Re: Re: [singularity] Ten years to the Singularity ??

[Ben Goertzel]

Well, the requirements to **design** an AGI on the high level are much
steeper than the requirements to contribute (as part of a team) to the
**implementation** (and working out of design details) of AGI.

I dare say that anyone with a good knowledge of C++, Linux, and
undergraduate computer science -- and who has done a decent amount of
reading in cognitive science -- has the background to contribute to an
AGI project such as Novamente.

Perhaps the Novamente project is now at the stage where it could
benefit from 3-4 "junior" AI software developers.  But even if so, the
problem still exists of finding say $100K to pay these folks for a
year.  Still, this is not so much funding to find, and it's an
interesting possible direction to take.  So far  I have been skeptical
of the ability of more "junior" folks to really contribute, but I
think the project may be at a level of maturity now where this may be
sensible...

Something for me to think about during the holidays...

-- Ben

On 12/15/06, Hank Conn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

"I'm also surprised there aren't more programmers or AGI enthusiasts who
aren't willing to work for beans to further this goal.  We're just two
students in Arizona, but we'd both gladly give up our current lives to work
for 15-20G's a year and pull 80 hour weeks eating this stuff up.  Having a
family is valid excuse, but there are others out there who aren't tied
down.  We may not have PhD's, but we learn quickly."

I know a lot of people in this position (myself included)... although I
think the problem is that creating AGI requires you to have a lot of
background knowledge and experience to be able design and solve problems on
that level (way more than I have probably).

-hank


On 12/12/06, Josh Treadwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What kind of numbers are we talking here to fund a single AGI project like
Novamente?  If I could, I'd instantly dedicate all my time and resources to
developing AI, but because most of my knowledge is auto didactic, I don't
get considered for any jobs.  So for now, I'm stuck in the drudgery of
working 60 hours a week doing IT, while struggling to complete and pay for
college.  As soon as I get out of school I'll have to start paying off
student loans, which won't be feasable in an AGI position (due to lack of
adequate funding).
>
> Thus, a friend of mine and I have decided to take the lower road and start
building lame websites (myspace profile template pages, ggle.com like
pages, other lame ad-words pages) in order to (a) quit our jobs, and (b)
fund our own or others research.  It boggles my mind that no one has become
financially successful and decided to throw a significant sum of money at
Novamente and the like.  For the love of Pete, sacrificing a single
Budweiser Superbowl commercial could fund years of AGI research.  I'm also
surprised there aren't more programmers or AGI enthusiasts who aren't
willing to work for beans to further this goal.  We're just two students in
Arizona, but we'd both gladly give up our current lives to work for 15-20G's
a year and pull 80 hour weeks eating this stuff up.  Having a family is
valid excuse, but there are others out there who aren't tied down.  We may
not have PhD's, but we learn quickly.
>
>
> BTW Ben, for the love of God, can you please tell me when your AGI book is
coming out?  It's been in my Amazon shopping cart for 6 months now!  How
about I just pay you via paypal, and you send me a PDF?
>
>
> Josh Treadwell
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Re: [singularity] Ten years to the Singularity ??

[Hank Conn]

"I'm also surprised there aren't more programmers or AGI enthusiasts who
aren't willing to work for beans to further this goal.  We're just two
students in Arizona, but we'd both gladly give up our current lives to work
for 15-20G's a year and pull 80 hour weeks eating this stuff up.  Having a
family is valid excuse, but there are others out there who aren't tied
down.  We may not have PhD's, but we learn quickly."

I know a lot of people in this position (myself included)... although I
think the problem is that creating AGI requires you to have a lot of
background knowledge and experience to be able design and solve problems on
that level (way more than I have probably).

-hank


On 12/12/06, Josh Treadwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


What kind of numbers are we talking here to fund a single AGI project like
Novamente?  If I could, I'd instantly dedicate all my time and resources to
developing AI, but because most of my knowledge is auto didactic, I don't
get considered for any jobs.  So for now, I'm stuck in the drudgery of
working 60 hours a week doing IT, while struggling to complete and pay for
college.  As soon as I get out of school I'll have to start paying off
student loans, which won't be feasable in an AGI position (due to lack of
adequate funding).

Thus, a friend of mine and I have decided to take the lower road and start
building lame websites (myspace profile template pages, ggle.com like
pages, other lame ad-words pages) in order to (a) quit our jobs, and (b)
fund our own or others research.  It boggles my mind that no one has become
financially successful and decided to throw a significant sum of money at
Novamente and the like.  For the love of Pete, sacrificing a single
Budweiser Superbowl commercial could fund years of AGI research.  I'm also
surprised there aren't more programmers or AGI enthusiasts who aren't
willing to work for beans to further this goal.  We're just two students in
Arizona, but we'd both gladly give up our current lives to work for 15-20G's
a year and pull 80 hour weeks eating this stuff up.  Having a family is
valid excuse, but there are others out there who aren't tied down.  We may
not have PhD's, but we learn quickly.


BTW Ben, for the love of God, can you please tell me when your AGI book is
coming out?  It's been in my Amazon shopping cart for 6 months now!  How
about I just pay you via paypal, and you send me a PDF?

*Josh Treadwell**
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