Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[Peter Rundle]

George Vieira wrote:

> So either a PGP email or FTP encrypted file would do wouldn't it? 

Sure, thousand ways to skin this cat, you just have to pass 32bits of 
info from one office to the other. 

However all of the solutions depend on at least on of the ends having 
a real-world IP. How long before Telstra realise that these are in 
short supply in the IP4 version of the world and do what a lot of 
dial-up ISP's are doing which is to assign a private IP to the PPP 
interface and Nat (or Pat) the outbound traffic at the front door 
router. If this happens at both connections then you're stuffed 
trying to set up a VPN.

An alternative if you don't need too much bandwidth would be to set
up mppp at each site, buy a bunch of modems and phone lines. Say 8 
modems @ $200 each gives 4x33K = 132K connection. Sure it's only half
duplex but still pretty cheap if the other office is a local call...

That'd give at least a 16Kbyte/sec file transfer rate or about a meg
a minute. 

(is mppp working on linux yet or is that a 2.4 kernel thing?)

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Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[Jeff Waugh]

> Peter Rundle wrote:
> 
> An alternative if you don't need too much bandwidth would be to set
> up mppp at each site, buy a bunch of modems and phone lines. Say 8 
> modems @ $200 each gives 4x33K = 132K connection. Sure it's only half
> duplex but still pretty cheap if the other office is a local call...


At about $30 a month per line as well?

Optimisation first, in this case (ignore the adage!)


> (is mppp working on linux yet or is that a 2.4 kernel thing?)


No, the pre-2.4 solutions are ugly to say the least. Closer to horrible,
evil and atrocious.

2.4 works in the "Linux Way" very nicely, but then you have to use 2.4,
which breaks in the "Linux Way" very nicely too. :)

- Jeff


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RE: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[Leon Strong]

Well, the third party site need not know what the data that your storing
is, as you say, you could encrypt that data with some typical encryption
program, then just decrypt that data as required on each end. Setup the
VPN, and hey presto. away ya go. hell, you could use a public FTP site if
you wanted to, so long as each machine is knowing what to decrypt, your
fine. just use some strong encryption :)

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, George Vieira wrote:

> Well look at it this way. If you have a Internet account then you most
> likely have a web site and email address (5MB space usually). So either a
> PGP email or FTP encrypted file would do wouldn't it? I mean the static page
> is there already just both servers have to access it.
> The service is there already and no extra hardware is needed..
> 
> thanks,
> George Vieira
> Network Administrator
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> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Rundle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 3:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections
> 
> 
> > Or have a central site somewhere with a static ip addres
> 
> Sure that works too, I was just suggesting something that avoided the
> need for a third party. As they don't own any realworld ip addresses
> themselves they have to have someone else provide this service which 
> they may not be comfortable with.
> 
> I was figuring on a central office with an Adsl connection. The server 
> at each remote location dials the central office asks the server for 
> it's current adsl ip, and then establishes it's own adsl connection and
> subsequent VPN to head office. If head office looses the adsl, then the 
> remote office can dial-up and ask for the new ip, if the adsl is down
> then return ip=0, remote server waits say 1 minute and asks again, 
> (insert other error handling logic etc etc here).
> 
> Of course this assumes that the IP address being assigned for ADSL are
> real-world and not private with a Nat on outbound traffic (which is 
> often the case for dial-up connections).
> 
> Hmm interesting, I can think of someone who might be able to use this...
> 
> Pete
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RE: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[George Vieira]

Well look at it this way. If you have a Internet account then you most
likely have a web site and email address (5MB space usually). So either a
PGP email or FTP encrypted file would do wouldn't it? I mean the static page
is there already just both servers have to access it.
The service is there already and no extra hardware is needed..

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-Original Message-
From: Peter Rundle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 3:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections


> Or have a central site somewhere with a static ip addres

Sure that works too, I was just suggesting something that avoided the
need for a third party. As they don't own any realworld ip addresses
themselves they have to have someone else provide this service which 
they may not be comfortable with.

I was figuring on a central office with an Adsl connection. The server 
at each remote location dials the central office asks the server for 
it's current adsl ip, and then establishes it's own adsl connection and
subsequent VPN to head office. If head office looses the adsl, then the 
remote office can dial-up and ask for the new ip, if the adsl is down
then return ip=0, remote server waits say 1 minute and asks again, 
(insert other error handling logic etc etc here).

Of course this assumes that the IP address being assigned for ADSL are
real-world and not private with a Nat on outbound traffic (which is 
often the case for dial-up connections).

Hmm interesting, I can think of someone who might be able to use this...

Pete


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Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[Peter Rundle]

> Or have a central site somewhere with a static ip addres

Sure that works too, I was just suggesting something that avoided the
need for a third party. As they don't own any realworld ip addresses
themselves they have to have someone else provide this service which 
they may not be comfortable with.

I was figuring on a central office with an Adsl connection. The server 
at each remote location dials the central office asks the server for 
it's current adsl ip, and then establishes it's own adsl connection and
subsequent VPN to head office. If head office looses the adsl, then the 
remote office can dial-up and ask for the new ip, if the adsl is down
then return ip=0, remote server waits say 1 minute and asks again, 
(insert other error handling logic etc etc here).

Of course this assumes that the IP address being assigned for ADSL are
real-world and not private with a Nat on outbound traffic (which is 
often the case for dial-up connections).

Hmm interesting, I can think of someone who might be able to use this...

Pete


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Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[Jason Rennie]

> How 'bout putting a modem on each box, when box A establishes it's
> adsl connection it dials box B and tells it what IP it was assigned.
> Box B then establishes the Vpn.

There are a couple of good dyn ip services around. I've found www.eyep.net
works well, and there update clients work well.

Does it need to come up automatically ?

If at a certian time, sync the time of an external time server, and use
cron, with a 5 minute sleep, to allow the dns entries to update.

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Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[Leon Strong]

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Peter Rundle wrote:

Or have a central site somewhere with a static ip addres, and have both
the machines that have dyn ips log into that machine to find out the
others ip address. A simple perl script can be used to acheive that.

> > You just need one trusted box somewhere with a static IP.  
> 
> How 'bout putting a modem on each box, when box A establishes it's
> adsl connection it dials box B and tells it what IP it was assigned.
> Box B then establishes the Vpn.
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> Pete
> 
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Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[Peter Rundle]

> You just need one trusted box somewhere with a static IP.  

How 'bout putting a modem on each box, when box A establishes it's
adsl connection it dials box B and tells it what IP it was assigned.
Box B then establishes the Vpn.

Just a thought.

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RE: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[John Wiltshire]

You just need one trusted box somewhere with a static IP.  It doesn't need
to be either end of the VPN connection.  All the server has to do is publish
its IP to that machine (possibly a web server, eg www.linuxwebhost.com) and
the client simply reads it.  You can encrypt the IP address with PGP or GPG
if you really want to make it secure - then you don't even have to trust the
static IP box that much more than to provide you with the data you send it.

John Wiltshire


> -Original Message-
> From: Colin Humphreys [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, 6 October 2000 1:46 pm
> To: David Kempe; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections
> 
> 
> That ain't going to fix the way a vpn link is defined... You need to
> define one end with a static ip, so the other end can find it. If you
> want it real secure you don't want to rely on someone elses 
> dns servers
> to make it happen.
> 
> -Colin
> 
> David Kempe wrote:
> > 
> > > Fix that by using a free Dynamic DNS solution or with 
> tricky programming,
> > > update a web site page with the IP addresses...
> > > I think Telstra are working on Static ADSL IP addresses or
> > > possibly have it
> > > and working on multiple IPs... not sure..
> > 
> > Telstra won't have static ips for adsl real soon.
> > Bigpond Direct is pretty crap about that.
> > 
> > I use dyndns to get around the static ip problem. it works sweetly.
> > www.dyndns.org
> > get the ez-ipupdate client. it rocks.
> > 
> > dave
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Re: [SLUG] [OT] DeCSS.mp3

[Conrad Parker]

On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 07:07:22PM +1100, Angus Lees wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 12:00:21PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > You played some MP3 files at the last meeting. I think they were
> > to do with DECSS. Can you give me a web or other reference to them ?
> ...
> (the song has apparently been banned from mp3.com..)

for an insightful analysis into this, check out:

[warning: explicit language]
http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=39c1178e-03e1a2a0

When Joseph Wecker found out that MP3.com had rejected as having
"Inappropriate content" his song DeCSS (descramble), he was
not surprised.  "There's some seamy stuff in there," said Wecker
in a private interview. "I mean, 'advance the pointer sec by one
byte' and stuff. I guess I got a little wild." ...

Conrad.


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Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[Colin Humphreys]

That ain't going to fix the way a vpn link is defined... You need to
define one end with a static ip, so the other end can find it. If you
want it real secure you don't want to rely on someone elses dns servers
to make it happen.

-Colin

David Kempe wrote:
> 
> > Fix that by using a free Dynamic DNS solution or with tricky programming,
> > update a web site page with the IP addresses...
> > I think Telstra are working on Static ADSL IP addresses or
> > possibly have it
> > and working on multiple IPs... not sure..
> 
> Telstra won't have static ips for adsl real soon.
> Bigpond Direct is pretty crap about that.
> 
> I use dyndns to get around the static ip problem. it works sweetly.
> www.dyndns.org
> get the ez-ipupdate client. it rocks.
> 
> dave
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Re: [SLUG] tar extract -> out of time_t

[Conrad Parker]

On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 08:50:04PM +1100, Michael Lake wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone know what this error message from a tar archive
> means? There is nothing in the man pages for tar on this.
> 
>   tar: Archive value 2872975643983 is out of time_t range
> -2147483648..2147483647
> 
> It occurs for both t and x tar options. Is it complaining
> about some problem with a time stamp perhaps?
> The archive itself seems to have extracted OK.

what version of tar was used to create the archive, and to extract
it? On what architectures was it created and extracted on?

time_t is usu. defined (for GNU libc) as a long int
(/usr/include/bits/types.h). These are 64 bit values on alpha, 32
bit elsewhere (I say cautiously; check the values for LONG_MAX in
/usr/include/limits.h and /usr/*/include/limits.h).

or maybe a stray cat or gamma ray got into your tape drives ...

Conrad.


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Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[Mehmet Ozdemir]

Alan,

Why don't you go for the Hyperconnect Product see:
http://www.telstra.com.au/adsl/cprice.htm

My understanding of the product is that it's designed to link offices
together using adsl

If you went for the Up to 1.5Mbps/256kbps @ $152.00 /month that would give
256 kbps both ways. Believe me $152 is CHEAP, compared to what I used to
pay for capped ISDN.

If internet connectivity is required you could get each office a Business
deluxe Bigpond ADSL @ 132.50 / month.

That's under $300.00, I was paying $435.00 just for a 128 kbps isdn line


Regards

Mehmet Ozdemir

> We want to get all of our stores hooked up together, so we can do major
> filesharing (50mb documents) and also internet conectivity etc.
> 
> Seems ADSL isn't the go.. and HDSL is going to be too costly..
> 
> .. What other means are there of getting rather high speed connections
> between offices(one of them been about 60km away) (but on average, 5km
> from
> each other) without spending a few million bucks a month for connections,

> and probably without going via a ISP, satalite?
> 
> Regards, Alan Lee
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[SLUG] Re: [OT] FW: Fw: A wish for you... (A question)

[Angus Lees]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 09:02:53AM +1100, Howard Lowndes wrote:
> The original message, which I have had to D, did some nasty things to
> Pine, such as continually invoking the Compose command.
> 
> Definitely not appreciated.

and the really funny bit is that you use this header:

 X-Message-Flag: Outlook - a virus spreader. Pine - a real emailer


if a message can continually invoke the compose command, i'm thinking
thats pretty close to "a virus spreader".

despite pine's age and wide use - it has some pretty serious
bugs. guess thats `cos its non-free ;)

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RE: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[David Kempe]

> Fix that by using a free Dynamic DNS solution or with tricky programming,
> update a web site page with the IP addresses...
> I think Telstra are working on Static ADSL IP addresses or 
> possibly have it
> and working on multiple IPs... not sure..


Telstra won't have static ips for adsl real soon.
Bigpond Direct is pretty crap about that.

I use dyndns to get around the static ip problem. it works sweetly.
www.dyndns.org
get the ez-ipupdate client. it rocks.



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[SLUG] And it worked...

[Jeff Waugh]

> Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
> There was no approval filter on "fw:" or "fwd:", so I've just added them.
> Yes, that means we have to moderate you if you forward anything - even those
> "oops, did not reply to list, will forward" emails we get every so often. ;)


So I had to moderate my reply. :)

- Jeff


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Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[DaZZa]

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Alan Lee wrote:

> We want to get all of our stores hooked up together, so we can do major
> filesharing (50mb documents) and also internet conectivity etc.
> 
> Seems ADSL isn't the go.. and HDSL is going to be too costly..
> 
> .. What other means are there of getting rather high speed connections
> between offices(one of them been about 60km away) (but on average, 5km from
> each other) without spending a few million bucks a month for connections,
> and probably without going via a ISP, satalite?

Spreadspectrum radio.

Up to 11 Mb/s at ranges of up to 42 miles {line of sight dependant}.

Costs a bit to setup, but works a treat once you've done it - with no
ongoing costs, because it uses the public spectra {I forget the exact
bandwidth, but it's in the 2.7 gigahertz range, I _think_}.

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RE: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[George Vieira]

Fix that by using a free Dynamic DNS solution or with tricky programming,
update a web site page with the IP addresses...
I think Telstra are working on Static ADSL IP addresses or possibly have it
and working on multiple IPs... not sure..

thanks,
George Vieira
Network Administrator
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-Original Message-
From: Colin Humphreys [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 12:08 PM
To: Alan Lee
Cc: Sydney Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections


You may have trouble if both ends are dynamic ip, as the tunnel will have
trouble being defined... 

-Colin 


Alan Lee wrote: 


Hey there; Is it posiable to have 2 offices hooked up via ADSL, and do
VPN'ing and things like that.. what kinda things are required to do it?
Withing 2km? etc?  Anyone know anything about this and how it can be done?
Regards, Alan Lee 



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Re: [SLUG] [OT] FW: Fw: A wish for you... (A question)

[Jeff Waugh]

> Dave Kempe wrote:
> 
> Every so often, jeff says things like, I had to let this one thru, or
> something to the effect that he moderates this list.


Some emails get held back for approval, so the (one) time I let a moderately
funny one through was for a not-quite-SPAM iso-2022-jp email, from memory.

There was no approval filter on "fw:" or "fwd:", so I've just added them.
Yes, that means we have to moderate you if you forward anything - even those
"oops, did not reply to list, will forward" emails we get every so often. ;)


> Things like this kinda point to that not existing. I don't mind either way,
> just wondering, is this list moderated or not?


I am but flesh and blood, a mortal. I have but ten fingers, toe, and a pair
of arms and legs with which to invoke my bidding upon this world.

Three people admin the list (Anand, Gus and myself), but to moderate it?
Dave, that would be a *world* of pain. :)

- Jeff


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Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[Colin Humphreys]

You may have trouble if both ends are dynamic ip, as the tunnel will have
trouble being defined...
-Colin
Alan Lee wrote:

Hey
there; Is it posiable
to have 2 offices hooked up via ADSL, and do VPN'ing and things like that..
what kinda things are required to do it? Withing 2km? etc?  Anyone
know anything about this and how it can be done? Regards,
Alan Lee 

RE: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[John Wiltshire]

If you have line of sight, you can use WaveLAN type of transmissions.  2Mb,
point to point, no spectrum licensing fees.  Otherwise you'll have to rent
some fiber or copper from someone, or even lay your own.

Talk to Telstra.  See what they have to say.  It won't cost a few million a
month, but will be in the order of a few thousand a month per office.  It
may be cheaper to pay couriers to take CDRs around.

How often do you need to transfer the files?  Can you push them out nightly
via cron jobs?  Should you be investigating the need to transfer documents
of this size and if there are decent client/server alternatives?

> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, 6 October 2000 12:00 pm
> Cc: Sydney Linux Users Group
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections
> 
> 
> We want to get all of our stores hooked up together, so we 
> can do major
> filesharing (50mb documents) and also internet conectivity etc.
> 
> Seems ADSL isn't the go.. and HDSL is going to be too costly..
> 
> .. What other means are there of getting rather high speed connections
> between offices(one of them been about 60km away) (but on 
> average, 5km from
> each other) without spending a few million bucks a month for 
> connections,
> and probably without going via a ISP, satalite?
> 
> Regards, Alan Lee
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Ferlito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Alan Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Sydney Linux Users Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 10:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections
> 
> 
> > On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 11:28:35AM +1000, Alan Lee wrote:
> > > Hey there;
> > >
> > > Is it posiable to have 2 offices hooked up via ADSL, and 
> do VPN'ing and
> things like that.. what kinda things are required to do it? 
> Withing 2km?
> etc?  Anyone know anything about this and how it can be done?
> > >
> > > Regards, Alan Lee
> > >
> >
> > ADSL is just an internet connection ie it's no different to 
> a modem. So
> > both premises can connect to the ISP and VPN over the internet. You
> > can't however connect one ADSL modem to another ADSL modem directly.
> >
> > What you want is HDSL which is basically to expensive 
> modems ($1k-$3k)
> > depending on the speed you want connected by 1-2 pairs of copper. ie
> > copper directly between the two buildings no exchange 
> equipment in the
> > middle, a couple of crone blocks at the most. here is around a 3-6k
> > limit here that includes the distance from building A to 
> the exchange
> > and thenh back to building B. You can achive speeds anywhere from
> > 128kbits to 2Mbits depending on distance line quality and 
> modem expense.
> >
> > The telstra product is PAPL, which they only gaurantee for voice. or
> > CityDSL, you hae to be in the city and only wholesalers, ie 
> ISP's can
> > buy it so you nhaver to convince one to do it for you. The 
> beauty of it
> > is a PAPL connection only costs about $200/month so you can 
> effectively
> > get 2M of bandwidth between 2 locations for next to nothing.
> >
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Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[Jeff Waugh]

> Alan Lee wrote:
> 
> We want to get all of our stores hooked up together, so we can do major
> filesharing (50mb documents) and also internet conectivity etc.
> 
> .. What other means are there of getting rather high speed connections
> between offices(one of them been about 60km away) (but on average, 5km from
> each other) without spending a few million bucks a month for connections,
> and probably without going via a ISP, satalite?


If you can cut down on your need for the filesharing, a bunch of modems and
a central site work wonders.

I wonder if you can "optimise out" your need for high bandwidth?

One of my clients has regular inter-store deliveries, and a zip drive at
every location... Who needs bandwidth when you've got large payload
sneakernet? :)

- Jeff


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Re: [SLUG] Distro on a CD (off the shelf, or off the burner)

[Ken Yap]

>> My experience with live FS on CD distros is that they are fine for
>> demoing and some exploration but are not suitable for serious work,
>
>I've seen a sysadmin move from one part of a site to another with a
>livecd type of setup. He'd go to the other site, plop in his cd, boot
>and do his serious work in the environment he liked (had X etc running)
>and then pullt he CD out and leave the computer as it was before he
>arrived.
>
>Worked amazingly well.

By serious work I mean running the machine constantly off the CD.  I
have a credit card sized repair CD too, like many others.

>But the HD may be formated in say.. vfat. you can create yourself a file
>with dd, run mke2fs on it, loopback mount it, use it to your hearts
>content, umount it, delete it, reboot and remove the cd.

Sure, we are back to the use of HD again. The original poster wanted to
set up a Linux only machine. As I said, if you have a HD and you want
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Re: [SLUG] Distro on a CD (off the shelf, or off the burner)

[CaT]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 11:48:33AM +1100, Ken Yap wrote:
> >Mehmet's suggestion of LiveCD was great - I'll definitely be using this in
> >the future... :)
> 
> My experience with live FS on CD distros is that they are fine for
> demoing and some exploration but are not suitable for serious work,

I've seen a sysadmin move from one part of a site to another with a
livecd type of setup. He'd go to the other site, plop in his cd, boot
and do his serious work in the environment he liked (had X etc running)
and then pullt he CD out and leave the computer as it was before he
arrived.

Worked amazingly well.

> unless you put volatile data in RAM or HD. RAM is precious, and if you
> had a HD in the first place...

But the HD may be formated in say.. vfat. you can create yourself a file
with dd, run mke2fs on it, loopback mount it, use it to your hearts content,
umount it, delete it, reboot and remove the cd.

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Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[Alan Lee]

We want to get all of our stores hooked up together, so we can do major
filesharing (50mb documents) and also internet conectivity etc.

Seems ADSL isn't the go.. and HDSL is going to be too costly..

.. What other means are there of getting rather high speed connections
between offices(one of them been about 60km away) (but on average, 5km from
each other) without spending a few million bucks a month for connections,
and probably without going via a ISP, satalite?

Regards, Alan Lee
- Original Message -
From: "John Ferlito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Alan Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Sydney Linux Users Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections


> On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 11:28:35AM +1000, Alan Lee wrote:
> > Hey there;
> >
> > Is it posiable to have 2 offices hooked up via ADSL, and do VPN'ing and
things like that.. what kinda things are required to do it? Withing 2km?
etc?  Anyone know anything about this and how it can be done?
> >
> > Regards, Alan Lee
> >
>
> ADSL is just an internet connection ie it's no different to a modem. So
> both premises can connect to the ISP and VPN over the internet. You
> can't however connect one ADSL modem to another ADSL modem directly.
>
> What you want is HDSL which is basically to expensive modems ($1k-$3k)
> depending on the speed you want connected by 1-2 pairs of copper. ie
> copper directly between the two buildings no exchange equipment in the
> middle, a couple of crone blocks at the most. here is around a 3-6k
> limit here that includes the distance from building A to the exchange
> and thenh back to building B. You can achive speeds anywhere from
> 128kbits to 2Mbits depending on distance line quality and modem expense.
>
> The telstra product is PAPL, which they only gaurantee for voice. or
> CityDSL, you hae to be in the city and only wholesalers, ie ISP's can
> buy it so you nhaver to convince one to do it for you. The beauty of it
> is a PAPL connection only costs about $200/month so you can effectively
> get 2M of bandwidth between 2 locations for next to nothing.
>
> --
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Re: [SLUG] How to tell Netscape to use kmail as its email client

[Jeff Waugh]

> Tim and Marcelle Sutton wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me how to do the above (tell Netscape to use kmail as its email
> client)? I want to be able to click on a mailto: link  in netscape and have
> kmail invoked with a blank message already having the mail recipient filled in.


Try muttzilla, which you'll find on Freshmeat. It's intended to integrate
mutt in the same way, but if you can use reasonable command line options
with KMail, it will work too.

Strange, Netscape provided an API to allow other mailers to work with it,
but only went that far... They could easily have provided a few
user-configurable options as well or instead.

Oh, that's right... Mozilla used to be proprietary software, and as we all
know, markets respond to inflexibility.


> BTW, I am using kmail from the kde1.93 beta which seems to be quite a nice
> email app so far :-)


Seems it's getting popular too, for the number of KMail headers on this list
at least. So, what do you like about KMail?

- Jeff


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Re: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[John Ferlito]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 11:28:35AM +1000, Alan Lee wrote:
> Hey there;
> 
> Is it posiable to have 2 offices hooked up via ADSL, and do VPN'ing and things like 
>that.. what kinda things are required to do it? Withing 2km? etc?  Anyone know 
>anything about this and how it can be done?
> 
> Regards, Alan Lee
> 

ADSL is just an internet connection ie it's no different to a modem. So
both premises can connect to the ISP and VPN over the internet. You
can't however connect one ADSL modem to another ADSL modem directly. 

What you want is HDSL which is basically to expensive modems ($1k-$3k)
depending on the speed you want connected by 1-2 pairs of copper. ie
copper directly between the two buildings no exchange equipment in the
middle, a couple of crone blocks at the most. here is around a 3-6k
limit here that includes the distance from building A to the exchange
and thenh back to building B. You can achive speeds anywhere from
128kbits to 2Mbits depending on distance line quality and modem expense.

The telstra product is PAPL, which they only gaurantee for voice. or
CityDSL, you hae to be in the city and only wholesalers, ie ISP's can
buy it so you nhaver to convince one to do it for you. The beauty of it
is a PAPL connection only costs about $200/month so you can effectively
get 2M of bandwidth between 2 locations for next to nothing.

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Re: [SLUG] Distro on a CD (off the shelf, or off the burner)

[Ken Yap]

>Mehmet's suggestion of LiveCD was great - I'll definitely be using this in
>the future... :)

My experience with live FS on CD distros is that they are fine for
demoing and some exploration but are not suitable for serious work,
unless you put volatile data in RAM or HD. RAM is precious, and if you
had a HD in the first place...


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RE: [SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[John Wiltshire]

From: Alan Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

>Is it posiable to have 2 offices hooked up via ADSL, and do VPN'ing and
things like that.. what
>kinda things are required to do it? Withing 2km? etc?  Anyone know anything
about this and how it
>can be done?

Yes it is possible - as ADSL connections are basically interent connections
there are no limits.  At the moment I am using a VPN to my work (both on
cable) to work from home.  All you have to do is know the IP address of the
other end of the connection.

Remember, you are limited by the upload speed of each site (128k - 256k) so
you don't get the same bandwidth as you might expect.  That's what the 'A'
is all about in ADSL.

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Re: [SLUG] Distro on a CD (off the shelf, or off the burner)

[Jeff Waugh]

> tom burkart wrote:
> 
> Guys, NFS on a gateway - Please spare me!
> 
> Please let me tell you about a site that will not allow telnet into the
> trusted zone from the dmz but yet allows nfs from the trusted zone to the
> dmz - Do I really have to continue?


;) Original idea marred by fun technical challenge for the hell of it. The
reason I wanted to put so much on the little machine (which you simply do
not do for a real gateway or firewall) was that the small business in
question could only spare one machine...

A wander in the warehouse found an old 486 (Coyote time!) so everything's
back to sanity-land.


Mehmet's suggestion of LiveCD was great - I'll definitely be using this in
the future... :)

- Jeff


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[SLUG] Partimage

[Marshall, Joshua]

Has anyone had any experience with Partimage ( 
http://partimage.sourceforge.net ) - I'm tempted to use it as a 
replacement for Norton Ghost on our Win9x machines here.
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FIXED Re: [SLUG] Does X forwarding in SSH work through NAT?

[Rodos]

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Rodos wrote:

> machie which does masquerading. When I start the client on the remote
> machine the ssh (TTSSH) says "Remote X application sent incorrect
> authentication data. Its X session is being cancelled".

Sorry everyone I just found out what the problem was. When ssh was
connecting it was trying to run /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth but it could not find
it. I did a search for xauth on debian.org to find it was in
xbase-clients. A quick apt-get install xbase-clients got it installed and
it all works now. Boy I enjoy using debian!

/me must read and correct all error messages before posting to SLUG!

Rodos

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[SLUG] DSL to DSL connections

[Alan Lee]

Hey there;
 
Is it posiable to have 2 offices hooked up via 
ADSL, and do VPN'ing and things like that.. what kinda things are required to do 
it? Withing 2km? etc?  Anyone know anything about this and how it can be 
done?
 
Regards, Alan Lee
 

[SLUG] Does X forwarding in SSH work through NAT?

[Rodos]

I am trying to forward and X session from a remote machine over ssh onto a
local machine. The machine with the X Server sends trafic via another
machie which does masquerading. When I start the client on the remote
machine the ssh (TTSSH) says "Remote X application sent incorrect
authentication data. Its X session is being cancelled".

A diagram might help.

Remote Masquerading Local
Server --- Server   --- Server

I am running SSH from the local server to the remote server and running an
XTerm on the remote server to the local server.

Any ideas or should I just given up now. I might try running ssh on the
masquerading server and setting the DISPLAY on its session to that of the
local server.

Rodos

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RE: [SLUG] excluding a directory using TAR.

[Jill Rowling]

I usually use the -X option with a file containing a list of directories to
exclude.
Although some versions of tar seem to be overly picky with their globbing
options.

- Jill.

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[SLUG] Smoothwall mirrored at mirror.aarnet.edu.au now

[Ken Yap]

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Ken Yap wrote:

> >> A small CD based distro (20 MB) for firewalls on 486/low Pentiums with
> >> 16 MB RAM and a 60 MB or so disk. Web based admin.
> >
> >thanks for the suggestion - i'll have a look.  at the moment i can't get
> >access to this site - it is either down or very busy ?
> 
> Yeah, looks like it. They have a small chain of redirections. Try the
> download site directly:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/smoothwall

thanks.

i've now mirrored the ISO image to:

ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/linux/smoothwall/
http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/linux/smoothwall/


if you can let other people who might be interested in this know
that'd be great.

regards,

-jason


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Re: [SLUG] Distro on a CD (off the shelf, or off the burner)

[tom burkart]

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Jamie Honan wrote:

> In this case, uou're probably looking at a hard drive or NFS.
Guys, NFS on a gateway - Please spare me!

Please let me tell you about a site that will not allow telnet into the
trusted zone from the dmz but yet allows nfs from the trusted zone to the
dmz - Do I really have to continue?

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AAarrrgh!! RE: [SLUG] [OT] FW: Fw: A wish for you...

[George Vieira]

Sending that email is one thing, making 20 threads about it afterwards is
another so lets leave it at that.

I'm starting to get sick of these OT subjects and the damn threads after it!

thanks,
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Network Administrator
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Re: [SLUG] [OT] FW: Fw: A wish for you...

[DaZZa]

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Terry Collins wrote:

> > I figured that if I didn't forward this to more than 10 people then my wish
> > wouldn't come true :)
> 
> How would you like me to forward it to all your mailboxs 1,000,000 times
> bozo?

Screw that - I wonder how he'd like to receive the full version of the
Encyclopedia Britannica in uncompressed format 100 000 times?

Because that's what I'm sorely tempted to send him.

DaZZa - have access to OC12, will retaliate!



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RE: [SLUG] [OT] FW: Fw: A wish for you... (A question)

[Howard Lowndes]

The original message, which I have had to D, did some nasty things to
Pine, such as continually invoking the Compose command.

Definitely not appreciated.

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On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Dave Kempe wrote:

> Every so often, jeff says things like, I had to let this one thru, or
> something to the effect that he moderates this list.
> Things like this kinda point to that not existing. I don't mind either way,
> just wondering, is this list moderated or not?
> 
> 
> dave
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [SLUG] [OT] FW: Fw: A wish for you...

[Terry Collins]

James Ring wrote:
> 
> I figured that if I didn't forward this to more than 10 people then my wish
> wouldn't come true :)

How would you like me to forward it to all your mailboxs 1,000,000 times
bozo?

You DO NOT spam the slug list with crap like this.

CC'd to the slug list as a warning to anyother bozo that might like to
try it.

If you want to send it to your mates, fine, but not the slug list.
> 
> James
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kenneth Hew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, 6 October 2000 6:02 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Fwd: Fw: A wish for you...

crap deleted

Actually, I'd send the stallman.mp3 {:-)

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Re: [SLUG] Distro on a CD (off the shelf, or off the burner)

[Jamie Honan]

> I've got an old Pentium lying about that has no hard drive, and I'd like
> to use it as a gateway machine,

So far so good.

I run coyote (from a floppy) with good vibes.

> I'd like it to have a good stock of GNOME apps,
> various text-processing utilities, web serving from remote filesystems,
> etc.

I think you're heading in a different direction here.
This is where you want swap space, and faster access than what
a CD provides. (Unless you have buckets of memory).

In this case, uou're probably looking at a hard drive or NFS.

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RE: [SLUG] [OT] FW: Fw: A wish for you... (A question)

[Dave Kempe]

Every so often, jeff says things like, I had to let this one thru, or
something to the effect that he moderates this list.
Things like this kinda point to that not existing. I don't mind either way,
just wondering, is this list moderated or not?


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Re: [SLUG] [OT] FW: Fw: A wish for you...

[Andrew Macks]

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, James Ring wrote:

> I figured that if I didn't forward this to more than 10 people then my wish
> wouldn't come true :)

This drop-kick does not want to receive mail (User unknown).  I just we
had Fw: Fw: to the list of mail to filter as spam.

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[SLUG] [OT] FW: Fw: A wish for you...

[James Ring]

I figured that if I didn't forward this to more than 10 people then my wish
wouldn't come true :)

James

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>>- Original Message -
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>> > > >  DO NOT DELETE! THIS REALLY WORKS!
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>> > > >I'm SO sorry about this, but I had to
>> > > >keep it going. The last time I sent
>> > > >this exact e-mail out, I got a new job
>> > > >and now I'm superstitious. Start
>> > > >thinking something you really really
>> > > >want, cause this is astounding ... the person
>> > > >that sent this to me said their wish
>> > > >came true 10 mins after they read
>> > > >the mail so I thought what the heck.
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>> > > >   **
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RE: [SLUG] Could have been worse.

[Dave Kempe]

/me cries for Rodos

A sad tale of woe, I feel your pain brother :~(


dave


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[SLUG] How to tell Netscape to use kmail as its email client

[Tim and Marcelle Sutton]

Can anyone tell me how to do the above (tell Netscape to use kmail as its email
client)? I want to be able to click on a mailto: link  in netscape and have
kmail invoked with a blank message already having the mail recipient filled in.
BTW, I am using kmail from the kde1.93 beta which seems to be quite a nice
email app so far :-)

Many thanks,

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Did you hear that there's a group of South American Indians that worship
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Is nothing sacred?
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[SLUG] Could have been worse.

[Rodos]

A tale of woe. 

Received some toys from everythinglinux today. The first item was a
stallion 4 port IO board with nice cables to run my modem bank. Plugged it
all in and thought while I had the machine powered down I would put in the
lcd display I had lying around so I could run lcdproc on it (way cool).

Anyway on powering up I smelt that bad burning smell, I shutdown and tried
to find it. Could not find anything and the smell was from no particular
direction. Powered up again, no smoke, okay forget that for the moment, I
wanted to get the stallion goinging.

Did an insmod on the stallion.o and ran the prog to create the
devices. Plugged the lcdproc into the first port and sent an echo to it to
see if I could get a "hello world". Well nothing appear so I again
thought, forget that I will try and get the modems running.

After a little while of changing config files I had one modem working but
not the other, the one on the first line seam to never show a TR
signal. Weird. I used ttyE1 and ttyE2 instead and it all worked fine. The
weird thing was that I could not get the cable out of the first socket, it
was really stuck in. 

Now that I had the modems working I though okay back to the lcd screen,
lets plug it into the normal serial port. BANG, as soon as it touched the
machine with the serial cable from the lcd screen the machine powered down
in an instant, gave me the shock of my life. I then pulled out the lcd
screen to smell that indeed the bad smell did originate from there, I
pulled it out and threw it into the corner! 

Whilst I had the machine powered off I thought I would try and get the
cable out of the first port on the stallion. I was very very hard to
remove, in fact the only way I could get it out was with extreme force and
a pair of plyers, and then I found the reason why. The bloody plug had
melted into the socket for about 2 or three pins! In getting it out it
ripped three of the pins out of the card cause they were embeded into the
melted portion of the plug. Bugger, shit and every other word under the
sun! 

The final result is one new stallion board that works fine on three ports
but one looks like it had a fatal car accident occur inside it. Also my
lcd display has been trashed too. Quite an expensive night really.

The only consulation is that the cd burner I got at the same time is
working fine. I think I might go to bed now and cry myself to sleep.

Thanks for listening, I knew you guys would understand.

"Computers run on smoke, once the smoke gets out they don't work anymore."

Rodos

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Re: [SLUG] Troops videos

[Jason Rennie]

> I have not been able to find an Australian mirror of the troops videos.
> However, I have found an international site which lists xanim friendly
> versions :
> 
> http://theforce.net/troops/t_videos.shtml
> 
> For people in APANA sydney, they'll be on the ftp site soon.
> 
> I understand they are also located on an Australian BSD mirror, but
> I have not been able to find them.

ftp.au.openbsd.org from memory, look in the movies directory.

Jason



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You want it? you got it... was Re: [SLUG] Troops videos

[Dean Hamstead]

ftp://ftp.au.openbsd.org/pub/animations/

not too hard to find, has other amusing stuff also
eveyrthing is xanim ok (tick) i think

i got my copy of troops of theforce.net though i think

Dean

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I have not been able to find an Australian mirror of the troops videos.
> However, I have found an international site which lists xanim friendly
> versions :
> 
> http://theforce.net/troops/t_videos.shtml
> 
> For people in APANA sydney, they'll be on the ftp site soon.
> 
> I understand they are also located on an Australian BSD mirror, but
> I have not been able to find them.
> 
> --
> John August
> 
> Some of us are paying for sins we have committed.
> Others are paying for sins we still have to commit.
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Re: [SLUG] Optimizing XFree86 4

[Jason Stokes]

Jason Stokes wrote:
> 
> I believe it was on this list that someone posted a link to an article
> on optimizing XFree86 4 by altering a few compile-time options, but I
> find myself unable to track it down despite searching for it in the
> archives on a range of different terms.  Am I imagining things, or could
> that person remind me of the link?

Never mind, found it!  Didn't think of "optimisation + XFree".


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[SLUG] Troops videos

[johna]

I have not been able to find an Australian mirror of the troops videos.
However, I have found an international site which lists xanim friendly
versions :

http://theforce.net/troops/t_videos.shtml

For people in APANA sydney, they'll be on the ftp site soon.

I understand they are also located on an Australian BSD mirror, but
I have not been able to find them.

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[SLUG] Optimizing XFree86 4

[Jason Stokes]

I believe it was on this list that someone posted a link to an article
on optimizing XFree86 4 by altering a few compile-time options, but I
find myself unable to track it down despite searching for it in the
archives on a range of different terms.  Am I imagining things, or could
that person remind me of the link?

Thanks,
Jason Stokes: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: [SLUG] excluding a directory using TAR.

[George Vieira]

Unfortunately I tried the same and could only include from a file list using
the -T switch (I think it's -T).

thanks,
George Vieira
Network Administrator
http://www.citadelcomputer.com.au
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> -Original Message-
> From: Alister Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 5:59 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [SLUG] excluding a directory using TAR.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I wish to do a backup using TAR but want to exclude a directory, is there
> a way to do this??
> Could only find an option to exclude a file in man tar.
> 
> regards
> 
> 
> Alister Waller (B. Comp)
> Technical Consultant - Roadtech Systems Ltd
> Phone: 02 98073516 Fax: 02 98085294
> www.roadtechsystems.com.au
> 


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[SLUG] Distro for Sale

[Jon Biddell]

What am I offered for a copy of SuSE 6.3, complete in box, with the
manuals lovingly covered in contact by SWMBO ??

Yeah, I've upgraded to 7.0, and there's no point in keeping the older
one. $20 ???

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RE: [SLUG] OT - Cracking a password protected winzip file

[John Wiltshire]

From: Richard Hayes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>Dear Sluggers,
>
>Someone password protected a Winzip file and I need to unzip it.
>
>Can anyone point me at any tools / faqs / info on how to crack it.

... in addition, here's the home page for FZC:

http://www.netgate.com.uy/~fpapa/

John Wiltshire


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RE: [SLUG] OT - Cracking a password protected winzip file

[John Wiltshire]

From: Richard Hayes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>Dear Sluggers,
>
>Someone password protected a Winzip file and I need to unzip it.
>
>Can anyone point me at any tools / faqs / info on how to crack it.

Do a search for "fast zip crack".  You'll find lots of stuff.  Basically
though, if they've used a good password (7+ characters and not a real word)
then you're pretty much out of luck.

John Wiltshire


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Re: [SLUG] OT - Cracking a password protected winzip file

[Ben Leslie]

On Thu, 05 Oct 2000, Richard Hayes wrote:

> Dear Sluggers,
> 
> Someone password protected a Winzip file and I need to unzip it.
> 
> Can anyone point me at any tools / faqs / info on how to crack it.

http://www.google.com/search?q=crack+password+zip+file+linux&hl=en&lr=&safe=off

The ninth one down looks good.


Benno


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[SLUG] DeCSS.mp3

[Angus Lees]

On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 12:00:21PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> You played some MP3 files at the last meeting. I think they were
> to do with DECSS. Can you give me a web or other reference to them ?


The DeCSS Gallery:

 http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/


in particular:

the dramatic reading
 http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/css_descramble.mp3

and the code set to music
 http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/css_descramble_joe_wecker.mp3

(the song has apparently been banned from mp3.com..)

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[SLUG] OT - Cracking a password protected winzip file

[Richard Hayes]

Dear Sluggers,

Someone password protected a Winzip file and I need to unzip it.

Can anyone point me at any tools / faqs / info on how to crack it.

regards,

Richard Hayes



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Re: [SLUG] excluding a directory using TAR.

[John Clarke]

On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 05:58:42PM +1000, Alister Waller wrote:

> I wish to do a backup using TAR but want to exclude a directory, is there a
> way to do this??

`--exclude=PATTERN'
 Causes `tar' to ignore files that match the PATTERN.

It handles files and directories.  Note that PATTERN is a shell globbing
pattern, not a regexp.  See `info tar' for more detail.

Cheers,

John
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