjunction with
strength and conditioning training on IGF-1 over a six-month period. The
results of this study indicated that a protein supplement consumed
during a strength and conditioning program led to an increase in plasma
concentrations of IGF-1 in those subjects compared with the
concentrations in a group of persons who also trained, but consumed a
calorically equivalent carbohydrate supplement.27 Endurance runners
represent the perfect diet model for how diet modifies IGF-1. Endurance
runners who consume a diet low in protein yet high in carbohydrates have
lower IGF-1 levels compared to sedentary adults consuming a Western
diet, which was high in protein and calories.15 This in conjunction with
other studies that have also found a substantial depressing effect of a
persistently used low-protein diet on circulating total and free IGF-1.
A certain amount of protein and carbohydrates are needed for IGF-1, but
the traditional high-protein/low-carbohydrate diet bodybuilders follow
causes a drop in serum levels of IGF-1 and insulin; however, muscle gene
expression of IGF-1 actually increases.34

Got IGF-1?
Most bodybuilders know that milk contains casein and is known as a slow
protein for its unique ability to coagulate in the small intestines and
release slowly into the bloodstream. Approximately 80 percent of the
protein in cows milk is casein and the remaining 20 percent is whey.
Casein proteins clot in low-pH solutions. Hence, the acidity in the
stomach makes casein clump into a gel, whereas whey remains soluble.
Both whey and casein contain specific proteins and peptides that may
have growth-stimulating effects. Additionally, the degradation of milk
proteins whe

The Calcium/Magnesium error Re: CS>osteoporosis

2010-06-17 Thread Jane MacRoss
Kathy you need HEAPS of Magnesium, taken in the morning and if you are 
compelled to take any Calcium at all take a small amount as you go to bed, they 
counteract each other so if you take them together, as you have been for years, 
 you get no benefit

I just bought two books to recommend to people:

Author: Carolyn Dean
Title: The Magnesium Miracle


Author: Mark Sircus
Title: Transdermal Magnesium Therapy

If you need more details about Calc/Mac let me know

Jane 

http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth
~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Tankersley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 12:12 AM
  Subject: CS>osteoporosis


  Hi All, I'm looking for treatment of Osteoporosis:  My Ob/GYN Dr. had a bone 
density test done on me , and I have Osteoporosis in one hip and my spine.  She 
put me on Bluebonnet Cal/Mag, but I've been taking Cal/Mag all these years.  
Has anyone been through this?  Any suggestions?
  Thanks..Kathy


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RE: CS>osteoporosis Part 2

2010-06-17 Thread Norton, Steve
My original post was too long. Here is the last part.
 - Steve N

Zinc oxide:

Zinc oxide has been shown to increase IGF-1 both as an oral and topical
application. Zinc oxide is considered safe except when inhaled: 
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/zincoxide/recognition.html
 

Topical:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7899834

http://www.podiatrytoday.com/article/1894
" In another recent study, zinc oxide was found to promote
epithelialization of full thickness skin wounds by the activation of
zinc-dependent MMPs, which facilitate keratinocyte migration. The study
also demonstrated that zinc oxide augmented endogenous expression of
insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1), which is fundamental in the
production of granulation tissue.1"

Oral:

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/136/7/1786




Protein, milk and coffee:

http://www.2-bodybuilding.com/articles/1849-increase_igf-1_levels_natura
lly.html
" Recent studies in adult humans have consistently shown that high milk
consumption is associated with a 10 percent to 20 percent increase in
circulating IGF-1 levels in humans.10, 19-23 Even more interesting is
that a head-to-head study comparing milk to meat as a protein source has
shown that milk increases IGF-1 more profoundly than meat proteins.
Before I dive into the research, here is a brief summary of IGF-1 basics
and why increasing IGF-1 levels are important for increasing muscle
mass.

IGF-1: Anabolic And Anti-Catabolic
A number of studies have associated age-related declines in circulating
anabolic factors, including IGF-1 and testosterone, with the muscle
atrophy of aging, suggesting that these serum factors are important for
the maintenance of muscle mass. Scientists wanted to see what would
happen to muscle satellite cells of older mice if they restored their
serum levels of IGF-1 to those of young mice. Using a parabiosis model
(a parabiosis model surgically attaches the circulatory system of two
animals in this case, an older and a younger mouse), these researchers
showed that the circulating IGF-1 plays an important role in the
regenerative capabilities of skeletal muscle, including satellite cell
recruitment, as regenerative capacity was restored in aged mice provided
a young circulation.33 This study clearly shows that satellite cells of
aging muscle are influenced by serum levels of IGF-1, as chronic
exposure to serum from young animals restored the regenerative
capacities of satellite cells in old mice. Furthermore, exogenous IGF-1
applied to atrophied muscles in rats has been shown to significantly
increase muscle mass and satellite cell activity.

Protein Influences IGF-1 Concentrations
Concentrations of IGF-1 appear to be influenced by total calories,
protein intake and certain micronutrients (potassium, magnesium and
zinc), as shown in both animal and human studies.3 It has been reported
that the nutritional status, not only energy and amino acid restriction,
are critical regulators of IGF-1. For example, one study examined the
effect of protein or carbohydrate supplementation in conjunction with
strength and conditioning training on IGF-1 over a six-month period. The
results of this study indicated that a protein supplement consumed
during a strength and conditioning program led to an increase in plasma
concentrations of IGF-1 in those subjects compared with the
concentrations in a group of persons who also trained, but consumed a
calorically equivalent carbohydrate supplement.27 Endurance runners
represent the perfect diet model for how diet modifies IGF-1. Endurance
runners who consume a diet low in protein yet high in carbohydrates have
lower IGF-1 levels compared to sedentary adults consuming a Western
diet, which was high in protein and calories.15 This in conjunction with
other studies that have also found a substantial depressing effect of a
persistently used low-protein diet on circulating total and free IGF-1.
A certain amount of protein and carbohydrates are needed for IGF-1, but
the traditional high-protein/low-carbohydrate diet bodybuilders follow
causes a drop in serum levels of IGF-1 and insulin; however, muscle gene
expression of IGF-1 actually increases.34

Got IGF-1?
Most bodybuilders know that milk contains casein and is known as a slow
protein for its unique ability to coagulate in the small intestines and
release slowly into the bloodstream. Approximately 80 percent of the
protein in cows milk is casein and the remaining 20 percent is whey.
Casein proteins clot in low-pH solutions. Hence, the acidity in the
stomach makes casein clump into a gel, whereas whey remains soluble.
Both whey and casein contain specific proteins and peptides that may
have growth-stimulating effects. Additionally, the degradation of milk
proteins when they are exposed to the acid in the stomach results in
many other peptides that also may have specific effects.

Casein May Protect IGF-1 Degradation
More than just proteins, milk contains many other growth-enhancing
components. Mi

RE: CS>osteoporosis

2010-06-17 Thread Norton, Steve
You should supplement with the building blocks of bone. These include: calcium, 
Vitamin D, Vitamin K, Vitamin C, boron, manganese, zinc, silica, strontium, B 
vitamins and magnesium. You may want to include Hyaluronic Acid and Boswella 
Serrata. Resveratrol is also beneficial. (Information links provided below).

>From what I have seen, you need to increase IGF-1 levels to really reverse 
>osteoporosis. Studies have shown that IGF-1 levels can be increased by 
>exercise, prunes, creatine, whey protein, dairy products and zinc oxide. 
>Information links are provided below.

 - Steve N


Hyaluronic Acid and Boswella Serrata:

http://www.wellnessresources.com/tips/articles/tips_for_building_strong_and_healthy_bones_new_breakthroughs_in_bone_h/

"It has long been known that bone exists as a matrix of protein mainly in the 
form of collagen to which minerals are attached.  The protein matrix is 
responsible for the toughness and the minerals are responsible for the 
stiffness of bone.  In order to have strong bones it is vital to have a healthy 
relationship between the protein matrix and the attached minerals.
Up until the end of 2007 it was taught in all bone biology classes that the 
minerals were directly attached to protein molecules.  U.K. researchers from 
the University of Cambridge have quietly shocked the entire bone world and 
opened up a treasure-trove of natural options for individuals to strengthen 
bone. 
In a recent study they showed that it was actually sugar molecules that linked 
the minerals to the collagen-protein matrix.  These sugar molecules form the 
structural blueprint and the adhesive connections that make bone strength 
possible.  This is a dramatic new discovery.
Specifically, the sugar molecules identified by the researchers are called 
glycosaminoglycans (GAGs), which means many sugars strung together in repeating 
units - a type of complex carbohydrate.  Using advanced imaging technology, the 
researchers proved, for the very first time, that these sugar molecules are 
responsible for the linking attachments between proteins and minerals that 
enable bone to form.  In fact, they are directly responsible for the 
symmetrical formation of bone that enables bone strength.  GAGs are directly 
responsible for modulating mineral size and crystalline structure.
The most important GAG is called Hyaluronic Acid (HA).  It is a combination of 
two sugars (D-Glucoronic Acid and N-Acetyl-Glucosamine) that form one unit 
referred to as a disaccharide.  One molecule of HA has as many as 10,000 
disaccharide units, making it a very large and long molecule.  For many years 
scientists thought this simple long molecule didn't do much of anything except 
fill space and provide joint lubrication.  Now scientists understand that HA 
acts as a template to assist in the formation of new body structure.  In other 
words, HA is to the human body what soil is to a crop.  
HA is the fundamental GAG, but it is used as a building block to form other 
types of GAGs that play unique and important roles in different body 
structures.  These other GAGs have an HA spine, and then use sulfur to form 
more specific GAG structures such as chondroitin sulfate (cartilage), keratin 
sulfate (cartilage and bone), dermatin sulfate (skin and blood vessels), and 
heparin sulfate (cell membranes).  GAGs are the fundamental alphabet that 
enables any kind of body tissue to form and have shape.
The new research is groundbreaking as it proves that GAG molecules are the 
essential glue that not only holds bone together but also guides the formation 
of a bone's proper three dimensional integrity and crystalline shape.  Without 
enough GAGs bone crystals form in an unregulated manner resulting in weaker 
bones.  
In practical terms this means that adding Hyaluronic Acid to a basic bone 
support program"


" One of the major problems in maintaining healthy bones over the course of a 
lifetime is keeping a proper balance between osteoclasts (the demo crew) and 
osteoblasts (the new construction crew).  Both most act in harmony.  In cases 
of bone-related stress and wear and tear it appears osteoclasts get carried 
away and osteoblasts take a nap.
An answer to this problem has emerged from the new field of osteoimmunology.  
And once again, the discovery is of immense importance to any individual 
concerned about maintaining healthy bones.
This new science shows that macrophages (immune cells) and osteoclasts (the 
demo crew) come from the same parent cell.  Thus, as cells begin to take form 
from basic stem cells there are options as to what they might become.  A key 
switch has been identified called NFkappaB.  If the NFkappaB switch is too 
active, then too many osteoclasts are made.  If the NFkappaB switch is in more 
normal operation, then osteoclasts are produced at a more optimal level, likely 
in better balance with its companion, osteoblasts.  Once again, this is a 
revolutionary discovery in bone health.
The NF KappaB s

Re: CS>osteoporosis

2010-06-17 Thread Renee
Weight exercises have been shown to be the best for rebuilding bone strength
  Which is exercising where you use weights with the body.  There's even a
vest for women that is weighted and you wear it for a few hours daily.  It
puts 'stress' on the body/bones, and the bones, like muscles, rebound by
building strength.

Also, you may want to look at Dr. Christopher's BF&C tincture.  I believe
they call it something else now, but if you Google you will find it.  It
stands for Bone Flesh and Cartilage.  It does wonders for building
bones--BUT, I believe along with the name change they also took comfrey out
of the formula--and that is the very reason it worked so great!  Comfrey is
also called bone-knit because it rebuilds bones.  

If you Google comfrey you will see that the FDA has a rant against internal
use of it.  I believe there are very certain situations where ingesting
comfrey needs to be done carefully, since it MAY effect the liver.  Which
would mean that a person that already has a liver disease would not want
oral comfrey.  But--for everyone else, comfrey has been used internally
safely for centuries for just this very thing--building bones. 
 
samala,
Renee
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---Original Message---
 
 
My Dr. started me on the D3 over a year ago, as I was low on D.  I was retested 
a couple weeks ago, the D part is okay, but the osteoporosis is not improving.  
  Thanks for answering,...Kathy

Re: CS>osteoporosis

2010-06-17 Thread Alan Jones
Howz about some running or power walking, plus heavy weight lifting?  How
sedentary are you?  Methinks lots of folks get brittle bones from lack of
use, a little healthy stress can reverse that.

Alan

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Kathy Tankersley wrote:

>  Hi All, I'm looking for treatment of Osteoporosis:  My Ob/GYN Dr. had a
> bone density test done on me , and I have Osteoporosis in one hip and my
> spine.  She put me on Bluebonnet Cal/Mag, but I've been taking Cal/Mag all
> these years.  Has anyone been through this?  Any suggestions?
> Thanks..Kathy
>

-- 
Alan Jones

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or
to the people."  (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)


Re: CS>osteoporosis

2010-06-17 Thread Kathy Tankersley
My Dr. started me on the D3 over a year ago, as I was low on D.  I was retested 
a couple weeks ago, the D part is okay, but the osteoporosis is not improving.  
  Thanks for answering,...Kathy
  - Original Message - 
  From: ejohns9...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 10:43 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>osteoporosis


  Kathy,

  the same thing happened to me over a year ago.  The doc wanted me to take 
Boniva but I wasn't keen on that so he did a  25-hydroxyvitamin D test and 
found mine to be alarmingly low (8).  He started me on Vit d3.
  I have had that retested a couple times to make sure it was moving up, which 
it has.  I do take calcium along with it.  I need to have the bone density test 
redone.  I will say my back feels MUCH better than when the Dr. first 
discovered the problem.  Edith

  In a message dated 6/17/2010 9:12:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
tanke...@iland.net writes:
Hi All, I'm looking for treatment of Osteoporosis:  My Ob/GYN Dr. had a 
bone density test done on me , and I have Osteoporosis in one hip and my spine. 
 She put me on Bluebonnet Cal/Mag, but I've been taking Cal/Mag all these 
years.  Has anyone been through this?  Any suggestions?
Thanks..Kathy


Re: CS>osteoporosis

2010-06-17 Thread EJohns9525
 
Kathy,
 
the same thing happened to me over a year ago.  The doc wanted me to  take 
Boniva but I wasn't keen on that so he did a  _25-hydroxyvitamin  D test_ 
(http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/reference/glossary-#.shtml#hydtest)  and found 
mine to be alarmingly low (8).  He started  me on Vit d3.
I have had that retested a couple times to make  sure it was moving up, 
which it has.  I do take calcium along with  it.  I need to have the bone 
density test redone.  I will say my back  feels MUCH better than when the Dr. 
first discovered the  problem.  Edith
 
In a message dated 6/17/2010 9:12:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
tanke...@iland.net writes:

Hi All, I'm looking for treatment of  Osteoporosis:  My Ob/GYN Dr. had a 
bone density test done on me , and I  have Osteoporosis in one hip and my 
spine.  She put me on Bluebonnet  Cal/Mag, but I've been taking Cal/Mag all 
these years.  Has anyone been  through this?  Any suggestions?
Thanks..Kathy



 


Re: CS>osteoporosis

2010-06-17 Thread Garrick
Tablespoon of cod liver oil on empty stomach each day. First thing in the
morning is good. There are cherry and mint flavor cod liver oils these days.
I use plain...I like the taste
5000 units Vitamin D3 each day---  NOW foods brand is good
Vitamin K2 by --- NOW foods also

On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Kathy Tankersley wrote:

>  Hi All, I'm looking for treatment of Osteoporosis:  My Ob/GYN Dr. had a
> bone density test done on me , and I have Osteoporosis in one hip and my
> spine.  She put me on Bluebonnet Cal/Mag, but I've been taking Cal/Mag all
> these years.  Has anyone been through this?  Any suggestions?
> Thanks..Kathy
>



-- 


Gurdjieff-- How can you expect fairness and decency on a planet of sleeping
people?


Re: CS>osteoporosis

2010-06-17 Thread needling around
Have you been reading the conversation on DE?  I believe it is supposed to 
help.  Also, I have read that boron helps.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Tankersley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 10:12 AM
  Subject: CS>osteoporosis


  Hi All, I'm looking for treatment of Osteoporosis:  My Ob/GYN Dr. had a bone 
density test done on me , and I have Osteoporosis in one hip and my spine.  She 
put me on Bluebonnet Cal/Mag, but I've been taking Cal/Mag all these years.  
Has anyone been through this?  Any suggestions?
  Thanks..Kathy

Re: CS>Osteoporosis

2009-09-28 Thread Donna

http://www.fsu.edu/news/2007/01/11/osteoporosis.study/
Donna ACS
In a message dated 9/28/2009 12:19:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
stephen.nor...@ngc.com writes:


Not that I am aware of. But apparently prunes are good for reversing
bone loss.
- Steve N

Prunes? How so?
 
Edith




Re: CS>Osteoporosis

2009-09-28 Thread EJohns9525
 
In a message dated 9/28/2009 12:19:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
stephen.nor...@ngc.com writes:

Not that  I am aware of. But apparently prunes are good for reversing
bone loss.
-  Steve N 



Prunes? How so?
 
Edith


Re: CS>Osteoporosis

2009-09-28 Thread Donna

Yep!
Thanks,
Donna ACS


See:

 http://www.betterbones.com/blog/post/Can-prunes-reverse-bone-loss.aspx

http://www.betterbones.com/blog/post/update-on-prunes-reversing-bone-los
s.aspx

 - Steve N
   
 


-Original Message-
From: Donna [mailto:dscroggs44...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 10:36 AM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Osteoporosis

Really?  Never heard that one!  But I do like Prunes as long as they
don't make me run to the pot alot  lol Donna ACS

  
Not that I am aware of. But apparently prunes are good for reversing 
bone loss.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Donna [mailto:dscroggs44...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:06 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Osteoporosis

Is there any benefit to using CS for this?
Donna ACS


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RE: CS>Osteoporosis

2009-09-28 Thread Norton, Steve
See:

 http://www.betterbones.com/blog/post/Can-prunes-reverse-bone-loss.aspx

http://www.betterbones.com/blog/post/update-on-prunes-reversing-bone-los
s.aspx

 - Steve N
   
 

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From: Donna [mailto:dscroggs44...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 10:36 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Osteoporosis

Really?  Never heard that one!  But I do like Prunes as long as they
don't make me run to the pot alot  lol Donna ACS

> Not that I am aware of. But apparently prunes are good for reversing 
> bone loss.
>  - Steve N
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Donna [mailto:dscroggs44...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:06 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>Osteoporosis
>
> Is there any benefit to using CS for this?
> Donna ACS
>
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Re: CS>Osteoporosis

2009-09-28 Thread Donna
Really?  Never heard that one!  But I do like Prunes as long as they 
don't make me run to the pot alot  lol

Donna ACS


Not that I am aware of. But apparently prunes are good for reversing
bone loss.
 - Steve N 


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From: Donna [mailto:dscroggs44...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:06 PM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Osteoporosis

Is there any benefit to using CS for this?
Donna ACS


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RE: CS>Osteoporosis

2009-09-28 Thread Norton, Steve
Not that I am aware of. But apparently prunes are good for reversing
bone loss.
 - Steve N 

-Original Message-
From: Donna [mailto:dscroggs44...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:06 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Osteoporosis

Is there any benefit to using CS for this?
Donna ACS


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Re: CS/Osteoporosis/MCHC

2001-04-11 Thread BROOKS BRADLEY
Dear Mr. MacDonald,
I assume you are referring to
"hydroxyapatite", Ca5(P04)3 0H , which is the principal bone salt
providing
compressional strength of vertebral bone.  We used to obtain it through
veterinary supply sources---for use in our experimental researches.
Almost any pharmacist can obtain it.  The microcrystalline suffix
indicates a special processing procedureand probably carries a
sizeable "upcharge" with it.
With the recent BSE  (CJD variant)
challenges in the UK, one might be well-served to be "SURE" the parent
materials did not originate there.
Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.
Harold MacDonald wrote:

> Can anyone tell me where I can get MCHC[microcrystalline
> hydroxiapatite concentrate]?Harold.


Re: CS>Osteoporosis > Dr. Vergini

1999-08-02 Thread Mary
>
>
>Dear Dr. Vergini, Now, if it had Vanadium in it, it would also help stop the
>adult-onset diabetes plague so rampant right now!!

Yes, as would a very low carb diet, see the LC Diabetes list, where some
Type 2's are able to  get off of their insulin


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Re: CS>Osteoporosis > Dr. Vergini

1999-08-01 Thread Marsha Hallett



>Dear John,
>OsteoPrime Forte has 22 nutrients in it (see formula below) and it is a
>fairly complete vitamin-mineral supplement for your wife.  A bit of Vitamin
>

Dear Dr. Vergini, Now, if it had Vanadium in it, it would also help stop the
adult-onset diabetes plague so rampant right now!!
Just my 2 cents worth...
Marsha


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Re: CS>osteoporosis aids

1999-07-30 Thread CARMEN SPENCE
Hi Cora,

Could you mail me the information on osteoporosis too please.


Carmen
- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 3:40 AM
Subject: Re: CS>osteoporosis aids


> Cora:
> Please do e-mail me the infoprmation on Dr. John Lee's treatment for 
> osteoporosis.
> 
> Thanx
> 
> Carlos
> 
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Re: CS>osteoporosis aids

1999-07-29 Thread Bas872
Cora:
Please do e-mail me the infoprmation on Dr. John Lee's treatment for 
osteoporosis.

Thanx

Carlos


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Re: CS>Osteoporosis > Dr. Vergini

1999-07-29 Thread Raul Vergini, MD
Dear John,
OsteoPrime Forte has 22 nutrients in it (see formula below) and it is a
fairly complete vitamin-mineral supplement for your wife.  A bit of Vitamin
C (1-3 grams) could be supplemented separately (it contains only 100mg of
it). It's good to take glucosamine. Consider natural progesterone cream also.

OsteoPrime Forte
120 tabs or caps
Dosage 4 tabs/day (2 + 2 with meals)

Calcium (7 different salts)600mg
Magnesium (2 salts)250mg
Zinc 20mg
Copper  2mg
Manganese  20mg
Silica1mg
Boron2mg
Strontium (non radioactive) 500mcg
Selenium  100mcg
Chromium 200mcg
Molibdenum50mcg
Vitamin K  300mcg
Vitamin D 200IU
Vitamin B120mg
Vitamin B220mg
Vitamin B350mg
Vitamin B520mg
Vitamin B625mg
Folic Acid  800mcg
Vitamin B12 20mcg
Betaine HCL 20 mg
Vitamin C100mg

Please be sure to use OsteoPrime FORTE because there is also a version
called OsteoPrime only that has lower dosages of the nutrients.

Hope this help
Best

Raul Vergini

At 20.22 28/07/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Dear Dr. Vergini,
>Thank you for your information.  We are going to take your advice.  For
>those who are interested, the best site I found for this product costs
>$14 per l20 caps or tabs (1 month supply), as compared to other sites at
>$19 or $20.  For orders over $50 shipping is free.  This is the url for
>Vitanet:   http://st1.yahoo.com/vitanet/phytopharmica.html
>
>I have one question.  Is this a complete vitamin-mineral supplement, or
>will my wife need to take an other supplement with it?  She also takes
>Glucosamine Sulfate DS from Biomax.  
>
>Thank you so much for your help.  John


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Re: CS>osteoporosis aids

1999-07-28 Thread Raul Vergini, MD
Dear John,
I think that one of the best products for osteoporosis (together with natural
progesterone cream) is OsteoPrime Forte made by BioTherapeutics/PhytoPharmica.
You should be able to find it on the web. I use it with my patients with very
good results. It is a vitamin-mineral supplement created expressely for
osteoporosis. It was formulated by Alan Gaby,MD & Johnatan Wright,MD two
well-known doctors in nutritional medicine.
Hope this help
Best
Raul Vergini,MD - Italy




-Original Message-
From: johnphil 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 10:57 PM
Subject: CS>pH

Can someone give me the source forAlkalife mineral drops and Coral
calcium?  My wife has osteoporosis and it I think this might help her.
Thanks. John