Re: [Simh] Off topic: ULTRIX question

[Clem Cole]

The Intel C/C++ and Fortran Compiler is available for free for Open Source
Contributors:
https://software.intel.com/en-us/qualify-for-free-software/opensourcecontributor

I was just in a meeting with some folks and I verified that an open source
project that wants to use the Intel tools may do so.   Note this is only
the Linux suite at the moment, I'm going to see if that can be made a
little wider.  But Gary and others that I trying to revive old code for smh
and bitsavers might be able to sign up for copies of these tools.   As I
said, the Fortran in particular is a descendent (or at least in some shared
DNA) with the old DEC compilers and code should love fairly easily.

Clem
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Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 138, Issue 37

[Leo Broukhis]

On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:18:34 +0200, Hans-Ulrich Hölscher
 wrote:
>
>>> That sounds like the really easy way to do it.   Does it copy>> track 0 of 
>>> RX01/02 floppies?> > I had some experience with RX01/02 floppies when 
>>> reviving LSX using> logical copies of the disks. Track 0 will be logically 
>>> at the very > end. The problem is with media size 256256: if the logical 
>>> block size> is 512,  two physical 128-byte sectors (the boot sectors) will 
>>> be> lost, and the logical copy will be 256000 bytes long.> > Leo
>
> I must admit I used my VMS MOUNT/FOR & COPY method only with RX50 floppies 
> and RD and RZ disks.
> Leo, what method did you use?
> I was quite sure my method catches ALL sectors ...

On some Unix V6, "od /dev/rx0" or similar was used, and the serial
console output was intercepted.
Disk devices are block devices (raw access to block devices not yet
invented, so no "/dev/rrx0" :( ), and the block size is 512, thus only
256000 bytes were returned.

Leo
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Re: [Simh] vector images

[Dave G4UGM]

Well the simplest way is to use the installer service and tell it to extract 
but not install as that doesn’t require any additional software. Its called an 
“administrative install” but really it just unpacks..
 
msiexec /a pathtoMSIfile /qb TARGETDIR=pathtotargetfolder
 
A quick google brought up this list of other tools
 
https://www.raymond.cc/blog/how-to-view-and-extract-contents-from-a-msi-file/
 
but in any case the specific vector graphic versions of CPM appear to be 
available as ZIP and self extracting .exe files on the web sites others have 
pointed to. E.G.
 
http://schorn.ch/altair_5.php
 
has a CPM archive
 
Dave
G4UGM
 
From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Armistead, 
Jason BIS
Sent: 17 July 2015 14:41
To: simh@trailing-edge.com
Subject: Re: [Simh] vector images
 
Surely it is possible to extract files from SETUP.MSI without running the 
installer.  Someone must have the tools to do this (either commercial or 
freeware perhaps ?).
 
Another alternative is to run a virtual Windows OS image inside something like 
VirtualBox, thus avoiding any problems “destroying” your day-to-day Windows 
host system (if you even have one).  I you didn’t specify what Windows version 
the rimh altairz80 emulator requires, so this may or may not be possible.  
Other alternatives to VirtualBox might be something like the Bochs IA-32 
emulator.
 
From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Handy
Sent: Thursday, 16 July 2015 8:50 PM
To: Dennis Boone
Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com  
Subject: Re: [Simh] vector images
 
Yes, they are there, in a file called "setup.msi", and nowhere else.
So, as long as you ahve a windows machine that you don;t care if it installs 
older file on top of newer ones,  I had to re-install too many windows systems 
because of this, and finding all of the right install pckges, and figuring out 
the proprt order to reinstall them to get a working system was always a pain. 
msi is the old install format that comonly had this problem.
However, I think I have come up with a painful, roundabout way to extract the 
files, maybe. If not, I was just curious about its memory mapped video, ans if 
the flexwriter emulation was useful enough to bother with. If this doesn't 
work, I'll just have to give up on it.
 
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Dennis Boone mailto:d...@msu.edu> > wrote:
 > Many companies builf computers that  used this operating system, like
 > the altair, imsai, osborne, kaypro, and vector graPhics to name a
 > few.  Many years later, the rimh altairz80 emulator was written with
 > the abiliry ro emulate the vector graphic machines, but the only copy
 > of the necessary config and disk images was wrapped up in a miceosoft
 > install file called setup.msi.

1. Vector Graphic, no s.

2. Most of the stuff in the altairz80 kits is probably available from
vector-archive.org  .

De

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Re: [Simh] vector images

[Ken Cornetet]

msiexec /a pathtoMSIfile /qb TARGETDIR=pathtotargetfolder


From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Armistead, 
Jason BIS
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:41 AM
To: simh@trailing-edge.com
Subject: Re: [Simh] vector images

Surely it is possible to extract files from SETUP.MSI without running the 
installer.  Someone must have the tools to do this (either commercial or 
freeware perhaps ?).

Another alternative is to run a virtual Windows OS image inside something like 
VirtualBox, thus avoiding any problems “destroying” your day-to-day Windows 
host system (if you even have one).  I you didn’t specify what Windows version 
the rimh altairz80 emulator requires, so this may or may not be possible.  
Other alternatives to VirtualBox might be something like the Bochs IA-32 
emulator.

From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Handy
Sent: Thursday, 16 July 2015 8:50 PM
To: Dennis Boone
Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com
Subject: Re: [Simh] vector images

Yes, they are there, in a file called "setup.msi", and nowhere else.
So, as long as you ahve a windows machine that you don;t care if it installs 
older file on top of newer ones,  I had to re-install too many windows systems 
because of this, and finding all of the right install pckges, and figuring out 
the proprt order to reinstall them to get a working system was always a pain. 
msi is the old install format that comonly had this problem.
However, I think I have come up with a painful, roundabout way to extract the 
files, maybe. If not, I was just curious about its memory mapped video, ans if 
the flexwriter emulation was useful enough to bother with. If this doesn't 
work, I'll just have to give up on it.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Dennis Boone 
mailto:d...@msu.edu>> wrote:
 > Many companies builf computers that  used this operating system, like
 > the altair, imsai, osborne, kaypro, and vector graPhics to name a
 > few.  Many years later, the rimh altairz80 emulator was written with
 > the abiliry ro emulate the vector graphic machines, but the only copy
 > of the necessary config and disk images was wrapped up in a miceosoft
 > install file called setup.msi.

1. Vector Graphic, no s.

2. Most of the stuff in the altairz80 kits is probably available from
vector-archive.org.

De

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Re: [Simh] vector images

[Christian Brunschen]

>From the link I posted
,
Lessmsi  seems to be a good solution.
Requires a Windows system to run, but isn't going to be overwriting
anything.

// Christian



On 17 July 2015 at 15:41, Armistead, Jason BIS 
wrote:

>  Surely it is possible to extract files from SETUP.MSI without running
> the installer.  Someone must have the tools to do this (either commercial
> or freeware perhaps ?).
>
>
>
> Another alternative is to run a virtual Windows OS image inside something
> like VirtualBox, thus avoiding any problems “destroying” your day-to-day
> Windows host system (if you even have one).  I you didn’t specify what
> Windows version the rimh altairz80 emulator requires, so this may or may
> not be possible.  Other alternatives to VirtualBox might be something like
> the Bochs IA-32 emulator.
>
>
>
> *From:* Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] *On Behalf Of *Kevin
> Handy
> *Sent:* Thursday, 16 July 2015 8:50 PM
> *To:* Dennis Boone
> *Cc:* simh@trailing-edge.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Simh] vector images
>
>
>
> Yes, they are there, in a file called "setup.msi", and nowhere else.
>
> So, as long as you ahve a windows machine that you don;t care if it
> installs older file on top of newer ones,  I had to re-install too many
> windows systems because of this, and finding all of the right install
> pckges, and figuring out the proprt order to reinstall them to get a
> working system was always a pain. msi is the old install format that
> comonly had this problem.
>
> However, I think I have come up with a painful, roundabout way to extract
> the files, maybe. If not, I was just curious about its memory mapped video,
> ans if the flexwriter emulation was useful enough to bother with. If this
> doesn't work, I'll just have to give up on it.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Dennis Boone  wrote:
>
>  > Many companies builf computers that  used this operating system, like
>  > the altair, imsai, osborne, kaypro, and vector graPhics to name a
>  > few.  Many years later, the rimh altairz80 emulator was written with
>  > the abiliry ro emulate the vector graphic machines, but the only copy
>  > of the necessary config and disk images was wrapped up in a miceosoft
>  > install file called setup.msi.
>
> 1. Vector Graphic, no s.
>
> 2. Most of the stuff in the altairz80 kits is probably available from
> vector-archive.org.
>
> De
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Re: [Simh] vector images

[Armistead, Jason BIS]

Surely it is possible to extract files from SETUP.MSI without running the 
installer.  Someone must have the tools to do this (either commercial or 
freeware perhaps ?).

Another alternative is to run a virtual Windows OS image inside something like 
VirtualBox, thus avoiding any problems “destroying” your day-to-day Windows 
host system (if you even have one).  I you didn’t specify what Windows version 
the rimh altairz80 emulator requires, so this may or may not be possible.  
Other alternatives to VirtualBox might be something like the Bochs IA-32 
emulator.

From: Simh [mailto:simh-boun...@trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Handy
Sent: Thursday, 16 July 2015 8:50 PM
To: Dennis Boone
Cc: simh@trailing-edge.com
Subject: Re: [Simh] vector images

Yes, they are there, in a file called "setup.msi", and nowhere else.
So, as long as you ahve a windows machine that you don;t care if it installs 
older file on top of newer ones,  I had to re-install too many windows systems 
because of this, and finding all of the right install pckges, and figuring out 
the proprt order to reinstall them to get a working system was always a pain. 
msi is the old install format that comonly had this problem.
However, I think I have come up with a painful, roundabout way to extract the 
files, maybe. If not, I was just curious about its memory mapped video, ans if 
the flexwriter emulation was useful enough to bother with. If this doesn't 
work, I'll just have to give up on it.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Dennis Boone 
mailto:d...@msu.edu>> wrote:
 > Many companies builf computers that  used this operating system, like
 > the altair, imsai, osborne, kaypro, and vector graPhics to name a
 > few.  Many years later, the rimh altairz80 emulator was written with
 > the abiliry ro emulate the vector graphic machines, but the only copy
 > of the necessary config and disk images was wrapped up in a miceosoft
 > install file called setup.msi.

1. Vector Graphic, no s.

2. Most of the stuff in the altairz80 kits is probably available from
vector-archive.org.

De

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[Simh] DEC floppy disk interleave questions

[Hans-Ulrich Hölscher]

>> That sounds like the really easy way to do it.   Does it copy>> track 0 of 
>> RX01/02 floppies?> > I had some experience with RX01/02 floppies when 
>> reviving LSX using> logical copies of the disks. Track 0 will be logically 
>> at the very > end. The problem is with media size 256256: if the logical 
>> block size> is 512,  two physical 128-byte sectors (the boot sectors) will 
>> be> lost, and the logical copy will be 256000 bytes long.> > Leo

I must admit I used my VMS MOUNT/FOR & COPY method only with RX50 floppies and 
RD and RZ disks.
Leo, what method did you use?
I was quite sure my method catches ALL sectors ...

Regards,

Ulli

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