Re: CSRe: Is everyone on vacation- or conductivity of deionized water
Reid, your problem is that you are not an electrical engineer, and hence are having difficulty undeerstanding the problem. so I will asttempt to provide the missing data. Some things you will have to take on faith. You are puzzled about 109 volts dropping to 82 volts and the current going from 15 to 55 ma. What you have is a constant voltage system that does not have sufficient stiffness to deliver the current that your cell is demanding. The voltage drop is due to inadequate wire size in the transformer. If your transformer had enough beef the voltage would have stayed at 109 volts even as the current increased. It sounds like your transformer has less than a 100 va rating. In a constant current system set to regulate at 5 ma.the voltage will stay at about the no load value i.e. say 36 volts as the current increases from 0.20 ma to about 3 ma. then the voltage will start to drop as the current increases. When the current hits the 5 ma. set limit the voltage will be about 5 to 8 volts and will stay at that level and the current will stay at 5 ma. Hence the name constant current. Realize that when inadequate parts are put together all kinds of screwy results can and do happen. The amazing thing is that inspite of all of the shade tree engineering or lack of it, people make good CS. I happen to be a retired registered professional engineer witth degrees in electronics and power, so I tend to look at things with a different eye. I hope this clears up things for you. Ole Bob Reid Harvey wrote: Ole Bob, Thanks for helping me along with my understanding on this (and to Trem for straightening out the current vs. voltage situation). But are you saying that the two alternative approachs offer either a limitation on current by voltage or the other way round, a limitation on voltage by current? When you indicate the final voltage reading will go down it appears this system is not constant at all. In view of the two constant systems I'm a bit puzzled that when last I brewed CS neither the voltage nor the current remained constant. (N.B. It has proven fortuitous that for both of the two types of generators I use, for dilute and for concentrated CS, optimal results were achieved in the first times used, all variables at what they should have been, so I didn't see the problems that could come up until after achieving good results.) I'm now puzzled because the last time I brewed CS I had inital voltage of 109, with a final reading of 82 volts. Current initially was 15mA, the final reading 55mA, so neither current nor voltage remained constant. Why then are they referred to as constant systems? Or should they be referred to as a current limiting system and a voltage limiting system? I should also say, by way of knowing that on this last occasion the CS I ended up with was by no means optimal that I was aware the water was a bit impure. This appears to have been primarily due to contamination in transport because of the wrong kind of plastic lid. (I have since made gaskets out of the sides of a clorox bottle.) And I was compelled to let the generator go longer than it should have because the electrodes were initially too close to the glass and I was making a lot of silver oxide, not ions. So I had initial current of 15mA and final current of 55mA. Clearly I got large particle size CS, but not to worry since I know how to get it all right next time. Now I am merely a bit puzzled by your assertion that either the current or the voltage should remain constant. And I assume you meant that I would get a final reading of 80 volts, and not the 8 volts you mentioned. As usual I'm learning a lot from what you're saying, swo nothing negative is intended in my comments. Thanks again. Reid Ole Bob wrote: Hi Reid, The two low voltage systems are; 1.) Constant voltage like using several 9 volt batteries snapped to gether and connected to the silver in the brew cell. the voltage across the cell stays at constant value of the batteries. 2.) Constant current is were there is an electronic regulator in one of the wires to the cell that senses the cell current and when it approaches that limit, the internal electronics places a variable resistance in circuit so that the current cannot exceed the pre-set value. In this system the voltage across the cell drops to hold the current at the pre-set value. Since you are using 110 volts D.C. then you must be using a constant current mode. If you have a volt meter then the next time you make a run connect the voltmeter across the silver electrodes. Set the meter to read a voltage higher than 110 v. As the brew progress the volage will stay about constant for a while and then start to drop. I would guess that its final value will be about 8 to 10 volts. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message
CSRe: conductivity of deionized water
Dear Ole Bob, Thanks for this information, which is very helpful in clearing things up. It appears that what you are saying is that while there is nothing wrong with my generator per se, some of the wiring is inadequate. On the other hand I cannot particularly blame the folks who made the electrical component for us, since they had had little idea to what purpose we would be putting this, or that either voltage or current would vary so widely over time. But if in future they do beef up the wiring on the transformer and we do get constant voltage, then the time needed to get the same ppm will presumably decrease. And since voltage will remain constant the number of variables in the process will also decrease be one less. Regards, Reid Ole Bob wrote: Reid, your problem is that you are not an electrical engineer, and hence are having difficulty undeerstanding the problem. so I will asttempt to provide the missing data. Some things you will have to take on faith. You are puzzled about 109 volts dropping to 82 volts and the current going from 15 to 55 ma. What you have is a constant voltage system that does not have sufficient stiffness to deliver the current that your cell is demanding. The voltage drop is due to inadequate wire size in the transformer. If your transformer had enough beef the voltage would have stayed at 109 volts even as the current increased. It sounds like your transformer has less than a 100 va rating. In a constant current system set to regulate at 5 ma.the voltage will stay at about the no load value i.e. say 36 volts as the current increases from 0.20 ma to about 3 ma. then the voltage will start to drop as the current increases. When the current hits the 5 ma. set limit the voltage will be about 5 to 8 volts and will stay at that level and the current will stay at 5 ma. Hence the name constant current. Realize that when inadequate parts are put together all kinds of screwy results can and do happen. The amazing thing is that inspite of all of the shade tree engineering or lack of it, people make good CS. I happen to be a retired registered professional engineer witth degrees in electronics and power, so I tend to look at things with a different eye. I hope this clears up things for you. Ole Bob Reid Harvey wrote: Ole Bob, Thanks for helping me along with my understanding on this (and to Trem for straightening out the current vs. voltage situation). But are you saying that the two alternative approachs offer either a limitation on current by voltage or the other way round, a limitation on voltage by current? When you indicate the final voltage reading will go down it appears this system is not constant at all. In view of the two constant systems I'm a bit puzzled that when last I brewed CS neither the voltage nor the current remained constant. (N.B. It has proven fortuitous that for both of the two types of generators I use, for dilute and for concentrated CS, optimal results were achieved in the first times used, all variables at what they should have been, so I didn't see the problems that could come up until after achieving good results.) I'm now puzzled because the last time I brewed CS I had inital voltage of 109, with a final reading of 82 volts. Current initially was 15mA, the final reading 55mA, so neither current nor voltage remained constant. Why then are they referred to as constant systems? Or should they be referred to as a current limiting system and a voltage limiting system? I should also say, by way of knowing that on this last occasion the CS I ended up with was by no means optimal that I was aware the water was a bit impure. This appears to have been primarily due to contamination in transport because of the wrong kind of plastic lid. (I have since made gaskets out of the sides of a clorox bottle.) And I was compelled to let the generator go longer than it should have because the electrodes were initially too close to the glass and I was making a lot of silver oxide, not ions. So I had initial current of 15mA and final current of 55mA. Clearly I got large particle size CS, but not to worry since I know how to get it all right next time. Now I am merely a bit puzzled by your assertion that either the current or the voltage should remain constant. And I assume you meant that I would get a final reading of 80 volts, and not the 8 volts you mentioned. As usual I'm learning a lot from what you're saying, swo nothing negative is intended in my comments. Thanks again. Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List
Re: CSRe: Is everyone on vacation- or conductivity of deionized water
Hi Reid, The two low voltage systems are; 1.) Constant voltage like using several 9 volt batteries snapped to gether and connected to the silver in the brew cell. the voltage across the cell stays at constant value of the batteries. 2.) Constant current is were there is an electronic regulator in one of the wires to the cell that senses the cell current and when it approaches that limit, the internal electronics places a variable resistance in circuit so that the current cannot exceed the pre-set value. In this system the voltage across the cell drops to hold the current at the pre-set value. Since you are using 110 volts D.C. then you must be using a constant current mode. If you have a volt meter then the next time you make a run connect the voltmeter across the silver electrodes. Set the meter to read a voltage higher than 110 v. As the brew progress the volage will stay about constant for a while and then start to drop. I would guess that its final value will be about 8 to 10 volts. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSConstant currentRe: CSRe: Is everyone on vacation- or conductivity of deionized water
Hi Bob, I think you have it backwards. If Reid's using 110 VDC with no regulation as I thought he said he was, it's constant voltage not constant current he's working with. Trem - Original Message - From: bober...@postoffice.swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:44 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Is everyone on vacation- or conductivity of deionized water Hi Reid, The two low voltage systems are; 1.) Constant voltage like using several 9 volt batteries snapped to gether and connected to the silver in the brew cell. the voltage across the cell stays at constant value of the batteries. 2.) Constant current is were there is an electronic regulator in one of the wires to the cell that senses the cell current and when it approaches that limit, the internal electronics places a variable resistance in circuit so that the current cannot exceed the pre-set value. In this system the voltage across the cell drops to hold the current at the pre-set value. Since you are using 110 volts D.C. then you must be using a constant current mode. If you have a volt meter then the next time you make a run connect the voltmeter across the silver electrodes. Set the meter to read a voltage higher than 110 v. As the brew progress the volage will stay about constant for a while and then start to drop. I would guess that its final value will be about 8 to 10 volts. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConstant currentRe: CSRe: Is everyone on vacation- or conductivityof deionized water
Trem, You might be right,but I didn't think anyone used 110 v dc in a single cell. This one person that lines up 5 one gallon cells in series and uses 110 vdc. Ole Bob Trem wrote: Hi Bob, I think you have it backwards. If Reid's using 110 VDC with no regulation as I thought he said he was, it's constant voltage not constant current he's working with. Trem - Original Message - From: bober...@postoffice.swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:44 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Is everyone on vacation- or conductivity of deionized water Hi Reid, The two low voltage systems are; 1.) Constant voltage like using several 9 volt batteries snapped to gether and connected to the silver in the brew cell. the voltage across the cell stays at constant value of the batteries. 2.) Constant current is were there is an electronic regulator in one of the wires to the cell that senses the cell current and when it approaches that limit, the internal electronics places a variable resistance in circuit so that the current cannot exceed the pre-set value. In this system the voltage across the cell drops to hold the current at the pre-set value. Since you are using 110 volts D.C. then you must be using a constant current mode. If you have a volt meter then the next time you make a run connect the voltmeter across the silver electrodes. Set the meter to read a voltage higher than 110 v. As the brew progress the volage will stay about constant for a while and then start to drop. I would guess that its final value will be about 8 to 10 volts. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConstant currentRe: CSRe: Is everyone on vacation- or conductivityof deionized water
Bob, Rightbut no matter how many cells are in series, it's still constant voltage across any cell or combination of cells. Trem - Original Message - From: bober...@postoffice.swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:55 PM Subject: Re: CSConstant currentRe: CSRe: Is everyone on vacation- or conductivityof deionized water Trem, You might be right,but I didn't think anyone used 110 v dc in a single cell. This one person that lines up 5 one gallon cells in series and uses 110 vdc. Ole Bob Trem wrote: Hi Bob, I think you have it backwards. If Reid's using 110 VDC with no regulation as I thought he said he was, it's constant voltage not constant current he's working with. Trem - Original Message - From: bober...@postoffice.swbell.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:44 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: Is everyone on vacation- or conductivity of deionized water Hi Reid, The two low voltage systems are; 1.) Constant voltage like using several 9 volt batteries snapped to gether and connected to the silver in the brew cell. the voltage across the cell stays at constant value of the batteries. 2.) Constant current is were there is an electronic regulator in one of the wires to the cell that senses the cell current and when it approaches that limit, the internal electronics places a variable resistance in circuit so that the current cannot exceed the pre-set value. In this system the voltage across the cell drops to hold the current at the pre-set value. Since you are using 110 volts D.C. then you must be using a constant current mode. If you have a volt meter then the next time you make a run connect the voltmeter across the silver electrodes. Set the meter to read a voltage higher than 110 v. As the brew progress the volage will stay about constant for a while and then start to drop. I would guess that its final value will be about 8 to 10 volts. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConstant currentRe: CSRe: Is everyone on vacation- orconductivityof deionized water
Trem, You missed the point. If he is using 110 vdc on one cell, he almost has to be running a constant current system. We need to check the person's system his is copying. Back in February of 1999 when I was investigating 280 to 330 volts in minutes agglomeration set in ans the CS became like Mississippi river water at 60-100ma. Then the current leveled off and started back down, and in 60 minutes the CS was crystal clear and the final current was 1/3 the maximun. The T.E.M showed particles of 16 to 86 nm in size. If you want a copy of the data sheet I will try to scan it for you. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Is everyone on vacation- or conductivity of deionized water
Ole Bob, Thanks for helping me along with my understanding on this (and to Trem for straightening out the current vs. voltage situation). But are you saying that the two alternative approachs offer either a limitation on current by voltage or the other way round, a limitation on voltage by current? When you indicate the final voltage reading will go down it appears this system is not constant at all. In view of the two constant systems I'm a bit puzzled that when last I brewed CS neither the voltage nor the current remained constant. (N.B. It has proven fortuitous that for both of the two types of generators I use, for dilute and for concentrated CS, optimal results were achieved in the first times used, all variables at what they should have been, so I didn't see the problems that could come up until after achieving good results.) I'm now puzzled because the last time I brewed CS I had inital voltage of 109, with a final reading of 82 volts. Current initially was 15mA, the final reading 55mA, so neither current nor voltage remained constant. Why then are they referred to as constant systems? Or should they be referred to as a current limiting system and a voltage limiting system? I should also say, by way of knowing that on this last occasion the CS I ended up with was by no means optimal that I was aware the water was a bit impure. This appears to have been primarily due to contamination in transport because of the wrong kind of plastic lid. (I have since made gaskets out of the sides of a clorox bottle.) And I was compelled to let the generator go longer than it should have because the electrodes were initially too close to the glass and I was making a lot of silver oxide, not ions. So I had initial current of 15mA and final current of 55mA. Clearly I got large particle size CS, but not to worry since I know how to get it all right next time. Now I am merely a bit puzzled by your assertion that either the current or the voltage should remain constant. And I assume you meant that I would get a final reading of 80 volts, and not the 8 volts you mentioned. As usual I'm learning a lot from what you're saying, swo nothing negative is intended in my comments. Thanks again. Reid Ole Bob wrote: Hi Reid, The two low voltage systems are; 1.) Constant voltage like using several 9 volt batteries snapped to gether and connected to the silver in the brew cell. the voltage across the cell stays at constant value of the batteries. 2.) Constant current is were there is an electronic regulator in one of the wires to the cell that senses the cell current and when it approaches that limit, the internal electronics places a variable resistance in circuit so that the current cannot exceed the pre-set value. In this system the voltage across the cell drops to hold the current at the pre-set value. Since you are using 110 volts D.C. then you must be using a constant current mode. If you have a volt meter then the next time you make a run connect the voltmeter across the silver electrodes. Set the meter to read a voltage higher than 110 v. As the brew progress the volage will stay about constant for a while and then start to drop. I would guess that its final value will be about 8 to 10 volts. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Is everyone on vacation- or conductivity of deionized water
Ole Bob, I'm an absolute novice when it comes to electricity, in spite of my know-it-all attitude, so you would have to spell out for me what it is you mean. For example, what is a constant current regulator and of what two systems do you speak? Otherwise I could tell you some of my other variables: I use a generator based on Terry Chamberlin's design (God love him!). It's 110volts DC, the container four liters. The two electrodes are 5 inches apart, each 1.2 x 7.0 mm, with about 15.0 cms. length in solution. So the wet area is 24.6 cms. sq. for each. Incidentally, I get these electrodes for a really good price here, what amounts to about US$10.00 apiece. I think part of the low price is that the wholesaler buys this in quantity and in the rolling from ingots the labor cost is low. The ingots are marked: Degussa Feinsilber, .999, our impression that it's processed in Switzerland. A trusted assistant hand carries the metal from the seller to the processer, then watches the rolling. If there was enough interest I could probably bring electrodes in quantity when my family comes to the U.S. in July. Thanks for your kind enlightenment. Reid Ole Bob said: Hi Reid, Something may be wrong!!! Example: when I did my development work on constant voltage CS using 14 oz of DW using 2 #14 Ag wires 2 1/2 apart the initial current was 0.25 ma which was the same reading the for the conductivity of the DW as read on my one cubic centimeter conductivity testor. The same holds true for the initial readings of constant current systems. Until the c.c. regulator cuts in there is no difference between the two systems as far as the current is concerned. Did you by any chance read the meter incorrectly??? Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Is everyone on vacation- or conductivity of deionized water
James, Sorry I've been a bit slow to respond. The first CS we made with this water had a starting current of 4.5mA, and my impression is this indicates low conductivity. At some point we will test for TDS, but based on the 4.5mA, and the beautiful CS, output at the end of an hour it appears it will work fine for us. Final current was 15mA. Thanks, Reid James-Osbourne: Holmes wrote: What is the conductivity of the water produced by this method? -Original Message- From: Reid Harvey [mailto:ceram...@bol-online.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 6:59 PM To: silver list Subject:CSRe: Is everyone on vacation?? Alright already Al, Scanning the topics of the digest I realized I haven't had any input here lately, succumbing to the bad temptation to think I know everything there is to know about CS. So here's a bit of news: DEIONIZED WATER MADE CHEAP. A Colleague here searched out a plant that produces deionized water, the method incredibly simple. The system conisists of about twenty sections of pvc pipe, each about 50 cms. long. Inside each is a layer of some type of resin and then a layer of glass wool. The water is input into the first section and progressively goes through to the last, coming out deionized. We will hope to put such a system in place for ourselves, but in the meantime we're buying the water for cost, since it's a friend who runs the plant. We pay 9 cents per liter (US$0.09). So who needs steam distilled? Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: deionized water
aKa Jhon wrote: Is it better to use??? -Original Message- From: Tai-Pan l...@fbtc.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: maj.yo...@ellijay.com maj.yo...@ellijay.com Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 5:33 PM Subject: Re: deionized water aKa Jhon wrote: What is deionized water and is it good to drink as regular distilled water? Thanks,, Hi John, Good question. Deionized water and distilled water are NOT the same thing. Regular water can be deionized by running it thru an activated charcoal filter, its still not pure or pathogenically safe to drink. Deionized water means it has been given an equal number of H+ and OH- ions ,in other words its neutral in the PH scale. Distilled water is usually made PH neutral (deionized) by passing it thru an activated charcoal filter. The SEARS distiller does that. Deionization does not make water safe to drink or clean, distilling will make the water clean (pure) and safe to drink ( sterile). There were postings on PH. They can be reposted if anyone wants them. Bless you Bob Lee -- oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast l...@fbtc.net Hi John, Your question is: Is it better to use? Your original question was: What is deionized water,(?) Is it (as) good to drink as (compared) to regular distilled water? Its your choice John,there is no such thing as better, its all in what you want your water to be. If you have clean ,sterile, deionized water and want to drink it ,thats fine. If you have clean,sterile,deionized distilled water and you want to drink it,thats fine. Its your choice. If your water can only claim its deionized and thats all its got going for it I`d pass on it. Thats my choice. You make your own choice. :-) Bless youBob Lee All answers are made on list so other persons may comment and make their own observations on postings. Their input is important because they may know things the rest of us don`t, or have an important view point of interest to all of us. -- oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast l...@fbtc.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: deionized water
aKa Jhon wrote: What is deionized water and is it good to drink as regular distilled water? Thanks,, Hi John, Good question. Deionized water and distilled water are NOT the same thing. Regular water can be deionized by running it thru an activated charcoal filter, its still not pure or pathogenically safe to drink. Deionized water means it has been given an equal number of H+ and OH- ions ,in other words its neutral in the PH scale. Distilled water is usually made PH neutral (deionized) by passing it thru an activated charcoal filter. The SEARS distiller does that. Deionization does not make water safe to drink or clean, distilling will make the water clean (pure) and safe to drink ( sterile). There were postings on PH. They can be reposted if anyone wants them. Bless you Bob Lee -- oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast l...@fbtc.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
deionized water
What is deionized water and is it good to drink as regular distilled water? Thanks,,
