RE: [SLUG] rpm to deal with dependencies !!

2003-03-16 Thread LS
This email is a bit long, as I want to highlight
how I started this so that you get a better
idea what is going on.

  How do I get this install to go without having to worry about rpm 
  dependencies ??
 
 Did it download the libreadline RPM that it needs? If so, 
 just install it manually before running the install script. 
 If not, install it from your Red Hat CD.

Like I said it was already downloaded when I ran the installer
script. It created a directory /tmp/extrarpms under /tmp
with all the required rpms that it needs. The libreadline rpm
is installed by this rpm readline-4.2-2.i386.rpm. I've checked
this from rpmfind.net as well.

Before I installed their WEBppliance upgrade patch they say to 
update the rpms.

So I ran the command :

rpm -Uvh /tmp/extrarpms/rpm*.rpm

However I hit this problem first:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] /tmp]# rpm -Uvh /tmp/extrarpms/rpm*.rpm
Preparing... #[100%]
1:rpm # [ 20%]
2:rpm-build # [ 40%]
3:rpm-devel # [ 60%]
4:rpm-perl # [ 80%]
5:rpm-python #[100%]
rpmdb: Suspiciously high nelem of 4294967295 on page 0
error: db4 error(-30979) from db-verify: DB_VERIFY_BAD: Database
verification failed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /tmp]#

Someone from another forum 
(http://forum.rackshack.net/showthread.php?s=postid=124109#post124109)
suggested I run this command :

rpm --rebuilddb

I did that and nothing was reported. So I assumed it went ok.
After that I tried to re-install the rpms with the following 
output:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] extrarpms]# rpm --rebuilddb

[EMAIL PROTECTED] extrarpms]# rpm -Uvh /tmp/extrarpms/rpm*.rpm
Preparing... ### [100%]
package rpm-4.0.4-7x.18 is already installed
package rpm-build-4.0.4-7x.18 is already installed
package rpm-devel-4.0.4-7x.18 is already installed
package rpm-perl-4.0.4-7x.18 is already installed
package rpm-python-4.0.4-7x.18 is already installed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] extrarpms]#

I am not sure now if it was suppose to go further than this.

Anyway I ran the installer for the WEBppliance to start
The installation and I get this error:


Determining RPMs which need upgrade/installation... [ OK ]
Starting upgrade. This may take several minutes
to hours depending on the number of sites
Performing pre-install check... (this may take a few minute[FAILED]  

Failed to install service RPMs.  
Installation aborted.
Please review /tmp/installer.err for more information.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /tmp]#

I had a look at the installer.err and here is the output

##


WEBppliance 3.1.3-4.
Installer version 1.0-17.
Installer error log:
Sun Mar 16 15:30:27 EST 2003
03/16/03 15:31:34 : error: failed dependencies:  
libreadline.so.4.1 is needed by dump-0.4b21-3  
libreadline.so.4.1 is needed by mysql-3.23.54a-3.71  
libreadline.so.4.1 is needed by python-1.5.2-43.71  

##

I tried to install readline-4.2-2.i386.rpm first
with this command, and here is the output:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] extrarpms]# rpm -i readline-devel-4.2-2.i386.rpm
error: failed dependencies:
readline = 4.2 is needed by readline-devel-4.2-2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] extrarpms]#

So now I went and ran this command instead with the following error:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] extrarpms]# rpm -i readline-4.2-2.i386.rpm
file /usr/lib/libhistory.so.4 from install of readline-4.2-2 conflicts
with file from package readline-4.1-9
file /usr/lib/libreadline.so.4 from install of readline-4.2-2 conflicts
with file from package readline-4.1-9
file /usr/share/info/history.info.gz from install of readline-4.2-2
conflicts with file from package readline-4.1-9
file /usr/share/info/readline.info.gz from install of readline-4.2-2
conflicts with file from package readline-4.1-9
file /usr/share/info/rluserman.info.gz from install of readline-4.2-2
conflicts with file from package readline-4.1-9
file /usr/share/man/man3/readline.3.gz from install of readline-4.2-2
conflicts with file from package readline-4.1-9
[EMAIL PROTECTED] extrarpms]#

I am stuck here as I do not know how to deal with conflicts. Does that 
mean I have to uninstall rpm readline-4.1-9 and then install 
4.2 version or is there a way to force rpm to
ignore conflicts and overwrite using the ones from version 4.2 ?

I basically cannot proceed with the server WEBppliabce upgrade
Until the rpms from the extrarpms directory are all installed.

Cheers

Louis.






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Re: [SLUG] msttcorefonts

2003-03-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 12:27:34AM +1100, Chris D wrote:
 Hello all,
 I've installed msttcorefonts and the fonts appear in some X-programs but
 not others - for example OpenOffice and xfontsel, and others...
 
 I seem to be able to access them from the Gnome2 fonts prefs window and
 Mozilla but nowhere else.
 
 During the setup, I was told defoma was probably not setup to handle X
 fonts -- and pointed me to a non-existant file.
 
 Anyone else had this experience?

Install the 'x-ttcidfont-conf' package, and add this FontPath line to
your XF86Config-4 file in the Files section:

FontPath/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType

You may or may not need to restart X after this.

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Re: [SLUG] rpm to deal with dependencies !!

2003-03-16 Thread mlh

Louis, You probably should've given 
this information from the start  .. however ...

On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 07:59:19PM +1100, LS wrote:
 [ ... ]
 conflicts with file from package readline-4.1-9
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] extrarpms]#
 
 I am stuck here as I do not know how to deal with conflicts. Does that 
 mean I have to uninstall rpm readline-4.1-9

That's what I'd try.  You'll probably have to use the force
option, as a lot of things would depend on readline-4.1.9.

Hopefully they would also work with readline-4.2.

What version of linux are running?  Your probably might be
solved by running a more modern version.  What does Ensim
support recommend?

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RE: [SLUG] rpm to deal with dependencies !!

2003-03-16 Thread scott
 So now I went and ran this command instead with the following error:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] extrarpms]# rpm -i readline-4.2-2.i386.rpm
 file /usr/lib/libhistory.so.4 from install of readline-4.2-2 conflicts
 with file from package readline-4.1-9
 file /usr/lib/libreadline.so.4 from install of readline-4.2-2 conflicts
 with file from package readline-4.1-9
 file /usr/share/info/history.info.gz from install of readline-4.2-2
 conflicts with file from package readline-4.1-9
 file /usr/share/info/readline.info.gz from install of readline-4.2-2
 conflicts with file from package readline-4.1-9
 file /usr/share/info/rluserman.info.gz from install of readline-4.2-2
 conflicts with file from package readline-4.1-9
 file /usr/share/man/man3/readline.3.gz from install of readline-4.2-2
 conflicts with file from package readline-4.1-9
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] extrarpms]#
 
Hi Louis,
Have you tried: rpm -U readline-4.2-2.i386.rpm
Upgrade rather then install.

Cheers,

Scott
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[SLUG] Will there be a SLUG Python IG meeting this month [March]?

2003-03-16 Thread Shane MacPhillamy
I'm quite new to this list hence the question. Does the Python Interest 
Group meet monthly at the same time  place?

Thanks.

Cheers
Shane MacPhillamy
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Re: [SLUG] IE running on Linux - Suggestions

2003-03-16 Thread David Fitch
On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 12:08, Adam W wrote:
 I have had a peep at crossover office/plugin - how well does this work??
 I am really only looking to get IE running nicely. I don't want to spend
 my US$60 to find that it works for most, but not for me. It's a real
 pitty they don't have a demo release! Or not one that I can find!

I use crossover office for running M$ word and excel.
It works very well (version 1.1.0 I think which is old now)
but I don't use IE.  If there's no demo on their website,
email them and ask cos I'm sure that's how I first tried it
at a previous employer.

Dave.

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Re: [SLUG] IE running on Linux - Suggestions

2003-03-16 Thread Terry Collins
Adam W wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 One of the biggest factors of me crossing over to full time linux, at
 work and at home is the ability to run IE(please no flames). I just get
 really frustrated going to websites that run perfectly on IE, and seeing
 them all jumbled up on opera/mozilla 

You need to test these sites with a browser that allows you to change
the browser ident string. Funny how many sites work when they think they
are talking to IE. I would try this before I fiddled with other stuff.

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[SLUG] iinet DSL + Debian

2003-03-16 Thread Craig Mead
Trying to get iiNet DSL working on my Linux box (debian)

Very confused as to whats happening. I've googled the error, a few others
have posted about it, but there are 0 replies.

Most sites just say, install Roaring Penguin, install, run adsl-setup and
then adsl-start. And it will work.

Any assistance in thsi matter would be HUGELY appreciated.

0030-AP:/# adsl-start
TIMED OUT
/usr/sbin/adsl-start: line 194: 351 Terminated $CONNECT $@ /de

tcpdump on the if shows..

05:02:48.319944 PPPoE PADI [Service-Name] [Host-Uniq UTF8]
05:02:48.346910 PPPoE PADO [Service-Name] [AC-Name nct4-chatswood]
[Host-Uniq UTF8]
05:02:48.347424 PPPoE PADR [Service-Name] [Host-Uniq UTF8]
05:02:48.379928 PPPoE PADS [ses 0x469] [Service-Name] [AC-Name
nct4-chatswood] [Host-Uniq UTF8]
05:02:48.381668 PPPoE PADT [ses 0x469] [Host-Uniq UTF8] [Generic-Error
RP-PPPoE: System call error: Input/output error]

Details.

Latest version of Roaring Penguin
DLink DSL-300 modem
2.4.18 kernel

TIA.
Craig Mead


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[SLUG] ssh trouble

2003-03-16 Thread Alan L Tyree
Hi,
I am trying to ssh into a U of Syd machine. The administrator tells me
that they use PUTTY and have no problem. I suspect that he is on the
other side of a firewall. When I try it:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] alant]$ ssh -v janus.law.usyd.edu.au
OpenSSH_3.4p1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090602f
debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
debug1: Applying options for *
debug1: Rhosts Authentication disabled, originating port will not be
trusted.
debug1: ssh_connect: needpriv 0
debug1: Connecting to janus.law.usyd.edu.au [129.78.136.1] port 22.
debug1: Connection established.
debug1: identity file /home/alant/.ssh/identity type -1
debug1: identity file /home/alant/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
debug1: identity file /home/alant/.ssh/id_dsa type 2
ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host


Is my problem a firewall? Or something else?

Thanks,
Alan
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Re: [SLUG] iinet DSL + Debian

2003-03-16 Thread Phil Scarratt
Not sure how iiNet works but have you tried it without the acname and 
service named configured in pppoe.conf? I run exactly the same (latest 
Rp PPPOE, 2.4.18 and DSL-300) and have never had a problem (well apart 
from plugging the damn modem into the wrong eth interface). Modem is 
configured correctly?

Fil

Craig Mead wrote:
Trying to get iiNet DSL working on my Linux box (debian)

Very confused as to whats happening. I've googled the error, a few others
have posted about it, but there are 0 replies.
Most sites just say, install Roaring Penguin, install, run adsl-setup and
then adsl-start. And it will work.
Any assistance in thsi matter would be HUGELY appreciated.

0030-AP:/# adsl-start
TIMED OUT
/usr/sbin/adsl-start: line 194: 351 Terminated $CONNECT $@ /de
tcpdump on the if shows..

05:02:48.319944 PPPoE PADI [Service-Name] [Host-Uniq UTF8]
05:02:48.346910 PPPoE PADO [Service-Name] [AC-Name nct4-chatswood]
[Host-Uniq UTF8]
05:02:48.347424 PPPoE PADR [Service-Name] [Host-Uniq UTF8]
05:02:48.379928 PPPoE PADS [ses 0x469] [Service-Name] [AC-Name
nct4-chatswood] [Host-Uniq UTF8]
05:02:48.381668 PPPoE PADT [ses 0x469] [Host-Uniq UTF8] [Generic-Error
RP-PPPoE: System call error: Input/output error]
Details.

Latest version of Roaring Penguin
DLink DSL-300 modem
2.4.18 kernel
TIA.
Craig Mead



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Re: [SLUG] Will there be a SLUG Python IG meeting this month [March]?

2003-03-16 Thread Mary
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 08:30:24AM +1100, Shane MacPhillamy wrote:
 I'm quite new to this list hence the question. Does the Python Interest 
 Group meet monthly at the same time  place?

Generally - it will probably be held on Monday 24th this month, mainly
because I haven't organised the talk yet. Expect an announcement in a
few days.

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Re: [Re: [SLUG] wget Issue]]]] iptable tried

2003-03-16 Thread mkraus
G'day...

You want to try  `/sbin/iptables -L` not the one found under 
/etc/rc.d/init.d/ - this is a startup script not the binary you are 
after...

All the best...

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Louis Selvon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
15/03/2003 10:22 PM

 
To: Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:[Re: [SLUG] wget Issue iptable tried


Hi Tony et al:

Show us the output from 'iptables -L' from your gateway and the server
that's having the problem (maybe the same machine)

I just got this one going. Nothing was returned. Here is the output

[EMAIL PROTECTED] admin]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/iptables -L
[EMAIL PROTECTED] admin]#

Am I suppose to see something here ?

Cheers

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Re: [SLUG] iinet DSL + Debian

2003-03-16 Thread Adam Hewitt
I have connected my debian server to iiNet without any dramas. I used
pppoeconf and used the username of username@iinet.net.au. Afterwards
just check your chap-secrets file to make sure that the username and
password looks ok (I have found that if you already have an entry in
there, ie modem, then it tries to put it all on one line which screws it
up) and it should just work...

Good Luck

Adam.

On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 09:00, Craig Mead wrote:
 Trying to get iiNet DSL working on my Linux box (debian)
 
 Very confused as to whats happening. I've googled the error, a few others
 have posted about it, but there are 0 replies.
 
 Most sites just say, install Roaring Penguin, install, run adsl-setup and
 then adsl-start. And it will work.
 
 Any assistance in thsi matter would be HUGELY appreciated.
 
 0030-AP:/# adsl-start
 TIMED OUT
 /usr/sbin/adsl-start: line 194: 351 Terminated $CONNECT $@ /de
 
 tcpdump on the if shows..
 
 05:02:48.319944 PPPoE PADI [Service-Name] [Host-Uniq UTF8]
 05:02:48.346910 PPPoE PADO [Service-Name] [AC-Name nct4-chatswood]
 [Host-Uniq UTF8]
 05:02:48.347424 PPPoE PADR [Service-Name] [Host-Uniq UTF8]
 05:02:48.379928 PPPoE PADS [ses 0x469] [Service-Name] [AC-Name
 nct4-chatswood] [Host-Uniq UTF8]
 05:02:48.381668 PPPoE PADT [ses 0x469] [Host-Uniq UTF8] [Generic-Error
 RP-PPPoE: System call error: Input/output error]
 
 Details.
 
 Latest version of Roaring Penguin
 DLink DSL-300 modem
 2.4.18 kernel
 
 TIA.
 Craig Mead
 

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Re: [SLUG] ssh trouble

2003-03-16 Thread Adam Hewitt
Hi Alan,

I may be wrong but it looks like the ssh server is configured for key
authentication only, if your keys are not listed in the authorized_keys
file then you will get the big boot.

If this was a firewall issue then you would not be able to connect at
all.

Cheers,

Adam.

On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 09:10, Alan L Tyree wrote:
 Hi,
 I am trying to ssh into a U of Syd machine. The administrator tells me
 that they use PUTTY and have no problem. I suspect that he is on the
 other side of a firewall. When I try it:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] alant]$ ssh -v janus.law.usyd.edu.au
 OpenSSH_3.4p1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090602f
 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
 debug1: Applying options for *
 debug1: Rhosts Authentication disabled, originating port will not be
 trusted.
 debug1: ssh_connect: needpriv 0
 debug1: Connecting to janus.law.usyd.edu.au [129.78.136.1] port 22.
 debug1: Connection established.
 debug1: identity file /home/alant/.ssh/identity type -1
 debug1: identity file /home/alant/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
 debug1: identity file /home/alant/.ssh/id_dsa type 2
 ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
 
 
 Is my problem a firewall? Or something else?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [SLUG] ssh trouble

2003-03-16 Thread Alan L Tyree
On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 09:48, Adam Hewitt wrote:
 Hi Alan,
 
 I may be wrong but it looks like the ssh server is configured for key
 authentication only, if your keys are not listed in the authorized_keys
 file then you will get the big boot.
 
 If this was a firewall issue then you would not be able to connect at
 all.

Of course! I should have seen that. I don't think the administrator has
had much experience with ssh.

thanks for that,
Alan

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Re: [SLUG] rpm to deal with dependencies !!

2003-03-16 Thread Andrew Monkhouse
 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:24:08 +1100
 From: Louis Selvon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [SLUG] rpm to deal with dependencies !!

 Hi Sluggers:

 Does anyone how do I invoke rpm to install packages and deal with
 dependencies.

 The patch I am installing for my server has downloaded all the necessary =
 rpms.
 However when I ran their installer script the logs are showing rpm depend=
 ency
 errors. A sample log is shown below:

 ##

 WEBppliance 3.1.3-4.
 Installer version 1.0-17.
 Installer error log:
 Sun Mar 16 15:30:27 EST 2003
 03/16/03 15:31:34 : error: failed dependencies:  =

 libreadline.so.4.1 is needed by dump-0.4b21-3  =

 libreadline.so.4.1 is needed by mysql-3.23.54a-3.71  =

 libreadline.so.4.1 is needed by python-1.5.2-43.71  =


 ##

 libreadline.so.4.1 is from their downloaded package
 readline-devel-4.2-2.i386.rpm .

 How do I get this install to go without having to worry about rpm depende=
 ncies
 ?? =


 If anyone needs to know how my problem originated from the beginning plea=
 se
 review this post

 http://forum.rackshack.net/showthread.php?s=3Dpostid=3D124109#post124109=


 I am user learner there.

 Cheers

 Louis.

Hi Louis,

Your error message is telling you that you already have the following
packages installed which depend on version 4.1 of readline:

dump-0.4b21-3
mysql-3.23.54a-3.71
python-1.5.2-43.71

Listed below are some options to fix this problem.


1) Do you need these three packages?

To find out what a package does, use

rpm -qi packagename

You may find that you don't need these particular packages. If you don't
need them, you can remove them from your system, then install readline
without problems.

If you don't need them today, but feel you might need them in the future,
uninstall them then refer to option 4 below.

***

2) Upgrade these packages. The versions you list appear to be the latest for
RedHat 7.x, however there are later releases. Try looking on rpm.net for
later versions:

dump-0.4b28-4.i386.rpm
python-2.2.1-17.i386.rpm

These are the latest RedHat 8.0 releases. There are even later releases,
however they may not fit into a RedHat system. If you do use the RedHat 8
releases, you should probably check that they put the files in the same
places as per the RedHat 7.x releases. For example, in RedHat version 7, the
dump program itself is stored in /sbin/dump.  If this location changed in
RedHat version 8 (I am not saying it did, just giving an example), then any
scripts that rely on the location of the dump program would fail.

The latest RedHat (any release) of MySQL is 3.23.54. There is a later
version of MySQL, however you would have to get the generic version that
MySQL themselves packaged:

MySQL-4.0.1-2.i386.rpm

This may cause havoc if you already have data in the MySQL database, or if
you upgrade to this release, put data into it, then later try to go back to
the RedHat endorsed RPMs. A better way may be to recompile version 3.23.54
for the version of readline that you are installing (see item 4).

Normally when you do an upgrade, you get a circular problem with version
numbers. You cannot upgrade readline because dump requires the old version.
You may not be able to upgrade dump because the newer version may require
the newer version of readline. Catch-22. To get around this, you list all
the packages in the one upgrade statement:

rpm -Uvh readline-4.3-3.i386.rpm  dump-0.4b28-4.i386.rpm
MySQL-4.0.1-2.i386.html python-2.2.1-17.i386.rpm

Note: do not do a rpm -U *.rpm. The -U option does an install if a package
is not already installed.

***

3) You can force rpm to ignore the dependency by giving the --no-deps option
in your install command. Since you are only doing a minor upgrade of
readline, this _MAY_ work, however it is generally not a good idea. You
would certainly have to test dump, mysql and python after doing the upgrade.

***

4) Possibly the best option is for you to recompile the current (for your
system) versions of the dump, mysql and python rpms for the version of
readline you are trying to install. That is:

install the latest version of readline (either by removing the other
three packages or by forcing the upgrade)

recompile each of the other 3 packages:

rpm --rebuild dump-0.4b21-3.src.rpm

install (or upgrade) the rebuilt version. If you forced the upgrade of
readline while leaving the other packages on your system, then you will need
to tell rpm to upgrade an already installed package. Ie:

rpm -Uvh --replacepkgs /usr/src/redhat/BUILD/i386/dump-0.4b21-3.rpm

***

No matter which of these you try, if you have data in your MySQL database,
then make sure you have a good backup.

I strongly recommend that you try this all on a test machine before doing it
on your live machine.

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[SLUG] EXT3 or HDD hardware problem?

2003-03-16 Thread Simon Wong
Hi Sluggers, long time no chat!

I'm looking after a Red Hat 7.3 machine that has an EXT3 fs on it.

I've had 2 fs lock-ups over the last week that I suspect are HDD
problems.

This was the message I got last:

Mar 17 18:27:25 firewall kernel: EXT3-fs warning (device ide0(3,1)):
ext3_clear_journal_err: Filesystem error recorded from previous
mount: IO failure

Can anyone suggest any tools for helping identify a HDD hardware
problem?

Or is it an EXT3 problem?

Thanks for any pointers. 

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[SLUG] SLUG Quiz

2003-03-16 Thread Tony Green
All,

To add to the joyous festivities of the AGM at the next SLUG meeting, we
are holding a quiz!

More details will be released in the next few days, but we thought it
would be good to get some list participation.

I'm looking for some questions which we can put to the teams.  Anything
geeky/nerdy will be fine, doesn't have to be linux related but try to
keep it around things you think SLUG members MAY know.

Email any you may have to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Greeno

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Re: [SLUG] SLUG Quiz

2003-03-16 Thread Ben Leslie
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Tony Green wrote:

 All,
 
 To add to the joyous festivities of the AGM at the next SLUG meeting, we
 are holding a quiz!
 
 More details will be released in the next few days, but we thought it
 would be good to get some list participation.
 
 I'm looking for some questions which we can put to the teams.  Anything
 geeky/nerdy will be fine, doesn't have to be linux related but try to
 keep it around things you think SLUG members MAY know.
 
 Email any you may have to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

So are people in the quiz prohibited from proposing questions?

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Re: [SLUG] SLUG Quiz

2003-03-16 Thread Tony Green
On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 10:43, Ben Leslie wrote:
 So are people in the quiz prohibited from proposing questions?

No, not at all.  I'm hoping to get a LOT of questions.  If you're chosen
to be on a team, your questions MAY be either removed or shifted to
ensure they go to the other team.

Greeno

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Re: [SLUG] iinet DSL + Debian

2003-03-16 Thread Kevin Saenz
I am with iinet, Do not use roaring penguin
It will not work.
you have to install on your linux box dhcpcd because
your adsl modem/router acts as a dhcpd server it will
assign your box an IP address then you just connect to

http://192.168.0.1 with moz and run through all the configuation
details.

then you have adsl with iinet

 Trying to get iiNet DSL working on my Linux box (debian)
 
 Very confused as to whats happening. I've googled the error, a few others
 have posted about it, but there are 0 replies.
 
 Most sites just say, install Roaring Penguin, install, run adsl-setup and
 then adsl-start. And it will work.
 
 Any assistance in thsi matter would be HUGELY appreciated.
 
 0030-AP:/# adsl-start
 TIMED OUT
 /usr/sbin/adsl-start: line 194: 351 Terminated $CONNECT $@ /de
 
 tcpdump on the if shows..
 
 05:02:48.319944 PPPoE PADI [Service-Name] [Host-Uniq UTF8]
 05:02:48.346910 PPPoE PADO [Service-Name] [AC-Name nct4-chatswood]
 [Host-Uniq UTF8]
 05:02:48.347424 PPPoE PADR [Service-Name] [Host-Uniq UTF8]
 05:02:48.379928 PPPoE PADS [ses 0x469] [Service-Name] [AC-Name
 nct4-chatswood] [Host-Uniq UTF8]
 05:02:48.381668 PPPoE PADT [ses 0x469] [Host-Uniq UTF8] [Generic-Error
 RP-PPPoE: System call error: Input/output error]
 
 Details.
 
 Latest version of Roaring Penguin
 DLink DSL-300 modem
 2.4.18 kernel
 
 TIA.
 Craig Mead
 

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Re: [SLUG] SLUG Quiz

2003-03-16 Thread Mary
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 10:43:59AM +1100, Ben Leslie wrote:
 So are people in the quiz prohibited from proposing questions?

I guess you could have a Team vs. Team challenge, where they put
questions to each other. With some kind of game theorectical thing like:
you get 2 points if you answer a question, but if the other team can't
answer x % of the questions, you *lose* 4 points for every question you
answered! That stops there being too many hard questions ;)

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Re: [SLUG] IE running on Linux - Suggestions

2003-03-16 Thread James Gregory
On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 12:38, Adam W wrote:

 I have been messing around with running IE using WINE, but after I got
 past a couple SHLWAPI.DLL not found and the like, when I run 'wine
 iexplore.exe' it just thinks for a bit and then returns to the prompt...

Apparently IE5.5 for nt can install cleanly with cvs wine - try that.

I've had IE5 for win98 running - installed win98 in a bochs VM,
installed IE5 from an Office CD lying around, mcopyed the bochs image to
a directory, and after a few .wine/config tweaks it pretty much just
worked.

There's a lot of cleaning up stuff happening in wine atm, you might find
a version from about 3 months ago more stable.

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Re: [SLUG] SLUG Quiz

2003-03-16 Thread Simon Wong
On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 09:40, Tony Green wrote:
 I'm looking for some questions which we can put to the teams.  Anything
 geeky/nerdy will be fine, doesn't have to be linux related but try to
 keep it around things you think SLUG members MAY know.

One of the recent APC mags had a large number in their National Geek IQ
test...I think it was the Feb issue.


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[SLUG] Canon driver

2003-03-16 Thread Kevin Waterson
Does anyone know of a driver for the Canon S200SP printer?
I am using RedHat 8.0 and no driver is available and the 
others do not do the color well.

Kind regards
Kevin

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Re: [SLUG] Canon driver

2003-03-16 Thread Tony Green
On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 12:38, Kevin Waterson wrote:
 Does anyone know of a driver for the Canon S200SP printer?
 I am using RedHat 8.0 and no driver is available and the 
 others do not do the color well.
 
http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-S200

Doesn't sound hopeful.

Greeno

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Re: [SLUG] Canon driver

2003-03-16 Thread Adam Hewitt
Hi Kevin,

As you can see here:
http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-S200

Your printer is a paperweight...they good news is that this site will
help you to choose a new printer

Cheers,

Adam.

On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 12:38, Kevin Waterson wrote:
 Does anyone know of a driver for the Canon S200SP printer?
 I am using RedHat 8.0 and no driver is available and the 
 others do not do the color well.
 
 Kind regards
 Kevin
 
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Re: [SLUG] Canon driver

2003-03-16 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp,
Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 p.s. 10 line sig??

you right, the message of peace needs to equal the cry for war.
I will make it larger

Kevin

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Re: [SLUG] Canon driver

2003-03-16 Thread Anthony Wood
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 01:04:11PM +1100, Kevin Waterson wrote:
 This one time, at band camp,
 Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  p.s. 10 line sig??
 
 you right, the message of peace needs to equal the cry for war.
 I will make it larger

Here ya Go:

font size=5000Peace/font


 
 Kevin
 
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Re: [SLUG] IE running on Linux - Suggestions

2003-03-16 Thread Mike MacCana
IE 5.5 works perfectly under Codeweavers Crossover Office (as does
Office 2000, Lotus notes, and various other apps) with official support
from the company. IE6 also works on the current Crossover, unofficially.

Official IE6, Photoshop 7, and Office XP support will come in Crossover
Office 2.0, due in April.

Mike

On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 12:00, James Gregory wrote:
 On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 12:38, Adam W wrote:
 
  I have been messing around with running IE using WINE, but after I got
  past a couple SHLWAPI.DLL not found and the like, when I run 'wine
  iexplore.exe' it just thinks for a bit and then returns to the prompt...
 
 Apparently IE5.5 for nt can install cleanly with cvs wine - try that.
 
 I've had IE5 for win98 running - installed win98 in a bochs VM,
 installed IE5 from an Office CD lying around, mcopyed the bochs image to
 a directory, and after a few .wine/config tweaks it pretty much just
 worked.
 
 There's a lot of cleaning up stuff happening in wine atm, you might find
 a version from about 3 months ago more stable.
 
 James.
 
 
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RE: [SLUG] Canon driver

2003-03-16 Thread Jarrad P Kabral
C'mon, you gotta use proper XHTML/CSS

span style=font-size:120pt;PEACE!/span

:)


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Subject: Re: [SLUG] Canon driver


On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 01:04:11PM +1100, Kevin Waterson wrote:
 This one time, at band camp,
 Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  p.s. 10 line sig??
 
 you right, the message of peace needs to equal the cry for war. I will

 make it larger

Here ya Go:

font size=5000Peace/font


 
 Kevin
 
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Re: [SLUG] OpenOffice Australian Dictionary - work in progress

2003-03-16 Thread Michael Lake
Ken Foskey wrote:
 Any volunteers...
 
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  Subject: [discuss] Australian Dictionary -  work in progress
  Date: 16 Mar 2003 11:01:08 +1100
  My name is Kelvin and with the aid and guidance from Kevin Hendricks, I have been 
  putting together an Australian dictionary.
.
  1/ Add in Australian specific proper nouns and places and any other commonly used 
  Australian words that 
etc...
  Note also with words you need to provide all variations.  For example: dog, dogs 
  and dog's.
  I took the English GB dictionary.
  Had it unmunched by Kevin.
  Passed the resulting list through an Australian dictionary I have on my computer 
  and marked every word which was highlighted as incorrect. (About 30,000 to 40,000 
  keystrokes so I'm sure I picked the most inefficient method).
  Created two lists which was a valid list and an invalid list.
  Provided the valid list back to Kevin for munching
  That list is now our alpha dictionary which is posted on my website.

I applaud the effort but this does not sound like the right way to go.
It will never be complete and will always be rather out of date. The
best way would be to approach Macquarie University and contact the
people that actually compile the Macquarie Dictionary. Ask them to if
you can work with them on an Aust version for Open Office. I am sure
that will be only too happy to do that for free. After all they are
using public money.

That way the Aussie version of the Open Office dic will come out with
updated versions at the same time and be as complete and up-to-date as
the Macquarie Dictionary.

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[SLUG] winbind

2003-03-16 Thread mkraus
G'day all...

I've just set up winbind as according to 
http://www.mandrakeuser.org/docs/connect/csamba5.html and 
http://www.squid-cache.org/mail-archive/squid-dev/200207/att-0066/01-winbind.txt

# wbinfo -a MYDOMAIN\\myusername%mypassword
plaintext password authentication succeeded
challenge/response password authentication failed
Could not authenticate user MYDOMAIN\myusername%mypassword with 
challenge/response

Now, I installed samba and winbind as RPMs Would I be correct in 
assuming that the RPM wasn't built with --with-winbind-auth-challenge.?

I can provide further details upon request...

Thanks...

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Re: [SLUG] OpenOffice Australian Dictionary - work in progress

2003-03-16 Thread Del
I applaud the effort but this does not sound like the right way to go.
It will never be complete and will always be rather out of date. The
best way would be to approach Macquarie University and contact the
people that actually compile the Macquarie Dictionary. Ask them to if
you can work with them on an Aust version for Open Office. I am sure
that will be only too happy to do that for free. After all they are
using public money.
That way the Aussie version of the Open Office dic will come out with
updated versions at the same time and be as complete and up-to-date as
the Macquarie Dictionary.
I agree with that.

Alternatively you might want to use the Australian Oxford Dictionary
which is produced via the Australian National Dictionary Center
in Canberra.  The guy to talk to there is Dr Bruce Moore, their
main office number is 02 6125 2615.  They already have it ready
in various formats including SGML so it could probably be slurped
straight in via various tools if the OOo people wanted to do it
that way.
Don't bother calling them today, it's a public holiday in Canberra.
Try tomorrow.
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[SLUG] Squid, smb_auth and transparent proxying.

2003-03-16 Thread mkraus
G'day all,

I'm trialling using smb_auth for access to our squid proxy.

I'm using transparent proxying with squid, however I've found that this 
won't allow access to permitted users, and I have to point the browser at 
the proxy manually.

Is there a way to make smb_auth work with squid and transparent proxying?

Thanks

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Re: [SLUG] IE running on Linux - Suggestions

2003-03-16 Thread Chris Samuel
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 01:20:45PM +1100, Mike MacCana wrote:
 IE 5.5 works perfectly under Codeweavers Crossover Office (as does
 Office 2000, Lotus notes, and various other apps) with official support
 from the company. IE6 also works on the current Crossover, unofficially.
 
 Official IE6, Photoshop 7, and Office XP support will come in Crossover
 Office 2.0, due in April.

Got to agree with Mike, the Crossover Wine series is a pretty
neat tool, and their customer support is fairly good (they happily
admit to getting things wrong as well, which is quite refreshing!).

http://www.codeweavers.com/

Chris, just a happy customer, nothing more..
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Re: [SLUG] Squid, smb_auth and transparent proxying.

2003-03-16 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm using transparent proxying with squid, however I've found that this 
 won't allow access to permitted users, and I have to point the browser at 
 the proxy manually.
 
 Is there a way to make smb_auth work with squid and transparent proxying?

Can you make authentication work with other forms of squid authentication? 
Have you tried to do it using multiple browsers?

I'm wondering if, perhaps, since you haven't told the browser that it's
using a proxy if maybe it's seriously confused that it's being asked for a
proxy password when, from it's world view, there is no proxy...

If that's OK, I can't imagine why there'd be a problem.

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Re: [SLUG] Squid, smb_auth and transparent proxying.

2003-03-16 Thread Robert Collins
On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 17:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 G'day all,
 
 I'm trialling using smb_auth for access to our squid proxy.
 
 I'm using transparent proxying with squid, however I've found that this 
 won't allow access to permitted users, and I have to point the browser at 
 the proxy manually.
 
 Is there a way to make smb_auth work with squid and transparent proxying?

No. 

It's in the FAQ. IIRC it's in squid.conf.default. And it was on this
list about a week ago.

There is a theoretical approach, but no-one has had time to implement
it.

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Re: [SLUG] Squid, smb_auth and transparent proxying.

2003-03-16 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Robert Collins

  Is there a way to make smb_auth work with squid and transparent
  proxying?
 
 No. 
 
 It's in the FAQ. IIRC it's in squid.conf.default. And it was on this list
 about a week ago.
 
 There is a theoretical approach, but no-one has had time to implement it.

You can do it with NTLM though, can't you?

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Re: [SLUG] Squid, smb_auth and transparent proxying.

2003-03-16 Thread Kevin Saenz

 I'm trialling using smb_auth for access to our squid proxy.
 

I guess that is good for a small network what happens when the
network grows to a larger size and fixing acls for each user
in squid becomes a pain in the proverbial. But I can see an
up side given that Authentication through smb would be completely
transparent unlike ldap authentication with squid.

 I'm using transparent proxying with squid, however I've found that this 
 won't allow access to permitted users, and I have to point the browser at 
 the proxy manually.
 
Didn't someone previously post how much of a bad idea transparent
proxying is in the real world? (By redirecting port 80 to squid's ports)


 Is there a way to make smb_auth work with squid and transparent proxying?
 
obviously to authenticate with smb you must allow smb protocols
to your squid server.


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Re: [SLUG] Squid, smb_auth and transparent proxying.

2003-03-16 Thread Robert Collins
On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 17:21, Jeff Waugh wrote:
 quote who=Robert Collins
 
   Is there a way to make smb_auth work with squid and transparent
   proxying?
  
  No. 
  
  It's in the FAQ. IIRC it's in squid.conf.default. And it was on this list
  about a week ago.
  
  There is a theoretical approach, but no-one has had time to implement it.
 
 You can do it with NTLM though, can't you?

Nope.
http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/FAQ/FAQ-17.html#ss17.15

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Re: [SLUG] Squid, smb_auth and transparent proxying.

2003-03-16 Thread Anthony Wood
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 05:23:08PM +1100, Kevin Saenz wrote:
 
  I'm trialling using smb_auth for access to our squid proxy.
  
 
 I guess that is good for a small network what happens when the
 network grows to a larger size and fixing acls for each user
 in squid becomes a pain in the proverbial. But I can see an
 up side given that Authentication through smb would be completely
 transparent unlike ldap authentication with squid.
 
  I'm using transparent proxying with squid, however I've found that this 
  won't allow access to permitted users, and I have to point the browser at 
  the proxy manually.
  
 Didn't someone previously post how much of a bad idea transparent
 proxying is in the real world? (By redirecting port 80 to squid's ports)

Transparent Proxying OK
Proxy Authentication OK (403? Proxy Authorisation Required)

Transparent Proxy Authentication I read was bad, depends whether the
smb_auth thing sends Proxy Auth REquired to the browser, or if it
sends denied, based on other hacky things in the background.

Maybe it's OK with certain browsers.

cheers,
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Re: [SLUG] Squid, smb_auth and transparent proxying.

2003-03-16 Thread Robert Collins
On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 17:31, Anthony Wood wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 05:23:08PM +1100, Kevin Saenz wrote:
  
   I'm trialling using smb_auth for access to our squid proxy.
   
  
  I guess that is good for a small network what happens when the
  network grows to a larger size and fixing acls for each user
  in squid becomes a pain in the proverbial. But I can see an
  up side given that Authentication through smb would be completely
  transparent unlike ldap authentication with squid.
  
   I'm using transparent proxying with squid, however I've found that this 
   won't allow access to permitted users, and I have to point the browser at 
   the proxy manually.
   
  Didn't someone previously post how much of a bad idea transparent
  proxying is in the real world? (By redirecting port 80 to squid's ports)
 
 Transparent Proxying OK
 Proxy Authentication OK (403? Proxy Authorisation Required)
 
 Transparent Proxy Authentication I read was bad, depends whether the
 smb_auth thing sends Proxy Auth REquired to the browser, or if it
 sends denied, based on other hacky things in the background.
 
 Maybe it's OK with certain browsers.

Nope. Never. Full Stop. Finito. 

Interception and Authentication DO NOT MIX *without* a virtual
authentication server (which squid does not currently support).

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Re: [SLUG] winbind

2003-03-16 Thread Chris Samuel
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 02:51:53PM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Now, I installed samba and winbind as RPMs Would I be correct in 
 assuming that the RPM wasn't built with --with-winbind-auth-challenge.?

You should be able to tell by extracting the spec file from the source
RPM and seeing what it told configure to build it with.

If it's missing that then you may be able to change the spec file and
rebuild the RPM from the source RPM with those settings.

cheers!
Chris
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Re: [SLUG] ssh trouble

2003-03-16 Thread Chris Samuel
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 09:10:23AM +1100, Alan L Tyree wrote:
 Hi,
 I am trying to ssh into a U of Syd machine. The administrator tells me
 that they use PUTTY and have no problem. I suspect that he is on the
 other side of a firewall. When I try it:

That looks like they're using the tcp_wrapper support built into
SSH because we can see something accepting the connection and then
it is being dropped immediately.

You're system is not specified in /etc/hosts.allow, by the look
of things.

Chris
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Re: [SLUG] IE running on Linux - Suggestions

2003-03-16 Thread Chris Samuel
On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 03:48:50PM +1100, Phil Scarratt wrote:

 I read an article not too long ago that detailed a situation where one 
 of the MSN sites was feeding the Opera browser something different to 
 what it fed IE, so as to deliberately make them look stuffed, even 
 though copying the files fed to IE and looking at them with Opera worked 
 fine. Just another fine example of M$ strategy...I'll see if I can dig 
 up the article

Opera got their own back, they released a branch of Opera 7.0 for
Windows that when it was told to go to MSN.com shoved all the
output through the bork (Swedish Chef) filter. :-)

You can see the evidence at:

http://csamuel.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album08op=modloadname=galleryfile=indexinclude=view_album.php

Oh, and that's Opera 7-bork for Windows running under Crossover Office. :-)

cheers,
Chris
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Re: [SLUG] Squid, smb_auth and transparent proxying.

2003-03-16 Thread Robert Collins
On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 17:23, Kevin Saenz wrote:
  I'm trialling using smb_auth for access to our squid proxy.
  
 
 I guess that is good for a small network what happens when the
 network grows to a larger size and fixing acls for each user
 in squid becomes a pain in the proverbial. But I can see an
 up side given that Authentication through smb would be completely
 transparent unlike ldap authentication with squid.

smb != NTLM.
smb is a 'basic' scheme auth helper for squid.
you are referring to 'ntlm' scheme auth helpers, of which the samba
winbind one is one.

  I'm using transparent proxying with squid, however I've found that this 
  won't allow access to permitted users, and I have to point the browser at 
  the proxy manually.
  
 Didn't someone previously post how much of a bad idea transparent
 proxying is in the real world? (By redirecting port 80 to squid's ports)

That would be me.

 
  Is there a way to make smb_auth work with squid and transparent proxying?
  
 obviously to authenticate with smb you must allow smb protocols
 to your squid server.

Yep. I'll enlarge on this, the canonical answer:

when a client has it's TCP session hijacked, the only http
authentication it will do is server-authentication (prompted for by a
401 return code).

If the hijacking proxy uses that to force authentication, it will
a) need to do it for every different website browsed too,
b) break any website that uses authentication.

Thus, to get authentication working on your local proxy, you MUST NOT
use tcp hijacking.

There is an even more substantial answer in the archives a few weeks
back.

Rob

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Re: [SLUG] EXT3 or HDD hardware problem?

2003-03-16 Thread Chris Samuel
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 09:19:24AM +1000, Simon Wong wrote:

 I'm looking after a Red Hat 7.3 machine that has an EXT3 fs on it.
 
 I've had 2 fs lock-ups over the last week that I suspect are HDD
 problems.

Oh dear.. (had a spate of them myself recently, thank ghods for backups!)
 
 This was the message I got last:
 
 Mar 17 18:27:25 firewall kernel: EXT3-fs warning (device ide0(3,1)):
 ext3_clear_journal_err: Filesystem error recorded from previous
 mount: IO failure

That's the ext3 fs telling you that last time the filesystem was mounted
there was an IO error of some sort, and that no fsck has happened in
between to clear the error.
 
 Can anyone suggest any tools for helping identify a HDD hardware
 problem?

If the harddrive supports SMART then there is a SMART program for Linux
(Mandrake packages it as ide-smart, I suspect Deadrat will be the same).

You will then be able to query the electronics of the drive to find
out what it thinks its state is.
 
 Or is it an EXT3 problem?

Not sure, without some evidence from the logs it's hard to speculate.
No matter what, it's certainly time for regular backups!
 
 Thanks for any pointers. 

Good luck!
Chris
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