Re: CS>cs and saline
Ode, Not at all, Got to my web site and look at the TEM page "silver solution" and do the math. Ionic silver is 11.0 PPM the AA shows a total silver of 11.58 PPM. 11.11.58 = 95 % ionic silver When Roger and I attempted to due the double blind study, Frank Key analysised the material at 99.4% ionic. Ode Coyote wrote: >Is this a hint that HVAC has a higher particle to ion ratio than the > same concentration LVDC? > "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>cs and saline
Thanks, Bob, I knew I could count on you, More than just a hint, Bob, And even more so the even higher particulate concentrate types including Mesosilver and Advanced Colloidal Silver. In the same way they survive the stomach acid and blood serum, they survive mixing with saline. Subject: Re: CS>cs and saline Is this a hint that HVAC has a higher particle to ion ratio than the same concentration LVDC? Could be. Ode At 02:56 PM 7/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: >You only lose the ionic portion. The particulate remains. Best to start with >a high particulate product if you are mixing with saline so you will still >have some effective silver remaining. Now, go ahead someone and set me up. > >- Original Message - >From: "Robert Berger" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:23 AM >Subject: Re: CS>cs and saline > > >Hi Shirley, > >When you mix CS with a saline solution the silver forms silver chloride >and drops out of solution. So might just as wellsave the CS and use the >weak saline solution. >Or better still throw away the saline solution ans use just the CS. > >"Ole Bob" > > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>cs and saline
Is this a hint that HVAC has a higher particle to ion ratio than the same concentration LVDC? Could be. Ode At 02:56 PM 7/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: You only lose the ionic portion. The particulate remains. Best to start with a high particulate product if you are mixing with saline so you will still have some effective silver remaining. Now, go ahead someone and set me up. - Original Message - From: "Robert Berger" To: Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:23 AM Subject: Re: CS>cs and saline Hi Shirley, When you mix CS with a saline solution the silver forms silver chloride and drops out of solution. So might just as wellsave the CS and use the weak saline solution. Or better still throw away the saline solution ans use just the CS. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>cs and saline
>Now, go ahead someone > and set me up. No Way, you think I'm crazy? > -Original Message- > From: Bill Fernald [mailto:b...@utopiatexas.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2003 7:56 a.m. > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>cs and saline > > > You only lose the ionic portion. The particulate remains. > Best to start with > a high particulate product if you are mixing with saline so > you will still > have some effective silver remaining. Now, go ahead someone > and set me up. > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>cs and saline
You only lose the ionic portion. The particulate remains. Best to start with a high particulate product if you are mixing with saline so you will still have some effective silver remaining. Now, go ahead someone and set me up. - Original Message - From: "Robert Berger" To: Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:23 AM Subject: Re: CS>cs and saline Hi Shirley, When you mix CS with a saline solution the silver forms silver chloride and drops out of solution. So might just as wellsave the CS and use the weak saline solution. Or better still throw away the saline solution ans use just the CS. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>cs and saline
Hi Shirley, When you mix CS with a saline solution the silver forms silver chloride and drops out of solution. So might just as wellsave the CS and use the weak saline solution. Or better still throw away the saline solution ans use just the CS. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>cs and saline
CS mixed with weak saline solution about 2/3 cs to 1/3 saline will not cause discomfort to the eyes. You can go stronger cs if you like--fool around with it. pj - Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!
Re: CS and saline solutions --- and eye infections
Carlos; Where did you get the idae that one cannot combined CS with other things. A little salt in the proper amount will make a normal saline solution and when CS is combined with DMSO it works wonders against fungi that is below the surface such as ringworm. Water doe not penetrat the outside layer of skin. "Ole Bob" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and saline solutions --- and eye infections
CS and saline solutionsCS is an analgesic, an antiseptic, and it aids in the healing of damaged cells. It is the positive electrons (cations) that accomplish all three of these actions. In the case of pain, the (positive) cations inhibit the flow of the pain message (negative electrons) across pain junctures. CS stops pain. It does not cause pain. Combining CS with other elements can render the CS ineffective and even dangerous. It loses its free cations as they combine with those other elements. CS should only be mixed with ultra pure or distilled water. One can put CS in an eye cup. Tilt the head back and open and close the affected eye twice. Done a few times each day over the course of a day or two and this could make the eye feel and look better as well as counter an infection. There has been testimony re this effective method of use of CS on this forum. I am not a doctor and I do not offer medical advice. --- Spiroflex - Original Message - From: Lewis Ted (x5710) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 4:33 PM Subject: CS and saline solutions Hi gang, I seem to remember a discussion quite a while back about whether or not CS was effective when added to a saline solution (such as for use in the eyes, nose, etc.). I don't remember the outcome of the thread...was it ok or not ok to combine CS and saline? Does the saline reduce the effectiveness of the CS? The reason: my 5-year old has had an ongoing bout with some type of eye infection. We've given him an antibiotic eye drop, but it keeps coming back. I'd like to try CS eye drops to see if we could stop it, but I'm afraid straight CS might be too painful. He's pretty squeamish and might not let me do it more than once. (I'm assuming it would take multiple treatments.) I'd like to prove to my family (and myself) that CS really works. Any thoughts or suggestions? -Ted
Re: CS polarity (was CS and saline solutions)
I doubt that, but if one is going to do this, rather a silver electrode than any other, and perhaps using the negative electrode is a stroke of genius! Ivan. - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" To: Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2000 04:13 Subject: Re: CS polarity (was CS and saline solutions) > "M. G. Devour" wrote: > > > I'm afraid in his original post Russ did say to put the *negative* > > electrode in the pool of tears near the eye if you wanted to use a > > silver wire to disinfect the area. I believe he was mistaken. > > The disinfection he was speaking of was from the electric current from what > I gathered. I personally would be reluctant to use the positive electrode > on the eye. The positive will produce the silver ions, and as we all know, > when the concentration is high enough, the particles begin to aggregate. > But in this case the aggregation may actually occur within the tissue of the > eye, and if they aggregate sufficient to become trapped, you could > conceivably get argyria in the eye. This would be serious since much of the > tissue of they eye must remain crystal clear for proper vision. I think the > possibility is far greater than using high ppm CS in the eye. > > Marshall > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.219 / Virus Database: 103 - Release Date: 06/12/2000
Re: CS polarity (was CS and saline solutions)
Russ, The cloud coming off the neg electrode is 'silver' gas bubbles which dissapate when stirred. If you are insisting on using salt then the grey cloud coming off the pos electrode is silver particles. Not theory. Just did it. Neg is connect to - on the battery and pos is connected to + on the battery. Tony russ e rosser wrote: > > Ron, Roger-- > > Am I going nuts, here? Theory has it that electrons jump from - to +; > silver particles ionizing accordingly. If you use batteries & a little > salt (just for visibility purpose), you can easily see the cloud > emanating from the - electrode. How can this possibly be otherwise?? > Tx. --Russ > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:06:26 EST rogalt...@aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 12/12/00 10:29:51 PM EST, f...@rosenet.net writes: > > > > << Subj: Re: CS polarity (was CS and saline solutions) > > Date: 12/12/00 10:29:51 PM EST > > From: f...@rosenet.net (Ron Hackley) > > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Hi Russ and all, > > > > I've been using VOM's for forty some years and I darn well know how > > to use > > one and > > certainly how to read polarity. I've been making and using CS for > > four years > > or so and I > > think I know how to make it as well. I have two electrodes; the > > silver > > electrode is > > connected to the positive terminal, and I have a stainless > > electrode > > connected to the > > negative terminal (for those of you who are going to freak about > > using > > stainless for the > > cathode, this was discussed a year or so ago on this list and > > seemed to be > > perfectly > > acceptable at the time, and it is much easier to clean; for the > > most part it > > becomes > > plated with silver that is pretty firmly attached). If I turn the > > stirrer > > off I see silver > > coming off the positive electrode (the only one that's silver so > > duh!). > > Discussions here > > have also pointed out that the CS ideally has a positive charge > > which is > > believed to help > > in whatever magic it does; I'd think that would be kinda hard to do > > if it > > comes off of a > > negative electrode. If I'm doing something wrong then it is amazing > > that I'm > > making CS. > > Would a few of the experts please verify that I am either right or > > wrong > > about polarity (I > > say the CS comes off the anode or positive terminal). This is kinda > > > > important, especially > > when talking about electrodes being applied to the surface of the > > skin. > > > > Thanks, > > Ron KC7ZWA > > >> > > > > Ron. You are correct. Several years ago I used the same set up. > > Roger > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > > silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > > to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- > > silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: > > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS polarity (was CS and saline solutions)
"M. G. Devour" wrote: > I'm afraid in his original post Russ did say to put the *negative* > electrode in the pool of tears near the eye if you wanted to use a > silver wire to disinfect the area. I believe he was mistaken. The disinfection he was speaking of was from the electric current from what I gathered. I personally would be reluctant to use the positive electrode on the eye. The positive will produce the silver ions, and as we all know, when the concentration is high enough, the particles begin to aggregate. But in this case the aggregation may actually occur within the tissue of the eye, and if they aggregate sufficient to become trapped, you could conceivably get argyria in the eye. This would be serious since much of the tissue of they eye must remain crystal clear for proper vision. I think the possibility is far greater than using high ppm CS in the eye. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS polarity (was CS and saline solutions)
In a message dated 12/13/00 7:31:49 AM EST, i...@win.co.nz writes: << Subj: Re: CS polarity (was CS and saline solutions) Date: 12/13/00 7:31:49 AM EST From: i...@win.co.nz (Ivan Anderson) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Russ, The electrons leave the positive electrode (anode) via the power supply wire connection, electrons cannot travel in water. As electrons are sucked from the anode it becomes more positive than the cathode, to which the electrons travel. Electrons leaving the silver anode cause silver atoms to ionise and become positively charged ions (cations) and detach from the electrode. As they are now positively charged the cations travel towards the negatively charged cathode. Convention has the electrode at which oxidation occurs (removal of electrons) known as the anode. So in electrolysis the anode is positive but in galvanic cells (batteries) the anode is negative. A bit confusing, but... Regards Ivan. >> Ivan: I think if you use my 'electron vacuum cleaner' analogy it's easy to distinguish between electrolysis and batteries. As I mentioned before, in electrolysis, a power supply PULLS the electrons off the anode. In a battery the electrochemical reaction at the anode SUPPLIES electrons so, in this case, it's the negative electrode. Note, however, that in both cases, oxidation takes place at the anode. In fact, that's why it's CALLED the anode. Of course, similar reasoning defines the cathode. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS polarity (was CS and saline solutions)
In a message dated 12/13/00 5:12:23 AM EST, russros...@juno.com writes: << Subj: Re: CS polarity (was CS and saline solutions) Date: 12/13/00 5:12:23 AM EST From: russros...@juno.com (russ e rosser) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Ron, Roger-- Am I going nuts, here? Theory has it that electrons jump from - to +; silver particles ionizing accordingly. If you use batteries & a little salt (just for visibility purpose), you can easily see the cloud emanating from the - electrode. How can this possibly be otherwise?? Tx. --Russ >> Russ: You're probably getting confused between the impressed EMF that CAUSES electrolysis and the electrochemical reactions that GENERATE electricity from a battery. It's the impressed EMF (generated from a power supply of some sort) that is used to generate CS at the anode (+) where oxidation takes place releasing ionized silver and electrons. Think of the process at this electrode as a sort of electron vacuum cleaner. In order to strip off electrons the electrode must be positive (hence, the 'electron vacuum cleaner' effect) . At the cathode, electrons are supplied by the power supply, so reduction (due to the presence of XS electrons) of ionic silver occurs forming metallic silver. In a battery, the situation is reversed, but l'd rather save that explanation for another time. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS polarity (was CS and saline solutions)
Russ, The electrons leave the positive electrode (anode) via the power supply wire connection, electrons cannot travel in water. As electrons are sucked from the anode it becomes more positive than the cathode, to which the electrons travel. Electrons leaving the silver anode cause silver atoms to ionise and become positively charged ions (cations) and detach from the electrode. As they are now positively charged the cations travel towards the negatively charged cathode. Convention has the electrode at which oxidation occurs (removal of electrons) known as the anode. So in electrolysis the anode is positive but in galvanic cells (batteries) the anode is negative. A bit confusing, but... Regards Ivan. - Original Message - From: "russ e rosser" To: Sent: Wednesday, 13 December 2000 23:08 Subject: Re: CS polarity (was CS and saline solutions) > Ron, Roger-- > > Am I going nuts, here? Theory has it that electrons jump from - to +; > silver particles ionizing accordingly. If you use batteries & a little > salt (just for visibility purpose), you can easily see the cloud > emanating from the - electrode. How can this possibly be otherwise?? > Tx. --Russ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.219 / Virus Database: 103 - Release Date: 05/12/2000 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS polarity (was CS and saline solutions)
Ron, Roger-- Am I going nuts, here? Theory has it that electrons jump from - to +; silver particles ionizing accordingly. If you use batteries & a little salt (just for visibility purpose), you can easily see the cloud emanating from the - electrode. How can this possibly be otherwise?? Tx. --Russ On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:06:26 EST rogalt...@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 12/12/00 10:29:51 PM EST, f...@rosenet.net writes: > > << Subj: Re: CS polarity (was CS and saline solutions) > Date: 12/12/00 10:29:51 PM EST > From: f...@rosenet.net (Ron Hackley) > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > Hi Russ and all, > > I've been using VOM's for forty some years and I darn well know how > to use > one and > certainly how to read polarity. I've been making and using CS for > four years > or so and I > think I know how to make it as well. I have two electrodes; the > silver > electrode is > connected to the positive terminal, and I have a stainless > electrode > connected to the > negative terminal (for those of you who are going to freak about > using > stainless for the > cathode, this was discussed a year or so ago on this list and > seemed to be > perfectly > acceptable at the time, and it is much easier to clean; for the > most part it > becomes > plated with silver that is pretty firmly attached). If I turn the > stirrer > off I see silver > coming off the positive electrode (the only one that's silver so > duh!). > Discussions here > have also pointed out that the CS ideally has a positive charge > which is > believed to help > in whatever magic it does; I'd think that would be kinda hard to do > if it > comes off of a > negative electrode. If I'm doing something wrong then it is amazing > that I'm > making CS. > Would a few of the experts please verify that I am either right or > wrong > about polarity (I > say the CS comes off the anode or positive terminal). This is kinda > > important, especially > when talking about electrodes being applied to the surface of the > skin. > > Thanks, > Ron KC7ZWA > >> > > Ron. You are correct. Several years ago I used the same set up. > Roger > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- > silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS > CS and saline solutions (horses, dogs)
| Ted, | | As you may or may not know I raise horses and as such I read a lot of horse | magazines and related breeder journals. A couple of years ago I was | surprised and delighed to see an article who was successfully using CS to | treat serious eye infections in valuable purebred horses, infections that | had not yieled to conventional treatments got under control after just one | or two applications of CS according to this one article. I am not sure | what journal it was in and I am not at home to look up which one, but I did | read it. | | Barb Thanks Barb; Thought I'd just add to that, a local veterinarian came across a horse case in which the horse was basically going to die (not tetanus this time). I'm going to find who the fella was and what the horse had, but anyway he had heard about CS and gave a few large injections, I assume IV. The horse recovered within hours. Since that happened here within 12 miles of me I should be able to track the details. In addition the fella who ran the local Animal Shelter last year had some on hand my father made for parvovirus and other serious (imminent death) situations. News spreads fast eh? ciao Duncan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS polarity (was CS and saline solutions)
I'm afraid in his original post Russ did say to put the *negative* electrode in the pool of tears near the eye if you wanted to use a silver wire to disinfect the area. I believe he was mistaken. As far as I know the silver does come off the anode, or positive terminal. The negative electrode or cathode accumulates the fluffy treeing (in LVDC systems) as positively charged silver particles come close, accept an electron, and become neutral, falling out of suspension. However, I hope *both* of you gents will remember that e-mail requires a serious effort to avoid either giving *or* taking offense. Any hostility, abruptness or rudeness is greatly magnified in the absense of facial expression or body language. A great deal thicker skin and greater tolerance is required all around. Take care, please. Be well, Mike D. silver-list owner Ron wrote: > > > Russ, thanks for the valuable hint, but... my silver comes off of > > > the positive terminal on my CS maker. Why would you make the > > > silver on the eye electrode negative? Wouldn't you want it > > > positive? Russ replied: > > Your CS maker is labeled wrong--use a VOM. Ron retorts... > I've been using VOM's for forty some years and I darn well know how to > use one and certainly how to read polarity. I've been making and using > CS for four years or so and I think I know how to make it as well. ...etc. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS polarity (was CS and saline solutions)
In a message dated 12/12/00 10:29:51 PM EST, f...@rosenet.net writes: << Subj: Re: CS polarity (was CS and saline solutions) Date: 12/12/00 10:29:51 PM EST From: f...@rosenet.net (Ron Hackley) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Hi Russ and all, I've been using VOM's for forty some years and I darn well know how to use one and certainly how to read polarity. I've been making and using CS for four years or so and I think I know how to make it as well. I have two electrodes; the silver electrode is connected to the positive terminal, and I have a stainless electrode connected to the negative terminal (for those of you who are going to freak about using stainless for the cathode, this was discussed a year or so ago on this list and seemed to be perfectly acceptable at the time, and it is much easier to clean; for the most part it becomes plated with silver that is pretty firmly attached). If I turn the stirrer off I see silver coming off the positive electrode (the only one that's silver so duh!). Discussions here have also pointed out that the CS ideally has a positive charge which is believed to help in whatever magic it does; I'd think that would be kinda hard to do if it comes off of a negative electrode. If I'm doing something wrong then it is amazing that I'm making CS. Would a few of the experts please verify that I am either right or wrong about polarity (I say the CS comes off the anode or positive terminal). This is kinda important, especially when talking about electrodes being applied to the surface of the skin. Thanks, Ron KC7ZWA >> Ron. You are correct. Several years ago I used the same set up. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS polarity (was CS and saline solutions)
Hi Russ and all, I've been using VOM's for forty some years and I darn well know how to use one and certainly how to read polarity. I've been making and using CS for four years or so and I think I know how to make it as well. I have two electrodes; the silver electrode is connected to the positive terminal, and I have a stainless electrode connected to the negative terminal (for those of you who are going to freak about using stainless for the cathode, this was discussed a year or so ago on this list and seemed to be perfectly acceptable at the time, and it is much easier to clean; for the most part it becomes plated with silver that is pretty firmly attached). If I turn the stirrer off I see silver coming off the positive electrode (the only one that's silver so duh!). Discussions here have also pointed out that the CS ideally has a positive charge which is believed to help in whatever magic it does; I'd think that would be kinda hard to do if it comes off of a negative electrode. If I'm doing something wrong then it is amazing that I'm making CS. Would a few of the experts please verify that I am either right or wrong about polarity (I say the CS comes off the anode or positive terminal). This is kinda important, especially when talking about electrodes being applied to the surface of the skin. Thanks, Ron KC7ZWA russ e rosser wrote: > > You CS maker is labeled wrong--use a VOM. > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:56:42 -0800 Ron Hackley writes: > > Russ, thanks for the valuable hint, but... my silver comes off of the > > positive terminal on my CS maker. Why would you make the silver on the > > eye electrode negative? Wouldn't you want it positive? > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and saline solutions
You CS maker is labeled wrong--use a VOM. On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:56:42 -0800 Ron Hackley writes: > Russ, thanks for the valuable hint, but... my silver comes off of the > positive terminal on > my CS maker. Why would you make the silver on the eye electrode > negative? Wouldn't you > want it positive? > > Ron KC7ZWA > > russ e rosser wrote: > > > > BTW, I've disinfected an eye inury with DC current, too. > This method > > should actually work on anyone, too, with no danger! I let tears > pool up > > into the inside corner of my eye, and held the POSITIVE electrode > in > > contact with the saline. The negative wire is inserted into a > sponge > > moistened with salt water, and held in one hand. (I used this > polarity > > was because I had only the bared copper wire to work with; > however, if > > you used 999 slver wire, you could use the *negative* electrode in > the > > tears--thereby absolutely disinfecting the eye [probably all the > way > > through!] while making CS on the spot!) > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- > silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS and saline solutions
I find that using a very fine mist atomizer is a really good way to put CS in the eyes. The eye doesn't detect much of a threat. Ken At 11:07 PM 12/11/00 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/11/00 4:35:22 PM EST, ted.le...@arl.siemens.com writes: > ><< Subj: CS and saline solutions > Date: 12/11/00 4:35:22 PM EST > From: ted.le...@arl.siemens.com (Lewis Ted (x5710)) > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > Hi gang, > > I seem to remember a discussion quite a while back about whether or not CS > was effective when added to a saline solution (such as for use in the eyes, > nose, etc.). I don't remember the outcome of the thread...was it ok or not > ok to combine CS and saline? Does the saline reduce the effectiveness of > the CS? > > The reason: my 5-year old has had an ongoing bout with some type of eye > infection. We've given him an antibiotic eye drop, but it keeps coming > back. I'd like to try CS eye drops to see if we could stop it, but I'm > afraid straight CS might be too painful. He's pretty squeamish and might > not let me do it more than once. (I'm assuming it would take multiple > treatments.) I'd like to prove to my family (and myself) that CS really > works. > > Any thoughts or suggestions? > > -Ted > >> > >Ted: I've used CS in my eyes several times. I don't recall feeling any pain, >just the slight discomfort of having "water" getting in my eyes. BTW, one >easy way to put it in is to have him lie on his back with his eyes gently >closed, then put a few drops on his eye lashes and carefully move the closed >eye lid up and down to work the liquid onto the surface of the eye. Roger > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS and saline solutions
Russ, thanks for the valuable hint, but... my silver comes off of the positive terminal on my CS maker. Why would you make the silver on the eye electrode negative? Wouldn't you want it positive? Ron KC7ZWA russ e rosser wrote: > > BTW, I've disinfected an eye inury with DC current, too. This method > should actually work on anyone, too, with no danger! I let tears pool up > into the inside corner of my eye, and held the POSITIVE electrode in > contact with the saline. The negative wire is inserted into a sponge > moistened with salt water, and held in one hand. (I used this polarity > was because I had only the bared copper wire to work with; however, if > you used 999 slver wire, you could use the *negative* electrode in the > tears--thereby absolutely disinfecting the eye [probably all the way > through!] while making CS on the spot!) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and saline solutions
Ted-- I've used CS on my eyes many times--no pain whatsoever. You might tell him to expect some sensation, but sa for pain, naahh. --Russ BTW, I've disinfected an eye inury with DC current, too. This method should actually work on anyone, too, with no danger! I let tears pool up into the inside corner of my eye, and held the POSITIVE electrode in contact with the saline. The negative wire is inserted into a sponge moistened with salt water, and held in one hand. (I used this polarity was because I had only the bared copper wire to work with; however, if you used 999 slver wire, you could use the *negative* electrode in the tears--thereby absolutely disinfecting the eye [probably all the way through!] while making CS on the spot!) Your kid would touch the sponge only as easy or hard as he wanted, according to the sensation. By the time he felt the slightest tingle (NOT pain, BTW), he'd already be well above min. disinfective current levels. - On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:33:29 -0600 "Lewis Ted (x5710)" writes: > Hi gang, > > I seem to remember a discussion quite a while back about whether or > not CS > was effective when added to a saline solution (such as for use in > the eyes, > nose, etc.). I don't remember the outcome of the thread...was it ok > or not > ok to combine CS and saline? Does the saline reduce the > effectiveness of > the CS? > > The reason: my 5-year old has had an ongoing bout with some type of > eye > infection. We've given him an antibiotic eye drop, but it keeps > coming > back. I'd like to try CS eye drops to see if we could stop it, but > I'm > afraid straight CS might be too painful. He's pretty squeamish and > might > not let me do it more than once. (I'm assuming it would take > multiple > treatments.) I'd like to prove to my family (and myself) that CS > really > works. > > Any thoughts or suggestions? > > -Ted -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and saline solutions
Ted, As you may or may not know I raise horses and as such I read a lot of horse magazines and related breeder journals. A couple of years ago I was surprised and delighed to see an article who was successfully using CS to treat serious eye infections in valuable purebred horses, infections that had not yieled to conventional treatments got under control after just one or two applications of CS according to this one article. I am not sure what journal it was in and I am not at home to look up which one, but I did read it. Barb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and saline solutions
In a message dated 12/11/00 4:35:22 PM EST, ted.le...@arl.siemens.com writes: << Subj: CS and saline solutions Date: 12/11/00 4:35:22 PM EST From: ted.le...@arl.siemens.com (Lewis Ted (x5710)) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Hi gang, I seem to remember a discussion quite a while back about whether or not CS was effective when added to a saline solution (such as for use in the eyes, nose, etc.). I don't remember the outcome of the thread...was it ok or not ok to combine CS and saline? Does the saline reduce the effectiveness of the CS? The reason: my 5-year old has had an ongoing bout with some type of eye infection. We've given him an antibiotic eye drop, but it keeps coming back. I'd like to try CS eye drops to see if we could stop it, but I'm afraid straight CS might be too painful. He's pretty squeamish and might not let me do it more than once. (I'm assuming it would take multiple treatments.) I'd like to prove to my family (and myself) that CS really works. Any thoughts or suggestions? -Ted >> Ted: I've used CS in my eyes several times. I don't recall feeling any pain, just the slight discomfort of having "water" getting in my eyes. BTW, one easy way to put it in is to have him lie on his back with his eyes gently closed, then put a few drops on his eye lashes and carefully move the closed eye lid up and down to work the liquid onto the surface of the eye. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS and saline solutions
CS and saline solutions Hi gang, I seem to remember a discussion quite a while back about whether or not CS was effective when added to a saline solution (such as for use in the eyes, nose, etc.). I don't remember the outcome of the thread...was it ok or not ok to combine CS and saline? Does the saline reduce the effectiveness of the CS? The reason: my 5-year old has had an ongoing bout with some type of eye infection. We've given him an antibiotic eye drop, but it keeps coming back. I'd like to try CS eye drops to see if we could stop it, but I'm afraid straight CS might be too painful. He's pretty squeamish and might not let me do it more than once. (I'm assuming it would take multiple treatments.) I'd like to prove to my family (and myself) that CS really works.Any thoughts or suggestions? -Ted Dear Ted, I use straight CS in my eyes all the time. It stops the itchies from hay fever, cleans out the dust when the air is dirty, and stops infections the same day. It is mild and doesn`t sting at all. I put it in my Pugs` eyes too, as those bulgy eyes get goopy a lot. They don`t mind it either. Try it!! Marsha
CS and saline solutions
Hi gang, I seem to remember a discussion quite a while back about whether or not CS was effective when added to a saline solution (such as for use in the eyes, nose, etc.). I don't remember the outcome of the thread...was it ok or not ok to combine CS and saline? Does the saline reduce the effectiveness of the CS? The reason: my 5-year old has had an ongoing bout with some type of eye infection. We've given him an antibiotic eye drop, but it keeps coming back. I'd like to try CS eye drops to see if we could stop it, but I'm afraid straight CS might be too painful. He's pretty squeamish and might not let me do it more than once. (I'm assuming it would take multiple treatments.) I'd like to prove to my family (and myself) that CS really works. Any thoughts or suggestions? -Ted
cs and saline
The cs in my homemade saline is working well and lots more comfortably. I just put a little salt in distilled water and mixed it half and half with the cs. I knew saline was only a little salty so I was very sparing with the salt. Anyway, now the drops don't hurt any at all. pj -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS/nebulizer & CS and saline solution/Brooks Help?
t; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > I have a question about nebulizing CS for bronchitis...I am a Resp. > > Therapist and we were strongly warned not to nebulize liquids without saline > > as it could/would cause bronchospasm. > > Are people adding saline with the CS? > > Connie > > ^^ > >>>''<< > > U > > > > Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:11:26 -0500 > > From: "Nutritional Intelligence Cooperative of North America" > > > To: > > Subject: Re: CS>nebulized CS and saline > > Message-ID: <004001bf0902$f4e20160$3a354...@compaq> > > > > what amount of liquid are you referring to? are you speaking of liquid > > drugs? colloidal silver on the order of 15ppm or less is non-irritating > > when sprayed into the eyes (at least if it is clear, made by high voltage > > AC, whereas a liquid drug would most likely be highly irritating, > > depending upon the drug. > > I have never experienced any irritation or spasms when i inhale atomised or > > misted colloidal silver. i use a nasal mister and a sprayer that i inhale. > > > > i know that when i mix other elements with the colloidal silver i get a > > cloudy or even blackish colored solution, something i definitely would not > > inhale or spray in my eyes. > > > > > > > > > > jd > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS/nebulizer & CS and saline solution/Brooks Help?
Hi Guys, I have a lot of questions about this issue of non-salinated mist from a nebulizer irritating lungs -- and what happens to CS when combined with saline water. When my husband used the nebulizer with cs to get rid of his bronchitus it definitely worked on the bronchitus -- but it also irritated his lungs. Maybe just a sprayer doesn't because it doesn't get as deep as a nebuliser. But Brooks Bradley never mentioned using saline in his protocol. Maybe he has some answers? Brooks? Alsohen I use cs spray for my sinuses it stings a bit. When I irrigate with salinated water it doesn't so I wondered about adding the cs to the salinated water and whether it would form harmful compounds as jd is suggesting. Anyone got answers? Katarina > Subject: CS>nebulized CS > Message-ID: <00b001bf08f2$24b039e0$f0041...@oemcomputer> > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I have a question about nebulizing CS for bronchitis...I am a Resp. > Therapist and we were strongly warned not to nebulize liquids without saline > as it could/would cause bronchospasm. > Are people adding saline with the CS? > Connie > ^^ >>>''<< > U > > Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:11:26 -0500 > From: "Nutritional Intelligence Cooperative of North America" > To: > Subject: Re: CS>nebulized CS and saline > Message-ID: <004001bf0902$f4e20160$3a354...@compaq> > > what amount of liquid are you referring to? are you speaking of liquid > drugs? colloidal silver on the order of 15ppm or less is non-irritating > when sprayed into the eyes (at least if it is clear, made by high voltage > AC, whereas a liquid drug would most likely be highly irritating, > depending upon the drug. > I have never experienced any irritation or spasms when i inhale atomised or > misted colloidal silver. i use a nasal mister and a sprayer that i inhale. > > i know that when i mix other elements with the colloidal silver i get a > cloudy or even blackish colored solution, something i definitely would not > inhale or spray in my eyes. > > > > > jd -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>nebulized CS and saline
what amount of liquid are you referring to? are you speaking of liquid drugs? colloidal silver on the order of 15ppm or less is non-irritating when sprayed into the eyes (at least if it is clear, made by high voltage AC, whereas a liquid drug would most likely be highly irritating, depending upon the drug. I have never experienced any irritation or spasms when i inhale atomised or misted colloidal silver. i use a nasal mister and a sprayer that i inhale. i know that when i mix other elements with the colloidal silver i get a cloudy or even blackish colored solution, something i definitely would not inhale or spray in my eyes. jd -Original Message- From: Connie Horne To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, September 27, 1999 9:15 AM Subject: CS>nebulized CS >I have a question about nebulizing CS for bronchitis...I am a Resp. >Therapist and we were strongly warned not to nebulize liquids without saline >as it could/would cause bronchospasm. >Are people adding saline with the CS? >Connie > ^^ >>>''<< >U > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
