Re: CS>effective ppm's +GATORADE + ASPARTAME

2006-03-27 Thread Marshall Dudley
Gertrude wrote:

> As you can see,Gatorade also in Europe and
> Mexico... 
> http://www.gatorade.nl/http://www.gatorade.com/home/index.phphttp://www.gatorade.com.mx/http://www.gatorade.be/
>  Trudy.maybe
> we can write the factory to remove the
> aspartamehttp://www.aspartame.info/index.htmlStevia is a better
> choise?
>
>
> Stevia is a much better choice, but it is against the law to sweeten
> foods with stevia.
>
> Marshall
>
>
>  Trudy
>
>  - Original Message -
>  From: Richard
>  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>      Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 7:47 PM
>  Subject: Re: CS>effective ppm's
>   Any alternative to Gatorade as it does not exist in Europe
>  ? What is in it that spikes the cs to perform better
>  ?thanksOn 24/03/2006, at 17:18, Robert Berger wrote:
>
> > The most effective use of EIS is to mix 1/3 EIS with 2/3
> > gatorade. This is a recomemdation from the Eric Harborn
> > reseach foundation in Texas as it takes silver to places
> > where it normally doesn't go. Many have found it very
> > effective.
> > "Ole Bob"
> > gmetrop...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >  Some on the list have stated that low ppm's at 5
> >  ppm is more effective than 10-20ppm taken
> >  throughout the day for a chronic condition with
> >  no chance of agyria. But, scientists have also
> >  said that a concentrated dose is more apt to get
> >  into deeper muscle tissue and lymph than low
> >  dose. Which is it?
> >


RE: CS>effective ppm's +GATORADE + ASPARTAME

2006-03-27 Thread Medwith, Robert
I just read lable on Gatorade I see no mention of Aspartane
Just sucrose syrup
 
bOB

Gertrude wrote: 

As you can see,Gatorade also in Europe and Mexico... http://www.gatorade.nl/
<http://www.gatorade.nl/> http://www.gatorade.com/home/index.php
<http://www.gatorade.com/home/index.php> http://www.gatorade.com.mx/
<http://www.gatorade.com.mx/> http://www.gatorade.be/
<http://www.gatorade.be/>  Trudy.maybe we can write the factory to
remove the aspartamehttp://www.aspartame.info/index.html
<http://www.aspartame.info/index.html> Stevia is a better choise? 
  

Stevia is a much better choice, but it is against the law to sweeten foods
with stevia. 


Marshall 
  
  
 Trudy 


- Original Message -
From: Richard <mailto:richardatkin...@terra.es> 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com> 
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: CS>effective ppm's
 Any alternative to Gatorade as it does not exist in Europe ? What is in it
that spikes the cs to perform better ?thanksOn 24/03/2006, at 17:18, Robert
Berger wrote: 

The most effective use of EIS is to mix 1/3 EIS with 2/3 gatorade. This is a
recomemdation from the Eric Harborn reseach foundation in Texas as it takes
silver to places where it normally doesn't go. Many have found it very
effective.  
"Ole Bob" 
gmetrop...@aol.com <mailto:gmetrop...@aol.com>  wrote: 

Some on the list have stated that low ppm's at 5 ppm is more effective than
10-20ppm taken throughout the day for a chronic condition with no chance of
agyria. But, scientists have also said that a concentrated dose is more apt
to get into deeper muscle tissue and lymph than low dose. Which is it? 



Re: CS>effective ppm's

2006-03-27 Thread Marshall Dudley
It is believed to be the electrolyte, but the glucose and cirtic acid
could be a factor as well.

Marshall

Richard wrote:

> Any alternative to Gatorade as it does not exist in Europe ? What is
> in it that spikes the cs to perform better ?thanksOn 24/03/2006, at
> 17:18, Robert Berger wrote:
>
>> The most effective use of EIS is to mix 1/3 EIS with 2/3
>> gatorade. This is a recomemdation from the Eric Harborn reseach
>> foundation in Texas as it takes silver to places where it normally
>> doesn't go. Many have found it very effective.
>> "Ole Bob"
>> gmetrop...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>  Some on the list have stated that low ppm's at 5 ppm is
>>  more effective than 10-20ppm taken throughout the day for
>>  a chronic condition with no chance of agyria. But,
>>  scientists have also said that a concentrated dose is more
>>  apt to get into deeper muscle tissue and lymph than low
>>  dose. Which is it?
>>


Re: CS>effective ppm's

2006-03-25 Thread Arnold Beland

Ode says,

"The saving grace is that most people don't guzzle large quantities of CS
at any concentration [known or not] for long periods of time."

Thank God for small favors.

Best Regards,
Arnold Beland
- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: CS>effective ppm's



At 09:26 AM 3/24/2006 -0500, you wrote:

Some on the list have stated that low ppm's at 5 ppm is more effective 
than 10-20ppm taken throughout the day for a chronic condition with no 
chance of agyria. But, scientists have also said that a concentrated dose 
is more apt to get into deeper muscle tissue and lymph than low dose. 
Which is it?



The statement above makes no sense, so it's neither.
"Low dose" and "concentrated dose" say absolutely nothing about how much 
silver is being consumed over what period into what volume,  for what 
purpose or by what method.
PPM alone means nothing when making statements about dose and dose 
schedules and I've yet to see any advise "out there" that does make sense.


To clarify things just a little;
It it is being said that 5 PPM CS is somehow different than 20 PPM CS that 
has been diluted by a factor of 4???
Or, Using 4 times less 20 PM CS over the same period as using 5 PPM CS 
does something different?

 It's the same amount of silver.

 The actual "question" is, is the SILVER  different, or is less silver per 
volume just as good or better?


So lets just say that a person with a  *normal* metabolism  'could' 
consume enough water at 20PPM  silver content to where one could develop 
agyria over a long period of time without having the water kill them right 
off...limiting that period of time where one could drink that much water 
to a very short span.

 Now, drinking 4 times that amount of water is safer?
Or drinking the same amount of water with less silver in it is any 
different to a person who dies of water toxicity the first day.


..or that a person would even try to push the limits of common sense 
caution for ANY length of time without darned good reason where the remote 
possibility of turning colors would be a concern.


It takes a minimum retention of silver to develop agyria.  The smallest 
amount I've seen is 3 grams of silver. Other studies cite 6 to 9 grams 
minimum.
  At a *normal* worst case elimination rate of 94% in 48 hours [or 
faster], how much water must one consume at 20 PPM, for how long, in order 
to build up the critical amount of silver?


My guess is a quart a day...every single day... for over 8 years.  That's 
not a cautious or reasonable regimen.

So, it stands to reason
Anyone who has turned colors  have both an abnormal metabolism AND [for 
whatever reason] didn't know what they were doing. [and did that for too 
long]
..which isn't all that hard to believe when people say "take 20 PPM" or 
whatever, but don't specify how much at 20 PPM or for how long and even 
more commonly have no idea what their concentration is and dose according 
to paranoia rather than common sense and continual observation.


CS making instructions are generally very much like the dosing 
instructions...totally nonsensical.
When CS instructions that come with a battery pack generator with no 
controls say 1 PPM per minute, the actual PPM result is absolutely an 
unknown.  Several critical determining factors aren't mentioned at all and 
the probable range of error is enormous.

 The instructions are abysmally, possibly even dangerously, incomplete!!
 The problem is, it sounds reasonable when it isn't, people think they 
have a clue as to what they're doing, but in reality, have absolutely 
none.


 The saving grace is that most people don't guzzle large quantities of CS 
at any concentration [known or not] for long periods of time.



Ode








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Re: CS>effective ppm's

2006-03-25 Thread Ode Coyote

At 09:26 AM 3/24/2006 -0500, you wrote:

Some on the list have stated that low ppm's at 5 ppm is more effective 
than 10-20ppm taken throughout the day for a chronic condition with no 
chance of agyria. But, scientists have also said that a concentrated dose 
is more apt to get into deeper muscle tissue and lymph than low dose. 
Which is it?



The statement above makes no sense, so it's neither.
"Low dose" and "concentrated dose" say absolutely nothing about how much 
silver is being consumed over what period into what volume,  for what 
purpose or by what method.
PPM alone means nothing when making statements about dose and dose 
schedules and I've yet to see any advise "out there" that does make sense.


To clarify things just a little;
It it is being said that 5 PPM CS is somehow different than 20 PPM CS that 
has been diluted by a factor of 4???
Or, Using 4 times less 20 PM CS over the same period as using 5 PPM CS does 
something different?

 It's the same amount of silver.

 The actual "question" is, is the SILVER  different, or is less silver per 
volume just as good or better?


So lets just say that a person with a  *normal* metabolism  'could' consume 
enough water at 20PPM  silver content to where one could develop agyria 
over a long period of time without having the water kill them right 
off...limiting that period of time where one could drink that much water to 
a very short span.

 Now, drinking 4 times that amount of water is safer?
Or drinking the same amount of water with less silver in it is any 
different to a person who dies of water toxicity the first day.


..or that a person would even try to push the limits of common sense 
caution for ANY length of time without darned good reason where the remote 
possibility of turning colors would be a concern.


It takes a minimum retention of silver to develop agyria.  The smallest 
amount I've seen is 3 grams of silver. Other studies cite 6 to 9 grams minimum.
  At a *normal* worst case elimination rate of 94% in 48 hours [or 
faster], how much water must one consume at 20 PPM, for how long, in order 
to build up the critical amount of silver?


My guess is a quart a day...every single day... for over 8 years.  That's 
not a cautious or reasonable regimen.

So, it stands to reason
Anyone who has turned colors  have both an abnormal metabolism AND [for 
whatever reason] didn't know what they were doing. [and did that for too long]
..which isn't all that hard to believe when people say "take 20 PPM" or 
whatever, but don't specify how much at 20 PPM or for how long and even 
more commonly have no idea what their concentration is and dose according 
to paranoia rather than common sense and continual observation.


CS making instructions are generally very much like the dosing 
instructions...totally nonsensical.
When CS instructions that come with a battery pack generator with no 
controls say 1 PPM per minute, the actual PPM result is absolutely an 
unknown.  Several critical determining factors aren't mentioned at all and 
the probable range of error is enormous.

 The instructions are abysmally, possibly even dangerously, incomplete!!
 The problem is, it sounds reasonable when it isn't, people think they 
have a clue as to what they're doing, but in reality, have absolutely none.


 The saving grace is that most people don't guzzle large quantities of CS 
at any concentration [known or not] for long periods of time.



Ode








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Re: CS>effective ppm's +GATORADE + ASPARTAME

2006-03-25 Thread Gertrude
As you can see,Gatorade also in Europe and Mexico...

http://www.gatorade.nl/
http://www.gatorade.com/home/index.php
http://www.gatorade.com.mx/
http://www.gatorade.be/

Trudy.maybe we can write the factory to remove the aspartame
http://www.aspartame.info/index.html
Stevia is a better choise?
Trudy
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 7:47 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>effective ppm's


  Any alternative to Gatorade as it does not exist in Europe ? What is in it 
that spikes the cs to perform better ?thanks

  On 24/03/2006, at 17:18, Robert Berger wrote:


The most effective use of EIS is to mix 1/3 EIS with 2/3 gatorade.

This is a recomemdation from the Eric Harborn reseach foundation in Texas 
as it takes silver to places where it normally doesn't go. Many have found it 
very effective.

"Ole Bob"
gmetrop...@aol.com wrote:
  Some on the list have stated that low ppm's at 5 ppm is more effective 
than 10-20ppm taken throughout the day for a chronic condition with no chance 
of agyria. But, scientists have also said that a concentrated dose is more apt 
to get into deeper muscle tissue and lymph than low dose. Which is it?






Re: CS>effective ppm's

2006-03-24 Thread PanAmPete
 
In a message dated 3/24/06 3:14:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
ami...@starband.net writes:

There is  a clear Gatorade available, and yes Lactated Ringers is very
similar, but  more expensive.   The L. Ringers has sugar too, I think, but
you  should get confirmation of that. 

Jim

-Original  Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] 
Sent:  Friday, March 24, 2006 11:16 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re:  CS>effective ppm's

> Is there any healthier mix for EIS than  Gatorade which has dyes and
> sugars?

Understandable question.  Wasn't Ringer's lactate a suggested 
alternative? Anybody  remember?

Mike D.



Mike, et al,
Curious why fruit juices wouldn't be a good mix as they are nutritional and  
contain Vit-C?


Re: CS>effective ppm's

2006-03-24 Thread Richard
Any alternative to Gatorade as it does not exist in Europe ? What is  
in it that spikes the cs to perform better ?thanks

On 24/03/2006, at 17:18, Robert Berger wrote:


The most effective use of EIS is to mix 1/3 EIS with 2/3 gatorade.

This is a recomemdation from the Eric Harborn reseach foundation in  
Texas as it takes silver to places where it normally doesn't go.  
Many have found it very effective.


"Ole Bob"
gmetrop...@aol.com wrote:
Some on the list have stated that low ppm's at 5 ppm is more  
effective than 10-20ppm taken throughout the day for a chronic  
condition with no chance of agyria. But, scientists have also said  
that a concentrated dose is more apt to get into deeper muscle  
tissue and lymph than low dose. Which is it?







RE: CS>effective ppm's

2006-03-24 Thread Jim Holmes
There is a clear Gatorade available, and yes Lactated Ringers is very
similar, but more expensive.   The L. Ringers has sugar too, I think, but
you should get confirmation of that. 

Jim

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:16 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>effective ppm's

> Is there any healthier mix for EIS than Gatorade which has dyes and
> sugars?

Understandable question. Wasn't Ringer's lactate a suggested 
alternative? Anybody remember?

Mike D.



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Re: CS>effective ppm's

2006-03-24 Thread sol
Mix a little DMSO in it. Alternatively, add a bit of peroxide. Don't use 
both together though.

sol


gmetrop...@aol.com wrote:

Is there any healthier mix for EIS than Gatorade which has dyes and 
sugars?




 




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Re: CS>effective ppm's

2006-03-24 Thread PanAmPete
I use grape/cranberry mix with my EIS and MSM.


Re: CS>effective ppm's

2006-03-24 Thread GMetropulo
Is there any healthier mix for EIS than Gatorade which has dyes and sugars?


Re: CS>effective ppm's

2006-03-24 Thread Robert Berger
The most effective use of EIS is to mix 1/3 EIS with 2/3 gatorade.
   
  This is a recomemdation from the Eric Harborn reseach foundation in Texas as 
it takes silver to places where it normally doesn't go. Many have found it very 
effective.
  
"Ole Bob"
gmetrop...@aol.com wrote:
  Some on the list have stated that low ppm's at 5 ppm is more effective 
than 10-20ppm taken throughout the day for a chronic condition with no chance 
of agyria. But, scientists have also said that a concentrated dose is more apt 
to get into deeper muscle tissue and lymph than low dose. Which is it?