Re: [SLUG] OT: Propeller Caps!

[Anthony Rumble]

On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Graeme Merrall wrote:

> Quoting Anthony Rumble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > I found a supplier in the US, but Merchandise (like Caps, T-Shirts) are
> > a
> > protected industry, and it's 37% duty!!! Which is why we make most of
> > our
> > merchandise.. 
> 
> You could try Scribal up in Gosford. They do all sorts of zany branding and 
> produce so many printed lighters (20 grand per day) that they have their own 
> lighters manufactured.
> They're excellent when in comes to putting art work on stuff as well. Can't 
> attest to the price though and they use Macs but no one is perfect :)

The artwork is not the hard part.. it's getting the caps thats the hard
part; anyone can screen print or embroider onto them.

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[SLUG] Linux on low low end Laptop

[grant]

Hi everyone

I have a toshiba libretto P75 32M Ram and 810M HDD
Windoze is starting to go a bit flakey...

I was thinking... just about everything I hdo on it I can use linux

I would like to run graphically and surk the net (even though its only 640
X480)

Any suggestions I know how to install linux in general on it but I don't
know
the following

install everything and then cull things out or install only things I need
Is X going to run OK on it ?
Am I going to be able to surf ok with it ? should I use Netscrape or others?
Is there any benefit on going to X4?
would it perform OK as a surf station and IPMASQ firewall?

Any other generall suggestions or experiences would be good

TIA

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[SLUG] Re: X and authorization

[bart bunting]

Angus Lees writes:
 > \begin{bart bunting}
 > > user not authorized to run the X server aborting.
 > > 
 > > I'm using debian 2.2 potato.
 > 
 > debian uses an suid wrapper, to avoid making the entire X server suid.
 > 
 > it has all of two options configured by the first two lines in
 > /etc/X11/Xserver

cool.thanks for that.

 > 
 > 
 > the default is to only allow people logged in on the (text) console


ok this is my problem I was trying to launch X from within an emacs
shell buffer.  It seems to not work from there, but perfectly from the
console.


I'd like to know how to get it to run from the emacs shell.

Having managed to get the xserver running, I've hit my next problem.
I can't launch X apps from another machine.  I've tried
several things.

xhost + 
which i beleive allows any host to connect to the server.  I
know not very secure, but I am trying to get things working before i
tighten things up.

I exported the display on the other machine as export DISPLAY=hostname:0

when trying to launch an app i get:

_X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: erno = 111
 
I also tried enabling X11 forwarding in the ssh connection.  It didn't
seem to export a display variable and didn't make any difference to
the error message.

Anyone seen this one before? searching on google didn't yeild anything
useful that I could find.

Thanks again.

Bart
  


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Re: [SLUG] VPN

[DaZZa]

On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Daron Barndon wrote:

> I am looking at the option of setting up a permanent link between the
> home office and the city office and dont like the idea of paying $25K
> plus a year for a frame link.

Why go frame? ISDN works fine at the data rates you're talking about.

> Alt., does anyone know of any companies that will provide a 64K+ link
> between Sydney and the lower blue mountains?

Sure. Telstra ISDN. $500 odd bucks installation {$270 each end, I think},
and probably $500 a month for the call cap {not sure of the distance
involved - you'd have to check}.

Way cheaper than $25k for frame.

Alternate - this depends _heavily_ on line of site and distance involved -
spread spectrum wireless. 2 meg at up to 44 k's. All you pay is the
hardware and install costs - there's _no_ running costs or licensing fees
apart from electricity.

DaZZa



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[SLUG] Re: ramdisk: request list destroyed

[Angus Lees]

\begin{David Kempe}
> why is this happening to me? I'm booting off a redhat boot.img from 6.2
> It gives me the above error.. I've found the code that makes it happen...
> what does it mean?
> 
> #define INIT_REQUEST \
>   if (!CURRENT) {\
>   CLEAR_INTR; \
>   return; \
>   } \
>   if (MAJOR(CURRENT->rq_dev) != MAJOR_NR) \
>   panic(DEVICE_NAME ": request list destroyed"); \
>   if (CURRENT->bh) { \
>   if (!buffer_locked(CURRENT->bh)) \
>   panic(DEVICE_NAME ": block not locked"); \
>   }
> 
> Thats the code but what does it mean? What is wrong here?

looks like the major number of the device is not the ramdisk major
number (ie: 1).

what does ls -l /dev/ram* /dev/initrd look like?

(the problem is more likely to be wherever INIT_REQUEST is being
called. in this case i'm guessing its drivers/block/rd.c:rd_request())

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[SLUG] Re: X and authorization

[Angus Lees]

\begin{bart bunting}
> user not authorized to run the X server aborting.
> 
> I'm using debian 2.2 potato.

debian uses an suid wrapper, to avoid making the entire X server suid.

it has all of two options configured by the first two lines in
/etc/X11/Xserver


the default is to only allow people logged in on the (text) console

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Re: [SLUG] "idled" daemon

[Stuart Cooper]

 
> We have been using a daemon called "idled" for some time 
> to logout users who we don't want left logged in forever or 
> to exempt userssuch as myself from being logged out. 
 
> It works nicely and I have in the past hacked the source so it 
> sends different kinds of SIGS becasue we have a system called "universe" 
> that doesn't like users being logged out ungracefully.  
> This also works OK.  

Ah universe, I have worked with a similar program called Unidata
in a previous life. I think you can put a TIMEOUT directive in the LOGIN
paragraph of the VOC and it will time people out after however much inactivity.
Ask one of the Universe people about this feature. Linux enthusiasts please
ignore Universe-specific stuff above.

> Now we are moving to all numeric logins (not my idea, comments?) 
> for staff & students and idled will not run anymore as it thinks 
> the numeric logins are bad syntax.  I have scanned the net for updates 
> first off but idled was orphaned some years ago but surprisingly 
> is still part of many current Linux packages.   It is marked on the 
> homepage for it as "no longer supported".

It sounds like development of the package has gone "idle". appropriate
really.

Is the username the same as the numeric userid? Maybe you save time with 
ls -l, you only have to convince the program not to do a userid to username
translation! Maybe that's why management chose this approach. At Cisco they
mandate that your Unix uid is the same as your staff number and the new
staff numbers are 60,000+ and there were some patches required to handle
uids this big; I think some older systems choked when uid > 32,000 or
whatever the closest power of 2 is.
 
> Thanks - also any comments on how wonderful numeric logins can 
> be is also much appreciated - I hate the concept but the PHB's 
> seem to go starry eyed at the idea :/

This reminds me a bit of another rule of thumb to only use usernames
8 characters or less. This is a restriction from days gone by and most
programs today can handle it but somehow people can never really be sure that
all programs can handle it so people often play it safe and keep usernames
<= 8 characters.

2 rules of thumb:
1) 8 characters or less
2) start with [a-zA-Z]

> rachel (a name not a number)

"I am not a number- I am a FREE MAN!!"
Fans of the Patrick Mc Goohan series "The Prisoner" will appreciate this
quote from it.

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[SLUG] Re: web question..

[Angus Lees]

\begin{Jeff Waugh}
> Okay, do you really need php to do the logging, etc? When Apache does all
> this for you, you may as well use it's logging features. Much easier. :)
> 
> CustomLog /home/jdub/public_html/stats/access.log full

if you need something super exotic, you can write your own logging
function in perl and (once you've loaded mod_perl) just do:

 PerlLogHandler My::Logger

a common use is to log directly to a database. there's probably some
already-written modules that will do just that (check the module list
on perl.apache.org)

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[SLUG] c/c++ course

[alex060]

hi

Me and a couple of friends are interested in learning c or c++
we are all in yr 10 and have interest in linux and programing in it.

We are looking for a few day course that runs during the christmas
holidays some time. we want it to be resonably laid back and relaxed using
plain compilers and not anything fancy ie vi :wq gcc foo, most of us have
done some programing before including delphi, Visual B and a few of us 
have dabbled around a lil bit in c/c++

We are generally looking for a course that starts from the begining of
programming as we all have a resonable knolage of computing in general and
will get us far enough to be able to teach ourselves usefully from the
net/books etc.

none of us have much money so we arnt interested in any
superdooper-come-and-play-on-our-sun type courses.

At the moment we are just investigating to see what is out there so any
info/ feedback would be great.

thanks all
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Re: [SLUG] Via chipset sound configuration

[Dean Hamstead]

Try the ALSA sound drivers.

Dean

> Gareth Walters wrote:
> 
> G'day all,
> I have a number of VIA chipset motherboards with onboard sound
> that I am having a great deal of difficulty getting to work. I have
> tried configuring kernel 2.2.17 but when I try and install the
> via82cxxx module all I get is..
> Device or resource busy.
> and the module does not load.
> 
> I checked the kernel docs and nothing seems appropriate for my
> hardware and the sound howto still left me in the dark.
> 
> I am really confused.
> 
> 
> TIA for any assistance.
> 
> 
> 
> ---Gareth Walters

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Re: [SLUG] Floppy Disk Memory Stick Adapters and Linux???

[Crossfire]

What you don't see is the little "transparent" driver installed to let the
adapter be read like a "normal floppy" under WinNT, Win9x, etc.  Its with
this driver that the system-tray application communicates.

I suspect the device works using the "access window" approach [ala EMS,
except on a pseudo-floppy] - however, I haven't tried to confirm this due to
lack of hardware access [the gear belongs to my work, and I'm sure they
don't exactly want to lend it to me for prolonged periods of time given the
amount of use it gets - mind you, even if they did - I probably wouldn't
have the time anyway. :/].

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Subject: Re: [SLUG] Floppy Disk Memory Stick Adapters and Linux???


> hi
> well we got one of these i havent tried it in linux yet but i will tonite
> as soon as i can get my hands on it..
> u do actually install drivers (well thats what they were labled) but as
> far as i can see the only thing that is installed is a little pogram that
> runs in the sys tray that tells u the battry and how much memory is on the
> stick...




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RE: [SLUG] VPN

[Daron Barndon]

Thanks - I will be testing this software over the w/e.

Daron

-Original Message-
From: Gareth Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 9 November 2000 4:56 PM
To: Daron Barndon; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SLUG] VPN


I was looking into this a little while ago..

http://www.xs4all.nl/~freeswan/

compiled it etc it looked ok. I have not needed to actually tested it
thoroughly yet (ie to a working state with another firewall) as we
decided
we didn't really need it.

Good luck

---Gareth

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From: "Daron Barndon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 4:35 PM
Subject: [SLUG] VPN


Guys,
Does anyone know the status of Linux VPN? Will it talk to a
CheckPoint Firewall-1 firewall?

I am looking at the option of setting up a permanent link between the
home office and the city office and dont like the idea of paying $25K
plus a year for a frame link.

Alt., does anyone know of any companies that will provide a 64K+ link
between Sydney and the lower blue mountains?







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Re: [SLUG] [OT] LinuxCare business card recovery CD

[Grahame Kelly]

On Thu, 09 Nov 2000, Mehmet Ozdemir wrote:

> Nth Rock Markets (Westfields on Sunday), next to the chicken shop.
> They're around $3.00 at least thats what the  8 cm round ones were. the
> business card ones where around the same price.
>

$2.50 ~ $2.75 (gst incl.) at the Parramatta Market last week.

Cheers, Grahame


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Re: [SLUG] VPN

[Gareth Walters]

I was looking into this a little while ago..

http://www.xs4all.nl/~freeswan/

compiled it etc it looked ok. I have not needed to actually tested it
thoroughly yet (ie to a working state with another firewall) as we decided
we didn't really need it.

Good luck

---Gareth

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From: "Daron Barndon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 4:35 PM
Subject: [SLUG] VPN


Guys,
Does anyone know the status of Linux VPN? Will it talk to a
CheckPoint Firewall-1 firewall?

I am looking at the option of setting up a permanent link between the
home office and the city office and dont like the idea of paying $25K
plus a year for a frame link.

Alt., does anyone know of any companies that will provide a 64K+ link
between Sydney and the lower blue mountains?







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[SLUG] VPN

[Daron Barndon]

Guys,
Does anyone know the status of Linux VPN? Will it talk to a
CheckPoint Firewall-1 firewall?

I am looking at the option of setting up a permanent link between the
home office and the city office and dont like the idea of paying $25K
plus a year for a frame link.

Alt., does anyone know of any companies that will provide a 64K+ link
between Sydney and the lower blue mountains?

Thanks

Daron Barndon
Systems Administrator
BTLôôkSmart
L7/241 Commonwealth St
Surry Hills NSW 2010
Australia

Phone: +6192820206
Fax: +6192820222
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Re: [SLUG] Floppy Disk Memory Stick Adapters and Linux???

[Mehmet Ozdemir]

> > However... How will Linux handle it? Is it proprietory? How
> would linux
> > handle a 64M floppy?
> > 
> > Would I have to get the floppy adapter for the mavica, and some
> other
> > stick adapter for Linux?
> > 
> > It's a pity these kinds of questions are never answered in
> magazines
> > "hardware reviews"...
> 
> How does windows handle it. From what I've read in the
> sony
> brochures you just stick the disks in any machine and you don't
> need any
> special drivers.

This was a while back, but from my research I thought that the Memory
Stick to Floppy adaptor DID use drivers under windows, and once
installed it would be transparent. That's why when I save up the money
I'm going for the CD1000. 

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Re: [SLUG] Floppy Disk Memory Stick Adapters and Linux???

[Alex Salmon]

hi
well we got one of these i havent tried it in linux yet but i will tonite
as soon as i can get my hands on it..
u do actually install drivers (well thats what they were labled) but as
far as i can see the only thing that is installed is a little pogram that
runs in the sys tray that tells u the battry and how much memory is on the
stick...

anyway ill let u know if it works.
cu
alex

On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Anthony Rumble wrote:

> 
> Ok.. The Sony Mavica seems really nice for me.. and it takes Floppies.. 
> which is pretty cool.. The way you get around 1.44M limitations, is, it
> can take thoes Memory Stock/Floppy adapters.. and write to that!. Which is
> pretty cool..
> 
> However... How will Linux handle it? Is it proprietory? How would linux
> handle a 64M floppy?
> 
> Would I have to get the floppy adapter for the mavica, and some other
> stick adapter for Linux?
> 
> It's a pity these kinds of questions are never answered in magazines
> "hardware reviews"...
> 
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Re: [SLUG] [OT] LinuxCare business card recovery CD

[Mehmet Ozdemir]

On Thu, 09 Nov 2000 04:41:50 GMT "Ricky C" wrote:

> hi All,
> 
> any idea where (in Sydney) I can get some blank ones ?? and how
> much ?? I 
> like to burn my own bus card size CD
> 
> Cheers
Nth Rock Markets (Westfields on Sunday), next to the chicken shop.
They're around $3.00 at least thats what the  8 cm round ones were. the
business card ones where around the same price.

Regards

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Re: [SLUG] OT: Propeller Caps!

[Graeme Merrall]

Quoting Anthony Rumble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I found a supplier in the US, but Merchandise (like Caps, T-Shirts) are
> a
> protected industry, and it's 37% duty!!! Which is why we make most of
> our
> merchandise.. 

You could try Scribal up in Gosford. They do all sorts of zany branding and 
produce so many printed lighters (20 grand per day) that they have their own 
lighters manufactured.
They're excellent when in comes to putting art work on stuff as well. Can't 
attest to the price though and they use Macs but no one is perfect :)

Cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] IO usage

[John Ferlito]

On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 12:10:31PM +1100, George Vieira wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I know there's NTOP and TOP but is thre an IOTOP if you know what I mean. I
> have some IO access which is alot higher than normal but the CPUs seem to be
> quite normal and I was wondering what it could be...
> 
> I think I found the process doing it but no actual proof. Is there anyway to
> find this?

check out 
iostat vmstat and sar

use them with the process running and without and compar3e the
difference.

Other option is just strace the process and see how often it's calling
any io calls.


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Re: [SLUG] OT: Propeller Caps!

[Anthony Rumble]

On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, MacFarlane, Jarrod wrote:

> Where might one be able to source an actual propeller cap from?
> 
> I want the computer room supervisors here to be easily identifiable when on
> duty, and at present they are not .. I have people coming to me asking me
> all sorts of silly questions that they should be dealing with.
> 
> So where can I get a few? Someone here must know! :)

I wanted to get some of these! Put things like Linux.. SLUG on
them.. whatever..

I found a supplier in the US, but Merchandise (like Caps, T-Shirts) are a
protected industry, and it's 37% duty!!! Which is why we make most of our
merchandise.. 

Anthony

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Re: [SLUG] Subdomain a sub domain

[Rodos]

On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Kevin Waterson wrote:

> How can I subdomain a sub domain

Easily, as long as you don't want to deligate it but run it of the same
server.

> curently I have http://sub.domain.com.au
>
> and I wish to have http://www.sub.domain.com.au
>

www.sub IN CNAMEothername
mail.subIN MX   10 mail

etc. Just place the prefix in front of sub with a . (dot).

> In /var/named/hosts I am trying something like
> www  A  203.1.1.1
> sub  A  203.1.1.1
> www  CNAME sub

change the last one to

www.sub IN CNAMEsub

Hope that helps.

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[SLUG] [OT] LinuxCare business card recovery CD

[Ricky C]

hi All,

any idea where (in Sydney) I can get some blank ones ?? and how much ?? I 
like to burn my own bus card size CD

Cheers
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[SLUG] Subdomain a sub domain

[Kevin Waterson]

How can I subdomain a sub domain

curently I have http://sub.domain.com.au

and I wish to have http://www.sub.domain.com.au

In /var/named/hosts I am trying something like
www  A  203.1.1.1
sub  A  203.1.1.1
www  CNAME sub

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RE: [SLUG] Floppy Disk Memory Stick Adapters and Linux???

[George Vieira]

Well Linux handles the LS-120 drives though it might have a special setup
for that.
If linux is smart and just reads the number of C.H.S. (Cyl, Heads, Sect)
then it should be able to handle it...

Others may comment better

thanks,
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Subject: [SLUG] Floppy Disk Memory Stick Adapters and Linux???



Ok.. The Sony Mavica seems really nice for me.. and it takes Floppies.. 
which is pretty cool.. The way you get around 1.44M limitations, is, it
can take thoes Memory Stock/Floppy adapters.. and write to that!. Which is
pretty cool..

However... How will Linux handle it? Is it proprietory? How would linux
handle a 64M floppy?

Would I have to get the floppy adapter for the mavica, and some other
stick adapter for Linux?

It's a pity these kinds of questions are never answered in magazines
"hardware reviews"...

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Re: [SLUG] Floppy Disk Memory Stick Adapters and Linux???

[John Ferlito]

On Thu, Nov 09, 2000 at 03:08:43PM +1100, Anthony Rumble wrote:
> 
> Ok.. The Sony Mavica seems really nice for me.. and it takes Floppies.. 
> which is pretty cool.. The way you get around 1.44M limitations, is, it
> can take thoes Memory Stock/Floppy adapters.. and write to that!. Which is
> pretty cool..
> 
> However... How will Linux handle it? Is it proprietory? How would linux
> handle a 64M floppy?
> 
> Would I have to get the floppy adapter for the mavica, and some other
> stick adapter for Linux?
> 
> It's a pity these kinds of questions are never answered in magazines
> "hardware reviews"...

How does windows handle it. From what I've read in the sony
brochures you just stick the disks in any machine and you don't need any
special drivers.


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[SLUG] Floppy Disk Memory Stick Adapters and Linux???

[Anthony Rumble]

Ok.. The Sony Mavica seems really nice for me.. and it takes Floppies.. 
which is pretty cool.. The way you get around 1.44M limitations, is, it
can take thoes Memory Stock/Floppy adapters.. and write to that!. Which is
pretty cool..

However... How will Linux handle it? Is it proprietory? How would linux
handle a 64M floppy?

Would I have to get the floppy adapter for the mavica, and some other
stick adapter for Linux?

It's a pity these kinds of questions are never answered in magazines
"hardware reviews"...

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RE: [SLUG] RH7 and ethernet

[Marty]

> anything in /etc/conf.modules if so what's in it...

just the alias for the parallel port

> What kind of ethernet card is it..

no name brand...

realtek chipset i believe...

> RTFM.. hee hee had to...

ready willing and able...  redhat.com is next to useless, google turns up
a bunch of how-to network that all assume the card is working...

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Re: [SLUG] Digital Camera Recommendations..

[Mehmet Ozdemir]

> > X optical zoom.
> > 1600 x 1200 res. They go for $2500.00 bargain really when the
> media is
> > so cheap at $3.00 for 150 1600 X 1200 jpgs.
> 
> Err, no the media isn't that cheap.
> 
> These are "mini-CDs" so they can cost more than regular sized CDs.

Err, Yes they Are !!! I just bought 5 for $15.00 at Nth Rocks about a month
ago. Even the overpriced Sony ones ar $8.00 STILL a bargain for that many
snaps.

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[SLUG] RH7 and ethernet

[Marty]

howdy

anyone got any suggestions:

kudzu detects the ethernet card and adds an entry to /etc/sysconfig/hwconf

but the device eth0 wasn't created by the install...

pointers to helpful material accompanied with RTFM gladly accepted... ;)

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[SLUG] ramdisk: request list destroyed

[David Kempe]

Hey sluggers,
why is this happening to me? I'm booting off a redhat boot.img from 6.2
It gives me the above error.. I've found the code that makes it happen...
what does it mean?

#define INIT_REQUEST \
if (!CURRENT) {\
CLEAR_INTR; \
return; \
} \
if (MAJOR(CURRENT->rq_dev) != MAJOR_NR) \
panic(DEVICE_NAME ": request list destroyed"); \
if (CURRENT->bh) { \
if (!buffer_locked(CURRENT->bh)) \
panic(DEVICE_NAME ": block not locked"); \
}

Thats the code but what does it mean? What is wrong here?

thanks,

dave

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[SLUG] OT: Propeller Caps!

[MacFarlane, Jarrod]

Where might one be able to source an actual propeller cap from?

I want the computer room supervisors here to be easily identifiable when on
duty, and at present they are not .. I have people coming to me asking me
all sorts of silly questions that they should be dealing with.

So where can I get a few? Someone here must know! :)

Thanks,
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Re: [SLUG] Nagle

[Anthony Rumble]

On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Howard Lowndes wrote:

Yes, but it pads your "one keystroke" with random junk before it crypts it
(i believe).. Otherwise.. one char would be too easy to crack.

Anthony

> ...and it also sets the ToS to 10 as opposed to 00 which is the default
> with telnet.  The "random rubbish" _is_ the crypto.
> 
> 

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[SLUG] IO usage

[George Vieira]

Hi all,

I know there's NTOP and TOP but is thre an IOTOP if you know what I mean. I
have some IO access which is alot higher than normal but the CPUs seem to be
quite normal and I was wondering what it could be...

I think I found the process doing it but no actual proof. Is there anyway to
find this?

thanks,
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Re: [SLUG] Nagle

[Howard Lowndes]

...and it also sets the ToS to 10 as opposed to 00 which is the default
with telnet.  The "random rubbish" _is_ the crypto.

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On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Anthony Rumble wrote:

> 
> This also explains why SSH doesn't exhibit the same issues as telnet, as
> it pads the data with random rubbish to obscure the crypto.
> 
> 



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[SLUG] X and authorization

[bart bunting]

Hi everyone,

Having a little problem with X this morning.  For those of you who
know me X isn't something I actually use.  Not being able to see
doesn't encourage one to use a windowing environment.  That said I
have to get netscape running for a work colleague.  When I try and run startx as a 
normal user I get the message:

user not authorized to run the X server aborting.

Can anyone tell me what the problem is and where to go to fix it?

I'm using debian 2.2 potato.

Thanks much.

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Re: [SLUG] Nagle

[Anthony Rumble]

On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Scott Howard wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 11:14:42PM +1100, Anthony Rumble wrote:
> > Perhaps someone who knows exactly what "Nagle" is and does, could perhaps
> > explain a little more in depth what it is and what it does, and why to the
> > list, so that we could all know more about it.
> 
> An example shows it better than a description...
> 
> Without the Nagle Algorithm.
> Consider a telnet session. You hit one key about every 1/10th of a second.
> Telnet tries to send each character as you type it. TCP does the same.
> This means that every 1/10th of a second you're sending a TCP packet
> which contains around 40 bytes of header and 1 byte of data - or a
> total of 410 bytes/second to send 10 characters/second.
> 
> With the Nagle Algorithm.
> You still type one key every 1/10th of a second, and telnet still tries to
> send each character as you type it.
> For the first packet, TCP will send it as per normal. The difference is
> that TCP will not send the next packet until the first has been acknowledge
> by the remote host.  Over a fast link, the delay for the ack might be a
> few milliseconds, so the 2nd character (which get sent to TCP 100ms after
> the first is sent) will be sent instantly, and nagle has no effect.
> However, over a slower link the delay might be 450ms. This means that the
> 2nd through 6th characters will all be held at the TCP layer, and all
> transmitted in one packet. Ditto for the 7th to 11th characters, etc.
> The means that with a delay of 450ms, only 2-3 packets, or around 100
> bytes/second (including header) will be sent - saving around 3/4 of the 
> traffic from the first example.
> 
> The advantage of Nagle is that it's self-paceing.  If you're on a fast (and
> thus most likely high-bandwidth) link you get instant transmission of
> data, without worring about the bandwidth used.  If you're over a slow
> (and thus most likely low-bandwidth) link you get slower transmission, but
> at a huge bandwidth saving! The slower the link, the less traffic you send.
> 
> Of course, like most things there's a few disadvantage - the one Howard
> mentioned is one of the more common. Function keys and the like (including
> arrows) are transmitted by sending an escape character, followed quickly by
> another character. Over a fast link this will normally work fine (normally
> - see below!) but over a slow link the second character will not be sent
> until the first is ACKed, resulting in a delay which is often too great for
> the remote system to detect it as a function combination.

This also explains why SSH doesn't exhibit the same issues as telnet, as
it pads the data with random rubbish to obscure the crypto.

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[SLUG] (no subject)

[Rebecca Richards]

Message: 9
Anthony,

> But can anyone recommend a (recent) Digital Camera that is known to work
> with Linux?

> I believe that most of the cameras use some sort of "memory stick" that
> can be put into some sort of PCMCIA device that just looks like a drive
> with DOS format files on it.. but some don't do this.. and some have
> proprietary files on it..

My recommendation is to buy either a Nikon CoolPix 800, or a Nikon CoolPix 990.  
The Coolpix 800 is now around $1300, and the 990 is around $2K.

Both Nikon models use CompactFlash cards for their memory.  The 800 is capable 
of outputting 1600 x 1200 TIF and JPEG images, the 990 is capable of outputting 
2048 x 1536 w/ 3x optical zoom.  You don't want a camera that has a million x 
digital zoom with no optical zoom.

I have a Coolpix 800, and it's been worth every cent.  I can plug in the 128meg 
CF card into the camera, and take over 140 high-quality JPG's before having to 
stop, eject the card, put in the 64meg CF Card, and start taking more photos :)

The way I get the images off the camera is to eject the CF Card, put it into a 
CF Card adapter (PCMCIA adapter), and stick it into my laptop.  The card is 
recognised by PCMCIA-CS ok, and I can mount it as a FAT filesystem in the usual 
manner.  CP the images across, and rm them from the CF card... very simple.

The interesting thing about this scheme is that I think the IBM microdrives will 
work with these cameras, and thus I could theoretically get over a gig of memory 
into the camera.

You don't want to get one of the cameras with floppy disk storage - 2mega-pixel 
cameras generally write something between 400 and 1meg images.  TIF images are 
far more expensive, but they're brilliant shots.  My experience has been that 
the SmartMedia cards are generally problematic - one of my friends bought an 
Olympus digital camera with SmartMedia support, bought a 64meg SM card, and the 
camera wouldn't support it.

If you want a more professional digital camera, there's the Nikon D1 @ $10k.


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RE: [SLUG] Digital Camera Recommendations..

[grant]

Hello

I have a Lieca Digilux zoom (rebadged Fuji 1700). It uses serial cable which
is good for my Libretto laptop to download. Yeah serial is a bit slow but I
don't use it every day.
I havent tried it but it is listed on gphoto.

My one piece of advice (which this camera has) is a normal see through view
finder.
You get heaps more battery life out of it. I can take it and snap all day on
the
 recharables. It's the LCD that really sucks the life out of the battery.
The documentation says that you can take 250 shots if you don't use the LCD
(havent tested this theory).

The only downside is that 2X digital zoom does not work through a view
finder but in my
case the 3X optical is enough for happy snaps.

The other thing I like about it is the size about the size of a 30 pack of
cigerettes.

the cammera can record 40 high quallity 640X480 same res as a normal photo
or
15 highquality 1024X768 in jpg format. This is on a 8MB card which is good
enough for me.

regards

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[SLUG] Via chipset sound configuration

[Gareth Walters]

G'day all,
I have a number of VIA 
chipset motherboards with onboard sound that I am having a great deal of 
difficulty getting to work. I have tried configuring kernel 2.2.17 but when 
I try and install the via82cxxx module all I get is..
Device or resource busy.
and the module does not load.
 
I checked the kernel docs and nothing seems 
appropriate for my hardware and the sound howto still left me in the 
dark.
 
I am really confused.
 
 
TIA for any assistance.
 
 
 
---Gareth Walters

Re: [SLUG] Digital Camera Recommendations..

[Crossfire]

I've used one of the more recent Sony Cyber-shot Cameras in conjunction with
a Linux/Win laptop and have gotten quite good results.  The specific model
was the DSC-F505 [no, I don't own it - it belongs to my workplace].

The Camera itself has Async Serial and USB connections - the Serial is
supported using "rsony", and the USB is support to some degree by the Linux
USB drivers. [the Camera looks like one of the standalone Sony Memory Stick
readers via USB].  I couldn't get the USB driver to work - but I didn't try
very hard.  I did get serial to work at maximum speed - but as was expected,
its just a little slow. [In the end I just used the Memory stick -> Floppy
Drive adapter with windows which was a significant amount faster than
serial... but needs somebody to hack up a driver for linux :)]

The Camera itself is quite high quality, taking pictures up to 1600x1200.
My biggest qualms were that the autofocus was a bit slow for my liking, the
Camera doesn't perform so well in low light, and the battery life is *far*
too short - only 1 hour using the standard LithIon with the LCD display
backlight switched on.  Also, I found the lens wasn't quite wide angle
enough for me, forcing me to stand a bit far back compared to what I was
used to with my SLR's standard lens.

The best things about the camera?  Audio Feedback that the picture has been
taken... [I started with SLRs, so being able to hear the shutter was always
the cue to me that my picture has been taken... the Sony plays back a little
*click* sound to signify that the photo has been taken, which is a lot nicer
than some of the kodaks that don't do anything like that].  The Camera can
record 15 second MPEG clips [completely useless for me, but its a cute
gimic].  The fact that rsony works with it, and that people have gotten USB
to work with it under Linux too.

In general, if you don't mind having to buy a few extra batteries and carry
them around [the batteries are very light and fairly small anyway, so its
not a real bother for anything other than cost], they are a very nice
camera.

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From: "Rodos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Anthony Rumble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Digital Camera Recommendations..


> On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Anthony Rumble wrote:
>
> > But can anyone recommend a (recent) Digital Camera that is known to work
> > with Linux?




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RE: [SLUG] Nagle

[Dave Kempe]

> Clear as mud?

That was a pretty good explanation :-)

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Re: [SLUG] Digital Camera Recommendations..

[Rodos]

On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Anthony Rumble wrote:

> But can anyone recommend a (recent) Digital Camera that is known to work
> with Linux?

Checkout www.gphoto.org, its a camera program for Linux. If it supports it
then you are under way. Machines with serial and USB connections usually
work.

> I believe that most of the cameras use some sort of "memory stick" that
> can be put into some sort of PCMCIA device that just looks like a drive
> with DOS format files on it.. but some don't do this.. and some have
> proprietary files on it..

I would recommend something that stores in JPEG so you can easily access
the files. Also with a media that you can easily download directly off. My
Kodak DC240 has compact flash. The easiest thing is to take out the
compact flash card, place it into a PCMCIA holder and insert it into my
laptop. A script then copies all the images of, resizes and boarders them
with ImageMagik and creates a thumbnail index (I don't use gphoto
anymore).

In choosing a camera IMHO the things to look for are

1. Battery life. Make sure it comes with rechargables and a charger.

2. Large amount of memory. My 32Mb compact flash will hold 117 full res.
You use a digital camera because you can take a lot of photos at little
cost. Forget the idea of deleting the ones you don't want as you go, you
just won't bother doing it. Unlike a film camera its not easly to plug a
new film in, you need enough memory to take enough photos before getting
to a device to download.

3. Linux and native image format support. This means gphoto, usb and jpeg
format.

> I'm really looking for which ones out of the ones that do work with Linux
> are better...

I am very happy with my DC240. But there are of course better models
available now.

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RE: [SLUG] Digital Camera Recommendations..

[George Vieira]

I have a Sony DCR-TRV10E which uses the memory stick. It is listed (I'm
pretty sure I saw it) in the Gphoto (i think that's the program) list.

Of course you have to use the the serial cable and box for the memory stick
to be read.
Expensive but worth it as it's a video camera and digital camera. 

Just check against the list of supported cameras and pick from the list.

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Subject: [SLUG] Digital Camera Recommendations..


I can't remember if this has been asked before..

But can anyone recommend a (recent) Digital Camera that is known to work
with Linux?

I believe that most of the cameras use some sort of "memory stick" that
can be put into some sort of PCMCIA device that just looks like a drive
with DOS format files on it.. but some don't do this.. and some have
proprietary files on it..

I'm really looking for which ones out of the ones that do work with Linux
are better...

Tnx

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Re: [SLUG] Nagle

[Scott Howard]

On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 11:14:42PM +1100, Anthony Rumble wrote:
> Perhaps someone who knows exactly what "Nagle" is and does, could perhaps
> explain a little more in depth what it is and what it does, and why to the
> list, so that we could all know more about it.

An example shows it better than a description...

Without the Nagle Algorithm.
Consider a telnet session. You hit one key about every 1/10th of a second.
Telnet tries to send each character as you type it. TCP does the same.
This means that every 1/10th of a second you're sending a TCP packet
which contains around 40 bytes of header and 1 byte of data - or a
total of 410 bytes/second to send 10 characters/second.

With the Nagle Algorithm.
You still type one key every 1/10th of a second, and telnet still tries to
send each character as you type it.
For the first packet, TCP will send it as per normal. The difference is
that TCP will not send the next packet until the first has been acknowledge
by the remote host.  Over a fast link, the delay for the ack might be a
few milliseconds, so the 2nd character (which get sent to TCP 100ms after
the first is sent) will be sent instantly, and nagle has no effect.
However, over a slower link the delay might be 450ms. This means that the
2nd through 6th characters will all be held at the TCP layer, and all
transmitted in one packet. Ditto for the 7th to 11th characters, etc.
The means that with a delay of 450ms, only 2-3 packets, or around 100
bytes/second (including header) will be sent - saving around 3/4 of the 
traffic from the first example.

The advantage of Nagle is that it's self-paceing.  If you're on a fast (and
thus most likely high-bandwidth) link you get instant transmission of
data, without worring about the bandwidth used.  If you're over a slow
(and thus most likely low-bandwidth) link you get slower transmission, but
at a huge bandwidth saving! The slower the link, the less traffic you send.

Of course, like most things there's a few disadvantage - the one Howard
mentioned is one of the more common. Function keys and the like (including
arrows) are transmitted by sending an escape character, followed quickly by
another character. Over a fast link this will normally work fine (normally
- see below!) but over a slow link the second character will not be sent
until the first is ACKed, resulting in a delay which is often too great for
the remote system to detect it as a function combination.

Just to confuse matters further, there's another "feature" in TCP called
"delayed ACK". This is basically an attempt by a system to save traffic by
reducing the number of ACK packets it has to send (as you can ACK multiple
received packets with a single ACK).
Delayed ACK works by not ACKing a recevied packet immediately, but instead
waiting a short period - usually around 200ms - to see if there's any other
packets coming. If no other packets arrive in that time it will finally send
the ACK.
This saves on traffic, but can cause delays for the ACK if there's no
further packets.

The problems occur when you mix the Nagle stuff with the delayed ack stuff.
The soruce host will not send the 2nd packet until it gets a reply from the
destinstion to the first, but the destination will not send a reply for
200ms, which means the 2nd packet (the one containing the 2nd part of
the time-sensitive escape sequence!) will be delayed for 200ms, which
means it gets mis-interpreted by the destination.

The best fix I've seen for this is a for telnet to add some intelligence
about what to do when it gets an escape character - by waiting for a
fraction of a second and waiting for another character, and then sending
both at once this problem is overcome!


Clear as mud?

  Scott.


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Re: [SLUG] Digital Camera Recommendations..

[Arunava Sen]

I was lucky enough to be gifted one of these new Samsung digital cameras. The
model number is: SDC-007. It is very small and very sexy. It comes with serial
cable to interface to a com port. The provided software is for Win9x (surprise,
surprise!). However, Gphoto and its siblings may be able to use it. Havent
tried it because - and I really like this - it has composite output. I simply
plug it into my tv tuner then grab captures with Xawtv.

I dont know much about digital cameras to know if this is a common feature on
them or not.

Just ask, if you want more details.

Arun


Jeff Waugh wrote:

> I believe Anthony is referring to the happy-snaps variety (nudge-nudge,
> wink-wink, say no more).
>
> I wouldn't mind a few pointers either, I've got a few projects coming up
> that a digital camera would be quite useful for.



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[SLUG] how to install Redhat6.2 on a ultra66 hard disk.

[Thai]

Hello everybody,

My computer has a Promise ultra66 controller. My hard disk supports
ultra66. Do you know how to install redhat 6.2 on that disk which is
plugged to ultra66 controller?

On Promise web page (www.promise.com) there's a guide to install redhat
6.0 to a ultra66 hard disk. It seems to me that it doesn't work with
redhat 6.2. They say that kernel of redhat 6.1 and later versions
support ultra66. If we want to use that feature, we have to recompile
the kernel. I can recompile the kernel, but I'm not sure if I know where
the option that enables ultra66 is and I'm not sure if we can boot linux
directly from a ultra66 hard disk after we recompile the kernel or we
cannot do that but redhat will regconize any ultra66 hard disk with the
condition that we have to boot linux from IDE.

Do you have any experience about that? If you've done it before, tell me
what you do please.

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Re: [SLUG] Digital Camera Recommendations..

[Anand Kumria]

On Wed, Nov 08, 2000 at 11:48:51PM +1100, Mehmet Ozdemir wrote:
> > 
> > I'm really looking for which ones out of the ones that do work with Linux
> > are better...
> 
> If you can afford it, Sony CD1000, stores all images to a 170 MB CDR, 10
> X optical zoom.
> 1600 x 1200 res. They go for $2500.00 bargain really when the media is
> so cheap at $3.00 for 150 1600 X 1200 jpgs.

Err, no the media isn't that cheap.

These are "mini-CDs" so they can cost more than regular sized CDs.

Anand


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Re: [SLUG] Digital Camera Recommendations..

[Mehmet Ozdemir]

> 
> I'm really looking for which ones out of the ones that do work with Linux
> are better...

If you can afford it, Sony CD1000, stores all images to a 170 MB CDR, 10
X optical zoom.
1600 x 1200 res. They go for $2500.00 bargain really when the media is
so cheap at $3.00 for 150 1600 X 1200 jpgs.

Mehmet Ozdemir


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Re: [SLUG] Digital Camera Recommendations..

[Terry Collins]

Rachel Polanskis wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Anthony Rumble wrote:
> 
> > I can't remember if this has been asked before..
> >
> > But can anyone recommend a (recent) Digital Camera that is known to work
> > with Linux?

..snip

> Personally,  I prefer those Axis ones that are platform independant.

I think Anthony is looking for a happy snaps camera. Not a webcam style
fixed cam.

Not hard to tell what for {:-)

Re sticks, etc, you might want to look at those that have floppy drives.
I understand a few use standard floppies to store the images. 

Personally, I decided on a more conventional film model recently and
then scanning them. Quality leaves a lot to be desired in the digital
camaeras (my 2c).


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Re: [SLUG] Digital Camera Recommendations..

[Jeff Waugh]

> You just deliver the content from the camera to whatever platform server
> you want and there you go. 


Heh. High-end geek that you are! ;)

I believe Anthony is referring to the happy-snaps variety (nudge-nudge,
wink-wink, say no more).


I wouldn't mind a few pointers either, I've got a few projects coming up
that a digital camera would be quite useful for.

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[SLUG] Digital Camera Recommendations..

[Anthony Rumble]

I can't remember if this has been asked before..

But can anyone recommend a (recent) Digital Camera that is known to work
with Linux?

I believe that most of the cameras use some sort of "memory stick" that
can be put into some sort of PCMCIA device that just looks like a drive
with DOS format files on it.. but some don't do this.. and some have
proprietary files on it..

I'm really looking for which ones out of the ones that do work with Linux
are better...

Tnx

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Re: [SLUG] Nagle

[Anthony Rumble]

On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Scott Howard wrote:

> > Is anyone able to confirm, or otherwise, whether the ability to enable or
> > disable the Nagle algorithm is still in the 2.2.x kernels.
> 
> Out of interest, why do you want to disable nagle?
> 
> In almost all cases turning off Nagle on a host basis (as opposed to a
> connection basis for some connections) is a bad thing.
> 
> For a telnet session, the only thing gained by turning it off is that if
> you're over a high latency link the connection will be less jerky (but with
> a very significant increase in bandwidth usage - up to about 10x as much
> data can be transmitted with Nagle disabled!).

Perhaps someone who knows exactly what "Nagle" is and does, could perhaps
explain a little more in depth what it is and what it does, and why to the
list, so that we could all know more about it.

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Re: [SLUG] web question..

[Jeff Waugh]

> When I have a web client hit a web page on my server... what information can
> one extract from the browser?


EVERYTHING. You can be Big Brother himself if you want to. :)


> I'd like to know where I could find a url that
> explains the variables.. as I would like to get a php3 script to grab out as
> much info from the client and log it.


Okay, do you really need php to do the logging, etc? When Apache does all
this for you, you may as well use it's logging features. Much easier. :)

If your Apache is set up sanely, you can replace the reference to your
access.log file in httpd.conf to:

CustomLog /home/jdub/public_html/stats/access.log full

So, instead of using the normal, somewhat minimal log, it will suck out
everything.

Then, you can use common statistics tools to view your logfiles nicely. The
one we use on SLUG is Webalizer, which is fairly good.

http://slug.org.au/stats/>

A little bird has just whispered into my ear that Analog is also good,
although I must admit, it was the pretty colours of Webalizer that clinched
the deal for me. ;)

Both have pretty good setup documentation.


> Especially if I could find out what
> url they just can from to get to the page they are at.


Analog and Webalizer will do this for you, and even give you a rundown of
the countries your viewers come from. See http://linux.conf.au/stats/>
for a more interesting look at this... See the pie chart down the bottom.

If you want a peek at the referring site in a PHP script, use the
$HTTP_REFERRER variable.


All Free Software. ;)

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Re: [SLUG] web question..

[Terry Collins]

Crossfire wrote:
> 
> Why use a PHP3 script when Apache can log it for you?
> 
> The most useful information you can get about the browser is the User-Agent
> string, which identifies which browser is viewing the page.

Hmm, dependent solely on a set string which for Nutscape on Linux says
Macintosh {:-).


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Re: [SLUG] web question..

[Michael]

Thanks for the info ppl. I have since got what I needed. I remember seeing
that phpinfo stuff somewhere in a doc. Great to have someone jog my memory.

I needed it, as squidGuard is redirecting proxy denied clients to a webpage,
but I want this webpage to email admin or even log the information the
client was trying to access. As squidGuard had no cgi script that you could
pass the user to, before sending them to a denied page.

I think I will be able to code what I need out of the information I have,
and the limited php coding skills I have acquired over the past 3-6 months
:)

Thanks once more..

Michael



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Re: [SLUG] web question..

[Crossfire]

Why use a PHP3 script when Apache can log it for you?

The most useful information you can get about the browser is the User-Agent
string, which identifies which browser is viewing the page.  This
information can be used for all sorts of sillyness should you desire to use
it that way.

Using a CustomLog, you can easily configure Apache to save the User-Agent
string [as well as many other parameters] recieved during a HTTP request so
you can then look at with which browser your site was hit with.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 10:35 AM
Subject: [SLUG] web question..


> Hi guys,
>
> When I have a web client hit a web page on my server... what information
can
> one extract from the browser? I'd like to know where I could find a url
that
> explains the variables.. as I would like to get a php3 script to grab out
as
> much info from the client and log it. Especially if I could find out what
> url they just can from to get to the page they are at.




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Re: [SLUG] web question..

[tom burkart]

On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Michael wrote:

> When I have a web client hit a web page on my server... what information can
> one extract from the browser? I'd like to know where I could find a url that
> explains the variables.. as I would like to get a php3 script to grab out as
> much info from the client and log it. Especially if I could find out what
> url they just can from to get to the page they are at.
Just have a page that does 
It will tell you all the variables and their content.

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[SLUG] web question..

[Michael]

Hi guys,

When I have a web client hit a web page on my server... what information can
one extract from the browser? I'd like to know where I could find a url that
explains the variables.. as I would like to get a php3 script to grab out as
much info from the client and log it. Especially if I could find out what
url they just can from to get to the page they are at.

Any help would be greatly appreciated..

Thanks
Michael



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Re: [SLUG] [otish] Netscape meets php4 + DHTML + layers

[Jeff Waugh]

> - Jeff (who will indeed buy a drink for the first person to tell me I
>   replied to the offtopic post. Apologies, etc.)


Claimed. :)

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