Re: CS>Re: Help please

2010-10-18 Thread Ode Coyote 



An adequate distance depends on what else you are doing.
*Everything* is interdependent.

Ode


At 05:50 AM 10/15/2010 -0700, you wrote:
I stand corrected.  Also I said that the rods "should be a minimum of 2 
inches apart" -- and I should have said that 2" apart is the *ideal* 
distance, not the minimum.  Obviously 1-1/2" is OK too -- but l" apart is 
too close.  And that was my real point.

MA


From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 6:39:41 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: Help please

I have a Silver puppy and the rods are automatically set to one and a half 
inches apart.  dee


On 15 Oct 2010, at 02:18, MaryAnn Helland wrote:

> Hi Melly.  It's my understanding that the rods should be a minimum of 
two inches apart -- I hang mine on either side of the opening of a Ball 
quart jar.  I also bend the rods back a little so that they bow away from 
each other.  What kind of generator are you using?  Sounds to me like you 
have runaway brewing going on.

>


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Re: CS>Re: Help please

2010-10-15 Thread Dan Nave 
The other thing, as several people have noted, is that if if the process
worked previously and none of your conditions have changed (same type and
amount of water, same amount of brewing time, etc) then check for
contamination of the wires or the jar from touching with your fingers, etc.
In other words, don't touch any of these things with your bare fingers, and
clean them with hydrogen peroxide and rinse with distilled water.  Use plain
white paper towels to clean or touch the electrodes or jar.

Dan

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Dan Nave  wrote:

> The Utopia Silver generator appears to be a (non current regulated) voltage
> supply with a timer.  Since CS or EIS making is notoriously variable, and as
> the process with no current regulation increases its production of silver
> output into the solution exponentially as the process continues, you can
> easily overshoot the time when you should have stopped brewing and end up
> with too strong of a silver solution.  With that process, you don't know
> what you have as an end product in terms of ppm of silver.
>
> If you standardize your brewing process, always using the same brand of
> distilled water at the same temperature, the same volume of water, and the
> same time on the timer, you should be able to get a fairly consistent
> product.  If you change any of these variables you have to re-figure out
> everything.
>
> Try reducing the time until your final product just gets a slight yellow
> tint, like diluted urine, when it is stabilized.  You can either use this
> timing, or back off slightly until you get a more colorless product.
>
> Dan
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:27 AM,  wrote:
>
>>   Hi, I also have Utopia silver and have same problem as
>> Melly. colored/cloudy.   I noticed one rod was overly eroded gathering lots
>> fusses but other rod with smooth surface has no particles around.  Is it
>> safe to drink the solution?
>>
>> I wonder how do you clean the glass/rod before blewing?  I use tap water
>> to clean then rinse with silver water. is it ok?
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 10/14/10, jaxi * wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: jaxi 
>> Subject: Re: CS>Re: Help please
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 6:11 PM
>>
>> Might help if you specify what brand maker you have or if you made it
>> yourself and if so batteries or AC current.
>>
>> Of course I have been known to be wrong.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Melly Bag 
>> http://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tita_...@yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>   Hi Experts,
>>
>> I brewed EIS today, the silver rods one inch apart.  But i think it is
>> short  from the bottom of the Ball quart jar.  It is color brown and
>> cloudy again with plenty of silver floating on top and fuss at the bottom.
>> Worse still, first time it happened to me, while rinsing and cleaning the
>> rods, i noticed that one had a "waist" like it was overly eroded at that
>> part and ready to break off.  The jar got very warm and so with the rods.
>>
>> What did i do wrong?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Melly
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 10/14/10, 
>> silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com<http://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com>
>> http://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: 
>> silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com<http://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com><
>> silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com<http://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com>
>> >
>> Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #834
>> To: 
>> silver-dig...@eskimo.com<http://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-dig...@eskimo.com>
>> Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 2:30 PM
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: CS>Re: Help please

2010-10-15 Thread Marshall Dudley 
 Since power is I*V then actually too much voltage across too little 
resistance, or too much current across too much resistance produces more 
power. The other formulas are I^2*R and V/(R^2)


On 10/15/2010 7:30 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:


  Too much current across too little resistance turns into heat.
Increasing distance between the electrodes increases resistance and 
reduces current.
There are easier ways to control current without using the constantly 
changing CS as the resistor..like, with a potentiometer, or a current 
control diode, a voltage regulator wired to be a current regulator, or 
transistor feedback circuit.

Then you need to know when to stop and a timer won't generally tell you
that.

If all this is over your head, you need a generator that does it for 
you, automatically.


Ode



At 03:54 PM 10/14/2010 -0700, you wrote:

Hi Experts,

I brewed EIS today, the silver rods one inch apart.  But i think it 
is short  from the bottom of the Ball quart jar.  It is color brown 
and cloudy again with plenty of silver floating on top and fuss at 
the bottom.  Worse still, first time it happened to me, while rinsing 
and cleaning the rods, i noticed that one had a "waist" like it was 
overly eroded at that part and ready to break off.  The jar got very 
warm and so with the rods.


What did i do wrong?

Thanks.

Melly



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From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 


Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #834
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 2:30 PM



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Re: CS>Re: Help please

2010-10-15 Thread Dan Nave 
The Utopia Silver generator appears to be a (non current regulated) voltage
supply with a timer.  Since CS or EIS making is notoriously variable, and as
the process with no current regulation increases its production of silver
output into the solution exponentially as the process continues, you can
easily overshoot the time when you should have stopped brewing and end up
with too strong of a silver solution.  With that process, you don't know
what you have as an end product in terms of ppm of silver.

If you standardize your brewing process, always using the same brand of
distilled water at the same temperature, the same volume of water, and the
same time on the timer, you should be able to get a fairly consistent
product.  If you change any of these variables you have to re-figure out
everything.

Try reducing the time until your final product just gets a slight yellow
tint, like diluted urine, when it is stabilized.  You can either use this
timing, or back off slightly until you get a more colorless product.

Dan

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:27 AM,  wrote:

>   Hi, I also have Utopia silver and have same problem as
> Melly. colored/cloudy.   I noticed one rod was overly eroded gathering lots
> fusses but other rod with smooth surface has no particles around.  Is it
> safe to drink the solution?
>
> I wonder how do you clean the glass/rod before blewing?  I use tap water to
> clean then rinse with silver water. is it ok?
>
> --- On *Thu, 10/14/10, jaxi * wrote:
>
>
> From: jaxi 
> Subject: Re: CS>Re: Help please
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 6:11 PM
>
> Might help if you specify what brand maker you have or if you made it
> yourself and if so batteries or AC current.
>
> Of course I have been known to be wrong.
>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Melly Bag 
> http://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tita_...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
>   Hi Experts,
>
> I brewed EIS today, the silver rods one inch apart.  But i think it is
> short  from the bottom of the Ball quart jar.  It is color brown and
> cloudy again with plenty of silver floating on top and fuss at the bottom.
> Worse still, first time it happened to me, while rinsing and cleaning the
> rods, i noticed that one had a "waist" like it was overly eroded at that
> part and ready to break off.  The jar got very warm and so with the rods.
>
> What did i do wrong?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Melly
>
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 10/14/10, 
> silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com<http://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com>
> http://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: 
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> silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com<http://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com>
> >
> Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #834
> To: 
> silver-dig...@eskimo.com<http://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-dig...@eskimo.com>
> Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 2:30 PM
>
>
>

Re: CS>Re: Help please

2010-10-15 Thread MaryAnn Helland 
That might be your problem -- you shouldn't be contaminating your glass or your 
rods by washing them with tap water.  You only need to wipe the silver rods off 
with a paper towel -- and once in awhile, wipe out the inside of your brewing 
jar the same way -- with a paper towel.  I wouldn't drink it, myself.
MA





From: "dingyun...@att.net" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 12:27:33 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: Help please


Hi, I also have Utopia silver and have same problem as Melly. colored/cloudy.  
 I noticed one rod was overly eroded gathering lots fusses but other rod with 
smooth surface has no particles around.  Is it safe to drink the solution?  


I wonder how do you clean the glass/rod before blewing?  I use tap water to 
clean then rinse with silver water. is it ok?  


--- On Thu, 10/14/10, jaxi  wrote:


>From: jaxi 
>Subject: Re: CS>Re: Help please
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 6:11 PM
>
>
>Might help if you specify what brand maker you have or if you made it yourself 
>and if so batteries or AC current. 
>
>
>
>Of course I have been known to be wrong.
>
>
>On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Melly Bag  wrote:
>
>Hi Experts,
>>
>>I brewed EIS today, the silver rods one inch apart.  But i think it is short 
>> from the bottom of the Ball quart jar.  It is color brown and cloudy again 
>>with 
>>plenty of silver floating on top and fuss at the bottom.  Worse still, first 
>>time it happened to me, while rinsing and cleaning the rods, i noticed that 
>>one 
>>had a "waist" like it was overly eroded at that part and ready to break off.  
>>The jar got very warm and so with the rods.
>>
>>What did i do wrong?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Melly
>>
>>
>>
>>--- On Thu, 10/14/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
>>>Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #834
>>>To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
>>>Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 2:30 PM
>>>
>>> 
>

Re: CS>Re: Help please

2010-10-15 Thread MaryAnn Helland 
I stand corrected.  Also I said that the rods "should be a minimum of 2 inches 
apart" -- and I should have said that 2" apart is the *ideal* distance, not the 
minimum.  Obviously 1-1/2" is OK too -- but l" apart is too close.  And that 
was 
my real point.
MA





From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 6:39:41 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: Help please

I have a Silver puppy and the rods are automatically set to one and a half 
inches apart.  dee

On 15 Oct 2010, at 02:18, MaryAnn Helland wrote:

> Hi Melly.  It's my understanding that the rods should be a minimum of two 
>inches apart -- I hang mine on either side of the opening of a Ball quart 
>jar.  
>I also bend the rods back a little so that they bow away from each other.  
>What 
>kind of generator are you using?  Sounds to me like you have runaway brewing 
>going on.
>  


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Re: CS>Re: Help please

2010-10-15 Thread Ode Coyote 


  Too much current across too little resistance turns into heat.
Increasing distance between the electrodes increases resistance and reduces 
current.
There are easier ways to control current without using the constantly 
changing CS as the resistor..like, with a potentiometer, or a current 
control diode, a voltage regulator wired to be a current regulator, or 
transistor feedback circuit.

Then you need to know when to stop and a timer won't generally tell you that.

If all this is over your head, you need a generator that does it for you, 
automatically.


Ode



At 03:54 PM 10/14/2010 -0700, you wrote:

Hi Experts,

I brewed EIS today, the silver rods one inch apart.  But i think it is 
short  from the bottom of the Ball quart jar.  It is color brown and 
cloudy again with plenty of silver floating on top and fuss at the 
bottom.  Worse still, first time it happened to me, while rinsing and 
cleaning the rods, i noticed that one had a "waist" like it was overly 
eroded at that part and ready to break off.  The jar got very warm and so 
with the rods.


What did i do wrong?

Thanks.

Melly



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Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #834
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 2:30 PM



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Re: CS>Re: Help please

2010-10-15 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
I have a Silver puppy and the rods are automatically set to one and a half 
inches apart.  dee

On 15 Oct 2010, at 02:18, MaryAnn Helland wrote:

> Hi Melly.  It's my understanding that the rods should be a minimum of two 
> inches apart -- I hang mine on either side of the opening of a Ball quart 
> jar.  I also bend the rods back a little so that they bow away from each 
> other.  What kind of generator are you using?  Sounds to me like you have 
> runaway brewing going on.
>  


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Re: CS>Re: Help please

2010-10-14 Thread dingyung49 
Hi, I also have Utopia silver and have same problem as Melly. colored/cloudy.   
I noticed one rod was overly eroded gathering lots fusses but other rod with 
smooth surface has no particles around.  Is it safe to drink the solution?  
 
I wonder how do you clean the glass/rod before blewing?  I use tap water to 
clean then rinse with silver water. is it ok?  
 
--- On Thu, 10/14/10, jaxi  wrote:


From: jaxi 
Subject: Re: CS>Re: Help please
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 6:11 PM


Might help if you specify what brand maker you have or if you made it yourself 
and if so batteries or AC current.


Of course I have been known to be wrong.


On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Melly Bag  wrote:






Hi Experts,
 
I brewed EIS today, the silver rods one inch apart.  But i think it is short  
from the bottom of the Ball quart jar.  It is color brown and cloudy again with 
plenty of silver floating on top and fuss at the bottom.  Worse still, first 
time it happened to me, while rinsing and cleaning the rods, i noticed that one 
had a "waist" like it was overly eroded at that part and ready to break off.  
The jar got very warm and so with the rods.
 
What did i do wrong?
 
Thanks.
 
Melly
 


--- On Thu, 10/14/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
 wrote:


From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #834
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 2:30 PM

Re: CS>Re: Help please

2010-10-14 Thread MaryAnn Helland 
Hi Melly.  It's my understanding that the rods should be a minimum of two 
inches 
apart -- I hang mine on either side of the opening of a Ball quart jar.  I also 
bend the rods back a little so that they bow away from each other.  What kind 
of 
generator are you using?  Sounds to me like you have runaway brewing going on.

It is normal for the electrodes to develop a narrowing as the silver particles 
move from the bars to the water.  And they will narrow where the silver bars 
are 
closest to each other.  The fact that yours is narrowing in the center (the 
waist that you described) is probably a result of the bars being too close 
together.  Mine narrow slightly at the center (over a year's time), but mostly 
they narrow at the bottom of the bars, not at the center.

I have never, ever had my brewing jar change temperature -- i.e. *get warm*.  
Don't know what's up with that!  :-( 
MA





From: Melly Bag 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 5:54:21 PM
Subject: CS>Re: Help please


Hi Experts,

I brewed EIS today, the silver rods one inch apart.  But i think it is short 
 from the bottom of the Ball quart jar.  It is color brown and cloudy again 
with 
plenty of silver floating on top and fuss at the bottom.  Worse still, first 
time it happened to me, while rinsing and cleaning the rods, i noticed that one 
had a "waist" like it was overly eroded at that part and ready to break off.  
The jar got very warm and so with the rods.

What did i do wrong?

Thanks.

Melly



--- On Thu, 10/14/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
 wrote:


>From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
>Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #834
>To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
>Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 2:30 PM
>
>

Re: CS>Re: Help please

2010-10-14 Thread jaxi 
Might help if you specify what brand maker you have or if you made it
yourself and if so batteries or AC current.

Of course I have been known to be wrong.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Melly Bag  wrote:

> Hi Experts,
>
> I brewed EIS today, the silver rods one inch apart.  But i think it is
> short  from the bottom of the Ball quart jar.  It is color brown and
> cloudy again with plenty of silver floating on top and fuss at the bottom.
> Worse still, first time it happened to me, while rinsing and cleaning the
> rods, i noticed that one had a "waist" like it was overly eroded at that
> part and ready to break off.  The jar got very warm and so with the rods.
>
> What did i do wrong?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Melly
>
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 10/14/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com <
> silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
> Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #834
> To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
> Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 2:30 PM
>
>