Re: CS>bladder problems

2015-11-13 Thread Patricia

yes, true and I've also lost other product thru the rubber droppers

On 11/13/2015 9:22 AM, Lena Guyot wrote:
It seems to last, but if it has a rubber dropper top, the rubber bulb 
hardens to useless. Léna

On Nov 13, 2015, at 12:20 AM, Jess wrote:

I had nascent iodine in glass bottles that evaporated. How does 
lugols last?





On Nov 12, 2015, at 7:51 PM, Lola Harris <phoenix23...@tds.net 
<mailto:phoenix23...@tds.net>> wrote:


Well, that is worrisome, RaVen.  The FDA seems to be determined to 
keep us as unhealthy
as possible by removing 'good' things from us while pushing 
fluoridated water, toothpaste,

GM foods/crops and questionable vaccines.  Anybody see a pattern here?
Lola
ps.  I get my lugols from Amazon.  Guess I better stock up.  The 
stuff stays good forever.

L.

- Original Message -
From: V <aslra...@gmail.com <mailto:aslra...@gmail.com>>
To: silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 22:22:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: CS>bladder problems

Hi all,
Speaking of iodine -- I've noticed in 4 different local store - they 
all stopped selling those little dark brown bottles of iodine. Has 
this been stopped? I need some and was so surprised of how stores 
stopped selling them. Wonder why.


RaVen




To combat winter blues - I personally recommend Indoor Sunshine® 
Light Bulbs. They made a huge difference with my SAD (Seasonal 
Affective Disorder).

*http://sunshinesciences.com <http://sunshinesciences.com/> *
*/When you order, put /**/raven10/**/ in the coupon box to receive a 
10% Discount on the shopping cart./*


On Nov 12, 2015, at 8:55 PM, Jerry Durand <jdur...@interstellar.com 
<mailto:jdur...@interstellar.com>> wrote:


We have about 1 square inch of kombu* every day.  Plenty of iodine and
other trace minerals in that.

* Kombu is edible kelp from the family Laminariaceae and is widely eaten
in East Asia.


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Re: CS>bladder problems

2015-11-13 Thread Lola Harris
www.mountainroseherbs carries a lovely assortment of droppers, sprayers, 
bottles, jars, pumps etc.I think ebay also carries various droppers.  Shouldn't 
be difficult replacing the droppers on thesebottles, I would think.  There are 
probably other suppliers also.Lola 
https://www.mountainroseherbs.com/catalog/containers/miscellaneous 
- Original Message -
From: Patricia <pcassi...@tx.rr.com>
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 10:30:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: CS>bladder problems

yes, true and I've also lost other
 product thru the rubber droppers 


 On 11/13/2015 9:22 AM, Lena Guyot wrote:
It
 seems to last, but if it has a rubber dropper top, the rubber
 bulb hardens to useless. Léna
On Nov 13, 2015, at 12:20 AM, Jess wrote:I had nascent iodine in glass bottles 
that evaporated.
 How does lugols last?





On Nov 12, 2015, at 7:51 PM, Lola Harris <phoenix23...@tds.net>
 wrote:

Well, that is worrisome, RaVen.  The FDA seems to
 be determined to keep us as unhealthy

as possible by removing 'good' things from us while
 pushing fluoridated water, toothpaste,GM foods/crops and questionable 
vaccines.  Anybody
 see a pattern here?Lola ps.  I get my lugols from Amazon.  Guess I better
 stock up.  The stuff stays good forever.L.
- Original Message -

From: V <aslra...@gmail.com>

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Sent: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 22:22:17 -0500 (EST)

Subject: Re: CS>bladder problems

Hi all,Speaking of iodine -- I've noticed in 4 different
 local store - they all stopped selling those little
 dark brown bottles of iodine. Has this been stopped? I
 need some and was so surprised of how stores stopped
 selling them. Wonder why. 
RaVen



To combat winter blues
 - I personally recommend Indoor Sunshine® Light
 Bulbs. They made a huge difference with my SAD
 (Seasonal Affective Disorder).http://sunshinesciences.com  When you order,
 put raven10 in the
 coupon box to receive a 10% Discount on the
 shopping cart.

On Nov 12, 2015, at 8:55 PM, Jerry Durand <jdur...@interstellar.com>
 wrote:

We have about 1 square inch of kombu* every
 day.  Plenty of iodine and
other trace minerals in that.

* Kombu is edible kelp from the family
 Laminariaceae and is widely eaten
in East Asia.


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Re: CS>bladder problems

2015-11-13 Thread Lena Guyot
It seems to last, but if it has a rubber dropper top, the rubber bulb hardens 
to useless. Léna
On Nov 13, 2015, at 12:20 AM, Jess wrote:

> I had nascent iodine in glass bottles that evaporated. How does lugols last?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 12, 2015, at 7:51 PM, Lola Harris <phoenix23...@tds.net> wrote:
> 
>> Well, that is worrisome, RaVen.  The FDA seems to be determined to keep us 
>> as unhealthy
>> as possible by removing 'good' things from us while pushing fluoridated 
>> water, toothpaste,
>> GM foods/crops and questionable vaccines.  Anybody see a pattern here?
>> Lola
>>  
>> ps.  I get my lugols from Amazon.  Guess I better stock up.  The stuff stays 
>> good forever.
>> L.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: V <aslra...@gmail.com>
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Sent: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 22:22:17 -0500 (EST)
>> Subject: Re: CS>bladder problems
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> Speaking of iodine -- I've noticed in 4 different local store - they all 
>> stopped selling those little dark brown bottles of iodine. Has this been 
>> stopped? I need some and was so surprised of how stores stopped selling 
>> them. Wonder why. 
>> 
>> RaVen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To combat winter blues - I personally recommend Indoor Sunshine® Light 
>> Bulbs. They made a huge difference with my SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder).
>> http://sunshinesciences.com  
>> When you order, put raven10 in the coupon box to receive a 10% Discount on 
>> the shopping cart.
>> 
>> On Nov 12, 2015, at 8:55 PM, Jerry Durand <jdur...@interstellar.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We have about 1 square inch of kombu* every day.  Plenty of iodine and
>> other trace minerals in that.
>> 
>> * Kombu is edible kelp from the family Laminariaceae and is widely eaten
>> in East Asia.
>> 
>> 
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>> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
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Re: CS>bladder problems

2015-11-13 Thread Dee
Hi Shirley, I've been taking 5 drops of nascent iodine per day lately as I am 
hypothyroid.  I used to take more then stopped because I read somewhere that it 
can make hypothyroidism worse.  I decided to ignore this as I am on 
Levothyroxin and wasn't feeling any better.  I decided on the nascent form 
because it is supposed to be more bioavailable.  Any thoughts on this?  Dee

Sent from my iPad

> On 13 Nov 2015, at 01:48, Shirley Reed  wrote:
> 
> It has been my experience  and information that nearly everyone is deficient 
> in iodine.  Fifty years ago and before that iodine was known as the 
> 'universal medicine' and was always prescribed for nearly everything from bad 
> nerves to chilblains to cancer.  It is always helpful in everything though 
> not necessarily a cure.  In large doses it will make fibrocystic breast 
> disease a thing of the past and quickly.  If one does not have enough iodine 
> one cannot have a well-functioning immune system.  Ovarian cysts can 
> disappear practically overnight.  Thyroid conditions, whether over or 
> underactive, need iodine to recover.  Dr. David Brownstein has a book called 
> "Iodine:  Why You Need It:  Why You Can't Live Without It".  You can get a 
> used copy in good condition from www.abebooks.com.  It will tell you in 
> simple language exactly how to use it without worry.  I personally had to 
> take 100 mgs. in a single dose to get one cyst to begin draining.  But it is 
> now gone along with many smaller cousins.  I still take 6 to 8 drops of 5% 
> Lugol's Solution nearly every day to keep cysts at bay.  It works and I feel 
> better that ever before in my life.  I am now 74 years old.   That daily 
> dosage makes an MD cringe but then they don't blink an eye at any vaccine for 
> anybody including newborns.  Too bad.pj 
> 
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Re: CS>bladder problems

2015-11-12 Thread Jerry Durand
We have about 1 square inch of kombu* every day.  Plenty of iodine and
other trace minerals in that.

* Kombu is edible kelp from the family Laminariaceae and is widely eaten
in East Asia.
 

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Re: CS>bladder problems

2015-11-12 Thread Lola Harris
Well, that is worrisome, RaVen.  The FDA seems to be determined to keep us as 
unhealthy
as possible by removing 'good' things from us while pushing fluoridated water, 
toothpaste,GM foods/crops and questionable vaccines.  Anybody see a pattern 
here?Lola ps.  I get my lugols from Amazon.  Guess I better stock up.  The 
stuff stays good forever.L.
- Original Message -
From: V <aslra...@gmail.com>
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 22:22:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: CS>bladder problems

Hi all,Speaking of iodine -- I've noticed in 4 different local store - they all 
stopped selling those little dark brown bottles of iodine. Has this been 
stopped? I need some and was so surprised of how stores stopped selling them. 
Wonder why. 
RaVen



To combat winter blues - I personally recommend Indoor Sunshine® Light Bulbs. 
They made a huge difference with my SAD (Seasonal Affective 
Disorder).http://sunshinesciences.com  When you order, put raven10 in the 
coupon box to receive a 10% Discount on the shopping cart.
On Nov 12, 2015, at 8:55 PM, Jerry Durand <jdur...@interstellar.com> wrote:

We have about 1 square inch of kombu* every day.  Plenty of iodine and
other trace minerals in that.

* Kombu is edible kelp from the family Laminariaceae and is widely eaten
in East Asia.


-- 
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Re: CS>bladder problems

2015-11-12 Thread Gmail
Used in making meth

There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at 
the root.

Henry David Thoreau




> On Nov 12, 2015, at 10:22 PM, V  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Speaking of iodine -- I've noticed in 4 different local store - they all 
> stopped selling those little dark brown bottles of iodine. Has this been 
> stopped? I need some and was so surprised of how stores stopped selling them. 
> Wonder why. 
> 
> RaVen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To combat winter blues - I personally recommend Indoor Sunshine® Light Bulbs. 
> They made a huge difference with my SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder).
> http://sunshinesciences.com  
> When you order, put raven10 in the coupon box to receive a 10% Discount on 
> the shopping cart.
> 
> On Nov 12, 2015, at 8:55 PM, Jerry Durand  wrote:
> 
> We have about 1 square inch of kombu* every day.  Plenty of iodine and
> other trace minerals in that.
> 
> * Kombu is edible kelp from the family Laminariaceae and is widely eaten
> in East Asia.
> 
> 
> -- 
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> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
> 
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Re: CS>bladder problems

2015-11-12 Thread V
Wow --- that's eye opening of what else iodine can be used for, pfft. 
Yeah, I'll be stocking them too - especially now that winter is soon coming -- 

Curious: how many drops of C.S. to put in a gallon of water? Should I be 
worried about opening a new bottle as I wonder how long is water's shelf life 
is? 


RaVen





To combat winter blues - I personally recommend Indoor Sunshine® Light Bulbs. 
They made a huge difference with my SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder).
http://sunshinesciences.com  
When you order, put raven10 in the coupon box to receive a 10% Discount on the 
shopping cart.

On Nov 12, 2015, at 10:52 PM, Gmail  wrote:

Used in making meth

There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at 
the root.
Henry David Thoreau



> On Nov 12, 2015, at 10:22 PM, V  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Speaking of iodine -- I've noticed in 4 different local store - they all 
> stopped selling those little dark brown bottles of iodine. Has this been 
> stopped? I need some and was so surprised of how stores stopped selling them. 
> Wonder why. 
> 
> RaVen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To combat winter blues - I personally recommend Indoor Sunshine® Light Bulbs. 
> They made a huge difference with my SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder).
> http://sunshinesciences.com  
> When you order, put raven10 in the coupon box to receive a 10% Discount on 
> the shopping cart.
> 
> On Nov 12, 2015, at 8:55 PM, Jerry Durand  wrote:
> 
> We have about 1 square inch of kombu* every day.  Plenty of iodine and
> other trace minerals in that.
> 
> * Kombu is edible kelp from the family Laminariaceae and is widely eaten
> in East Asia.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
> 
> 
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Re: CS>bladder problems

2015-11-12 Thread Lola Harris
I don't know about evaporation.  I have several bottles that still look full to 
me.  But... liquid
iodine doesn't expire or go 'bad'.Lola 
- Original Message -
From: Jess <jessi...@optonline.net>
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 00:20:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: CS>bladder problems

I had nascent iodine in glass bottles that evaporated. How does lugols last?




On Nov 12, 2015, at 7:51 PM, Lola Harris <phoenix23...@tds.net> wrote:

Well, that is worrisome, RaVen.  The FDA seems to be determined to keep us as 
unhealthy
as possible by removing 'good' things from us while pushing fluoridated water, 
toothpaste,GM foods/crops and questionable vaccines.  Anybody see a pattern 
here?Lola ps.  I get my lugols from Amazon.  Guess I better stock up.  The 
stuff stays good forever.L.
- Original Message -
From: V <aslra...@gmail.com>
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 22:22:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: CS>bladder problems

Hi all,Speaking of iodine -- I've noticed in 4 different local store - they all 
stopped selling those little dark brown bottles of iodine. Has this been 
stopped? I need some and was so surprised of how stores stopped selling them. 
Wonder why. 
RaVen



To combat winter blues - I personally recommend Indoor Sunshine® Light Bulbs. 
They made a huge difference with my SAD (Seasonal Affective 
Disorder).http://sunshinesciences.com  When you order, put raven10 in the 
coupon box to receive a 10% Discount on the shopping cart.
On Nov 12, 2015, at 8:55 PM, Jerry Durand <jdur...@interstellar.com> wrote:

We have about 1 square inch of kombu* every day.  Plenty of iodine and
other trace minerals in that.

* Kombu is edible kelp from the family Laminariaceae and is widely eaten
in East Asia.


-- 
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Re: CS>bladder problems

2015-11-12 Thread Jess
Pj, does the iodine cause any insomnia or rapid heart rate? Jess




> On Nov 12, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Shirley Reed  wrote:
> 
> It has been my experience  and information that nearly everyone is deficient 
> in iodine.  Fifty years ago and before that iodine was known as the 
> 'universal medicine' and was always prescribed for nearly everything from bad 
> nerves to chilblains to cancer.  It is always helpful in everything though 
> not necessarily a cure.  In large doses it will make fibrocystic breast 
> disease a thing of the past and quickly.  If one does not have enough iodine 
> one cannot have a well-functioning immune system.  Ovarian cysts can 
> disappear practically overnight.  Thyroid conditions, whether over or 
> underactive, need iodine to recover.  Dr. David Brownstein has a book called 
> "Iodine:  Why You Need It:  Why You Can't Live Without It".  You can get a 
> used copy in good condition from www.abebooks.com.  It will tell you in 
> simple language exactly how to use it without worry.  I personally had to 
> take 100 mgs. in a single dose to get one cyst to begin draining.  But it is 
> now gone along with many smaller cousins.  I still take 6 to 8 drops of 5% 
> Lugol's Solution nearly every day to keep cysts at bay.  It works and I feel 
> better that ever before in my life.  I am now 74 years old.   That daily 
> dosage makes an MD cringe but then they don't blink an eye at any vaccine for 
> anybody including newborns.  Too bad.pj 
> 
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Re: CS>bladder problems

2015-11-12 Thread Jerry Durand
The part that evaporates is typically ethyl alcohol, so easy enough to
replace.  A little vodka if nothing else.

On 11/12/2015 10:09 PM, Lola Harris wrote:
> I don't know about evaporation.  I have several bottles that still
> look full to me.  But... liquid
> iodine doesn't expire or go 'bad'.
> Lola
>

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Re: CS>bladder problems

2015-11-12 Thread V
Hi all,
Speaking of iodine -- I've noticed in 4 different local store - they all 
stopped selling those little dark brown bottles of iodine. Has this been 
stopped? I need some and was so surprised of how stores stopped selling them. 
Wonder why. 

RaVen




To combat winter blues - I personally recommend Indoor Sunshine® Light Bulbs. 
They made a huge difference with my SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder).
http://sunshinesciences.com  
When you order, put raven10 in the coupon box to receive a 10% Discount on the 
shopping cart.

On Nov 12, 2015, at 8:55 PM, Jerry Durand  wrote:

We have about 1 square inch of kombu* every day.  Plenty of iodine and
other trace minerals in that.

* Kombu is edible kelp from the family Laminariaceae and is widely eaten
in East Asia.


-- 
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886


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Re: CS>bladder problems

2015-11-12 Thread Jess
I had nascent iodine in glass bottles that evaporated. How does lugols last?




> On Nov 12, 2015, at 7:51 PM, Lola Harris <phoenix23...@tds.net> wrote:
> 
> Well, that is worrisome, RaVen.  The FDA seems to be determined to keep us as 
> unhealthy
> as possible by removing 'good' things from us while pushing fluoridated 
> water, toothpaste,
> GM foods/crops and questionable vaccines.  Anybody see a pattern here?
> Lola
>  
> ps.  I get my lugols from Amazon.  Guess I better stock up.  The stuff stays 
> good forever.
> L.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: V <aslra...@gmail.com>
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 22:22:17 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Re: CS>bladder problems
> 
> Hi all,
> Speaking of iodine -- I've noticed in 4 different local store - they all 
> stopped selling those little dark brown bottles of iodine. Has this been 
> stopped? I need some and was so surprised of how stores stopped selling them. 
> Wonder why. 
> 
> RaVen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To combat winter blues - I personally recommend Indoor Sunshine® Light Bulbs. 
> They made a huge difference with my SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder).
> http://sunshinesciences.com  
> When you order, put raven10 in the coupon box to receive a 10% Discount on 
> the shopping cart.
> 
> On Nov 12, 2015, at 8:55 PM, Jerry Durand <jdur...@interstellar.com> wrote:
> 
> We have about 1 square inch of kombu* every day.  Plenty of iodine and
> other trace minerals in that.
> 
> * Kombu is edible kelp from the family Laminariaceae and is widely eaten
> in East Asia.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.  www.interstellar.com
> tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
> 
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