Re: [SLUG] SLUG chat?
On Wed, Feb 12, 2003, Phillipus Gunawan wrote: > Hi there, > > Just wanna have a short question, I noticed 2 times you guys mentioned > about having a subject list to chat. > > What is that mean? is there any SLUG chat based? kind of IRC thingy? > where? Jeff mentioned slug-chat, which is a mailing list - http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug-chat When people say "take it to slug-chat" they mean "take it to the slug-chat mailing list". But there is an IRC channel - #slug on au.freenode.net -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] SLUG chat?
> Just wanna have a short question, I noticed 2 times you guys mentioned > about having a subject list to chat. > > What is that mean? is there any SLUG chat based? kind of IRC thingy? > where? It's the 'other' SLUG mailing list for everything that's off-topic on this list. Tends to be a lot of topics. - Jeff -- Push the envelope, or push the daisies. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] SLUG chat?
Hi there, Just wanna have a short question, I noticed 2 times you guys mentioned about having a subject list to chat. What is that mean? is there any SLUG chat based? kind of IRC thingy? where? Thanks. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux legal battle ???
> > That would be very interesting if, for example, the author is in Russia > > - lack of jurisdiction hasn't stopped them in the past, though (the > > Lawyers, I mean - look at the ARIA).. > > As well as the Sklyarov/Elcomsoft affair. Ah yes, but he made the mistake of ENTERING US territory - true, no "crime" was committed ON US territory, but once they have you;-( Anyway, better move this to chat..:-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] report: PDA Palm Zire
On 12 Feb 2003, Adam Hewitt wrote: Adam, I believe all your questions are answered by the resources at www.jpilot.org and the mail list archives for jpilot: http://www.jpilot.org/lists.html which are searchable via google. -=-=-==-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Graeme Robinson - Graenet consulting www.graenet.com - internet solutions -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==---=-=--=-=-= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] report: PDA Palm Zire
Hi Graeme, All When I get to the stage of "adding" a user to the palm, the install-user command is run, it connects and then says "Please hit the HotSync button"...however the HotSync button was already pressed in order to get it to connect to the interface??? Also I assume that the install-user command installs a user so that the palm will only talk with that user on the linux system, but what if I want to use the palm at the office and at home?? Do I need to have the same username install on both linux machines? Cheers, Adam. On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 12:49, Graeme Robinson wrote: > I posted last week re: this device and didn't get any comment. > I've just got it working and thought I'd let people know in case they were > interested. > > Support for the Zire device is provided by the visor usb module, but isn't > built into that module before kernel 2.4.20. > > As I have been kicking along on 2.4.14 I thought I may as well go to the > latest stable, downloaded the full kernel-source, configured, compiled and > installed the new kernel. > > I'm happy to report the Zire is synchronising happily and that it's a very > nice compact device - I'm s happy to be rid of battery replacement. > > Details of setup with jpilot follow for those interested: > > version requirements: > - pilot-link 0.11.3 or newer http://www.pilot-link.org; > - jpilot .99.2 or newer (older versions may work - this is what I have) > - patched or visor module from 2.4.20 > > note: > The pilot-link, pilot-xfer and jpilot programs that come with rh8.0 are > fine but the visor module isn't. > > 1. I went from a serial palm to this USB palm so I created the following > links in /dev: > /dev/pilot -> /dev/ttyUSB1 > /dev/palm -> /dev/ttyUSB1 > > 2. In jpilot preferences set link to /dev/pilot > > 3. Configure and compile kernel source as normal - make sure under > usb-serial devices that support the visor & palm devices is enabled. > Build, install etc. > > 4. to confirm the module is recognising the device on reboot, open a sudo > tail -f /var/log/messages, connect the Zire to the USB port and turn it on > and hit the hotsync button. > You should see: > > 4.x converter detected > Feb 10 12:10:49 localhost kernel: visor.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0 / > Cli 4.x: Number of ports: 2 > Feb 10 12:10:49 localhost kernel: visor.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0 / > Cli 4.x: port 1, is for Generic use and is bound to ttyUSB0 > Feb 10 12:10:49 localhost kernel: visor.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0 / > Cli 4.x: port 2, is for HotSync use and is bound to ttyUSB1 > Feb 10 12:10:49 localhost kernel: usbserial.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0 > / Cli 4.x converter now attached to ttyUSB0 (or usb/tts/0 for devfs) > Feb 10 12:10:49 localhost kernel: usbserial.c: Handspring Visor / Palm 4.0 > / Cli 4.x converter now attached to ttyUSB1 (or usb/tts/1 for devfs) > Feb 10 12:10:52 localhost /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: ... no modules for USB > product 830/70/100 > > The last entry looks worrisome but ignore it - the module is detecting the > palm device. > > 5. If the device is new and has no data on it you will need to install > your > user using /usr/bin/install-user -p -u "User name" -i > > 6. WARNING: you must carry out this step (backup your ~/.jpilot > directory as a precaution) > you can now restore from your .jpilot restore > directory: pilot-xfer -p /dev/pilot -r ~/.jpilot/restore/ > > 7. you can now synchronise with jpilot normally. Note previous step is > very important otherwise you will lose your data! > > -=-=-==-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Graeme Robinson - Graenet consulting > www.graenet.com - internet solutions > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==---=-=--=-=-= > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux legal battle ???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thursday 13 Feb 2003 12:54 pm, Jon Biddell wrote: > That would be very interesting if, for example, the author is in Russia > - lack of jurisdiction hasn't stopped them in the past, though (the > Lawyers, I mean - look at the ARIA).. As well as the Sklyarov/Elcomsoft affair. - -- Chris SamuelWollongong, NSW -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBPknpHY1yjaOTJg85AQHmbAf/f9+F3VDRo6MfVZ1NmThvHVufsGy9K8SF 2TFSvS2ihC3pGs2kp3pqL1T6mJgUqiQaE7pSeNeq5qQGbQV518tNprOh3qTE5fMr V/NmaOIXlOHjnWvvBbYTdpx0TrgR869WwNeaViOTlje3Op0ShbsEJi08iJsLDHyC 7AQTaTzuRfJhwWLehZdFgrByZw5Mea5L75zstRbCRImDRR41CaOPqDlmv35t4ImR Ts1g0rSbpQVvkgTvsnP/5gqu3qNFjvQY74vsM5rkOTbibi6pZp0sI2yICZdubWzE CoX8cwujVI8gpq/z+eHocp4IcrQOAzM+6NanHRGmO548IpeE2L1EuA== =QTdw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Autorepeat broken after suspend
On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 14:56, Myles Byrne wrote: > > > I can suspend the machine with X running, and everything is fine when I > > resume ... except for the keyboard autorepeat which no longer works, and > > the mouse becomes prone to take a single click as a double click. > > I have exactly the same problem with a thinkpad 600E Great - I'm not alone! I tried to Google for a solution, but could not find anything. Ben de Luca suggested that fiddling with the Repeat Keys options in the Keyboard Preferences dialog fixed a similar problem for him in the past. It didn't work for me though. Have you tried that? I'm wondering at what level this is a problem. e.g. IBM hardware, Video card driver, X, Metacity, Gnome ... It's a nuisance, that's for sure. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Autorepeat broken after suspend
> I can suspend the machine with X running, and everything is fine when I > resume ... except for the keyboard autorepeat which no longer works, and > the mouse becomes prone to take a single click as a double click. I have exactly the same problem with a thinkpad 600E -- Myles Byrne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ByrneWebServices -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux legal battle ???
> > > > http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php?taxid=1284011332&id=431700105&eid=-50 > > > > Has SCO gone over to The Dark Side ? > > I think it all depends on what they do. At the moment everyone is panicing > over who they've hired, there don't seem to be any details of what patents > they think they could enforce, let alone which ones may have been breached > (if any are still in force). > > It may also get interesting if they chase a claimed infringement and find that > the person who wrote the code isn't in the US. That would be very interesting if, for example, the author is in Russia - lack of jurisdiction hasn't stopped them in the past, though (the Lawyers, I mean - look at the ARIA).. Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] four-port serial board help, please?
Hi, I've an old four-port serial board, labelled T4R-100. I'm trying to use it as a console server for some of the crash'n'burn machines around here. Only problem is, I can't work out how to enable interrupts on the board, or if it has a special AST four-port style register that can be polled to see what's interrupting. Does anyone have any data on this card, or know how the switches should be set? setserial ttyS9 auto_irq autoconfig gives this configuration: /dev/ttyS9, Line 9, UART: 16450, Port: 0x02a0, IRQ: 4 Baud_base: 115200, close_delay: 50, divisor: 0 closing_wait: 3000 Flags: spd_normal auto_irq /dev/ttyS10, Line 10, UART: 16450, Port: 0x02a8, IRQ: 3 Baud_base: 115200, close_delay: 50, divisor: 0 closing_wait: 3000 Flags: spd_normal auto_irq /dev/ttyS11, Line 11, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x02b0, IRQ: 0 Baud_base: 115200, close_delay: 50, divisor: 0 closing_wait: 3000 Flags: spd_normal auto_irq /dev/ttyS12, Line 12, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x02b8, IRQ: 0 Baud_base: 115200, close_delay: 50, divisor: 0 closing_wait: 3000 Flags: spd_normal auto_irq By trying to trace the tracks on the ISA board, it looks as though an appropriate swicth setting should enable another interrupt --- one of IRQ 2 3 4 5 6 or 7 Pins 1 and 8 on the dip switch head into a PAL. The only combination I've been able to get to work so far is switch 1 on and switch 8 off, which g8ives a sort-of-working configuration. In a 133MHz pentium, though, characters keep getting missed. Anyone got any ideas? Peter C -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux legal battle ???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wednesday 12 Feb 2003 12:26 pm, Jon Biddell wrote: > May I direct your attention to the following URL; > > http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php?taxid=1284011332&id=431700105&eid=-50 > > Has SCO gone over to The Dark Side ? I think it all depends on what they do. At the moment everyone is panicing over who they've hired, there don't seem to be any details of what patents they think they could enforce, let alone which ones may have been breached (if any are still in force). It may also get interesting if they chase a claimed infringement and find that the person who wrote the code isn't in the US. cheers! Chris - -- Chris SamuelWollongong, NSW -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBPkm6VY1yjaOTJg85AQH6PggAmQEJiVGT7OhgiHKvXSgDs4YQDdJxfpVK vvyNBPpSajOlewkgUX8VrY1nNIYq3XJ199OUlRj2OC/nuud+lAHiIZF8b2GoLIVP qGXGpFAKktMavLcSsaysmgq/vhFOGfog/DgQuSACdoLj/A7p6X8T8TPXCEegbgI/ E6t3ZrGtzFeXGsqpmW8mGicFWpZfydYMW4Ou4tc24+R1CTEEbvO5aTW/wsZae647 DfJE9R7PUaPTEYJFtxpfvQByL5vodOGDxuWEudzrbh/aEcQ8hy6YVoA+guLVs/xE yvzrz4LnDxqDpOY91mJCnkoNRhZ9O2KnOXPsikh9yA/ac/zLmIPhWw== =adTS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Linux legal battle ???
May I direct your attention to the following URL; http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php?taxid=1284011332&id=431700105&eid=-50 Has SCO gone over to The Dark Side ? - Tony Blair phones George Bush, and asks "What proof do you have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction?" and Bush replies "We kept the receipts." -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] 256-color-friendly gnome2?
> Does anyone know of a simple solution to this? Perhaps (wishful thinking) > a colorsafe theme exists somewhere? Is there any reason in principle that > would prevent me from adjusting all the pixmaps to use the same color > palette (apart from the obvious one that it would be too much like hard > work)? Yeah, this is pretty harsh now. We're basically assuming 15-32bit colour these days. Perhaps a combination of thinice (use the 'Simple' theme in GNOME 2.2) and one of the High Contrast icon themes would work well. They are just black/white/grey. - Jeff -- "I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity." - George W. Bush (by way of Miles Nordin) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] 256-color-friendly gnome2?
Hi, I'm soon to attempt a small X-terminal installation (1 application server, 4 to 5 workstations), using old 486s as clients. I've become quite a fan of GNOME2, and would like to use it here, but most 486s I come across have are limited to 800x600x256, which causes some truly hideous color dithering. Does anyone know of a simple solution to this? Perhaps (wishful thinking) a colorsafe theme exists somewhere? Is there any reason in principle that would prevent me from adjusting all the pixmaps to use the same color palette (apart from the obvious one that it would be too much like hard work)? Matthew. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Autorepeat broken after suspend
Peter, many thanks for the suggestions. On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 23:00, Peter Hardy wrote: > Couple of things you can try: > When you resume, run "xset r" to try turning autorepeat back on. The > xset manpage will probably also tell you how to change the doubleclick > timeout. I can't get this to work :-( If I start X, open an xterm I see that "xset r off" and "xset r on" do indeed start and stop autorepeat for all X apps. (nice - I've learned something there). However, if I suspend the machine at this point, and then resume it, I find that autorepeat is off, and "xset r on" will not restart it :-( > If that doesn't work, try changing to a virtual console before > suspending. I'm afraid that even this didn't work :-( Thanks again, though -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Autorepeat broken after suspend
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:30:08 +1100, Bruce Badger wrote: > I can suspend the machine with X running, and everything is fine when > I resume ... except for the keyboard autorepeat which no longer works, > and the mouse becomes prone to take a single click as a double click. > > Simply exiting X and restarting it makes the problems go away. If I > switch to another TTY, autorepeat is working fine - back in X land, > it's still not working. I didn't have the same problem, but I did have other issues with suspending from within X. Couple of things you can try: When you resume, run "xset r" to try turning autorepeat back on. The xset manpage will probably also tell you how to change the doubleclick timeout. If that doesn't work, try changing to a virtual console before suspending. You can use chvt to do that within a script. You could also use the fgconsole command to grab the current active console and store that somewhere so you know where to change back to when you resume. -- Pete -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Autorepeat broken after suspend
I'm running RH8.0 on an IBM Thinkpad T21. I can suspend the machine with X running, and everything is fine when I resume ... except for the keyboard autorepeat which no longer works, and the mouse becomes prone to take a single click as a double click. Simply exiting X and restarting it makes the problems go away. If I switch to another TTY, autorepeat is working fine - back in X land, it's still not working. Has anyone else experienced this? Does anyone know if/how it can be fixed? Thanks -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] what can you do on 8mb that isn't a firewall
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Michael Lake wrote: > Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > > > > My question is: what stuff (clicky stuff) can I install and have run > > > reasonably in 8mb. Ideally I'd like to have a simple word processor, > > > spreadsheet etc. > > > And what window manager do you run on 8mb? I'm currently thinking window > > > maker. Is there a better choice? > > > If you want to actually run something on the machine, I'd recommend lwm as > > the window manager, and then you can buy a book on LaTeX, because clicky- > > clicky won't be very satisfying/productive in 8MB. > > I'd agree with Jeff. Run LaTeX with xdvi and it will be responsive and > fast in 8 Meg. > I'd suggest fvwm or fvwm2 or fvwm95 as its easy to configure menus with > and its fast. I was going to avoid saying, but since this has turned into a window manager plugfest, ratpoison (http://ratpoison.sourceforge.net/) is a very lightweight wm that should work spiffingly well on an 8mb machine. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] what can you do on 8mb that isn't a firewall
Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > My question is: what stuff (clicky stuff) can I install and have run > > reasonably in 8mb. Ideally I'd like to have a simple word processor, > > spreadsheet etc. > > And what window manager do you run on 8mb? I'm currently thinking window > > maker. Is there a better choice? > If you want to actually run something on the machine, I'd recommend lwm as > the window manager, and then you can buy a book on LaTeX, because clicky- > clicky won't be very satisfying/productive in 8MB. I'd agree with Jeff. Run LaTeX with xdvi and it will be responsive and fast in 8 Meg. I'd suggest fvwm or fvwm2 or fvwm95 as its easy to configure menus with and its fast. Mike -- Michael Lake Active caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Using dpkg-buildpackage
Steve Kowalik wrote: > > At 2:25 pm, Tuesday, February 11 2003, Michael Lake mumbled: > > How do I make a deb package from an already configured and linked > > binary? I dont need signed packages and I dont want a cleaned out tree > > afterwards so I used dpkg-buildpackage -uc from the man page) > > I made it from within the vim directory created from 'apt-get source > > vim' so it has the deb control files all there. > > > You have the source, so you want to edit the debian/rules files (which > dpkg-buildpackage uses), so it will build a motif front-end. Keep in mind > that you should *not* build Debian packages as root, but use > 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us'. Ah ! I see in /home/mikel/vim-6.1.018/debian there is a rules file which says at one point. guiflags = --with-x --enable-gui=gtk --enable-xim --enable-fontset so that I gather, correct me if I am wrong, passes those options to ./configure i.e. you do all your configure things in the rules file? I tried "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us" but I didnt have fakeroot installed so I just did "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" as a normal user as I only want the deb built in my normal user directory then I intended to do dpkg --install vim...deb Is that also a 'right' way? Mike -- Michael Lake Active caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: [Debian-au] DebSIG 12th Feb / IPv6
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 02:44:06PM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: > Hi all, > > Just a quick reminder that DebSIG is on again for young and old this > Wednesday 12th Feb (tomorrow!). Unfortunately the tentative speaker I > had arranged is busy so I'll be speaking instead. > > What with the timely announcement of a $10,000 prize for writing IPv6 > related application [1], I'll be introducing IPv6 and explaining what > it is, how it works, how to get everything in Debian setup for it and > how to connect to the IPv6 internetwork. > > Remember DebSIG is on at the Wooloomooloo Bay Hotel (WBH) - drop in > around 18:30 to get a decent seat and (reasonable) beer. > [1]: http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/03/02/09/2038223.shtml?tid=95&tid=15> and http://www.v6pc.jp/apc/en/index.html> Regards, Anand -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] DebSIG 12th Feb / IPv6
Hi all, Just a quick reminder that DebSIG is on again for young and old this Wednesday 12th Feb (tomorrow!). Unfortunately the tentative speaker I had arranged is busy so I'll be speaking instead. What with the timely announcement of a $10,000 prize for writing IPv6 related application [1], I'll be introducing IPv6 and explaining what it is, how it works, how to get everything in Debian setup for it and how to connect to the IPv6 internetwork. Remember DebSIG is on at the Wooloomooloo Bay Hotel (WBH) - drop in around 18:30 to get a decent seat and (reasonable) beer. See you all tomorrow. Regards, Anand -- `` We are shaped by our thoughts, we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves. '' -- Buddha, The Dhammapada -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Using dpkg-buildpackage
At 2:25 pm, Tuesday, February 11 2003, Michael Lake mumbled: > How do I make a deb package from an already configured and linked > binary? I dont need signed packages and I dont want a cleaned out tree > afterwards so I used dpkg-buildpackage -uc from the man page) > I made it from within the vim directory created from 'apt-get source > vim' so it has the deb control files all there. > You have the source, so you want to edit the debian/rules files (which dpkg-buildpackage uses), so it will build a motif front-end. Keep in mind that you should *not* build Debian packages as root, but use 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us'. Cheers, -- Steve "There's only a finite number of them, so they can't be that interesting." -- Herbert Xu -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
