Re: CS>RE: CS>DMSO - other side?
Please do post the info if you find it. I'm very interested. TIA, paula Tony Moody wrote: Hi James, Nah, the massive doses of DMSO (10 g/kg of bunny over 3 months made them slightly shortsighted but did NOT affect opacity. Also the bunnies had been used for a previous experiment involving laxative (from memory) which might have "distorted" the results. I'll find that and scan it. But you are probably right about the rest. Tony -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>RE: CS>DMSO - other side?
In this regard, those who follow nanotechnology will know that ENORMOUS interest is generated by various nano-tech proposals for new ways to deliver drugs to to various sites in the body. My layman's reading suggests that DMSO is capable of doing many of the tasks that a variety of novel devices are supposed to be able to do -- mostly as some undetermined future time. As always, though, the available non-approved alternative is unpatentable and not terribly lucrative, whereas the new magic bullet gets the dollar signs lighting up in the brains of businessmen and investors. JBB On Monday, May 3, 2004, at 22:25 Asia/Tokyo, Richard Harris wrote: Thanks for your valuable input, JOH & Garnet, together with the other knowledgable Experts on this wonderful Site that shares helpful knowledge and information with "us seekers"! I read the Rabbit bit about DMSO & haven't been able to find it, but seem to recall that the eye-cloudiness disappeared after discontinuing use of DMSO and the rabbits eyes returned to normal. I still maintain that DMSO was aptly and truthfully described in Pat McGrady's book, "The Persecuted Drug--the Story of DMSO". I consider DMSO and CS as 2 special gifts from God that have been proven to my satisfaction to have safe special uses and abilities NOT enjoyed by any other items I know. Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 11:31 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>RE: CS>DMSO - other side? There was one study where massive amounts of DMSO were given to rabbits. They developed cloudy areas in the lens. No one has been able to make it happen again. Most think it is a scam to discredit a cheap and effective substance. JOH -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 5:26 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>DMSO - other side? Garnet, Can you point me to any details about the ocular effects in rabbits? I use a little DMSO in my nebulizing and ear drop mix for my bunny, and sure don't want to hurt his eyes. Were those tests done actually putting DMSO into the eyes? My little guy is deaf, so he certainly doesn't need his vision impaired. paula Garnet wrote: (DMSO) It was banned for human use when it was found in the 60's to have ocular effects in rabbits, the standard lab model for eyes. Well it does not do this to primates or humans. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>RE: CS>DMSO - other side?
Seems like osmotic pressure may have distorted the eyeball. I wonder if they were monitoring intraocular pressures? JOH -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:54 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>RE: CS>DMSO - other side? From: DMSO Nature's Miracle by Walker 5 mg/kg for 90 days caused refractive index changes but not lens opacity, the animals became slightly nearsighted at a dose 50-100 times that the usual human therapeutic dose. The problem diminished as the dose was reduced. The tests on primates showed none of these effects and seems limited to rabbits, dogs and pigs at high doses. DMSO Nature's Miracle by Walker pp79 "No changes in refraction or translucense of the lens or any other abnormalities were noted in any animal [primates] before, druing or 18 weeks after any drug administration." Dr JC de la Torre, Department of Neurosurgery (r-35), Univeristy of Miami School of Medicine, PI Box 076960 Miami, FA 33101. Reprint available. Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health Vol 7, March 1981 It seems that in extremely high doses for prolonger periods dogs, pigs and rabbits may show some changes. But these dosages are not therapeutic and no such effects were seen in primates or humans. Even the changes in rabbits, known to be very sensitive and therefore the model for such experiments, were only found at very high doses for many months. Garnet On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 07:24, Tony Moody wrote: > Hi James, > Nah, the massive doses of DMSO (10 g/kg of bunny over 3 months > made them slightly shortsighted but did NOT affect opacity. Also the > bunnies had been used for a previous experiment involving laxative > (from memory) which might have "distorted" the results. I'll find that > and scan it. > > But you are probably right about the rest. > Tony > > On 2 May 2004 at 21:31, James Holmes wrote: > > > There was one study where massive amounts of DMSO were given to > > rabbits. They developed cloudy areas in the lens. > > > > No one has been able to make it happen again. > > > > Most think it is a scam to discredit a cheap and effective > > substance. > > > > JOH > > > > -Original Message- > > From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] > > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 5:26 PM > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: CS>DMSO - other side? > > > > > > Garnet, > > Can you point me to any details about the ocular effects in rabbits? > > I > > use a little DMSO in my nebulizing and ear drop mix for my bunny, and > > sure don't want to hurt his eyes. Were those tests done actually > > putting DMSO into the eyes? My little guy is deaf, so he certainly > > doesn't need his vision impaired. paula > > > > Garnet wrote: > > > > >(DMSO) It was banned for human use when it was found in the 60's to > > >have ocular effects in rabbits, the standard lab model for eyes. > > >Well it does not do this to primates or humans. > > > > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List > archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT > Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
RE: CS>RE: CS>DMSO - other side?
Hello Tony, Perhaps there were two studies. JOH -Original Message- From: Tony Moody [mailto:a...@new.co.za] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 6:25 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>RE: CS>DMSO - other side? Hi James, Nah, the massive doses of DMSO (10 g/kg of bunny over 3 months made them slightly shortsighted but did NOT affect opacity. Also the bunnies had been used for a previous experiment involving laxative (from memory) which might have "distorted" the results. I'll find that and scan it. But you are probably right about the rest. Tony On 2 May 2004 at 21:31, James Holmes wrote: > There was one study where massive amounts of DMSO were given to > rabbits. They developed cloudy areas in the lens. > > No one has been able to make it happen again. > > Most think it is a scam to discredit a cheap and effective substance. > > JOH > > -Original Message- > From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 5:26 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>DMSO - other side? > > > Garnet, > Can you point me to any details about the ocular effects in rabbits? > I > use a little DMSO in my nebulizing and ear drop mix for my bunny, and > sure don't want to hurt his eyes. Were those tests done actually > putting DMSO into the eyes? My little guy is deaf, so he certainly > doesn't need his vision impaired. paula > > Garnet wrote: > > >(DMSO) It was banned for human use when it was found in the 60's to > >have ocular effects in rabbits, the standard lab model for eyes. Well > >it does not do this to primates or humans. > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>RE: CS>DMSO - other side?
From: DMSO Nature's Miracle by Walker 5 mg/kg for 90 days caused refractive index changes but not lens opacity, the animals became slightly nearsighted at a dose 50-100 times that the usual human therapeutic dose. The problem diminished as the dose was reduced. The tests on primates showed none of these effects and seems limited to rabbits, dogs and pigs at high doses. DMSO Nature's Miracle by Walker pp79 "No changes in refraction or translucense of the lens or any other abnormalities were noted in any animal [primates] before, druing or 18 weeks after any drug administration." Dr JC de la Torre, Department of Neurosurgery (r-35), Univeristy of Miami School of Medicine, PI Box 076960 Miami, FA 33101. Reprint available. Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health Vol 7, March 1981 It seems that in extremely high doses for prolonger periods dogs, pigs and rabbits may show some changes. But these dosages are not therapeutic and no such effects were seen in primates or humans. Even the changes in rabbits, known to be very sensitive and therefore the model for such experiments, were only found at very high doses for many months. Garnet On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 07:24, Tony Moody wrote: > Hi James, > Nah, the massive doses of DMSO (10 g/kg of bunny over 3 months > made them slightly shortsighted but did NOT affect opacity. Also the > bunnies had been used for a previous experiment involving laxative > (from memory) which might have "distorted" the results. I'll find that > and scan it. > > But you are probably right about the rest. > Tony > > On 2 May 2004 at 21:31, James Holmes wrote: > > > There was one study where massive amounts of DMSO were given to > > rabbits. They developed cloudy areas in the lens. > > > > No one has been able to make it happen again. > > > > Most think it is a scam to discredit a cheap and effective substance. > > > > JOH > > > > -Original Message- > > From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] > > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 5:26 PM > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: Re: CS>DMSO - other side? > > > > > > Garnet, > > Can you point me to any details about the ocular effects in rabbits? > > I > > use a little DMSO in my nebulizing and ear drop mix for my bunny, and > > sure don't want to hurt his eyes. Were those tests done actually > > putting DMSO into the eyes? My little guy is deaf, so he certainly > > doesn't need his vision impaired. paula > > > > Garnet wrote: > > > > >(DMSO) It was banned for human use when it was found in the 60's to > > >have ocular effects in rabbits, the standard lab model for eyes. Well > > > it does not do this to primates or humans. > > > > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
RE: CS>RE: CS>DMSO - other side?
Thanks for your valuable input, JOH & Garnet, together with the other knowledgable Experts on this wonderful Site that shares helpful knowledge and information with "us seekers"! I read the Rabbit bit about DMSO & haven't been able to find it, but seem to recall that the eye-cloudiness disappeared after discontinuing use of DMSO and the rabbits eyes returned to normal. I still maintain that DMSO was aptly and truthfully described in Pat McGrady's book, "The Persecuted Drug--the Story of DMSO". I consider DMSO and CS as 2 special gifts from God that have been proven to my satisfaction to have safe special uses and abilities NOT enjoyed by any other items I know. Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 11:31 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>RE: CS>DMSO - other side? There was one study where massive amounts of DMSO were given to rabbits. They developed cloudy areas in the lens. No one has been able to make it happen again. Most think it is a scam to discredit a cheap and effective substance. JOH -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 5:26 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>DMSO - other side? Garnet, Can you point me to any details about the ocular effects in rabbits? I use a little DMSO in my nebulizing and ear drop mix for my bunny, and sure don't want to hurt his eyes. Were those tests done actually putting DMSO into the eyes? My little guy is deaf, so he certainly doesn't need his vision impaired. paula Garnet wrote: >(DMSO) It was banned for human use when it was found in the 60's to >have ocular effects in rabbits, the standard lab model for eyes. Well >it does not do this to primates or humans. > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>RE: CS>DMSO - other side?
Hi James, Nah, the massive doses of DMSO (10 g/kg of bunny over 3 months made them slightly shortsighted but did NOT affect opacity. Also the bunnies had been used for a previous experiment involving laxative (from memory) which might have "distorted" the results. I'll find that and scan it. But you are probably right about the rest. Tony On 2 May 2004 at 21:31, James Holmes wrote: > There was one study where massive amounts of DMSO were given to > rabbits. They developed cloudy areas in the lens. > > No one has been able to make it happen again. > > Most think it is a scam to discredit a cheap and effective substance. > > JOH > > -Original Message- > From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 5:26 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>DMSO - other side? > > > Garnet, > Can you point me to any details about the ocular effects in rabbits? > I > use a little DMSO in my nebulizing and ear drop mix for my bunny, and > sure don't want to hurt his eyes. Were those tests done actually > putting DMSO into the eyes? My little guy is deaf, so he certainly > doesn't need his vision impaired. paula > > Garnet wrote: > > >(DMSO) It was banned for human use when it was found in the 60's to > >have ocular effects in rabbits, the standard lab model for eyes. Well > > it does not do this to primates or humans. > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>RE: CS>DMSO - other side?
The effect in rabbits was real. But it was proven not to occur in primates or humans. Garnet On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 22:31, James Holmes wrote: > There was one study where massive amounts of DMSO were given to rabbits. > They developed cloudy areas in the lens. > > No one has been able to make it happen again. > > Most think it is a scam to discredit a cheap and effective substance. > > JOH > > -Original Message- > From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 5:26 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>DMSO - other side? > > > Garnet, > Can you point me to any details about the ocular effects in rabbits? I > use a little DMSO in my nebulizing and ear drop mix for my bunny, and > sure don't want to hurt his eyes. Were those tests done actually putting > DMSO into the eyes? My little guy is deaf, so he certainly doesn't need > his vision impaired. > paula > > Garnet wrote: > > >(DMSO) It was banned for human use when it was found in the 60's to > >have ocular effects in rabbits, the standard lab model for eyes. Well > >it does not do this to primates or humans. > > > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: > http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
