RE: CS>Silver and a goat
Well, in the time honored tradition - you may have to practice (medicine)... to see what works. Dan -Original Message- From: Camelot Farms [mailto:camelotfa...@peoplepc.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Silver and a goat The Goat is young approximately 8 month's. I have spoken with University of Tennessee Vets and I monitor his temperature 2 x day. He is getting antibiotics suggested by University of Tennessee Vets. They are a 60 mile drive one way. Local vets. We'll I have not found knowledgeable and caring so far. My husband went to get an antitoxin and then sent a toxoid. \I honestly do not have faith in them. I have raised horses for 25 years and have the equivalent of a vet tech from the state I lived in before. Temp was down to 101.2 this a.m. and was at 102.3 last night. It has been as high as 103.2. If he needs fluids I can administer same. I agree a vet would be in order, but I hesitate at the talent available here. By the way on my EPM horse in order to get her a new prescription he stressed the hell out of her. I don't believe he understands the disease. So back to vets. Can't find one that I trust so far. I have far more stories when we used vet services here. A mare with a hole down to the bone that they charged a lot for but could not cure . CS brought her back. The last time I really tried a vet. Sorry for my ramblings, but I have no faith and fear more harm than good. Mary Ellen Fox Camelot Farms Arabians Parrottsville, Tennessee, USA home of: CCS Hilm Tahakkak 86.45% Crabbet bred stallion http://www.camelotfarmsarabians.com - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:19 PM Subject: CS>Silver and a goat > Hi, > > How old is this sick goat? Too young to ruminate? > > I have used colloidal silver on a baby goat before and it seemed to work. > > Another question, if the rumen is dead, wouldn't probiotics help an older > goat? > > Lots of unanswered questions and ones that would have to be addressed > before > you could possibly treat it. The vet would ask many questions. > Temperature > would be my vet's first question, then what have I done to treat my goat, > what are the symptoms and many more questions. An animal can't talk. > > Seems to me a vet would be in order. > > Jean > > * >> >> "Like cow's milk, *goat's* milk is low in essential fatty acids, because >> *goats* also have EFA-destroying bacteria in their *ruminant* stomachs. >> *..." goats are ruminant animals, >> that is they feed, then they bring the food back up, and chew it to >> digest it. giving the goat eis would destroy the stomach's good >> bacteria, and it would not digest its food. >> > jim > >> >> marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: >> >>>> I am new to the silver list. We have a very sick goat. Is there any >>>> reason >>>> why cs can not be used on a goat? >>>> Mary Ellen >>>> > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Silver and a goat
Well, in the time honored tradition - you may have to practice (CS/EIS)... to see what works. Dan -Original Message- From: Camelot Farms [mailto:camelotfa...@peoplepc.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Silver and a goat The Goat is young approximately 8 month's. I have spoken with University of Tennessee Vets and I monitor his temperature 2 x day. He is getting antibiotics suggested by University of Tennessee Vets. They are a 60 mile drive one way. Local vets. We'll I have not found knowledgeable and caring so far. My husband went to get an antitoxin and then sent a toxoid. \I honestly do not have faith in them. I have raised horses for 25 years and have the equivalent of a vet tech from the state I lived in before. Temp was down to 101.2 this a.m. and was at 102.3 last night. It has been as high as 103.2. If he needs fluids I can administer same. I agree a vet would be in order, but I hesitate at the talent available here. By the way on my EPM horse in order to get her a new prescription he stressed the hell out of her. I don't believe he understands the disease. So back to vets. Can't find one that I trust so far. I have far more stories when we used vet services here. A mare with a hole down to the bone that they charged a lot for but could not cure . CS brought her back. The last time I really tried a vet. Sorry for my ramblings, but I have no faith and fear more harm than good. Mary Ellen Fox Camelot Farms Arabians Parrottsville, Tennessee, USA home of: CCS Hilm Tahakkak 86.45% Crabbet bred stallion http://www.camelotfarmsarabians.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver and a goat
The Goat is young approximately 8 month's. I have spoken with University of Tennessee Vets and I monitor his temperature 2 x day. He is getting antibiotics suggested by University of Tennessee Vets. They are a 60 mile drive one way. Local vets. We'll I have not found knowledgeable and caring so far. My husband went to get an antitoxin and then sent a toxoid. \I honestly do not have faith in them. I have raised horses for 25 years and have the equivalent of a vet tech from the state I lived in before. Temp was down to 101.2 this a.m. and was at 102.3 last night. It has been as high as 103.2. If he needs fluids I can administer same. I agree a vet would be in order, but I hesitate at the talent available here. By the way on my EPM horse in order to get her a new prescription he stressed the hell out of her. I don't believe he understands the disease. So back to vets. Can't find one that I trust so far. I have far more stories when we used vet services here. A mare with a hole down to the bone that they charged a lot for but could not cure . CS brought her back. The last time I really tried a vet. Sorry for my ramblings, but I have no faith and fear more harm than good. Mary Ellen Fox Camelot Farms Arabians Parrottsville, Tennessee, USA home of: CCS Hilm Tahakkak 86.45% Crabbet bred stallion http://www.camelotfarmsarabians.com - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:19 PM Subject: CS>Silver and a goat Hi, How old is this sick goat? Too young to ruminate? I have used colloidal silver on a baby goat before and it seemed to work. Another question, if the rumen is dead, wouldn't probiotics help an older goat? Lots of unanswered questions and ones that would have to be addressed before you could possibly treat it. The vet would ask many questions. Temperature would be my vet's first question, then what have I done to treat my goat, what are the symptoms and many more questions. An animal can't talk. Seems to me a vet would be in order. Jean * "Like cow's milk, *goat's* milk is low in essential fatty acids, because *goats* also have EFA-destroying bacteria in their *ruminant* stomachs. *..." goats are ruminant animals, that is they feed, then they bring the food back up, and chew it to digest it. giving the goat eis would destroy the stomach's good bacteria, and it would not digest its food. > jim marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: I am new to the silver list. We have a very sick goat. Is there any reason why cs can not be used on a goat? Mary Ellen -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver and a goat
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:06:43 -5, M. G. Devour wrote in <452387b3.5815.2d5...@localhost>: >The first question is: Are goats ruminants? YES! Just like to cows, CS should not be given to goats internally. It can be used on wounds and injected into the udder, but should not go through the stomach system, where it would destroy the bacteria that convert grass to protein (this is how the ruminants live on otherwise indigestible material). Misting, as I read on this list a few days ago, could be a good idea if the mist reaches the site of the infection. >If therepeutic doses of CS would disrupt their gut function, it could >be traumatic and make matters worse. Heidrun Beer Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training http://www.sgmt.at -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver and a goat
"Like cow's milk, *goat's* milk is low in essential fatty acids, because *goats* also have EFA-destroying bacteria in their *ruminant* stomachs. *..." goats are ruminant animals, that is they feed, then they bring the food back up, and chew it to digest it. giving the goat eis would destroy the stomach's good bacteria, and it would not digest its food. * Also, there is the Silver Pets list over at Yahoo. They are likelier to have someone with direct experience with goats and CS... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SilverPets/ jim marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: I am new to the silver list. We have a very sick goat. Is there any reason why cs can not be used on a goat? Mary Ellen Folks -- I suggested that Mary Ellen come to this list for help with her goat. No one has responded. She needs help quickly. Isn't there anyone here who can answer her questions?MA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver and a goat
The first question is: Are goats ruminants? If therepeutic doses of CS would disrupt their gut function, it could be traumatic and make matters worse. Is there the equivalent to probiotics for goats? Also, there is the Silver Pets list over at Yahoo. They are likelier to have someone with direct experience with goats and CS... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SilverPets/ Please let us know what you're experience is. Be well! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver and a goat
Based on my dogs and cats, just put some CS into the drinking water, my pets don't seem to notice. If it is severe, maybe a few teaspoons orallybut I don't know if goats will have a herxheimer reaction from sudden large doses (resulting in quick die-off of pathogens and release of toxins from them, usually giving fever and loss of appetite). I would try it if the vet had no clueor if you can't afford the vet visit. -- "The real trouble with this world of ours is not that it is an unreaonable world, nor even that it is a reasonable one. The commonest kind of trouble is that it is nearly reasonable, but not quite. Life is not an illogicality, yet it is a trap for logicians. It looks just a little more mathematical and regular than it is; its' exactitude is obvious; but its' inexactitude is hidden, its' wildness lies in wait" --G. K. Chesterton ___ Mark S. Siepak -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Silver and a goat
> I am new to the silver list. We have a very sick goat. Is there any reason > why cs can not be used on a goat? > Mary Ellen Folks -- I suggested that Mary Ellen come to this list for help with her goat. No one has responded. She needs help quickly. Isn't there anyone here who can answer her questions?MA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
