Re: [SLUG] printing to NT print share

[Ian Tester]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Shaun Cloherty wrote:

> I have been working on an smbprint like script, written in tcl/tk which,
> rather than reading a password from a .config file, pops up a window and
> asks the user to enter their password. I plan to install this script as
> the input filter in the printcap entry.
> 
> The script works like a charm when invoked directly, i.e.
> 
> $ cat somefile.ps | /var/spool/lpd/hp4/smbprint.tk
> 
> smbprint.tk pops up a window, I enter a password and it then calls
> smbclient to place the file (somefile.ps) in the NT print queue.

This won't work with lpd. lpd runs as a seperate user and shouldn't have
permission to pop up any window on a users display.

Perhaps you could write a two-stage system.

Something like:
1. A tcl/tk program is run when the user starts their X session
   (i.e run it in xinitrc or somehere)
   This program creates a pipe /tmp/.smbprint. and listens to it.

2. When a user prints to the NT print share, the input filter opens the
   appropriate pipe and asks for a password.

3. The tcl/tk program prompts the user for a password and passes it back
   along the pipe.

4. The input filter uses the password to print to the NT print share.

How does that sound?
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Re: [SLUG] chroot

[Sonam Chauhan]

Martin wrote:
> 
> > ... and here I was expecting you to say "but how do you compile a C
> > program in a chrooted environment", and I was going to say "well okay,
> > you do have a point, so the end result would be the same chicken/egg
> > problem with one needing a binary to get out of the chroot", which
> > either Terry, Crossfire or Angus would rebuke further... etc, etc.
> 
> well, what is stopping that same program compiled on a similar box being
> downloaded and run from within the chroot environment...
> 
> so, you then remove all means of transferring files from within the
> chroot environment...

Is this possible to do this? 

For instance, if we are running bind in a chroot jail, 
is it plausible for a hacker to exploit some buffer overflow problem to 
transmit and execute a binary file to break out of the chroot jail?

> where do you stop???...my head hurts!
> 
> > I'd imagine that a chrooted bind that isn't running as root would be
> > safer.
>   ^
> 
> emphasis on the "safer" which != "safe"...
> 
> on the subject of bind, has anyone researched the alternatives to bind?
> anyone used djbdns?

What about bind 9.1 ?  (http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/bind9.html)
It claims to be a complete rewrite. Is anyone using it?

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Re: [SLUG] FC: Australian government wants to ban Net-gambling (fwd)

[John Ryland]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001  8:22p, David Kempe wrote:
>
> However, as I have said before, this particular law neither prevents damage
> or stops any practice really. The current govt is clueless, lets get one
> that has a clue. I dunno if the opposition is any better tho.

I guess most governments are informed by experts and lobbists. Considering 
the IT industry is relatively new and that most computer programmers are well 
paid and fairly happy with the conditions they work under, there has been 
little need for a 'union' or for any kind of lobbying group to represent us. 
The closest group that I can think of is the ACS - Australian Computer 
Society. Perhaps we should all become members and get them to lobby Canberra 
to add some informed perspective to the picture (not just online gambling, 
but pretty much most IT issues)

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Re: [SLUG] First virus to infect Windows, Linux (fwd)

[Jobst Schmalenbach]

On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:58:42PM +1000, DaZZa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> A computer virus that can infect PCs running either the ubiquitous Windows
> operating system or the increasingly popular Linux operating system 
> has emerged.
> http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?90166
> ---
> 
> Amusing, but lacking somewhat in fact - typical of ZDnet. The web site of
> the company which apparently discovered it has some more detail -
> http://www.commandcentral.com

This place looks very wierd, maybe as weird as the virus itself.
And on zdnets site is says:

  if the user clicks on this  it will search for all files > 100KB
  and then infect them.

Mmmmh. How? for some obscure reason it knows the root password of the
machine to change a (for a user) read only file???



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Re: [SLUG] FC: Australian government wants to ban Net-gambling (fwd)

[Ian Tester]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, David Kempe wrote:

> Yes he does have the right. As the sitting government if all of a sudden, 
> people developed this great entertainment called "lets go beat up the 
> neighbours", then I would expect the government to outlaw it.

I'm sure this would come under "assualt and battery". And I sure hope there's
already a law against that, thank you!

> However, as I have said before, this particular law neither prevents damage 
> or stops any practice really.

That's right. It only stops Australians gambling on Australian servers. We can
still gamble on international servers, and international users can still gamble
on Australian servers. The best exlaination I can think of is that the
"reputable people" that own the local casinos exerted a little pressure on
gutless Johnny Howard and his clueless cabinet.

> The current govt is clueless, lets get one that has a clue. I dunno if the
> opposition is any better tho.

Natasha Stot Despoja for PM! I think I'd suddenly become very patriotic then.
"Your country sucks. Our national leader is a hot chick! so nyeer!" ;)
...or something like that... :P

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Re: [SLUG] FC: Australian government wants to ban Net-gambling (fwd)

[Craige McWhirter]

Thus spake David Kempe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> On Thursday 29 March 2001 09:14, Rachel Polanskis wrote:

> However, as I have said before, this particular law neither prevents damage 
> or stops any practice really. The current govt is clueless, lets get one that 
> has a clue. I dunno if the opposition is any better tho.

... or you could help form one that does have a clue, support a party in 
eutero:


http://www.mcwhirter.com.au/afp


What you'll find there is the beginnings of a party platform. If
SLUGgers out there are serious about the politics that have been spoken
on this list then this is another place to make a difference.

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Re: [SLUG] Ximian Gnome

[Jeff Waugh]

> Has anyone used Ximian Gnome?

Aye, aye!

> Pro's Con's ?

Pros:

- Supposedly, you get the latest and greatest of the Gnome Project's work,
  independently of the slow pace most distros update it. This would be a
  more powerful benefit if Ximian were actually doing any updating at the
  moment. (To their credit, a lot of their hackers are working overtime on
  the Gnome 1.4 release, and doing a fair bit of planning/flaming over GNOME
  2.0)

- It's purdy.

- The Helix Updater, or Red Carpet, the new updater keeps Gnome up to date,
  auto-downloading etc, on distros that don't support this. Red Carpet
  (still at 0.9ish) does distribution updating with dependencies, much like
  apt (although distros without long-time support for these sorts of things
  are proving to be a real hassle).

Cons:

- It's distribution independent. I'm not sure I like the idea of Red Carpet,
  as the only people I want updating my distro is... my distro vendor. Also,
  many distros go to a lot of effort to make software work within their
  utility sets, etc., and Ximian Gnome is out of kilter with that (I'm
  thinking of things like 'menu' and other infrastructural packages).

> (very unlikely to survive to MacLug (someone thinks they are cute))

Rupert is a very cute little monkey. :) Check out http://mrruperts.org/ for
some (very freaking cool) soon-to-be-released software named for him.

> I don't mind trying in on the Solaris8 boxen (Sparc10), but I'd like to
> know that it doesn't cause any major trouble before I test it on a Linux
> boxen as most of these are critical.

Just... Don't expect everything to work absolutely brilliantly. Gnome will
be the default desktop on Solaris 9 however, so there's certainly a lot of
work going on to make it excellent.

- Jeff


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Re: [SLUG] Ximian Gnome

[Crossfire]

Terry Collins was once rumoured to have said:
> Has anyone used Ximian Gnome?
> 
> Pro's Con's ?
> 
> A box arrived for MacLug today with two t-shirts, two Monkey Buddies
> (very unlikely to survive to MacLug (someone thinks they are cute)) and
> two CDroms for this stuff. 
> 
> I don't mind trying in on the Solaris8 boxen (Sparc10), but I'd like to
> know that it doesn't cause any major trouble before I test it on a Linux
> boxen as most of these are critical.

Well, I recently installed Ximian on eris (the machine that runs my
domain) and its still ticking over as normal, so I'd say its not
fatal.  That, and I've had it installed on the support laptops here at
work for some time. [I'm not the only user of the laptops, and ximian
gnome is somewhat more usable than the gnome that ships with RH6.2]

Of course, I only installed ximian gnome so I could try out Nautilus.
Go figure :)

Nautilus is ubernifty btw... :)

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RE: [SLUG] Multiple graphical logins

[Jill Rowling]

Yes, they sure do in Suse 6.4.
Runlevel 3 is with an X login.
I set mine to runlevel 2, and do the non-graphical login / startx as
appropriate.

Actually one of the sluggers gets his kids to login and startx themselves so
that their siblings don't re-arrange each others' desktops... now who was
that?

Regards,

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> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Waugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> 
> > Does anyone know how to do multiple graphical logins under 
> SuSE 6.4? 
> > (ie run kdm on virtual terminals 7 and 8)
 
> They don't use inittab for kicking off X, do they?
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[SLUG] Ximian Gnome

[Terry Collins]

Has anyone used Ximian Gnome?

Pro's Con's ?

A box arrived for MacLug today with two t-shirts, two Monkey Buddies
(very unlikely to survive to MacLug (someone thinks they are cute)) and
two CDroms for this stuff. 

I don't mind trying in on the Solaris8 boxen (Sparc10), but I'd like to
know that it doesn't cause any major trouble before I test it on a Linux
boxen as most of these are critical.



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Re: [SLUG] Re: Ghosting HDD's..

[Jeff Waugh]

> rsync is really nice for copying this stuff. Handles device files
> soft/hard links no problem and will work between hosts. Best thing since
> sliced bread! :)))

I was amused by Tridge's claim (at linux.conf.au) that his TiVos (and by
extension, all computers) are only useful once given the ability to rsync.

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Re: [SLUG] Multiple graphical logins

[Jeff Waugh]

> Does anyone know how to do multiple graphical logins under SuSE 6.4? 
> (ie run kdm on virtual terminals 7 and 8)
> 
> clues anyone?



They don't use inittab for kicking off X, do they?



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Re: [SLUG] PPTP and NAT

[Dave Peters]

John,

I am using a floppy distro. (coyotelinux.com) based on LRP. They claim
that they support pptp on their site. On my box running coyote, when I
do a: grep -i pptp /proc/ksyms I see that the ip_masq_pptp is present.
However, I do not find that I can run ipfwd on that box.

Is there no way of doing this with ipmasqadm?
Can I load ipfwd onto this type of system?

Thanks Again,
Dave

John Ferlito wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 05:40:28PM +, Dave Peters wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > Just joined the list.
> > have found uses either ipfwd or ipportfw. I need to accomplish this with
> > ipmasqadm. From what I understand the ipmasqadm replaced the ipfwd and
> > ipportfw commands somewhere in the 2.2.x kernel. Is this right?
> 
> you still need ipfwd
> >
> > lets assume the server that I am trying to reach is: 10.0.0.99
> > my linux box running nat, public ip is: 216.232.243.210
> > I currently am able to forward tcp traffic to this with the following
> > command:
> > ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L 216.232.243.210 80 -R 10.0.0.99 80
> > forwarding all www traffic to my internal box.
> >
> > With PPTP I need to forward all traffic with Protocol ID of 47 (0x2F) in
> > the same manner. The documentation I have found has the following
> > example:
> >
> > /sbin/ipfwd --masq 10.0.0.99 47 &
> 
> correct also add a --syslog and --debug for testing
> >
> > I have tried the following:
> > ipmasqadm portfw -a -P 47 -L 216.232.243.210 -R 10.0.0.99
> > and
> > ipmasqadm portfw -a -P ip -L 216.232.243.210 47 -R 10.0.0.99 47
> > and
> > ipmasqadm portfw -a -P 0x2F -L 216.232.243.210 -R 10.0.0.99
> 
> nope you don't need ahy of those just
> ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L 216.232.243.210 1752 -R 10.0.0.99 1752
> which will forward the pptp initialisation stuff
> 
> Alsmo make sure you have the ip_masq vpn/pptp module loaded.
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Re: [SLUG] PPTP and NAT

[John Ferlito]

On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 05:40:28PM +, Dave Peters wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Just joined the list. 
> have found uses either ipfwd or ipportfw. I need to accomplish this with
> ipmasqadm. From what I understand the ipmasqadm replaced the ipfwd and
> ipportfw commands somewhere in the 2.2.x kernel. Is this right? 

you still need ipfwd
> 
> lets assume the server that I am trying to reach is: 10.0.0.99
> my linux box running nat, public ip is: 216.232.243.210
> I currently am able to forward tcp traffic to this with the following
> command:
> ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L 216.232.243.210 80 -R 10.0.0.99 80
> forwarding all www traffic to my internal box.
> 
> With PPTP I need to forward all traffic with Protocol ID of 47 (0x2F) in
> the same manner. The documentation I have found has the following
> example:
> 
> /sbin/ipfwd --masq 10.0.0.99 47 &

correct also add a --syslog and --debug for testing
> 
> I have tried the following:
> ipmasqadm portfw -a -P 47 -L 216.232.243.210 -R 10.0.0.99
> and
> ipmasqadm portfw -a -P ip -L 216.232.243.210 47 -R 10.0.0.99 47
> and
> ipmasqadm portfw -a -P 0x2F -L 216.232.243.210 -R 10.0.0.99

nope you don't need ahy of those just
ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L 216.232.243.210 1752 -R 10.0.0.99 1752
which will forward the pptp initialisation stuff

Alsmo make sure you have the ip_masq vpn/pptp module loaded.

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[SLUG] printing to NT print share

[Shaun Cloherty]

I am trying to set up some mechanism for novice users to print to a
printer hanging of an NT server. The NT share requires a password from
the user before allowing them to print.

I have been working on an smbprint like script, written in tcl/tk which,
rather than reading a password from a .config file, pops up a window and
asks the user to enter their password. I plan to install this script as
the input filter in the printcap entry.

The script works like a charm when invoked directly, i.e.

$ cat somefile.ps | /var/spool/lpd/hp4/smbprint.tk

smbprint.tk pops up a window, I enter a password and it then calls
smbclient to place the file (somefile.ps) in the NT print queue.

The problem is getting smbprint.tk to pop up the window when invoked by
lpd as the input filter. smbprint.tk seems to be called with the UID of
the user trying to print, yet it seems to break when it tries to access
the display to open the window.

Can anyone shed any light on what is going on? Do I need to dance with
xauth? Does something like this already exist?

Any suggestions appreciated

Shaun

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[SLUG] PPTP and NAT

[Dave Peters]

Hi all,
Just joined the list. 

I have a network setup with a linux box used as a packetfilter/nat.
Inside my network I am running several systems. 
Im working on getting pptp through my Linux NAT. I have found
documentation on how to do this, however all of the documentation that I
have found uses either ipfwd or ipportfw. I need to accomplish this with
ipmasqadm. From what I understand the ipmasqadm replaced the ipfwd and
ipportfw commands somewhere in the 2.2.x kernel. Is this right? 

lets assume the server that I am trying to reach is: 10.0.0.99
my linux box running nat, public ip is: 216.232.243.210
I currently am able to forward tcp traffic to this with the following
command:
ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L 216.232.243.210 80 -R 10.0.0.99 80
forwarding all www traffic to my internal box.

With PPTP I need to forward all traffic with Protocol ID of 47 (0x2F) in
the same manner. The documentation I have found has the following
example:

/sbin/ipfwd --masq 10.0.0.99 47 &

I have tried the following:
ipmasqadm portfw -a -P 47 -L 216.232.243.210 -R 10.0.0.99
and
ipmasqadm portfw -a -P ip -L 216.232.243.210 47 -R 10.0.0.99 47
and
ipmasqadm portfw -a -P 0x2F -L 216.232.243.210 -R 10.0.0.99

all return the same error: portfw: invalid protocol specified

Any Ideas??

Thanks

Dave

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Re: [SLUG] OT repairing laser printers?

[Michael]

Great printers I think, I got a HP Laserjet 6L recently and its a awesome
printer.. might need to order a new toner soon, so I have one on hand as a
spare :)

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Jobst Schmalenbach wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:14:34PM +1000, Dave Fitch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > 
> > Sorry for the OT post, I have a HP laserjet 4m that keeps
> > jamming on the paper.  Anyone recommend a cheap place that
> > will fix it (it probably needs a good "service")?
> > (prefer round North Ryde approx but depends)
> 
> You should be able to do that yourself.
> I know for fact that if a HP4M jams its only cause paper dust
> is inside the printer (i have one myself and half looked after a few).
> 
> Get a normal vacuum cleaner with one of those "thin" extensions
> and give it a good clean inside (eg pull trays out etc).
> Then go and buy some methylated spirits and some paper towels and
> wipe anything and everything inside.
> 
> Wipe the fuser too (its that red roller which gets hot) but make
> sure you dont scratch the surface. If its too dirty, replace
> it (you can buy it from HP), most of the problems START here.
> 
> 
> Wait till its all dry and print.
> 
> 
> jobst
> 
> Mine is 4 years old and has never ever seen an HP techie!
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [SLUG] OT repairing laser printers?

[Jobst Schmalenbach]

On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:14:34PM +1000, Dave Fitch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> Sorry for the OT post, I have a HP laserjet 4m that keeps
> jamming on the paper.  Anyone recommend a cheap place that
> will fix it (it probably needs a good "service")?
> (prefer round North Ryde approx but depends)

You should be able to do that yourself.
I know for fact that if a HP4M jams its only cause paper dust
is inside the printer (i have one myself and half looked after a few).

Get a normal vacuum cleaner with one of those "thin" extensions
and give it a good clean inside (eg pull trays out etc).
Then go and buy some methylated spirits and some paper towels and
wipe anything and everything inside.

Wipe the fuser too (its that red roller which gets hot) but make
sure you dont scratch the surface. If its too dirty, replace
it (you can buy it from HP), most of the problems START here.


Wait till its all dry and print.


jobst

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Re: [SLUG] ADSL connection

[Chris Stokes]

Thanks for the Help - turned out I was using an old version of rp-pppoe - I
downloaded v3 from Roaring Penguin and all is now rosy !!

Regards,
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[SLUG] xfs not starting

[Scott Ragen]

Hey Sluggers,
I am having a problem with X, where xfs starts (or says it does) but when I
try to stop it, it fails. It appears to "lie" about starting because there
isn't a process.
I have Mandrake 7.2 and updated my box to XFree-4.0.1. The upgrade worked
fine, except it took ALONG time to bring up gnome, although I didn't reboot,
but I then tried updating gnome, it started, then crashed in the middle of
the install, and I had to hard reboot.
Also, when running the command xfs (no parameters) it segments and a core
dump (not in gui of course) is this usual? but with parameters, it seems
happy, although its not running.

Anyone tackled this problem before?


Regards,

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Re: [SLUG] need SB16's

[Richard Hayes]

"Michael (Micksa) Slade" wrote:
> 
> My old SB16 finally died the other day.  Can't play DOS games anymore :)
> 
> So, I'm looking to buy 2 (1 for spare :) ) second hand ISA SB16's or
> vibra 16's. I'll pay around $30 for one.

The North Rocks Computer market has them for around $25 

Sundays at Westfield North Rocks  (North Rocks Rd)


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[SLUG] OT: looking..

[Michael]

Hi,

Someone has asked me to source them a hardware device, and excuse me for
the off topic message, and if you reply, please do it off list.

It is now to the point where I am attempting to find the best price for
the item.

What I am after is a Netgear RM356 analog/modem router. Anyone aware of a
stockist who is trying to offload them for a good price, or do you know of
someone selling ex-demo stock etc.. Let me know ..

Thanks
Michael


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Re: [SLUG] File based snapshots in Linux

[Peter Rundle]

Thom May wrote:

> And the one line answer is:
> http://www.mountainviewdata.com/us/technology/snapfs.html

Thom,

I LUV those one line answers ;-) thanks a bunch.

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[SLUG] enquiry

[Terry Tremethick]

Thanks for your mail! Who can I get help off, especially Aussies? Here is 
an email I sent to someome"Yes ozemail have changed the usernames to the 
address as all this works inwin 95, 98 ,ME, 2000.I have already 
tried the lock thing without success.I also doubled the time out 
period.The stuff on ozemail is pretty old. That was how I connected 
about 10 yearsago as I have been with them for a while. I can connect using 
kppp interminal mode and get my login and password through. However "logging 
on tothe network..." times out.DNS is userpeerdns which I got 
working in manual mode using scripts I foundon the internet. So connecting 
manually works. Ozemail gives me an ipaddress and assigns two dns servers to 
me automatically and I happilybrowsed the internet for hours. (only just got 
my head around it last night)It used pap.However I connected using a 
USR voice modem (different model) on a friendspc fine using the exact same 
mandrake install. After seeing kppp work Ireally liked it .My modem 
is a USR sportster 56k v90 external modem."
 
"sorry dude, can't read HTML emailplease send your question as 
plain text to [EMAIL PROTECTED]Conrad"

Thanks for your mail! Who can I get help off, especially Aussies? Here is an email I 
sent to someome

"Yes ozemail have changed the usernames to the address as all this works in
win 95, 98 ,ME, 2000.

I have already tried the lock thing without success.

I also doubled the time out period.

The stuff on ozemail is pretty old. That was how I connected about 10 years
ago as I have been with them for a while. I can connect using kppp in
terminal mode and get my login and password through. However "logging on to
the network..." times out.

DNS is userpeerdns which I got working in manual mode using scripts I found
on the internet. So connecting manually works. Ozemail gives me an ip
address and assigns two dns servers to me automatically and I happily
browsed the internet for hours. (only just got my head around it last night)
It used pap.

However I connected using a USR voice modem (different model) on a friends
pc fine using the exact same mandrake install. After seeing kppp work I
really liked it .

My modem is a USR sportster 56k v90 external modem."

Re: [SLUG] Staroffice 5.2 - HTML mode

[Howard Lowndes]

Jeez, pass me the clue stick please, it's time to self-flagillate.  I have
got to stop working long hours.

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Jeffrey Borg wrote:

> 
> > In SO 5.2 when creating an HTML document, how do you get the page title
> > into the code, short of switching to HTML source mode and inserting it
> > there, which does work.  I have looked at every obvious button/menu/thingy
> > that I can think of and I'm damned if I can find it anywhere; and the help
> > isn't much.
> 
> File -> Propertities -> Description Tab
> 
> You can edit it there the field is labelled "Title".
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 


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Re: [SLUG] FC: Australian government wants to ban Net-gambling (fwd)

[David Kempe]

On Thursday 29 March 2001 09:14, Rachel Polanskis wrote:
> Secondly, he doesn't have the right to determine what mature adults
> should be able to do for entertainment or how they spend their money.

Yes he does have the right. As the sitting government if all of a sudden, 
people developed this great entertainment called "lets go beat up the 
neighbours", then I would expect the government to outlaw it. I would prefer 
the government did decide to act when peoples lives are getting ruined by so 
called "entertainment". 

However, as I have said before, this particular law neither prevents damage 
or stops any practice really. The current govt is clueless, lets get one that 
has a clue. I dunno if the opposition is any better tho.

Dave.

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Re: [SLUG] FC: Australian government wants to ban Net-gambling (fwd)

[Umar Goldeli]

> Anyway, to let out another secret about myself, I am an ex-gambler. 
> At one stage I used to put all my earnings, after paying my rent 
> and food bills &c. through the Poker machines.  I reformed myself 
> and managed to wean myself off them.  I personally think gambling is 
> Evil Incarnate.  

Well, at one stage, I had a roulette habit too. Which was easily fixed -
my bank account went to $0 and I stopped. :)

> Secondly, he doesn't have the right to determine what mature adults 
> should be able to do for entertainment or how they spend their money.

Bingo.

> Thirdly as a technically adept person, we all know how difficult it 
> would be to enforce this law in much the same way as the moronic porn laws.
> Also there is the question of innovation and production of new net 
> technologies where there is revenue to be drawn.   Like all things,
> in moderation, gambling can be fun but there needs to be some 
> sort of regulation to allow those who wish to participate to do 
> so in some sort of structured environment so they are not ripped off 
> or end up losing their house/car/pets &c.



If anything, there should be educational campaigns - regulation in any
form is evil. "Buyer beware" is my motto.

I am sick to death of the Australian government (note the
intentional lowercase g) handholding the population in *every*
situation. And the population gets more and more careless whilst losing
those valuable three or four collective brain cells.

Hell, I don't have to think before I buy anything! Research before buying
a product? Bugger it! - The government will protect me from my own
stupidity and shaft the supplier.

I don't have to read contracts and fine print which is there for a reason
- the government will protect me from my own stupidity - call in the Dept
of Fair Trading, the buyer was too stupid to read the T & C - give him a
refund!

It's getting to the point where even the way toilet paper rolls are
mounted is legislated - up or down? Compulsory this, compulsory that,
legal this, illegal that.. hell, I'd like to make my own decisions thanks.

On another note - has anybody noticed that hardware stores can't sell any
form of blade to under 16's? That pisses me off to no end - when I was
roughly 7 years old, I was using surgical scalpels to build models - my
parents showed me how to use them without lopping off fingers and they
trusted my ability - quite simple. By 16, I had powertools, chainsaws,
access to welders and oxy torches etc..

Now if I turned back the clock and was 16'ish again, I wouldn't be able to
go into HardwareHouse and buy a Stanley blade? Excuse me? Is this so
the little Homies who hang outside Hoyts, look "cool" and try to mug
people don't have easy access to blades at my expense!? Rubbish. Just more
handholding and "fluffy feel good" tactics.

Hasn't anybody noticed that the general populace is slowly being led into
a "don't worry be happy" frame of mind (if they're not already) - don't
think - don't use your judgement. We'll tax the crap out of you.. it's
OK.. the footy is still on.. what's there to worry about?


 
> The labour viewpoint of regulating net gambling is probably the 
> best balanced approach and the lesser of two evils as people 
> will gamble no matter what the law says and regulation at least 
> stops those who cannot help their compulsion from having their 
> life savings syphoned off by the mafia or yakuza or triads or 
> whatever. 

The whole reason for banning net gambling is that they can't tax offshore
gambling sites. Not for any ethical or moral reason.

Hell - anybody can still go to Star City and gamble their kidneys away to
their heart's content.. if you're going to ban gambling online - then
demolish the Casinos as well.. oh, but they can't do that can they?
Because Star City is owned by "reputable people" - oh, and Johhny is good
friends with them, and Alston gets his high grade smack from the owner of
the Crown in Melbourne.. so we'll forget about the bricks and mortar
casinos.. throw some FUD at the populace about the perverts on the 'net
and then mention "online gambling".. that'll fix'em.



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Re: [SLUG] Multiple graphical logins

[Crossfire]

Nick Croft was once rumoured to have said:
> Ken,
> 
> Doesstartx -- :1
>   not work for you?

This wouldn't do what he desired.

Startx doesn't constrct an XDMCP login.

kdm does have an options file, and IIRC, it is configured through this file.

In a worse case, you could always just enable XDMCP from localhost, and run:

X :1 tty8 vt8 -query localhost

in place of a getty on tty8.  (but check that my options are right
first - I'm citing that from memory)

There are also reasons why you shouldn't do this. [kdm failure being
the main one]

C.
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Re: [SLUG] Staroffice 5.2 - HTML mode

[Jeffrey Borg]

> In SO 5.2 when creating an HTML document, how do you get the page title
> into the code, short of switching to HTML source mode and inserting it
> there, which does work.  I have looked at every obvious button/menu/thingy
> that I can think of and I'm damned if I can find it anywhere; and the help
> isn't much.

File -> Propertities -> Description Tab

You can edit it there the field is labelled "Title".

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Re: [SLUG] Multiple graphical logins

[Nick Croft]

Ken,

Doesstartx -- :1
not work for you?

Nick



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[SLUG] Staroffice 5.2 - HTML mode

[Howard Lowndes]

OK, this should be a simple one.

In SO 5.2 when creating an HTML document, how do you get the page title
into the code, short of switching to HTML source mode and inserting it
there, which does work.  I have looked at every obvious button/menu/thingy
that I can think of and I'm damned if I can find it anywhere; and the help
isn't much.

The reason I ask is that I want to let a neophyte create web pages easily.


Personally, I use vi (8-)


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[SLUG] First virus to infect Windows, Linux (fwd)

[DaZZa]

A computer virus that can infect PCs running either the ubiquitous Windows
operating system or the increasingly popular Linux operating system 
has emerged.
http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?90166
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Amusing, but lacking somewhat in fact - typical of ZDnet. The web site of
the company which apparently discovered it has some more detail -
http://www.commandcentral.com

DaZZa



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Re: [SLUG] FC: Australian government wants to ban Net-gambling (fwd)

[Dave Fitch]

On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:32:16AM +1000, Umar Goldeli wrote:
> Sure this does not necessarily directly relate to Linux - but as geeks,
> this should concern you.
> 
> Your Government is fucking both the economy, and the IT industry.

indeed, my favourite is bloody Dick Alston, minister against
IT and Telecommunications.

Dave.

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Re: [SLUG] FC: Australian government wants to ban Net-gambling (fwd)

[Rachel Polanskis]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Umar Goldeli wrote:

> Sure this does not necessarily directly relate to Linux - but as geeks,
> this should concern you.

I am in 2 minds about this legislation.
> 
> Your Government is fucking both the economy, and the IT industry.

No argument there.

> If there is anything else that can be done to fuck a country, I'd be quite
> impressed if it isn't already being done here in the "clever country".

Absolutely.  Even if you do not feel the opposition is up to the 
task (and it is no secret that I am a "true believer") just do 
anything you can to vote these fascists space monkeys out. 

> As a certified geek, I can safely say that Australia smells for me, my
> industry and most probably my kind.

Anyway, to let out another secret about myself, I am an ex-gambler. 
At one stage I used to put all my earnings, after paying my rent 
and food bills &c. through the Poker machines.  I reformed myself 
and managed to wean myself off them.  I personally think gambling is 
Evil Incarnate.  

I think there are some personalities (such as myself) that find 
it very hard to resist the addictive attraction that gambling offers. 
Also marketing is driven in such a way that a person with such an addictive
personality cannot have a pleasant evening out in a pub or club 
without being drawn inexorably towards the Evil Ones.

I am in 2 minds about the legislation because I agree
that gambling is out of control in this country.  It is avaricious, evil and 
soul destroying and very few people who have a gambling compulsion 
can avoid it.  Take it from me, I know.

Therefore in spirit I appreciate what Little Fascist Johnny is trying 
to do. 

However, his approach is misplaced - firstly because it is a diversion 
against his current self inflicted political woes.  He is just stirring 
up smoke to make Labour take some sort of imaginary high moral stance.

Secondly, he doesn't have the right to determine what mature adults 
should be able to do for entertainment or how they spend their money.

Thirdly as a technically adept person, we all know how difficult it 
would be to enforce this law in much the same way as the moronic porn laws.
Also there is the question of innovation and production of new net 
technologies where there is revenue to be drawn.   Like all things,
in moderation, gambling can be fun but there needs to be some 
sort of regulation to allow those who wish to participate to do 
so in some sort of structured environment so they are not ripped off 
or end up losing their house/car/pets &c.

The labour viewpoint of regulating net gambling is probably the 
best balanced approach and the lesser of two evils as people 
will gamble no matter what the law says and regulation at least 
stops those who cannot help their compulsion from having their 
life savings syphoned off by the mafia or yakuza or triads or 
whatever. 

As for me, I am glad I was able to get into computers as they cured 
me of the gambling addiction - video games have got to be good for something?!


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Re: [SLUG] CD label graphics

[Craige McWhirter]

At severe risk of not contributing anything useful (I'd hate to break
form) the only good thing about CD Stomper is the stomper ;)

Thus spake Nick Croft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> Sluggers,
> 
> Can anyone recommend a utility for creating CD labels? Is there a 
> plug-in for the Gimp?
> 
> I've used a PC||Mac atrocity called CD Stomper. There must be a 
> better way.

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[SLUG] NIST Cerberus - an IPSec implementation for Linux

[Grant Bayley]

Hi all,

It may or may not be of interest to anyone, but I've uploaded the NIST
Cerberus IPSec reference implementation for Linux to Wiretapped:

http://the.wiretapped.net/security/vpn-tunnelling/ipsec/nist-cerberus/
ftp://ftp.wiretapped.net/pub/security/vpn-tunnelling/ipsec/nist-cerberus/

The homepage for the software is at:

http://www.antd.nist.gov/Projects/projects_antd.html

Although it appears that NIST has been distributing the code prior to 2000
on floppy disk to US Citizens only and after US export regulation changes
in 2000 to pretty much anyone that asked, it doesn't appear to have been
made downloadable before.

Cerberus is the IPSec implementation and PlutoPlus (in the same directory)
is an IKE implementation accompanying it.

The code appears to be a little dated now in that it is intended to build
on Redhat 6.2 and Slackware 7.0 kernels but people may like to investigate
how easily the code builds on 2.2.19 etc.

Grant

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Re: [SLUG] File based snapshots in Linux

[Ian Tester]

On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Peter Rundle wrote:

> Sluggers,
> 
> Does anyone know if there is a Veritas equivilent to doing file
> based snapshots in Linux. I've been told that this is available 
> in the Logical Volume Manager (LVM) but looking at their site it
> appears that they do volume based snapshots not file based.
> And these snapshots in fact copy the entire data.
> 
> The basic method is like this,

[snip]

just for future reference, this technique is often refered to as "copy on
write".

i.e - This is used whenever a translation map translates virtual addresses to
physical addresses. When a copy is made, have the entries of the duplicate point
at the original data (just like the original entries), and both sets are marked
as "read only". Reads still go to the original data. When a write is performed,
it's trapped and a real copy is then made before continuing with the write
operation.

Linux and most Unix's do this when a program fork()'s. Hell, I think
the Gimp even does this now when an image is duplicated.

As for your original question, I don't know. Have you asked on the LVM list?
I wouldn't be surprised if someone is working on something like this.

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[SLUG] need SB16's

[Michael (Micksa) Slade]

My old SB16 finally died the other day.  Can't play DOS games anymore :)

So, I'm looking to buy 2 (1 for spare :) ) second hand ISA SB16's or
vibra 16's. I'll pay around $30 for one.

Anyone have any?

Mick.

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Re: [SLUG] chroot

[Andrew Reilly]

Thanks for that reference.  I don't think I've ever seen a
clearer go-to-woah analysis of this sort of hackery.  Very neat
indeed.

Needless to say FreeBSD doesn't have that particular
hole anymore, though.  A quick scan through
/usr/src/sys/miscfs/procfs/procfs_status.c shows that the result
writing idiom has been changed to prevent the buffer overflow.
(Which was the real problem, not something peculiar to jail(2).)

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[SLUG] OT repairing laser printers?

[Dave Fitch]

Sorry for the OT post, I have a HP laserjet 4m that keeps
jamming on the paper.  Anyone recommend a cheap place that
will fix it (it probably needs a good "service")?
(prefer round North Ryde approx but depends)

Thanks,
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Re: [SLUG] File based snapshots in Linux

[Thom May]

And the one line answer is:
http://www.mountainviewdata.com/us/technology/snapfs.html
it does depend on having ext3fs or XFS compiled into the kernel, so it'll be
quite happy with either 2.2 or 2.4 kernels respectively.
Cheers,
-Thom
* Peter Rundle ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on Thu Mar 29, 2001 at 10:58:16 
+1000:
> Sluggers,
> 
> Does anyone know if there is a Veritas equivilent to doing file
> based snapshots in Linux. I've been told that this is available 
> in the Logical Volume Manager (LVM) but looking at their site it
> appears that they do volume based snapshots not file based.
> And these snapshots in fact copy the entire data.
> 
> The basic method is like this,
> 
> The file system inode points to the blocks that make up the 
> file. When a snapshot of the file is made a new inode is 
> created which has a duplicate set of pointers to the same 
> blocks. (Note I use "inode" here loosely, as I'm not sure that 
> it's quite the same as an ext2 inode).
> 
> A request to write to a block in the file is met by copying the
> block to a new location and updating the original inode pointer 
> to point to the new location but leaving the copied inode alone.
> 
> Snapshot initial creation
> 
>+-+
>fileinode +---> | block 0 | <---+ newinode
>  | +-+ |
>  |---> | block 1 | <---+
>  | +-+ |
>  +---> | block 2 | <---+
>+-+
> 
> After write to block 1 of the file
>   
>+-+
>fileinode +---> | block 0 | <---+ newinode
>  | +-+ |
>  | | block 1 | <---+
>  | +-+ |
>  +---> | block 2 | <---+
>  | +-+
>  +---> | block 1 | 
>+-+
> 
> So newinode is a point in time snapshot which I can backup to 
> tape at my leisure. The advantage of which is that I don't need 
> twice the disk space to make a "point in time copy". Of course 
> if I leave the snapshot in place for long enough the file will
> eventually roll through all the pointers so that I in fact have
> two seperate files. 
> 
> Does anybody know of a Linux equivelent to this?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Pete
> 

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Re: [SLUG] File based snapshots in Linux

[Dave Fitch]

On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:58:16AM +1000, Peter Rundle wrote:
> The file system inode points to the blocks that make up the 
> file. When a snapshot of the file is made a new inode is 
> created which has a duplicate set of pointers to the same 
> blocks. (Note I use "inode" here loosely, as I'm not sure that 
> it's quite the same as an ext2 inode).

isn't what you've described loosely what ln does?
(hard links I mean)

Dave.

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Re: [SLUG] chroot

[Crossfire]

Colin Humphreys was once rumoured to have said:
> Crossfire wrote:
> > djbdns is not really suitable for use on public DNS servers.
> 
> Could you please explain why? I have been using djbdns on various public
> dns servers for well over a year. I have never had any problems.

What, apart from the licensing, the fact the author is an idiot who
thinks he knows whats best?

What about the fact you need to set up and maintain lots of little
processes which make life harder to trace failures through?  What
about using the ZONE format (the same format used globally elsewhere)? 
What about the fact that tinydns only implements a subset of the DNS
protocol that djb arbitarily decided was all that you need?

[What? tinydns's format is easier to read?  I'm sorry, it bears no
 resemblence to any piece of DNS data I've ever seen]

djb slanders BIND practice using examples of human stupidity and
blaming BIND and its process for it.  (Read the FAQ and read about
assigning different names to your zone's nameservers than listed in
the parent zone).

He slanders .de for enforcing that you host your DNS servers on
seperate subnets without mentioning why they would do such a thing.
[Why? its best practice with public DNS - otherwise you might as well
have only one nameserver since when your network connection fails or
looses route, nobody will be able to contact your nameservers anyway].

Sorry, djb, would you kindly stop tripping on your own ego so much?
What you're promoting is far from good practice.

>> That, and it doesn't cache [it relies upon dnscache to do that],
>> which makes it moderately useless.
> 
> Why? Whats wrong with relying on dnscache? You can run dnscache on the
> loopback, and make djbdns available on the external interface. If you
> want a external cache, use ip aliasing. Its just different.

Whoa? IP *aliasing*!  thats a luxury, not a given.  You won't always
have IP space to do such things in.  And the fact you need to use an
IP alias is just plain *wrong*.

>> It also doesn't support AFXR, which means you'll be manually
>> updating your secondaries.  It is on my "not recommended list".  >
>
> um, yes it does. Thats some of the secondaries I administer get
> updated.

Ok, after deeper diging, I'll concede this - but it means *another*
daemon you have to run, which only understands AFXR.  Still, PITA to
administer I'm sure.

Of course, he flags AFXR as obsolete - never mind that its standard
operating practice, and will continue to be so until something better
is universally supported.


Like I said, if he didn't public crap, I wouldn't be offended.

If he wants his stuff to be accepted, then he should sit through what
the rest of us have to and post RFCs detailing new protocols, and then
convince people that they should be implemented, rather than just
blindly going off and pushing out semi-compatible implementations as
being superior secure implementations.

What? this practice sounds famaliar to you?  

What? From a company in redmond?...

C.
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[SLUG] Ask about datatype in Unix-C

[Le Nhu Hai]

Hi all,

I am studying a open source on Linux. There is a data
type named as "Octstr", that looks like "char" type of
C. Do you know is there that type in standard type of
UNIX-C ?

Thank you in advance,

Hai

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[SLUG] Multiple graphical logins

[Ken Caldwell]

Does anyone know how to do multiple graphical logins under SuSE 6.4? 
(ie run kdm on virtual terminals 7 and 8)

You can do this under Debian (and some other distributions) by editing

/etc/X11/xdm/Xservers

but I haven't found how to achieve the same result under SuSE 6.4.  SuSE
uses KDE stuff which resides in /opt/kde but I could not find analogous
config files nor any mention in the book that came with the distro.  I
guess it's not a common requirement.

I would like to be able to press ctrl+alt+F8 when my daughter wants to
check her email.  She can then login check her mail and log out and I
can press ctrl+alt+F7 and continue where I left off.

clues anyone?

TIA

Ken

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