Re: [Simh] Pascal 1.3 manual for RSX 11 4.6
On 2016-02-02 18:55, Will Senn wrote:
Yeeha! I compiled a working Pascal program :). Here's how:
logged in as USER password USER (DCL is default):
$ edt HELLO.PAS
Input file does not exist
[EOB]
*i
program hello(output);
begin
write('hello, world');
end.
^Z
[EOB]
*ex
DB0:[USER]HELLO.PAS;1 5 lines
$ pascal HELLO.PAS
$
$ tkb HELLO,HELLO=HELLO,LB:[1,1]PASOTS/LB
$
$ run HELLO
hello, world
Thanks Johnny!
You are welcome.
That said, there are a few points I should make here.
As you log into the demo account, you are getting into DCL.
DCL is a CLI, but it is not the same as MCR. Thus, DCL actually have
different commands, but normally if DCL do not understand what you
wrote, it passes it on to MCR, which saved you here.
So, editing in DCL is normally done with the command "EDIT". "EDT" is
the MCR command.
You are using the DCL PASCAL command, good.
TKB is once more a MCR command. The DCL command would be:
LINK HELLO,LB:[1,1]PASOTS/LIBRARY
DCL commands and qualifiers can be abbreviated. See HELP.
Johnny
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Re: [Simh] Pascal 1.3 manual for RSX 11 4.6
On 2/2/16 8:50 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2016-02-02 15:22, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2016-02-02 15:07, Will Senn wrote:
On 2/1/16 5:33 PM, Will Senn wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone know where I could find copy of a Pascal manual for RSX
11? Preferably Pascal version 1.3. I'm running it on RSX 11 v4.6 in
SimH and the PAS> prompt is singularly unrevealing about how it is
used (CTRL-D will exit though, which is better than the alternative).
This is the tape for the pascal that I've installed:
ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/rsxdists/pascal_v1_3.zip
Thanks,
Will
OK. So I searched help (after building a new environment that worked
properly) and figured out it's some kind of interactive pascal compiler
that can also be run as a command line. So, I compiled a pascal file
from the command line and lo and behold, it produced a nice looking
object file. But, when I tried to link it as is, it appears to
depend on
an external library. This makes perfect sense, but raises a couple of
questions that I'm hoping y'all might could answer:
"Interactive" meaning you can either get a prompt, and compile several
files while running the compiler, or just do one file at the time and
stop/start the compiler each time, I guess.
But yes, for any language that you want to link, you need to language
specific library included.
1. What's the name/location of the file(s) containing the pascal
delivered external functions (write, print, etc)?
Not sure, but I would suspect it would be LB:[1,1]PASLIB.OLB, but just
do a DIR LB:[1,1]PAS*.OLB, and you should spot it.
2. If you recall a typical Pascal workflow with RSX-11M Plus, what was
it (or was it simply, edit, compile, and link to the above referenced
libraries)?
Yes.
That is normally how you do it with any language.
That said, if you have a little more complex software system, you
usually create a couple of command files containing commands, so that
you don't have to type it all each time.
So, for PASCAL, you might have a COMPILE.CMD, which holds the arguments
you give to the PASCAL compiler, and then you'd just do PAS @COMPILE
And then the same for the linking/task building. Maybe called LINK.CMD,
and then you'd do TKB @LINK
TKB have a lot of functions and features, and having to type it all in
every time is tedious and error prone. Much better to have that in a
file, which you just use.
All that said - assuming the PASCAL library is LB:[1,1]PASLIB.OLB, a
simple commandline would be:
TKB FOO,FOO=FOO,LB:[1,1]PASLIB/LB
Johnny
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Yeeha! I compiled a working Pascal program :). Here's how:
logged in as USER password USER (DCL is default):
$ edt HELLO.PAS
Input file does not exist
[EOB]
*i
program hello(output);
begin
write('hello, world');
end.
^Z
[EOB]
*ex
DB0:[USER]HELLO.PAS;1 5 lines
$ pascal HELLO.PAS
$
$ tkb HELLO,HELLO=HELLO,LB:[1,1]PASOTS/LB
$
$ run HELLO
hello, world
Thanks Johnny!
Will
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Re: [Simh] Pascal 1.3 manual for RSX 11 4.6
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 06:58:25 -0800 Al Kossow wrote: > here is the SPD > > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP1418/SP1418PF.PDF That's unbelievable. Is there a way to cruise through all their old doc? How do you find things of interest? -- Please do not copy me on mailing list replies. I read the mailing list. RSA 4096 fingerprint 7940 3F02 16D3 AFEE F2F8 ACAA 557C 4B36 98E4 4D49 ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Pascal 1.3 manual for RSX 11 4.6
Al Kossow wrote: > here is the SPD > > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP1418/SP1418PF.PDF And the second page of the SPD even mentions "On-line Debugging Technique (ODT)" - the topic of one of our other recent SIMH mailing list threads !!! ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Interdata OS/32 - adding disks
On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 10:14:23PM -0500, Davis Johnson wrote: > > There were two SMD controllers, older "MSM" and newer "IDC". The IDC > controller relaxed some of the restrictions on mixing drives in the same > string. I had an MSM300 and 2 MSM80 drives configured so the controller shouldn't have been an issue. > > Try configuring multiple identical disks. I know that I've done that with > SIMH. I configured 3 MSM80 drives and the results surprised me. dm0 remained on DSC4 and dm1 was on DSC3 and dm2 on DSC5. I would have thought dm0 would have been allocated to the first MSM80 drive, DSC3. The new drives formatted ok. Ah, I just got it: DSC4 is address FC, DCS3, FD, and DSC5, FE. The simh drives are assigned by address. Ok, I went back to my previous sysgen and set/attached the drives properly and it worked. The problem was that I was getting the drives all mixed up! Thanks for the suggestion about using 3 identical drives - it got me going in the right direction. Don ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Pascal 1.3 manual for RSX 11 4.6
here is the SPD http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP1418/SP1418PF.PDF On 2/1/16 3:33 PM, Will Senn wrote: Hi, Does anyone know where I could find copy of a Pascal manual for RSX 11? Preferably Pascal version 1.3. I'm running it on RSX 11 v4.6 in SimH and the PAS> prompt is singularly unrevealing about how it is used (CTRL-D will exit though, which is better than the alternative). This is the tape for the pascal that I've installed: ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/rsxdists/pascal_v1_3.zip Thanks, Will ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Pascal 1.3 manual for RSX 11 4.6
On 2016-02-02 15:22, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2016-02-02 15:07, Will Senn wrote: On 2/1/16 5:33 PM, Will Senn wrote: Hi, Does anyone know where I could find copy of a Pascal manual for RSX 11? Preferably Pascal version 1.3. I'm running it on RSX 11 v4.6 in SimH and the PAS> prompt is singularly unrevealing about how it is used (CTRL-D will exit though, which is better than the alternative). This is the tape for the pascal that I've installed: ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/rsxdists/pascal_v1_3.zip Thanks, Will OK. So I searched help (after building a new environment that worked properly) and figured out it's some kind of interactive pascal compiler that can also be run as a command line. So, I compiled a pascal file from the command line and lo and behold, it produced a nice looking object file. But, when I tried to link it as is, it appears to depend on an external library. This makes perfect sense, but raises a couple of questions that I'm hoping y'all might could answer: "Interactive" meaning you can either get a prompt, and compile several files while running the compiler, or just do one file at the time and stop/start the compiler each time, I guess. But yes, for any language that you want to link, you need to language specific library included. 1. What's the name/location of the file(s) containing the pascal delivered external functions (write, print, etc)? Not sure, but I would suspect it would be LB:[1,1]PASLIB.OLB, but just do a DIR LB:[1,1]PAS*.OLB, and you should spot it. 2. If you recall a typical Pascal workflow with RSX-11M Plus, what was it (or was it simply, edit, compile, and link to the above referenced libraries)? Yes. That is normally how you do it with any language. That said, if you have a little more complex software system, you usually create a couple of command files containing commands, so that you don't have to type it all each time. So, for PASCAL, you might have a COMPILE.CMD, which holds the arguments you give to the PASCAL compiler, and then you'd just do PAS @COMPILE And then the same for the linking/task building. Maybe called LINK.CMD, and then you'd do TKB @LINK TKB have a lot of functions and features, and having to type it all in every time is tedious and error prone. Much better to have that in a file, which you just use. All that said - assuming the PASCAL library is LB:[1,1]PASLIB.OLB, a simple commandline would be: TKB FOO,FOO=FOO,LB:[1,1]PASLIB/LB Johnny ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Pascal 1.3 manual for RSX 11 4.6
On 2016-02-02 15:07, Will Senn wrote: On 2/1/16 5:33 PM, Will Senn wrote: Hi, Does anyone know where I could find copy of a Pascal manual for RSX 11? Preferably Pascal version 1.3. I'm running it on RSX 11 v4.6 in SimH and the PAS> prompt is singularly unrevealing about how it is used (CTRL-D will exit though, which is better than the alternative). This is the tape for the pascal that I've installed: ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/rsxdists/pascal_v1_3.zip Thanks, Will OK. So I searched help (after building a new environment that worked properly) and figured out it's some kind of interactive pascal compiler that can also be run as a command line. So, I compiled a pascal file from the command line and lo and behold, it produced a nice looking object file. But, when I tried to link it as is, it appears to depend on an external library. This makes perfect sense, but raises a couple of questions that I'm hoping y'all might could answer: "Interactive" meaning you can either get a prompt, and compile several files while running the compiler, or just do one file at the time and stop/start the compiler each time, I guess. But yes, for any language that you want to link, you need to language specific library included. 1. What's the name/location of the file(s) containing the pascal delivered external functions (write, print, etc)? Not sure, but I would suspect it would be LB:[1,1]PASLIB.OLB, but just do a DIR LB:[1,1]PAS*.OLB, and you should spot it. 2. If you recall a typical Pascal workflow with RSX-11M Plus, what was it (or was it simply, edit, compile, and link to the above referenced libraries)? Yes. That is normally how you do it with any language. That said, if you have a little more complex software system, you usually create a couple of command files containing commands, so that you don't have to type it all each time. So, for PASCAL, you might have a COMPILE.CMD, which holds the arguments you give to the PASCAL compiler, and then you'd just do PAS @COMPILE And then the same for the linking/task building. Maybe called LINK.CMD, and then you'd do TKB @LINK TKB have a lot of functions and features, and having to type it all in every time is tedious and error prone. Much better to have that in a file, which you just use. Johnny ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Pascal 1.3 manual for RSX 11 4.6
On 2/1/16 5:33 PM, Will Senn wrote: Hi, Does anyone know where I could find copy of a Pascal manual for RSX 11? Preferably Pascal version 1.3. I'm running it on RSX 11 v4.6 in SimH and the PAS> prompt is singularly unrevealing about how it is used (CTRL-D will exit though, which is better than the alternative). This is the tape for the pascal that I've installed: ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/rsxdists/pascal_v1_3.zip Thanks, Will OK. So I searched help (after building a new environment that worked properly) and figured out it's some kind of interactive pascal compiler that can also be run as a command line. So, I compiled a pascal file from the command line and lo and behold, it produced a nice looking object file. But, when I tried to link it as is, it appears to depend on an external library. This makes perfect sense, but raises a couple of questions that I'm hoping y'all might could answer: 1. What's the name/location of the file(s) containing the pascal delivered external functions (write, print, etc)? 2. If you recall a typical Pascal workflow with RSX-11M Plus, what was it (or was it simply, edit, compile, and link to the above referenced libraries)? Thanks, Will ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
Re: [Simh] Pascal 1.3 manual for RSX 11 4.6
Well, depending on how your terminal is set up, ^C would also not finish the program. But it would give you a CLI prompt anyway. ^Z is EOF in all DEC OSes, and that would exit from pretty much any program. Johnny On 2016-02-02 02:27, Will Senn wrote: Oops. CTRL-C. Is there a better way? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2016-02-02 00:33, Will Senn wrote: Hi, Does anyone know where I could find copy of a Pascal manual for RSX 11? Preferably Pascal version 1.3. I'm running it on RSX 11 v4.6 in SimH and the PAS> prompt is singularly unrevealing about how it is used (CTRL-D will exit though, which is better than the alternative). This is the tape for the pascal that I've installed: ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/rsxdists/pascal_v1_3.zip ^D to exit??? Are you sure? That just sounds so unlikely. Apart from that, I have no idea where any manuals might be found. As for how to use it, it should have installed some HELP files, at least. Have you tried HELP PAS? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol ___ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
