Re: [SLUG] ping problems
Make sure reverse DNS works for the places you are trying to ping or ping -n ipaddress That will test ICMP. Also make sure you havent firewalled yourself in. ipchains -L -n dave - Original Message - From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 4:42 PM Subject: [SLUG] ping problems Greetings all This is a newbie question,having just begun to test the waters. 8) After recently installing RH 7.0 and setting it up on our network (assigning IP and default gateway) I realised that I could traceroute to just about anywhere on the planet, I have no probs resolving DNS names etc but 100% packet loss with ping and no www. I'm at a loss as where to go or what to do. Anyone with any suggestions? Thanx in advance Mike -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ping problems
At 16:43 30/05/2001, you wrote Make sure reverse DNS works for the places you are trying to ping or ping -n ipaddress We have tried IP address and domain names and they resolve OK, it just refuses to do the actual ping. That will test ICMP. Also make sure you havent firewalled yourself in. ipchains -L -n I checked ipchains and it appears that I'm open to the world (input, out put and forward all accept). We can also telnet out but can't telnet in. The thinking here is that certain deamons aren't up. How does one check such a thing? What is meant to be running in a default install. What needs to be running to get networked? Thanx again Mike Mike Colgan Mbcomms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 9559 2629 Mobile: 0425 242 573 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] ping problems
Hi Mike, After recently installing RH 7.0 and setting it up on our network (assigning IP and default gateway) I realised that I could traceroute to just about anywhere on the planet, I have no probs resolving DNS names etc but 100% packet loss with ping and no www. I'm at a loss as where to go or what to do. Anyone with any suggestions? Your info is a little open to interpretation... How are you connecting to the net? Via dialup from the linux box or through your LAN? If dialup, maybe you should remove your default gateway setting? The output of netstat -r and ifconfig (when you are connected to the net) would probably be helpful. Cheers, Marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ping problems
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Mike Colgan wrote: Make sure reverse DNS works for the places you are trying to ping or ping -n ipaddress We have tried IP address and domain names and they resolve OK, it just refuses to do the actual ping. *Reverse* DNS - dig -x IP address or dig IP in reverse.in-addr.arpa. That will test ICMP. Also make sure you havent firewalled yourself in. ipchains -L -n I checked ipchains and it appears that I'm open to the world (input, out put and forward all accept). We can also telnet out but can't telnet in. The thinking here is that certain deamons aren't up. How does one check such a thing? What is meant to be running in a default install. What needs to be running to get networked? The fact you can ping means the network is going - the fact you can't connect to a Web server means something is intercepting the packets. Make sure you're not behind a firewall that blocks port 80 (forcing you to use a caching proxy). That might be the problem. -- --- #include disclaimer.h Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] E-Commerce...what do I need.
Talks to the St George Financial Transaction Server. The FTS i use is at: www.au.interpath.net I wrote a generic PHP Class that does all the heavy lifting and invokes cURL (curl.haxx.se) that does the secure link jobbie back to interpath. You get a lovely report mailed to you nightly. I would have to say, that from my personal experience, do NOT go with online credit card transactions. Theres heaps of reasons :- A) There expensive.. for little purpose B) you have NO control over the transactions.. C) Contrary to popular belief, customers do NOT feel more comfortable doing their transactions with a third party.. (Yes.. National Australia Bank.. this means you too) B is very important.. as you don't get a chance to vete the order for fraud activity. Let me tell you about a company I know of that had online credit card facilities.. Most online carders are trying to get in between when a card is stolen, to when it's reported stolen.. So that the system will accept the transaction, and you, the merchant wont know that it was fraudulent until you get the charge back request like a month later. Anyway.. someone put through like 200 fraudulent transactions (via Amex) totally well in excess of $20.. And when the chargebacks came through, Amex decided they had too many, and revoked their merchant facilities. Visa/Mastercard will do the same thing under the same circumstances. SO.. basically.. get an EFTPOS machine from your bank.. and put them though by hand.. PGP them from your web site and email them to you. Just dont STORE them anywhere on the web site. Make sure you scrutinise all orders for fraud signs. Don't accept ANY orders from Indonesia, and don't trust Overseas orders with Visa/Mastercard. Amex are the ONLY ones who will do destination verification for you to validate the card and order address. -- Anthony Rumble - Managing Director EverythingLinux.com.au - The Alternative Operating System Store LinuxHelp.com.au - Support,Training,Development,Consulting Phone: 0500 500 368 Direct 02-9712-1799 Fax 02-9712-3977 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Stupid Question about the backspace key!
Jeff Waugh wrote:
This happened on #slug, where all (read: quite a bit of) the action is!
Umm, is #slug still infested with fleas?
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RE: [SLUG] Re. Debian birth pangs$ chmod 755 so_blah; ./so_blah
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[SLUG] re: linux and laptops
Hi, It appears after some much needed hunting around. Thanks to the slug archives and also to www.linux-laptop.net, and also some other sites. I think I have settled on the IBM Thinkpad 600E, it seems to be a good all round unit, and the memory prices for upgrading this baby are very good since it doesn't use EDO ram. Now to fork over the cash in coming months... - Michael -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] ONE.TEL dies...
Thanks for telling your friends about one.tel Grant - - - - snip ONE.TEL LIMITED 2001-05-30 ASX-SIGNAL-G HOMEX - Sydney + The Board of One.Tel Limited (One.Tel) has today announced the appointment of administrators, and has notified the ASX of a suspension of its shares. /snip -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Meeting Report - Friday, 25th May, 2001
Meeting Report - Friday, 25th May, 2001 [ My apologies for not having this out on Monday as I had said... I ah, wanted to get it just right. Or something. Yeah. :) ] The Usual Suspects Unfortunately, I was only available for a short time during QA this month (XFS rocks!), and wasn't able to find anyone who remembered enough of it to do a review (hardly surprising given the post-meeting hijinks). However, I have been alerted to Chris Collins' claim that he would shave his head if he couldn't fix the MIPS kernel bug that stops Qt/Embedded running on the Agenda by next meeting. The challenge is on. Agenda Hacking Catie Flick gave us overview of the Agenda, a new Linux and Free Software-based PDA. Without beating around the bush, Catie treated us to a cat /proc/cpuinfo; not something expect to see running on the average PDA... but this is not your average PDA! It has a fairly full complement of interfaces, including serial, parallel and IrDA, lots of memory, and a much nicer screen than the black and white Palms. It runs Linux 2.4.0. Alan Cox said that it was, Very neat, but a little slow at linux.conf.au in January. Catie showed us that recent kernel updates had fixed the speed issues to a large extent, and even some hardware operational issues. Try that on your Palm! One of the most important aspects of a PDA is its integration with your desktop PC. Not only does the Agenda support PPP connections and the soon-to-be-released QuickSync... You can run rsync! This puts the Agenda into the Useful Computer category according to Tridge. A whole host of applications and languages have been ported to the Agenda, but the most interesting projects are the ones our fellow SLUGgers have undertaken. Chris Collins made a port of Qt/Embedded to the Agenda, but has been thwarted by an XIP kernel bug. Given that the Agenda is based on the X Window System and FLTK, this may be quite a useful hack. Meanwhile, Catie has ported dadadodo (Jamie Zawinski's Markov chains plaything). There were many SLUGgers interested in purchasing the Agenda, both for hackery and the geek value of having a Linux palmtop. Awesome stuff. Catie's Agenda information can be found on her website at http://liedra.net/programming/agenda.php Jamie Honan's Review: Catie Flick's presentation on the Agenda was a great 'heads up'. Her honest assessment of the device being Linux-type-ideas- bouncing-not-for-consumer-use in no way detracted from the essentially interesting and potentially useful ideas behind it. Free Software Email Dream Team (aka Pants Free Email) Catie Flick's Review: Jeff Waugh gave a surprisingly fully dressed talk on console-based email clients (read: mutt), fetchmail, isync, procmail and other little nifty utilities. I am not a mutt fan, I use primarily TkRat and Pine; but I must say that after having heard this talk I am quite intrigued by its configurability and usefulness. Beginning with the configuration of fetchmail (POP) mail retrieval, Jeff followed on by intimately describing his mutt configuration along with various amusing crackmonkey exploits for Outlook users. Crazy! he noted. Procmail filter rules followed, showing some interesting commands that would pop up annoying little alert windows when certain mail came through. (He has also since patched a small exploit in that particular rule :-) Finally, he showed us a classy utility called isync, Like rsync for IMAP mailboxes! and discussed the finer points of maildir vs. mbox formats. Just wait till I get my hands on those config files; I'm wearing skirts. Jamie Honan's Review (cont'd from above): Jeff's mutt-evanglist mode was also inspiring. It wasn't just about mutt, however, and included procmail, mutt spam rules and the address database builder thingy (lbdb) which integrates well with both mutt and procmail. Jeff skipped down various amusing side streets, with amusing Outlook exploits, discussion on mbox and Maildirs, and of course, the exhortation on 'Mutt fingers'. There were some objections, with some merit, but overall very impressive. Jeff had those piercing 'Mona-Lisa looking at everybody at once eyes' when he pointed out Pine wasn't free. Ok, Jeff : Read my Headers! Jeff's various mail configuration files can be found on his website at http://perkypants.org/email-dream-team/ Dinner BR111 Massive turnout for dinner at The Amazing* House of Boiled Television Entrails this month. We managed to fill four large tables; quite a bit more than the usual two - a result of a well-timed wind up and high turnout at the meeting. A large group then trundled off to the Century, but found themselves liberating many Tux cousins from the bargain basement
Re: [SLUG] Meeting Report - Friday, 25th May, 2001
Jeff, modestly didn't include thanks or congratulations to the organisers and speakers. Well done. One other point (among a sea of smaller missed points) was Anthony Rumble's comment about the Enhanced Network Block Device, and whether others had tried this. (Note 'enhanced', the previous version had issues, which Gus o.a. pointed out). Any comments? Jamie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Anyone have a phone number for Agenda Computing?
There not responding to any of my emails and Im damned if I can find any number other than their Customer Service toll free number on their web site. -- Anthony Rumble - Managing Director EverythingLinux.com.au - The Alternative Operating System Store LinuxHelp.com.au - Support,Training,Development,Consulting Phone: 0500 500 368 Direct 02-9712-1799 Fax 02-9712-3977 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Anyone have a phone number for Agenda Computing?
On Thu, 31 May 2001, Anthony Rumble wrote: There not responding to any of my emails and Im damned if I can find any number other than their Customer Service toll free number on their web site. It's ok.. I found it... Google cached pages ROCKS -- Anthony Rumble - Managing Director EverythingLinux.com.au - The Alternative Operating System Store LinuxHelp.com.au - Support,Training,Development,Consulting Phone: 0500 500 368 Direct 02-9712-1799 Fax 02-9712-3977 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Meeting Report - Friday, 25th May, 2001
Jeff Waugh was once rumoured to have said: However, I have been alerted to Chris Collins' claim that he would shave his head if he couldn't fix the MIPS kernel bug that stops Qt/Embedded running on the Agenda by next meeting. The challenge is on. Oi! I said no such thing! And the agenda has been handed back to its owner, so I shaln't be doing much with them. On the other hand, I might be able to give a VERY funky 5 minute demo of some Qt/Embedded stuff I've just gotten working in the last 48 hours. :) C. -- --==-- Crossfire | This email was brought to you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | on 100% Recycled Electrons --==-- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Building a house of cards.
I know there's a few Mac evangelists hanging around here, so are any of you using one of the new iMac type USB keyboards on PC/Intel hardware under Linux. Googling has revealed that it works, (both Linux and Win98) but I'm hoping someone has direct knowledge (Craige?). Tips for key modmaps, XFree setup and the like. RTFM pointers, URL's, whatever. TIA Steve --- Your password must be at least 18770 characters and cannot repeat any of your previous 30689 passwords. Type a password that meets these requirements in both text boxes. - Windows 2000 attempts security bah! http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q276/3/04.ASP -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Fwd: RE: [SLUG] ping problems
At 17:44 30/05/2001, you wrote: Your info is a little open to interpretation... More info This is a lone linux box on a Windoze network, not a dialup connection (I'm saving that joy for home...) I can ping the machine from other computers inside and outside the network, can't ping anything (inside or outside the network) from the Linux box but I can traceroute for some reason. I can telnet into other machines from it with no problems. I cannot telnet into the Linux box. And no www. There is no firewall between the linux and the router... Hope the following info is useful... ipchains Chain inout (policy ACCEPT) Chain forward (policy ACCEPT) Chain output (policy ACCEPT) route Destination GatewayGenmask flags Metric Ref 202.129.128.0 * 255.255.224.0 U 0 0 127.0.0.0 *255.0.0.0 U 0 0 default zoogate.mbcomms 0.0.0.0 UG0 0 default zoogate.mbcomms 0.0.0.0 UG 1 0 Flags Use iface 0 0 eth0 00 lo 00 eth0 0 0 eth0 ifconfig eth0 Link encap ether HWaddr 00:50:BA etc inet addr: 202.129.129.55 Bcast 202.129.159.0 Mask:255.255.224.0 UP BROARDCAST RUNNING MULITCAST MTU: 1500 Metric: 1 RX packets 39000 err 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 TX packets 650 err 249 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0 txqueuelen:100 Inerupt 11 Base address: 0x6000 The output of netstat -r and ifconfig (when you are connected to the net) would probably be helpful. Cheers, Marty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] re: linux and laptops
The internal modem is now supported... IBM released some drivers :) go
search for it. I can't recall URL but a search will find it on IBM :P
On Thu, 31 May 2001, DaZZa wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Michael F. wrote:
It appears after some much needed hunting around. Thanks to the slug
archives and also to www.linux-laptop.net, and also some other sites.
I think I have settled on the IBM Thinkpad 600E, it seems to be a good all
round unit, and the memory prices for upgrading this baby are very good
since it doesn't use EDO ram.
The only thing you should remember about the 600E is that you canNOT use
the internal modem {it's a Winmodem}, and that unless things have changed
radically {which is possible} the sound won't work either.
Other than that, I'm perfectly happy with my 600E dual booting between
'Doze and Linux.
DaZZa
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Re: [SLUG] re: linux and laptops
GPL'd drivers for IBM Thinkpad 600E onboard modem..
http://oss.software.ibm.com/developer/opensource/linux/projects/mwave/
On Thu, 31 May 2001, DaZZa wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Michael F. wrote:
It appears after some much needed hunting around. Thanks to the slug
archives and also to www.linux-laptop.net, and also some other sites.
I think I have settled on the IBM Thinkpad 600E, it seems to be a good all
round unit, and the memory prices for upgrading this baby are very good
since it doesn't use EDO ram.
The only thing you should remember about the 600E is that you canNOT use
the internal modem {it's a Winmodem}, and that unless things have changed
radically {which is possible} the sound won't work either.
Other than that, I'm perfectly happy with my 600E dual booting between
'Doze and Linux.
DaZZa
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Re: [SLUG] OT - Copy of Solaris 8 wanted
I think you might find that there is a problem with the browser you are using to download the iso's. I think it was a specific version of ie that corrupts files. Anyway might be an idea to try and download it with something like getright. I tried to contact Sun about obtaining a free copy of Solaris 8 and I grovelled about moving from M$ to Solaris, but am still waiting for a darn response...=;8^( Well, if suppose I gotta keep chasing them ay... Good luck getting anywhere, if you do succeed, can you let me know too, 'coz I'd like to 'play' with Solaris too. Cheers - John Z. - Original Message - From: Dave Fitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT - Copy of Solaris 8 wanted On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 10:27:53PM +1000, Jon Biddell wrote: If anyone has a copy that they'd be willing to loan me to burn, or would like to do same for me, I'd greatly appreciate it (CDs will be supplied, as well as a bottle of your favorite poison...:-)) [BTW your email address was set to [EMAIL PROTECTED]] I don't have the x86 version I'm afraid, only sparc, but as it's for your work you should be able to contact your local Sun reseller and do one of the following: a) buy a copy b) get a copy of the free version If you mumble stuff about moving to Solaris (especially from M$) they should be able to give you a copy. For a reseller, try Frontline (www.fit.com.au). Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Debian iso
Afternoon all Can anyone recommend a place to grab the debian iso(s) from? mirror.aarnet seems to just have an apt repository. And before you ask, the box will not be connected to the internet at the time it is installed, so I can't use the online install process Thanks Adam -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian iso
mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian-cd/ planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/ :) On Thu, 31 May 2001, Adam Kennedy wrote: Afternoon all Can anyone recommend a place to grab the debian iso(s) from? mirror.aarnet seems to just have an apt repository. And before you ask, the box will not be connected to the internet at the time it is installed, so I can't use the online install process Thanks Adam -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian iso
On Thu, 31 May 2001, Adam Kennedy wrote: Can anyone recommend a place to grab the debian iso(s) from? mirror.aarnet seems to just have an apt repository. And before you ask, the box will not be connected to the internet at the time it is installed, so I can't use the online install process either of the other places suggested, or http://ieee.uow.edu.au/pub/debian-cd/i386/ which is the UoW IEEE's mirror. We've also got Sparc binaries. Whether it's faster than planetmirror or aarnet is debatable - certainly, it's less loaded (typically only internal Uni transfers) but I think we have a smaller pipe. -- --- #include disclaimer.h Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian iso
I think mirror.aarnet will be fine gloat ncftp .../debian-cd/2.2_r3/i386 get binary-i386-1_NONUS.iso binary-i386-1_NONUS.iso: ETA: 33:52 196.60/646.63 MB 226.84 kB/s Note the capital B HDSL is pretty cool. Not bad for a non-uni connection :) /gloat Of course, unis are better :) Adam - Original Message - From: Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Some Linux Users Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian iso On Thu, 31 May 2001, Adam Kennedy wrote: Can anyone recommend a place to grab the debian iso(s) from? mirror.aarnet seems to just have an apt repository. And before you ask, the box will not be connected to the internet at the time it is installed, so I can't use the online install process either of the other places suggested, or http://ieee.uow.edu.au/pub/debian-cd/i386/ which is the UoW IEEE's mirror. We've also got Sparc binaries. Whether it's faster than planetmirror or aarnet is debatable - certainly, it's less loaded (typically only internal Uni transfers) but I think we have a smaller pipe. -- --- #include disclaimer.h Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
Daniel Whomes wrote:
Hi Folks,
Quick query to see if anyone knows any Linux Instructors (LPI Cert 1 2)
who are looking for work in Sydney?
Blunt reply: you are an agency: FO. Your bretheren have been here
before.
Polite reply since this is a linux job; this sort of request can be
posted on http://www.linux.org.au/jobs and don't bother us again.
Don't you think that all the people who were interested would have
already seen it from their subscription to jobnet where is has been
posted numerous times in the past fortnight.?
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Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
Daniel Whomes wrote:
Terry,
Drop the 'God' complex. Those days are gone. In the market today, candidates
are sometimes, believe it or not, 'happy' that I might be trying my hardest
to contact them in regards to a new job. I know clients appreciate these
efforts when they are desparate to fill a position. So thanks for the
website, but the comments aren't needed and are childish.
sigh!/rofl
Yes, I am CC'ing your private reply to the Slug list.
Daniel
It has nothing to do with GOD or children. Agencies are NOT welcome on
the Slug list - end of story.
You are basically asking people to pay for receiving advertising from
you. You are advertising to make money for yourself. I object to you
taking money out of my pocket so you can put money in your pocket. Yes,
people have to pay to receive that spam that you sent.
You are right, the days are gone when people meakly accepted work
offered to them. They know the blood, sweat and tears that they have had
to do to build up a competitive set of skills in a changing marketplace
where company loyalty is just a hollow phrase.
I CC'd your private email to the Slug list bcause of your self-righteous
attitude that you have the authority to spam the Slug list whilst
seeking to line your pockets. I know clients appreciate these efforts
when they are desparate to fill a position
A) If someone (not your client) is desperate to find a position, don't
you think they would have already sent you their CV? Although I doubt
that any person on this list will now send you their resume. Linux
skilled people are not stupid.
B) All you have done is call into question your own ethics and the
ethics of AustCorp Recruitment and that is why I have CC'd this to the
Slug list. You can bet your bottom dollar that your client will now
know of your unethical approach. We would like to know if your client
supports this approach because it would call into question their own
ethics.
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RE: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
Terry,
Thanks for the brave move of 'cc'ing the slug list with my email. Very big
of you. Strange that you insinuate that Linux people are stupid. I did not.
I am merely trying to find a candidate for my client. Yes I will make a
small profit from placing someone with the client, but I am not working for
free. In very dicey marketplace I am merely asked a polite question to see
if anyone knows of a Linux Instructor looking for work in the Sydney area.
There was no need for the comments you made to me in the previous email
before mine, which I notice you weren't brave enough to leave on.
If anyone on the slug list has had their time wasted byt these emails, I
apologise on my part. That was not my intention.
Regards,
Daniel Whomes
AustCorp Recruitment Pty Ltd
Tel: ++61 2 8920 8483
Fax: ++61 2 8920 9559
0414 757 227
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 31 May 2001 2:34 PM
To: Daniel Whomes
Cc: Slug List
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
Daniel Whomes wrote:
Terry,
Drop the 'God' complex. Those days are gone. In the market today,
candidates
are sometimes, believe it or not, 'happy' that I might be trying my
hardest
to contact them in regards to a new job. I know clients appreciate these
efforts when they are desparate to fill a position. So thanks for the
website, but the comments aren't needed and are childish.
sigh!/rofl
Yes, I am CC'ing your private reply to the Slug list.
Daniel
It has nothing to do with GOD or children. Agencies are NOT welcome on
the Slug list - end of story.
You are basically asking people to pay for receiving advertising from
you. You are advertising to make money for yourself. I object to you
taking money out of my pocket so you can put money in your pocket. Yes,
people have to pay to receive that spam that you sent.
You are right, the days are gone when people meakly accepted work
offered to them. They know the blood, sweat and tears that they have had
to do to build up a competitive set of skills in a changing marketplace
where company loyalty is just a hollow phrase.
I CC'd your private email to the Slug list bcause of your self-righteous
attitude that you have the authority to spam the Slug list whilst
seeking to line your pockets. I know clients appreciate these efforts
when they are desparate to fill a position
A) If someone (not your client) is desperate to find a position, don't
you think they would have already sent you their CV? Although I doubt
that any person on this list will now send you their resume. Linux
skilled people are not stupid.
B) All you have done is call into question your own ethics and the
ethics of AustCorp Recruitment and that is why I have CC'd this to the
Slug list. You can bet your bottom dollar that your client will now
know of your unethical approach. We would like to know if your client
supports this approach because it would call into question their own
ethics.
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Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
Daniel Whomes was once rumoured to have said: Hi Folks, Quick query to see if anyone knows any Linux Instructors (LPI Cert 1 2) who are looking for work in Sydney? As a member of the Sydney Linux Users Group Committee, I will reenforce Terry's statement that professional solicitation on this list is generally not welcome. Linux Australia (http://www.linux.org.au/) have a recruitment database which is suitable for this purpose. HAND. C. -- --==-- Crossfire | This email was brought to you [EMAIL PROTECTED] | on 100% Recycled Electrons --==-- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] 2600 Australia Seminar Series - Saturday June 9th, 2001
You are invited to the 2600 Australia Seminar Series, to be held in Sydney on Saturday, 9th June (approx one week from today). Sessions begin at 1pm and run till approximately 5pm. Entry is $10, payable at the door. Speakers this month include: * Satyricon + Technion: Tripwire - filesystem integrity IDS Satyricon will speak about the uses and abuses of the Tripwire filesystem integrity IDS. Technion will act as the attacker where required. * Phunki: Stephanie: Hardening OpenBSD For Multiuser Environments Phunki will speak about the porting of the OpenBSD Trusted Path Execution patches originally released in Phrack 54 to OpenBSD 2.8/2.9, covering what changes to the system have been made in the intervening years as well as what other mechanisms may be used to harden OpenBSD in multiuser environments such as the additional privacy patches. * Rival: An overview of data recovery techniques Rival will describe, demonstrate and analyse open source data recovery and forensic analysis tools. Location: - University of Technology, Building 6 on Harris Street (near Central Station), room 6.4.17 (Building 6, Level 4, Room 17). Open from Midday onwards, seminars begin at 1pm. $10 entry fee, bookings for 5 people not required. We have prepared a new map showing the exact location of the seminars relative to Central Station and The Crystal Palace (2600 Sydney meeting location, may be familiar to some). Once you're on Harris Street (please print the map and refer to it), you'll need to walk up a large set of stairs into Building 6. At the top of the stairs, turn left and walk towards a set of automatic doors. As you enter the doors, turn right and the room is at the end of the corridoor. Alternately, follow the A3-sized signs... Map URL: http://www.2600.org.au/seminars/seminar-map.gif Additional Notes: - * Multimedia materials from previous months are available at: http://www.2600.org.au/seminars/archive.html * Broadly, the seminars will always be in three parts: an introductory session, an intermediate session (may include hardware pull-apart, demonstration) and an advanced session. For more information about the 2600 Seminar Series, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] University students, software developers, etc working on innovative projects or researching other topics wishing to speak for approx 40-60 minutes are invited to contact us regarding future sessions at the same address. Please feel free to forward this invitation to friends, colleagues that may be interested in these or future 2600 Australia Seminar Series events. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 01:40:03PM +1000, Daniel Whomes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi Folks, Quick query to see if anyone knows any Linux Instructors (LPI Cert 1 2) who are looking for work in Sydney? As a list member of this list I can only second what Terry already stated: DO NOT use this list for YOUR advertising. Why? Simple: If this would be allowed the list will be cluttered with it and would defeats the lists purpose (LINUX RELATED TECHNICAL QUESTIONS). So use *OTHER* lists which purpose is job advertising. jobst -- Why are a wise man and a wise guy opposites? |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
Del wrote:
..snip...
OK so as a member of SLUG I have a problem with this. Although I don't
want to see buckets of spam on the SLUG list, I think that Linux jobs
do belong here, regardless of where they come from.
I've posted job ads here (years ago, non-professional, I was looking for
someone to take over a role I had) and that was met with enthusiasm because
at the time there weren't many Linux jobs out there. Nowadays there are
more of them, so have people become a bit more picky about what jobs do and
do not get placed here?
Basically, the guidelines are; Good sluggers can post jobs that they
seeking to fulfill here. Please include a full description and $. We
have seen a few of these this year and they are welcome.
So your example has no problem and is still the case.. If you work
somewhere and they need a linux person, please let sluggers know.
What we don't want is agencies for various reasons like;
we never get the full picture,
not all the jobs really exist,
not many agency personel know what linux is and find it hard to
separate out an NT job that might touch on linux from a real linux,
they are basically making money out of spamming the slug list,
we would get multiple posts for the same position,
we are the Sydney Linux users group and melbourne, darwin, etc jobs
are not welcome,
etc.
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Re: [SLUG] Building a house of cards.
Steven, wish I did :( Unfortunately my Mac inventory consists only of Beige G3's. Ask me in a month or so when I get my hands on a Titanium and an iBook. :) Thus spake Steven downing ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), on 0: I know there's a few Mac evangelists hanging around here, so are any of you using one of the new iMac type USB keyboards on PC/Intel hardware under Linux. Googling has revealed that it works, (both Linux and Win98) but I'm hoping someone has direct knowledge (Craige?). Tips for key modmaps, XFree setup and the like. RTFM pointers, URL's, whatever. -- Cheers, Craige. PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 03:41:23PM +1000, Del wrote: Linux Australia (http://www.linux.org.au/) have a recruitment database which is suitable for this purpose. I've seen that, but it's rather out of the mind's eye. If someone needs a Linux person in a hurry then I can't see what's wrong with a post here. . Can we perhaps restrict the format ... perhaps make the poster put the ad onto linux.org.au and then just post a 2 liner with the URL here? That would be an excellent idea and a possible compromise. I have placed an ad myself on Linux Aust last year but at the time also mentioned on this list that I was looking for a programmer (and a got a really good SLUG one too). Thats why I would not like to see ads totally banned. They have a place. There are prob many young programmers here that may get their first nibble at some commercial work and get experience by seeing an ad here. So I would support a 2 liner pointing to a URL at Linux Aust or some other place. Mike -- You definitely intend to start living sometime soon. Michael Lake, University of Technology, Sydney Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 02 9514 1724 Fx: 02 9514 1628 Home: http://www.speleonics.com.au Linux enthusiast, active caver and interested in anything technical. *** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
On Thu, 31 May 2001, Mike Lake wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 03:41:23PM +1000, Del wrote: Linux Australia (http://www.linux.org.au/) have a recruitment database which is suitable for this purpose. I've seen that, but it's rather out of the mind's eye. If someone needs a Linux person in a hurry then I can't see what's wrong with a post here. . Can we perhaps restrict the format ... perhaps make the poster put the ad onto linux.org.au and then just post a 2 liner with the URL here? That would be an excellent idea and a possible compromise. I have placed an ad myself on Linux Aust last year but at the time also mentioned on this list that I was looking for a programmer (and a got a really good SLUG one too). Thats why I would not like to see ads totally banned. They have a place. snip There are prob many young programmers here that may get their first nibble at some commercial work and get experience by seeing an ad here. So I would support a 2 liner pointing to a URL at Linux Aust or some other place. I think that any young programmer looking for their first nibble at commercial work would be clueful enough to subscribe themselves to lists more appropriate for finding these jobs. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
Sorry for adding to the thread, but do we really need a dozen people to reply to these to tell them it's not appropriate. Reply via private mail or just ignore it, that way we get spammed once instead of a dozen times. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
