Re: [SLUG] two network cards again...
I don't think I did run update-modules...I will try that cheers, Adam. On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 16:08, Tom Massey wrote: * Adam Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-02 14:23]: Is this correct? If so is there anything else I should be doing to get this working?? Looks right to me. Did you remember to run update-modules? I assume the ne module is compiled and in the right place? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Software Query.
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 02:49:09PM +1000, Bill Bennett wrote: Two problems, actually. 2) A friend has some software from, I think, SoundForge, whereby he can plug in his turntable to his computer and store an analogue file for subsequent (a) converting to digital and (b) editing---meaning that BLOODY piano pedal squeak that ruins any enjoyment of a certain jazz LP could be edited out. (Alright, apologies for introducing coarse and unseemly language into SLUG's driven snow. I was overcome at the prospect of a resurrection.) Unfortunately, the friend is a follower, if reluctantly, of Microsoft. He couldn't tell me whether there's analogous software for Linux. Has anyone any experience of this type of software? Gnome Wave Cleaner is designed for just this, it contains a few tools for cleaning up recordings off vinyl: http://www.redhawk.org/gwc.html for general editing, I should probably recommend sweep: http://sweep.sourceforge.net/ (which I'll be demoing at this month's slug meeting :) Conrad. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] tcpdump question
nope, means udp packet from left ip to right ip, src port 2556, dst 2556, size 31. You'll figure out when you have fragments, the output is obvious. JeF On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 09:04:24PM +1000, Bernhard Lüder wrote: Hi, does this line from tcpdump mean I have udp fragmentation? Or if not what does it mean? 20:59:08.874529 192.168.xxx.xxx.2556 192.168.xxx.xxx.2556: udp 31 [tos 0xe0] Bernhard -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- - Jean-Francois Dive -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is no such thing as randomness. Only order of infinite complexity. - _The Holographic Universe_, Michael Talbot -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] wp8 linux for a first timer
On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 07:59:03PM +1000, Peter Harries wrote: Douglas Thanks for the reply, unfortunately I am unable to translate - what is xpm4.7 and what do I do with it? Peter, On my Debian system, when I run: carrot# apt-cache search xpm4.7 I get: xpm4.7 - the X PixMap library, compiled with libc5 Your system should have a similar method of finding out what packages are available. E.g., rpm -some_arcane_set_of_options xpm4.7. I just looked over my notes from when I last had the same problem you described and noticed that someone suggested I install xpm4g as well. Someone else (Alan Shutko) said that xlib6 is needed as well as libc5. From what I remember, I just ran 'apt-get install xpm4g' and 'apt-get install xpm4.7' and wp8 then installed without any further problems. Sorry I can't be more explicit as I have no experience with the rpm- based distros. A google search or a visit to wpuniverse.com (or is it .org?) may be needed if the above is no help. Hooroo, Doug. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] apache and apache-ssl
what's the deal with apache and apache-ssl in debian woody? are you supposed to install and run both versions of apache? seems a bit odd to mewhy not one listening on both ports and if it's port 443 do the ssl stuff?? I want ssl for squirrelmail/webmail so the passwds are not plain text so installed both but it always only hits the normal apache. So howsitsposedtowork? Ta, Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] apache and apache-ssl
quote who=David Fitch what's the deal with apache and apache-ssl in debian woody? are you supposed to install and run both versions of apache? seems a bit odd to mewhy not one listening on both ports and if it's port 443 do the ssl stuff?? Yes, you use a separate package... the actual apache vs apache-ssl binaries are different beasties. I want ssl for squirrelmail/webmail so the passwds are not plain text so installed both but it always only hits the normal apache. Um... presumably you're using a https URL? Do you mean that it's redirecting you to the http address? Anything in the logfiles? Cheers, J. -- Jan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Open Source Software: Free as in Free Speech, not Free Beer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] apache and apache-ssl
Is this new? last time i installed SSL it was one binary (on RH 7.2) I have to do this again soon. It would be nice to know if there are new issues. On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Jan Schmidt wrote: quote who=David Fitch what's the deal with apache and apache-ssl in debian woody? are you supposed to install and run both versions of apache? seems a bit odd to mewhy not one listening on both ports and if it's port 443 do the ssl stuff?? Yes, you use a separate package... the actual apache vs apache-ssl binaries are different beasties. I want ssl for squirrelmail/webmail so the passwds are not plain text so installed both but it always only hits the normal apache. Um... presumably you're using a https URL? Do you mean that it's redirecting you to the http address? Anything in the logfiles? Cheers, J. -- Jan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Open Source Software: Free as in Free Speech, not Free Beer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] RPM complaints while trying to install XFree86 4.2.0
On 1 Sep, Martin wrote: $author = [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; But when I try to install them I get this: error: failed dependencies: kernel-drm = 4.2.0 is needed by XFree86-4.2.0-52.01 XFree86 = 4.2.0-3.1 conflicts with XFree86-base-fonts-4.2.0-52.01 My real question is, what does the XFree86 error mean? Where is 4.2.0-3.1 coming from? I'm installing 4.2.0-52, as far as I can see. what was the old version of XFree you had installed? 4.1.0 i would think that when the new XFree package balks on the drm dependency, the new base-fonts still tries to install but decides it can't with the current XFree... But one of the packages being installed is the new XFree86 ... Those were old RH-supplied RPM kernel upgrades. I'm not running any of them - I'm running 2.4.18 and as of tonight, 2.4.19. did you compile those kernels yourself? i'd say that redhat patched their kernel tree with the drm module code. if you used a kernel.org tree it might not have the drm code... Yep, compiled myself. The kernel.org stuff does have the kernel-drm stuff (apparently it's had it for quite a while, from what I've read). But I suspect that unless the kernels are supplied via rpm, the rpm database doesn't know what you have. We'll see how I go. Thanks, luke -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] apache and apache-ssl
On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 21:19, Jan Schmidt wrote: quote who=David Fitch what's the deal with apache and apache-ssl in debian woody? are you supposed to install and run both versions of apache? seems a bit odd to mewhy not one listening on both ports and if it's port 443 do the ssl stuff?? Yes, you use a separate package... the actual apache vs apache-ssl binaries are different beasties. hmmm I want ssl for squirrelmail/webmail so the passwds are not plain text so installed both but it always only hits the normal apache. Um... presumably you're using a https URL? well trouble is squirrelmail just adds a little include to the end of httpd.conf which is: Alias /squirrelmail /usr/share/squirrelmail Alias /webmail /usr/share/squirrelmail (actually it just does the first one, I added the second one cos I always get the spelling wrong of squirrelmail) so, no there's no https bit Do you mean that it's redirecting you to the http address? Anything in the logfiles? normal bits in the apache access file, nothing in the apache-ssl logs - it's going to apache not apache-ssl, ie. not using ssl/https. I guess I just have to force that url to be https?? Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] RPM complaints while trying to install XFree86 4.2.0
On 2 Sep, To: Martin wrote: We'll see how I go. Well, I tried a semi-tentative install: rpm -i --nodeps --replacefiles XF* font* free* Now I seem to have parts of both 4.1.0 and 4.2.0, though everything seems to be working. Any suggestion on the safest way to get rid of the older rpms without disturbing the new? Is it as simple as rpm -e XFree86-4.1.0-25, etc? (And try to find 4.2.0 versions of the missing pieces?) # rpm -qa | grep XFree86 | sort XFree86-100dpi-fonts-4.1.0-25 XFree86-4.1.0-25 XFree86-4.2.0-52.01 XFree86-75dpi-fonts-4.1.0-25 XFree86-base-fonts-4.2.0-52.01 XFree86-compat-libs-4.0.3-2 XFree86-devel-4.1.0-25 XFree86-ISO8859-15-100dpi-fonts-4.1.0-25 XFree86-ISO8859-15-75dpi-fonts-4.1.0-25 XFree86-jpfonts-2.1-24 XFree86-libs-4.1.0-25 XFree86-libs-4.2.0-52.01 XFree86-tools-4.1.0-25 XFree86-twm-4.1.0-25 XFree86-xdm-4.1.0-25 XFree86-xfs-4.1.0-25 XFree86-xfs-4.2.0-52.01 luke -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] apache and apache-ssl
quote who=David Fitch On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 21:19, Jan Schmidt wrote: quote who=David Fitch I want ssl for squirrelmail/webmail so the passwds are not plain text so installed both but it always only hits the normal apache. Um... presumably you're using a https URL? well trouble is squirrelmail just adds a little include to the end of httpd.conf which is: Alias /squirrelmail /usr/share/squirrelmail Alias /webmail /usr/share/squirrelmail I noticed that when I set it up... the package only sets up for http access, not https. I added the lines to the httpd.conf for apache-ssl and removed them from apache. so, no there's no https bit Do you mean that it's redirecting you to the http address? Anything in the logfiles? normal bits in the apache access file, nothing in the apache-ssl logs - it's going to apache not apache-ssl, ie. not using ssl/https. Well, the difference is that you'll use a https://x.y.z/squirrelmail/ as the URL when you connect... thus hitting port 443 instead of the port 80 server. I guess I just have to force that url to be https?? Yeah, although from memory I saw some strangeness with squirrelmail rewriting the URL to be http://x.y.z:443/squirrelmail and failing if I didn't have a trailing / on the url. IE, https://x.y.z/squirrelmail/ not https://x.y.z/squirrelmail J. -- Jan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't Panic -- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] apache and apache-ssl
quote who=David Fitch what's the deal with apache and apache-ssl in debian woody? are you supposed to install and run both versions of apache? seems a bit odd to mewhy not one listening on both ports and if it's port 443 do the ssl stuff?? apache-ssl is the one with mod_ssl compiled in. I usually use apache and libapache-mod-ssl rather than apache-ssl. - Jeff -- She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] two network cards again...
On Tue, 3 Sep 2002 06:31:51 +1000 Matt Penny Edmonds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: alias eth0 ne alias eth1 ne and then in the /etc/modutils/ne dir: option ne io=0x220,0x300 [irq=5,10] have you tried modprobe? modprobe ne io=0x220 irq=5 modprobe ne io=0x300 irq=10 Just a thought Kevin -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Kevin Waterson Byron Bay, Australia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] apache and apache-ssl
If you are using the debian package of squirrelmail, It asks you which version of Apache you are using IIRC. if it didnt, perhaps you can run dpkg-reconfigure --priority=low squirrelmail. or even try the debian package, then if you want some new version, at least you have a decent framework. the debian package also includes /etc/squirrelmail/apache.conf which has a sample virtual host in there. I imagine thats where you go to enable ssl etc. dave - Original Message - From: David Fitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] well trouble is squirrelmail just adds a little include to the end of httpd.conf which is: Alias /squirrelmail /usr/share/squirrelmail Alias /webmail /usr/share/squirrelmail -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] apache and apache-ssl
On Mon, 2002-09-02 at 23:22, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=David Fitch what's the deal with apache and apache-ssl in debian woody? are you supposed to install and run both versions of apache? seems a bit odd to mewhy not one listening on both ports and if it's port 443 do the ssl stuff?? apache-ssl is the one with mod_ssl compiled in. I usually use apache and libapache-mod-ssl rather than apache-ssl. this sounds like the go. I almost had is working (thanks Jan) but prefer this method so removed apache-ssl and installed libapache-mod-ssl but now how do I get it to listen on two ports? (80 and 443) (PS. why is there no docs on https on www.apache.org?) Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] apache and apache-ssl
On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 07:35, David Kempe wrote: If you are using the debian package of squirrelmail, It asks you which version of Apache you are using IIRC. if it didnt, perhaps you can run dpkg-reconfigure --priority=low squirrelmail. yes I was sure it did but I can't find anything in the config where that is set. I reran the dpkg-reconfigure but it didn't ask about that, maybe I'll try the priority line you mention too. or even try the debian package, then if you want some new version, at least you have a decent framework. the debian package also includes /etc/squirrelmail/apache.conf which has a sample virtual host in there. I imagine thats where you go to enable ssl etc. that's just the alias line though: Alias /squirrelmail /usr/share/squirrelmail Alias /webmail /usr/share/squirrelmail so no mention of http or https And the url I use to get there is: a href=webmail/webmail/a and I'd rather not list the full URL but might have to to put the https bit in. Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Running Mapinfo and Autocad lt 2002 under wine
Hi all, Can I firstly say that I found last August slug meeting quite informative and was surprised by the large number of people who attended. Has anyone tried running Mapinfo and/or Autocad lite under Wine?, can it be done, anything to look out for? Many thanks -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] apache and apache-ssl
On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 08:19, David Fitch wrote: this sounds like the go. I almost had is working (thanks Jan) but prefer this method so removed apache-ssl and installed libapache-mod-ssl but now how do I get it to listen on two ports? (80 and 443) Easiest way to get it running under Debian is to install the libapache-mod-ssl-doc package, and follow the quick setup guide in /usr/share/doc/libapache-mod-ssl-doc/README.Debian.gz. (PS. why is there no docs on https on www.apache.org?) Apache doesn't include SSL support natively. The FAQ talks about why, and mentions where to get information from: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/misc/FAQ.html#SSL-i Once you've installed that doc package, though, you'll have a nice user manual under http://localhost/doc/libapache-mod-ssl-doc/html/ -- Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players (ie., everybody), to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time. -- (Terry Pratchett Neil Gaiman - Good Omens) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] apache and apache-ssl
On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 11:52:30PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=David Fitch what's the deal with apache and apache-ssl in debian woody? are you supposed to install and run both versions of apache? seems a bit odd to mewhy not one listening on both ports and if it's port 443 do the ssl stuff?? apache-ssl is the one with mod_ssl compiled in. I usually use apache and libapache-mod-ssl rather than apache-ssl. I am not running woody, and my apt-cache doesn't have apache-ssl, but as far as I can remember, apache-ssl and mod_ssl are different apps trying to do the same thing. So either you install apache-ssl with apache or libapache-mod-ssl with apache Apache-SSL lives at www.apache-ssl.org mod_ssl lives at www.modssl.org http://www.apache-ssl.org/#mod_ssl -Colin -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Mandrake 8.1 and the internet
I decided to try Mandrake since I had 8.1 here. All works well EXCEPT I cannot browse the internet or collect email. When I dial (wvdial) the system logs on and IFCONFIG tells me the address I have been assigne and the p-t-p address. I can ping the p-t-p address and all seems well. The browser has the same proxy settings as before (I never reformat /home) and the SMTP and POP settings are correct but no matter which browser I try I get a long timeout period and then cannot find server and check address errors and kmail says it can't find the server. Any clues appreciated. Stay well and happy Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 8.1 and the internet
On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 12:22:37PM +, Ashley Lynn wrote: I can ping the p-t-p address and all seems well. The browser has the same proxy settings as before (I never reformat /home) and the SMTP and POP settings are correct but no matter which browser I try I get a long timeout period and then cannot find server and check address errors and kmail says it can't find the server. Any clues appreciated. Your DNS lookups aren't working. You either need to manually set your ISPs nameservers in your /etc/resolv.conf, or you need to find some way to automatically get the ISP to set it when you dial in (I believe this is possible with some ISPs, although I'm not sure how). -Andrew. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 8.1 and the internet
* Ashley Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-03 12:18]: I decided to try Mandrake since I had 8.1 here. All works well EXCEPT I cannot browse the internet or collect email. When I dial (wvdial) the system logs on and IFCONFIG tells me the address I have been assigne and the p-t-p address. I can ping the p-t-p address and all seems well. The browser has the same proxy settings as before (I never reformat /home) and the SMTP and POP settings are correct but no matter which browser I try I get a long timeout period and then cannot find server and check address errors and kmail says it can't find the server. Any clues appreciated. Sounds like a DNS issue. Have you put your name servers into /etc/resolv.conf? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] domino on linux
Hi.. is anyone out there using Lotus Domino on Linux? I recently migrated a Domino server from NT4 to Mandrake 8.2 in the hope it would solve some of the problems we were having, but it seems to have created some new ones as well. I'd be interested in comparing notes (pun intended) off-list with anyone that's doing Domino/Linux... there doesn't seem to be much Linux specific documentation out there yet. ..S.(gradually putting mdk8.2 on all my servers.. it's a Very Good Thing ;) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Mandrake 8.1 and the internet
it sounds like you need to check your DNS settings.. have you looked at /etc/resolv.conf and confirmed you've got the right DNS addresses in there? At 12:22 PM 3/09/2002 +, you wrote: I decided to try Mandrake since I had 8.1 here. All works well EXCEPT I cannot browse the internet or collect email. When I dial (wvdial) the system logs on and IFCONFIG tells me the address I have been assigne and the p-t-p address. I can ping the p-t-p address and all seems well. The browser has the same proxy settings as before (I never reformat /home) and the SMTP and POP settings are correct but no matter which browser I try I get a long timeout period and then cannot find server and check address errors and kmail says it can't find the server. Any clues appreciated. Stay well and happy Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] access to headless box
Hi, I have a perplexing problem. I want to run a single floppy distro (Bering) on a box that has been through the wars. I have no monitor for it and all the serial ports have been fried in a lightning strike. The distro runs (I can ping the box), but the floppy is too small to install ssh or anything similar that I know about. Without ssh I can't even get the ppp link up. The old Laplink for dos systems had a self installing system. That sounds like a security nightmare, but I wonder if there is anything similar that I can use to transfer communications software onto this. Any help gratefully accepted. Cheers, Alan -- -- Alan L Tyree[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.law.usyd.edu.au/~alant Tel: +61 2 4782 2670 Mobile: +61 419 638 170 Fax: +61 2 4782 7092 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ADSL SCANNING AT EXTREME LEVELS - Anyone else noticed this?
On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 04:12:29PM +1000, John Morrissey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: OVER 3100 seperate instances on Sunday night. I've had a number of customers who use Telstra ADSL at home reporting extreme levels of scanning over the weekend. See extracts of 3 messages from one customer below - he hade 4 different IP addresses over the weekend. I wonder whether those customers pay for that as traffic towards the client (from telstra's point of view) is download and hence payable. If you overshoot your allowance you pay per MB and that could be costly. Maybe this is a case for some kind of observing organisation? jobst -- She said she loved my mind, though by most accounts I had already lost it. __, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L -(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] access to headless box
On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 13:48, Alan L Tyree wrote: Hi, I have a perplexing problem. I want to run a single floppy distro (Bering) on a box that has been through the wars. I have no monitor for it and all the serial ports have been fried in a lightning strike. The distro runs (I can ping the box), but the floppy is too small to install ssh or anything similar that I know about. Without ssh I can't even get the ppp link up. The old Laplink for dos systems had a self installing system. That sounds like a security nightmare, but I wonder if there is anything similar that I can use to transfer communications software onto this. Any help gratefully accepted. A TFTP client would probably fit on the floppy, then it could get other files off the network (into a ramdisk?). http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/redhat/7.2/i386/tftp-0.17-14.i386.html Good luck =) Felix -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
