Re: [SLUG] Getting a bt878 to work with xawtv

2001-06-19 Thread Terry Collins

Jeff Waugh wrote:
 
 quote who=Terry Collins
 
  Just checking. CARDLIST is from a debian distro?
 
 No, it's from the standard kernel tarballs; ought to be in kernel source
 packages for your distro too.

Nope, not there under RH7.0 and Suse6.4. All the files are cicra
1998/99. If you want to go beyond the basic/early 20 cards, then you
have to go into bttv.c (Metzlers prog of 1998) and add entries to
tvcards, which is what I had to do when I installed my Askey/Dynalink
card some time ago.



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Re: [SLUG] Getting a bt878 to work with xawtv

2001-06-19 Thread Jeff Waugh

quote who=Terry Collins

 Nope, not there under RH7.0 and Suse6.4. All the files are cicra
 1998/99.

Ah. You might want to read my X-Operating-System header. That'd be it. :)

[ ie. Linux 2.4 ]

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[SLUG] HP Superceeded Server Boxes

2001-06-19 Thread Doug

(Sorry for the commercial content but this would be excellent for a reliable 
server)
There are some Superceeded HP Servers available at APCD. We are interested in 
arranging a bulk purchase.

The machines on offer are HP Servers, dual processor capable, with 64M 
ECC memory, 24x CDD, various single processor refer 
 http://www.apcd.com.au    under HP Specials.
I am interested in the P11/350 boxes, as easiest to get second processor. I 
can buy these wholesale so disregard prices,  my brother lives close  wants 
1 himself, so will negotiate further. The HP site has more info on these
 http://www.apcd.com.au/cgi-bin/specials.pl?state=HP


 Contact me if any interest.
Regards Doug

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Re: [SLUG] script - modem

2001-06-19 Thread Anand Kumria

On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 10:42:47AM +0800, Mike Holland wrote:
 
  i am writing a script that needs to use a modem to dial a particular
  number then hang up without the call being answered.
 
 The chat(8) (in PPP package on redhat) does exactly that sort of thing.
 
  except on this box because it has to kick portslave off the modem, and
 
 Kick off? Shouldnt they be using lock files to share access?
 
 Easist way is to use a dial-out program like pppd to reset the
 modem, and handle lockfiles. Use a chat(8) script to do the work, and
 return an error code so the dialout program then quits.
 
  if i invoke minicom after disabling portslave, it works and after exiting
  it so do the echo commands. there is something minicom is doing to
  reinitialise the modem. anyone know what?
 
 See also stty if you want to do this low-level control.
 Also, you can tell the modem ATZ to reset echoing, etc.

Another suggestion would be (g)kermit - which gives you access
to all that but is also scriptable.

Anand

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Re: [SLUG] Why does my executable not well.....Execute!

2001-06-19 Thread Terry Collins

Peter Rundle wrote:

..snip

 Sure I can upgrade to a later package of xsnow but I have a number of
 other binaries showing this symptom and I don't have access to the source
 for them nor an upgrade version. I assume that it some glibc vs libc thing.

2c - Sometimes I find this problem occurs because the package/app is
actually trying to call something else that doesn't exist or is not in
the path.

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Re: [SLUG] Why does my executable not well.....Execute!

2001-06-19 Thread enterfornone

 Sure I can upgrade to a later package of xsnow but I have a number of
 other binaries showing this symptom and I don't have access to the source
 for them nor an upgrade version. I assume that it some glibc vs libc
thing.

ldd xsnow should give you the answer to that


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Re: [SLUG] Why does my executable not well.....Execute!

2001-06-19 Thread Peter Rundle

 ldd xsnow should give you the answer to that


On Rh7.1

  $ ldd `which xsnow`
  /usr/bin/ldd: /usr/X11R6/bin/xsnow: No such file or directory


On Rh6.2

   $ ldd `which xsnow`
   libXext.so.6 = /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x40014000)
   libX11.so.6 = /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x4001e000)
   libm.so.5 = /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libm.so.5 (0x400b)
   libc.so.5 = /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libc.so.5 (0x400b8000)

Hmmm, ok so we look on the rh7.1 install and find libXext.so.6 and
libX11.so.6 but libm.so.5 and libc.so.5 are missing. I thought that
Linux had this library version thing under control. Like the binary
looks for libm.so not libm.so.5. What's going on Linux this is looking
like a bad case of windows ddl hell. So I grab the libs off the Rh6.2
box and stick them on the 7.1 box andNothing works :-(

Backward binary compatiblity between kernels Hah!

What's the time line look like for a stable version of Debian on
the 2.4 kernel?

rgds

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Re: [SLUG] Why does my executable not well.....Execute!

2001-06-19 Thread enterfornone

 Hmmm, ok so we look on the rh7.1 install and find libXext.so.6 and
 libX11.so.6 but libm.so.5 and libc.so.5 are missing. I thought that
 Linux had this library version thing under control. Like the binary
 looks for libm.so not libm.so.5. What's going on Linux this is looking
 like a bad case of windows ddl hell.

Not really, major numbers on libraries aren't compatible.  Linux, unlike
Windows, provides a way to tell the difference between versions.

 So I grab the libs off the Rh6.2
 box and stick them on the 7.1 box andNothing works :-(

You'll need to put the path to the new (old) libraries in /etc/ld.so.conf
and run ldconfig

You'll also (I think) need /lib/ld-linux.so.1

There should be an RPM that does all this for you, can't think of what it's
called tho



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Re: [SLUG] Why does my executable not well.....Execute!

2001-06-19 Thread Matthew Dalton

Peter Rundle wrote:
 
  ldd xsnow should give you the answer to that
 
 On Rh7.1
 
   $ ldd `which xsnow`
   /usr/bin/ldd: /usr/X11R6/bin/xsnow: No such file or directory

This output is strange. Usually ldd will report all of the libraries
required, with a (not found) appended if a library is missing.

What happens if you try 'strace xsnow'?

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Re: [SLUG] Why does my executable not well.....Execute!

2001-06-19 Thread Matthew Palmer

On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Peter Rundle wrote:

 On Rh7.1
 
   $ ldd `which xsnow`
   /usr/bin/ldd: /usr/X11R6/bin/xsnow: No such file or directory

I'm assuming the binary is actually there and whatnot.  If so, this error
should *not* happen.  If a library is not available, it should tell you, but
this is saying that file /usr/X11R6/bin/xsnow doesn't exist.  Curious.

 On Rh6.2
 
$ ldd `which xsnow`
libXext.so.6 = /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x40014000)
libX11.so.6 = /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x4001e000)
libm.so.5 = /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libm.so.5 (0x400b)
libc.so.5 = /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libc.so.5 (0x400b8000)

raises eyebrows Mmmmkay.  How old is RH 6.2 again?  I wouldn't have
thought they would have been so perverse as to build programs against libc5
after glibc2 came out, but you learn something new everyday.

 Hmmm, ok so we look on the rh7.1 install and find libXext.so.6 and
 libX11.so.6 but libm.so.5 and libc.so.5 are missing. I thought that
 Linux had this library version thing under control. Like the binary
 looks for libm.so not libm.so.5. What's going on Linux this is looking
 like a bad case of windows ddl hell.

Overexaggeration.  At least on Linux we can version our libraries so that
when the interface changes without the name changing things don't go quietly
haywire.

If you install the relevant libraries (properly, of course) it *will* work.

 So I grab the libs off the Rh6.2 box and stick them on the 7.1 box
 andNothing works :-(

Are they in an easily accessible location?  Do all the relevant symlinks
exist?  Have you run ldconfig and does ldconfig -p tell you that they're
available?  Also, it may be that ldd is screwing you over, rather than the
libraries themselves.

 Backward binary compatiblity between kernels Hah!

Yes, that is a conscious decision on the part of the Kernel Cabal (there is
no cabal (tm)) to ensure that the kernel stays free of cruft.  It would be
a serious problem if we didn't have source code to basically everything,
allowing *any* member of the user community (assuming sufficient Clue) to
update any program and rebuild for the new version.

 What's the time line look like for a stable version of Debian on
 the 2.4 kernel?

The future... is now.

There have been a set of updated kernel-related packages for Potato for some
time.  Point your sources.list at them and you're away.

No, I don't know the URL.  Woody is good enough for me (and my users).


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Re: [SLUG] Why does my executable not well.....Execute!

2001-06-19 Thread enterfornone

 On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Peter Rundle wrote:

  On Rh7.1
 
$ ldd `which xsnow`
/usr/bin/ldd: /usr/X11R6/bin/xsnow: No such file or directory

 I'm assuming the binary is actually there and whatnot.  If so, this error
 should *not* happen.  If a library is not available, it should tell you,
but
 this is saying that file /usr/X11R6/bin/xsnow doesn't exist.  Curious.

I'm not certain, but I think you get this if (whatever version of)
ld-linux.so is missing.


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Re: [SLUG] script - modem

2001-06-19 Thread martin

 The chat(8) (in PPP package on redhat) does exactly that sort of thing.

i'll have a look.

 Kick off? Shouldnt they be using lock files to share access?

portslave is bound by init, so you need to remove it from inittab and
restart init to free up the modem...

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Re: [SLUG] Why does my executable not well.....Execute!

2001-06-19 Thread Matthew Palmer

On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, enterfornone wrote:

   On Rh7.1
  
 $ ldd `which xsnow`
 /usr/bin/ldd: /usr/X11R6/bin/xsnow: No such file or directory
 
  I'm assuming the binary is actually there and whatnot.  If so, this error
  should *not* happen.  If a library is not available, it should tell you,
 but
  this is saying that file /usr/X11R6/bin/xsnow doesn't exist.  Curious.
 
 I'm not certain, but I think you get this if (whatever version of)
 ld-linux.so is missing.

Hmm.  Disasterously incorrect error message.  Definite bug if so, but I
wouldn't put it past it.  Worth checking, although I'm not about to delete
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 to test it.  g  And I sure as $BADPLACE don't have any
libc5 binaries left on this system.


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Re: [SLUG] Why does my executable not well.....Execute!

2001-06-19 Thread Peter Rundle

 What happens if you try 'strace xsnow'?
   

   $ strace xsnow
   execve(/usr/X11R6/bin/xsnow, [xsnow], [/* 28 vars */]) = 0
   strace: exec: No such file or directory

I'm now way down the deep end of the pool with this, so the above
doesn't mean anything to me.

Thanks

Pete

P.S I'd be willing to bet that if anyone with a redhat 7.1 system
downloads and installs xsnow-1.39-2 rpm they'll see exactly the
same problem. I'm really trying to solve this problem so that other
older executables that I have (but no source) can run.




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Re: [SLUG] script - modem

2001-06-19 Thread Mike Holland

On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Kick off? Shouldnt they be using lock files to share access?
 
 portslave is bound by init, so you need to remove it from inittab and
 restart init to free up the modem...

IIRC, portslave listens like getty for incoming calls and does radius
authentication. Is that close?   It should respect /var/lock/LCK..modem
type locks, to allow it to be used for outgoing calls.


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[SLUG] getting a DDS3 drive to work under RedHat7.0 with an AHA7850

2001-06-19 Thread Graeme Robinson

Trying to keep it brief, comments on this issue appreciated:

problem:

I can't get a new tape drive working on a redhat 7.0 system
bash-2.04$ sudo /bin/mt -f /dev/nst0 tell
Password:
/dev/nst0: No such device

dmesg reports
scsi : 0 hosts.
scsi : detected total.

details:
- scsi host is an adaptec AHA7850 and DDS3 drive is a HP C1537A - both are 
expressly supported by redhat or claim to be by the manufacturer (having 
trouble getting confirmation for any HP device on redhat's hcl but that' 
another issue).
- my redhat system is an e-smith server gateway.

what I've tried:
- booting with Toms Root Boot and running dmesg both the host and drive are 
correctly identified.
- also tried removing all other pci hardware and putting the card in 
different slots, more out of desire for thoroughness than any hope that it 
would change anything (afterall if there was a conflict I presume that Toms 
wouldn't see it either)
- changing scsi ID of the device.

Are there any other diagnostics I can try to confirm my theory that the 
adaptec host isn't being loaded? Is there anyway to try and load manually?

Gratefully,
Graeme.



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Re: [SLUG] getting a DDS3 drive to work under RedHat7.0 with an AHA7850

2001-06-19 Thread Bevan Broun

on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 01:11:22PM +1000, Graeme Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are there any other diagnostics I can try to confirm my theory that the 
 adaptec host isn't being loaded? Is there anyway to try and load manually?

Do you have a stock kernel or have you built your own?
You could build your kernel and make sure the card's driver and the st driver
are included.

BB

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Re: [SLUG] getting a DDS3 drive to work under RedHat7.0 with an AHA7850

2001-06-19 Thread John Ferlito

On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 01:11:22PM +1000, Graeme Robinson wrote:
 Trying to keep it brief, comments on this issue appreciated:
 
 problem:
 
 I can't get a new tape drive working on a redhat 7.0 system
 bash-2.04$ sudo /bin/mt -f /dev/nst0 tell
 Password:
 /dev/nst0: No such device
 
If you run the commands below you should get something similar to the
displayed output

# ls -l /dev/nst0
crw-rw1 root tape   9, 128 Jul  6  2000 /dev/nst0
#cat /proc/scsi/scsi
Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 06 Lun: 00
  Vendor: WangDAT  Model: Model 3400DX Rev: 1.5a
  Type:   Sequential-AccessANSI SCSI revision: 02

#cat /proc/devices
Character devices:
snip
  9 st
snip

If you have any of those missing than that's a place ti start

the /dev/nst0 makes sure the device is setup with righ major and minor
numbers

/proc/scsi/scsi checks the device is being recognised by the linux scsi
device driver

/proc/devices checks that you have tape support compiled in to the
kernel

maybe you need to load a module

at a guess try insmod st or it might be scsi-tape or something. Can;t
remember off the top of my head. Have a poke around in /lib/modules


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Re: [SLUG] Why does my executable not well.....Execute!

2001-06-19 Thread Peter Hardy

...and then Matthew Dalton said:
 Peter Rundle wrote:
  
   ldd xsnow should give you the answer to that
  
  On Rh7.1
  
$ ldd `which xsnow`
/usr/bin/ldd: /usr/X11R6/bin/xsnow: No such file or directory
 
 This output is strange. Usually ldd will report all of the libraries
 required, with a (not found) appended if a library is missing.
 
 What happens if you try 'strace xsnow'?

Also try ls -l /usr/X11R6/bin/xsnow.  The above error is consistent with a
dangling symlink.

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Re: [SLUG] Why does my executable [SOLUTION]

2001-06-19 Thread Peter Rundle

Solved it :-),

thanks for all the pointers everyone.

It's a libc5 dynamically linked excutable, I grabbed
ld.so-1.9.5-13.i386.rpm and libc-5.3.12-31.i386.rpm
from the RH62 distro installed them and now we get,

$ xsnow
Xsnow-1.39, December 21th 1994 by Rick Jansen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])


Cheers

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Re: [SLUG] Why does my executable not well.....Execute!

2001-06-19 Thread Greg Hosler


On 20-Jun-01 enterfornone wrote:
 Hmmm, ok so we look on the rh7.1 install and find libXext.so.6 and
 libX11.so.6 but libm.so.5 and libc.so.5 are missing. I thought that
 Linux had this library version thing under control. Like the binary
 looks for libm.so not libm.so.5. What's going on Linux this is looking
 like a bad case of windows ddl hell.
 
 Not really, major numbers on libraries aren't compatible.  Linux, unlike
 Windows, provides a way to tell the difference between versions.
 
 So I grab the libs off the Rh6.2
 box and stick them on the 7.1 box andNothing works :-(
 
 You'll need to put the path to the new (old) libraries in /etc/ld.so.conf
 and run ldconfig
 
 You'll also (I think) need /lib/ld-linux.so.1

If you locate this (and possibly the older compatibility libraries), you
might find yourself in luck.

-G

 There should be an RPM that does all this for you, can't think of what it's
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Re: [SLUG] Why does my executable not well.....Execute!

2001-06-19 Thread Greg Hosler


On 20-Jun-01 Peter Rundle wrote:
 ldd xsnow should give you the answer to that
 
 
 On Rh7.1
 
   $ ldd `which xsnow`
   /usr/bin/ldd: /usr/X11R6/bin/xsnow: No such file or directory
 
 
 On Rh6.2
 
$ ldd `which xsnow`
libXext.so.6 = /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x40014000)
libX11.so.6 = /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x4001e000)
libm.so.5 = /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libm.so.5 (0x400b)
libc.so.5 = /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libc.so.5 (0x400b8000)

your xsnow is linked with some very old libc (as in pre-glibc) libraries.

Uou probably do not have these comparibility libraries on your new system.

As I recall, they were on the RH 6.x systems ONLY as compatibility libraries
(which is to say that libc is _way_ old). I think that any current distribution
be it RH, SUSE, Debian, or whatever else, will also gibe you this same problem.

You need to locate the source rpm, and recompile this proggy. Once you
have the source rpm it's real easy.

rpm -i name.src.rpm
cd /usr/src/redhat/SPECS
ls (to see what the spec file name is).
rpm -bb spec file.spec
rpm -i /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/name.rpm

(more or less).

 Hmmm, ok so we look on the rh7.1 install and find libXext.so.6 and
 libX11.so.6 but libm.so.5 and libc.so.5 are missing. I thought that
 Linux had this library version thing under control. Like the binary
 looks for libm.so not libm.so.5. What's going on Linux this is looking
 like a bad case of windows ddl hell.

you've got _really_ really old exectables. You'll probably have a difficult
time getting them running on any current distro.

The fact that ldd says NSF means that it is refusing to recognize the
executable as a legitamite executable. (if this maybe an a.out, as opposed to
modern ELF executable ?)

 So I grab the libs off the Rh6.2
 box and stick them on the 7.1 box andNothing works :-(
 
 Backward binary compatiblity between kernels Hah!
 
 What's the time line look like for a stable version of Debian on
 the 2.4 kernel?

I'll guarantee that that won't solve the  problem you are seeing with the
executables you are seeing it with.

best rgds,

-Greg


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Re: [SLUG] HP Superceeded Server Boxes

2001-06-19 Thread Peter Rundle

 Be aware that if you want to increase the memory on these boxes you _must_
 use HP sourced RAM.


Yep, I think that's right. Can't be sure but I thinks this is a nasty worthy
of MS themselves. Me thinks that the bios queries the ram and when it doesn't
say HP Dimm the bios says get lost, I don't think there is any technical
reason.

They do support dual cpu's (this machine is running dual PIII 500Mhz.)
I put a couple of 600's in once but it wasn't really happy, (linux booted
and seemed fine but my VMware NT guest went spastic (vmware linux guest
was fine so figure that one out!)

Note that the E60 is a scsi based systems. So for $1300 that's not bad if
the thing is in good nick. Other than that I can say that my E60 has been
running RH62 happily for donkeys now.

HTH

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Re: [SLUG] Why does my executable [SOLUTION]

2001-06-19 Thread chesty

On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 02:54:51PM +1000, Peter Rundle wrote:
 Solved it :-),

Jolly good.

On a slightly related topic, see if this trick works for you,
I can't remember where I read about it:

starburst:~# /usr/bin/xsnow
Xsnow-1.41, December 16th 2000 by Rick Jansen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
WWW: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/Xsnow/

starburst:~# chmod -x /usr/bin/xsnow 
starburst:~# logout
chesty@starburst:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/xsnow 
-rw-r--r--1 root root87664 Apr 14 15:11 /usr/bin/xsnow
chesty@starburst:~$ /usr/bin/xsnow
bash: /usr/bin/xsnow: Permission denied
chesty@starburst:~$ /lib/ld-linux.so.2 /usr/bin/xsnow 
Xsnow-1.41, December 16th 2000 by Rick Jansen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
WWW: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/Xsnow/

Works on partitions that have been mounted noexec as well.
I don't know what my point is, I just find it interesting.

(replace ld-linux.so.2 with ld-linux.so.1 for libc5, I haven't
tested to see if it works with ld-linux.so.1, but I don't see
why it wouldn't)

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Re: [SLUG] Why does my executable [SOLUTION]

2001-06-19 Thread Jeff Waugh

quote who=chesty

 chesty@starburst:~$ /lib/ld-linux.so.2 /usr/bin/xsnow 
 Xsnow-1.41, December 16th 2000 by Rick Jansen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 WWW: http://www.euronet.nl/~rja/Xsnow/

Which just goes to show that on *any* secure machine, you should *always*
remove ld-linux.so.2!

[ Dude, where's my crack pipe? ]

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[SLUG] serial connection question

2001-06-19 Thread Rob B

How do I open a serial connection?

I have another system hooked up to the serial port of my Linux box.  This 
other system has a serial console only, like a Sun box.  How can I see what 
is being echoed out the serial port from the console of my Linux box?  The 
Linux box is console only, no X.

Cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] Why does my executable [SOLUTION]

2001-06-19 Thread Peter Rundle

 On a slightly related topic, see if this trick works for you,


Nah -- segmentation fault core dump. Not surprising really I guess
as the libc5 install is dodgy. I'll install the latest xsnow
rpm and try with ld-linux.so.2 later ;-)

Pete




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[SLUG] File system on CD

2001-06-19 Thread Peter McCarthy

Howdy

Just wondering if anyone out their has managed to make their Linux box truly
bullet proof by placing the file system onto a CD.
I know it might make it a bit inflexable, but I was thinking it must be a great
way to make your box hack proof.
Or is this idea just plain stupid ?

Thanx

PMc


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