Re: [SLUG] enable command....

2003-11-30 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 11:02:01AM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said
 Hi All,
 I have debian Woody installed, and noticed something a little odd
 There is two enable commands, one appears to be a bash builtin, and the 
 other for  enabling printers in cups.
 lotus-server:~# enable kyocera
 bash: enable: kyocera: not a shell builtin
 lotus-server:~# /usr/bin/enable kyocera
 lotus-server:~#
 
 Is this right?? I was under the impression you should never have two 
 different commands with the same name.
 The cups documentation mentions nothing about conflicting with the bash 
 shell enable command - so it took me a while for the first time to work 
 out while I couldn't enable my printer.

As an aside, the Debian cups packages links to cupsenable and
cupsdisable to the enable and disable in /usr/bin/.

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Re: [SLUG] Online banking

2003-11-30 Thread Matthew Davidson
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 04:56:19PM +1100, Benno wrote:
 I was wondering what peoples current experiences with online
 banking is. I'm currently successfully using commonwealth netbank,
 and ingdirect however for various reasons I am currently looking 
 at other alternatives. So what other banks have netbanking that
 works with linux browsers?

Can't pass up an opportunity to plug Mozilla/Firebird.

I'm with a credit union that uses http://www.netteller.org.  It uses 
JavaScript browser sniffing that can be circumvented with the User Agent 
Switcher extension to Firebird and Mozilla:

http://chrispederick.myacen.com/work/firebird/useragentswitcher/

I've been using it for a while with no noticeable problems.  I also sent 
a politely-worded complaint about the practice of coding for browsers 
rather than standards, for all the good it will do.

Matthew.

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[SLUG] Whats sets log rotation /etc/logrotate.d/apache-perl or etc/cron.daily entries?

2003-11-30 Thread Michael Lake
Hi all

I am a bit confused about log rotation.

I have /etc/logrotate.d/apache-perl config file.
That sets log rotation to be:
weekly
rotate 7
But there is also in /etc/cron.daily an apache-perl script.
There is no apache-perl script in cron.weekly
1. Whats sets the log rotate times?
2. Do I need to HUP anything for changes in /etc/logrotate.d/apache-perl 
config file?

Mike

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[SLUG] rndc: connect failed: connection refused

2003-11-30 Thread David

I'm trying to reload BIND9  when I began getting this message.

I've read /usr/share/docs/bind9/README.Debian and followed the
instructions but to no avail. This service was last started when I did a
security upgrade (woody) 48 days ago and there didn't appear to be a
problem. I've done other reloads without any issues.

I've got a spare debian woody box so I did a fresh install of bind which
worked fine. I've done a fair bit of googling and found plenty of
references but nothing very useful. There is a Redhat page describing how
to set up rndc.conf and keys:

http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/ref-guide/s1-bind-rndc.html

...so I followed that on my spare box and it worked perfectly. I copied
the changes over onto my production box but to no avail. Both boxes are
running the same version of BIND.


If anyone could tell me what i've stuffed up I would be eternally
grateful.

David.

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[SLUG] CAD programmes

2003-11-30 Thread doug
Hi all,
  has anyone any recommendations as to a CAD program that I can draw up a 
house in 3D if possible? (I would like something with not too steep a 
learning curve, but with good Autocad file compatability so I dont want 
much!)

regards Doug

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Re: [SLUG] Hardware

2003-11-30 Thread Phil Scarratt
Michael Lake wrote:

Got it!! www.linuxprinting.org is the answer


and for scanners see http://www.sane-project.org/
It will list scanners and how much they are supored and links to the 
drivers.

Mike
Knew there was one around for scanners but couldn't remember it either 
and forgot to go looking

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[SLUG] unable to spellcheck in 00 adn Mozilla

2003-11-30 Thread Russell Davie
Hi all
I'm having probs getting the spell checking to work in Open Office 
1.1.0-2 and in Mozilla mail 1.5-2.
aparently these two packages use the same spellchecker
this box is running debian
thanks in advance
Russell

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[SLUG] Re:more smoothwall questions.

2003-11-30 Thread Jasper streit
Hi Shaun,
If you get Optus broadband, its very easy to setup a router machine 
with two network cards (if you have an ethernet modem) or if you have a 
usb modem- skip the second network card. for verification you simply 
need to name your router as your Optus account name- i believe that 
they use your modems serial as the other part of the verification (i 
could be wrong on this).
If you make the fateful mistake (like i did) of choosing Telstra, then 
the verification process becomes more complex.
Anyway, the setup i have is a dedicated old machine (for smoothwall a 
500Mb HD is more than enough, i run a 200Mhz cpu) which sits between 
the modem and the switch with DHCP enabled- it has worked for me for 
quite some time. and apart from having to restart the smoothwall box 
every 3-4 months, id say its fairly solid.
(mind you, i intend to try out IpCop soon enough)

As for the linespeed question.. i really don't know the answer, maybe 
ping???
cheers,
Jasper

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Date: 29 November 2003 9:02:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [SLUG] more smoothwall questions.
ok my reason for this post is 2 fold.
1. first and foremost can one get an indication of one's linespeed with
smoothwall if so how or where,
2. I'm seriously considering optus cable within the next few months. 
how
can I set it up to be accessable by all the computers on my network? 
or,
can I just connect it to the uplink on my hub I have here and designate
1 machine as the router?
thanks in advance for any and all answers.

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Re: [SLUG] keys for digital signature

2003-11-30 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Sun, Nov 30, 2003, Robert Collins wrote:
 If you don't want to sign it, then you can choose to trust one of the
 people that have signed it. 

Or you can choose not to trust them at all. (Mwahahaha!)

The word trust in this context means I trust that this person, before
signing a key, would be as paranoid as I desire about checking that that
key belongs to that person, and that person is who they claim to be,
which is why you shouldn't be trusting of many of the keys in your key
ring.

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[SLUG] wacom digitizers and linux

2003-11-30 Thread Alex Sutcliffe
Hi,

I was just wondering if anyone has a wacom graphire2 digitizer working
under linux. I know there are drivers provided by the linux wacom
project.

I was thinking of buying myself one for christmas but wondered how well
it might work, especially with the gimp.

Alex
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[SLUG] Favourite virtual host

2003-11-30 Thread Viveka
Good hello everyone, I'm new. Nice place you have here.

I wondered whether some of you Sluggers might have some words of advice 
for a young fellow seeking a new Linux or BSD-based virtual hosting 
company.

I currently use pair.net in the US, due to the absurd price of 
bandwidth in Oz.
My requirements aren't enough to need a colo, so virtual hosting makes 
sense.
I route my mail through a server in Oz... I'll talk about that in a 
separate post.

Pair run a fairly tight BSD setup. They're reliable. Ping times are OK  
but not fantastic, they're not in Palo Alto.
I have shell access, and I can add extra domains to the account (each 
with their own web, ftp and cgi) for $1 extra/month each. I have ten 
domains there at the moment.

However:
Pair allow two mailman lists per account; i would like more. Not 
high-traffic; most are small project-related things.
They're not particularly friendly towards Python, which I'm just 
starting to enjoy.

So - any recommendations? What's your favourite virtual host? If 
they're aware of Python/Zope/Plone, so much the better.

Regards,

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Re: [SLUG] Online banking

2003-11-30 Thread Andrew Bennetts
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:20:07AM +1100, Benno wrote:
 On Mon Dec 01, 2003 at 09:18:42 +1100, Matthew Davidson wrote:
[...]
 
 Can't pass up an opportunity to plug Mozilla/Firebird.
 
 Can't pass up the opportunity to bitch about web browsers. First Galeon,
 and now Mozilla/Firebird have to go and remap middle click from 
 go to url in clipboard to `pop up some really annoying thing that makes
 the mouse do weird things' (apparently this is copying some IE functionality??).

You can disable that in Firebird, thankfully.  Go to Tools - Options -
Advanced - Browsing, and disable Use autoscrolling.

 Points will go to the first person to make a light weight interface to the gecko
 engine, get it into a debian package, and most importantly, doesn't then go
 on to make it totally bloated.

I haven't used it, but have you tried epiphany?

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Re: [SLUG] Online banking

2003-11-30 Thread Benno
On Mon Dec 01, 2003 at 09:18:42 +1100, Matthew Davidson wrote:
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 04:56:19PM +1100, Benno wrote:
 I was wondering what peoples current experiences with online
 banking is. I'm currently successfully using commonwealth netbank,
 and ingdirect however for various reasons I am currently looking 
 at other alternatives. So what other banks have netbanking that
 works with linux browsers?

Can't pass up an opportunity to plug Mozilla/Firebird.

Can't pass up the opportunity to bitch about web browsers. First Galeon,
and now Mozilla/Firebird have to go and remap middle click from 
go to url in clipboard to `pop up some really annoying thing that makes
the mouse do weird things' (apparently this is copying some IE functionality??).

Points will go to the first person to make a light weight interface to the gecko
engine, get it into a debian package, and most importantly, doesn't then go
on to make it totally bloated.

/rant

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Re: [SLUG] Online banking

2003-11-30 Thread Ian Wienand
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:20:07AM +1100, Benno wrote:
 Points will go to the first person to make a light weight interface to the gecko
 engine, get it into a debian package, and most importantly, doesn't then go
 on to make it totally bloated.

epiphany?

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Re: [SLUG] Online banking

2003-11-30 Thread Conrad Parker
On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 07:13:21PM +1100, Richard Neal wrote:
 This might help its a list of banks versus browser compatibility, note
 its not just for Australia but the world, 
 
 Also if anyone uses web banking check to make sure the results that are
 listed are correct.
 
 http://www.starnix.com/banks-n-browsers.html

nice!

mostly still correct (but eg. commbank no longer needs java)

also check out some idiot fish's rambling comparison in linmagau:

http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexreq=viewarticleartid=321page=1

and anthony rumble's howto on the subject:
http://www.linuxhelp.com.au/electronic-banking/Electronic-Banking-HOWTO-3.html

Kfish.

 
 On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 16:56, Benno wrote:
  Hi all,
  
  I was wondering what peoples current experiences with online
  banking is. I'm currently successfully using commonwealth netbank,
  and ingdirect however for various reasons I am currently looking 
  at other alternatives. So what other banks have netbanking that
  works with linux browsers?
  
  Cheers,
  
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Re: [SLUG] Online banking

2003-11-30 Thread Benno
On Mon Dec 01, 2003 at 11:24:59 +1100, Andrew Bennetts wrote:
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:20:07AM +1100, Benno wrote:
 On Mon Dec 01, 2003 at 09:18:42 +1100, Matthew Davidson wrote:
[...]
 
 Can't pass up an opportunity to plug Mozilla/Firebird.
 
 Can't pass up the opportunity to bitch about web browsers. First Galeon,
 and now Mozilla/Firebird have to go and remap middle click from 
 go to url in clipboard to `pop up some really annoying thing that makes
 the mouse do weird things' (apparently this is copying some IE functionality??).

You can disable that in Firebird, thankfully.  Go to Tools - Options -
Advanced - Browsing, and disable Use autoscrolling.

Huzzah! I owe you a beer. I did look through those options but I was looking for
goto url on middle click; no idea it was called auto-scrolling

 Points will go to the first person to make a light weight interface to the gecko
 engine, get it into a debian package, and most importantly, doesn't then go
 on to make it totally bloated.

I haven't used it, but have you tried epiphany?

Yeah, it doesn't support middle click though :)

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Re: [SLUG] wacom digitizers and linux

2003-11-30 Thread DE LUCA Ben
I have had the serial based ones (NOT USB) working a year or two ago. The
USB ones were sort of supported at that time.

The guy who writes the driver was quite helpful.



 From: Alex Sutcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:19:36 +1100
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [SLUG] wacom digitizers and linux
 
 Hi,
 
 I was just wondering if anyone has a wacom graphire2 digitizer working
 under linux. I know there are drivers provided by the linux wacom
 project.
 
 I was thinking of buying myself one for christmas but wondered how well
 it might work, especially with the gimp.
 
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Re: [SLUG] Favourite virtual host

2003-11-30 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Viveka wrote:
I wondered whether some of you Sluggers might have some words of advice 
for a young fellow seeking a new Linux or BSD-based virtual hosting 
company.

My favourite Linux-based hosting company is Anchor, www.anchor.com.au.

They run their front page using Python, so there's no worries about
getting your Python site going there.

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Re: [SLUG] Whats sets log rotation /etc/logrotate.d/apache-perl or etc/cron.daily entries?

2003-11-30 Thread Michael Lake
Michael Lake wrote:

and now I have also seen /etc/apache/cron.conf taht sets daily rotation 
things and is mentioned in httpd.conf
Three places to set rotation ?

 I am a bit confused about log rotation.
 I have /etc/logrotate.d/apache-perl config file.
 That sets log rotation to be:
 weekly
 rotate 7
 
 But there is also in /etc/cron.daily an apache-perl script.
 There is no apache-perl script in cron.weekly
 
 1. Whats sets the log rotate times?
 2. Do I need to HUP anything for changes in /etc/logrotate.d/apache-perl 
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Re: [SLUG] SLUG End of Year Picnic

2003-11-30 Thread Grant Parnell
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Ken Foskey wrote:

 On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 16:09, Mary Gardiner wrote:
 
  Bicentennial Park is part of Sydney Olympic Park, and so is accessible
  by car, train and bus.
 
 This is the one with the good kids bike track isn't it?

Yeah I checked it out Saturday afternoon. See below.

In particular there's bike/footpaths all over the place that don't involve 
cars. There's a bike track with traffic markings to teach the youngsters 
in the Concord West bit. There's two totally awesome kids play areas... 
why don't they make these bigger so big kids can enjoy them too 
harrumph. 

As it turned out Cisco Systems had their company Xmass do (no I didn't 
gatecrash it) but they had a marquis  kids castles and Santa turned up as 
I was passing by - funny thing was some of the other non-cisco kids 
spotted him too and the parents were trying to explain why they couldn't 
go see him :-)

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Re: [SLUG] Scanning 35mm slides

2003-11-30 Thread Alexander Samad
What is the sort of cost involved in these beasties, are they scsi or do
they come is USB falvour as well.  Which would be better under unix

On Sat, Nov 29, 2003 at 09:08:41PM +1100, Peter Chubb wrote:
  Terry == Terry Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Terry Alan L Tyree wrote:
  Has anyone had any actual experience with scanning 35mm slides
  using Linux and any scanner? How well do they come out, etc, etc.
 
 Terry Yes. I used a a HP3C scanner with the transparency top from a
 Terry HP 6100C/T. I purchased it very cheaply to try and it worked.
 
 We regularly use a Nikon Coolscan here -- very acceptable results,
 although it's a bit pricey.  You get the equivalent of a 7Megapixel
 digital camera.  The infrared dust removal doesn't work as well under
 Linux as it does under that other OS, and the autofeeder for unmounted
 slides/negatives doesn't work at all under linux (no driver).  But if
 you can live with that, the raw optical quality is very good.
 
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Re: [SLUG] Whats sets log rotation /etc/logrotate.d/apache-perl or etc/cron.daily entries?

2003-11-30 Thread umug
Michael Lake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 and now I have also seen /etc/apache/cron.conf taht sets daily rotation 
 things and is mentioned in httpd.conf
 Three places to set rotation ?

don't forget savelog
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Re: [SLUG] Whats sets log rotation /etc/logrotate.d/apache-perl or etc/cron.daily entries?

2003-11-30 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Michael Lake wrote:
Michael Lake wrote:

and now I have also seen /etc/apache/cron.conf taht sets daily rotation 
things and is mentioned in httpd.conf
Three places to set rotation ?

Sounds messy.

What's in each of the files?  Perhaps the logrotate script takes care of
the rotation, and the cron.daily script just HUP's the webserver?  The
fragment of logrotate you posted doesn't seem to do the HUPing[1].

On our webservers, we do the entire rotation from logrotate, including
the HUP:

/var/log/httpd/*_log /var/log/httpd/*/*_log {
missingok
notifempty
sharedscripts
daily
rotate 365
compress
delaycompress
postrotate
/bin/kill -HUP `cat /var/run/httpd.pid 2/dev/null` 2 /dev/null || true   
 /usr/local/sbin/webalize || true
endscript
}

 1. Whats sets the log rotate times?
 2. Do I need to HUP anything for changes in /etc/logrotate.d/apache-perl 
 config file?

cron runs logrotate, and the cron.daily script, so:
- you don't need to restart anything
- somewhere in the maze of crontabs and fragments you'll find when the
  rotation is occurring


[1] SIGHUP, or Hangup, tells the webserver to close the logfile it's
writing to and reopen it.  Using the power of inodes, this means that
you (logrotate) can rename the file while apache is still logging to it,
and not lose any data.  Then when you've renamed it you tell Apache that
it needs to start writing to a new file by sending a SIGHUP to the
process; it closes the file descriptor it was writing to and creates a
file with the original name, and starts logging there.

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Re: [SLUG] Scanning 35mm slides

2003-11-30 Thread Michael Lake
Alexander Samad wrote:

 What is the sort of cost involved in these beasties, are they scsi or do
 they come is USB falvour as well.  Which would be better under unix

The Epson Perfection 2400 Photo is USB. Works fine.

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Re: iis vs apache - Re: [SLUG] win2003 vs samba

2003-11-30 Thread Simon Bryan

Malcolm V said:
 On Thu, 2003-11-27 at 22:12, David Kempe wrote:
 snipped
 miniplug
 Over here at Solutions First, we have put together a cd with apps just like
 this that we consider useful.
 You can get the contents here:
 http://cd.sol1.net/
 I am uploading the iso of the CD to here:
 http://cd.sol1.net/sol1giveawaycd.iso

 There is also this CD, http://pmw.myip.org/oss/ . I think there is also
 another such project but I can't find the link right now.


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[SLUG] good Oz-based mail host

2003-11-30 Thread Viveka
Good hello all,

I keep most of my stuff hosted in the the US, but I route all my mail 
through to an account that I keep going here in Oz.
This is at Webcentral, because there wasn't a lot of choice back when I 
first set this up.
I have Bigpond cable (got it prior to ADSL and haven't switched yet), 
and I don't trust Telstra's pop servers.

Webcentral's mail servers are getting flakier every day. They run NT; 
naturally I'd prefer a Linux-based mail provider.
And the spam problem is getting unmaneagable. A couple of my favourite 
email addresses have finally leaked to the evildoers, and the Bayesian 
filters are being successfully gamed by a larger proportion of the spam 
that hits my inbox every day. I do get useful mail from strangers 
fairly often, so I'm not up for switching to whitelists or setting up 
some prove-you're-a-human rigmarole. I'm pretty sure that if the latter 
takes off, we'll just start getting spam that pretends to be a prove 
you're a human message from someone we've mailed, just as we now get 
spam pretending to be bounce messages.
Even the of spam that gets caught by my filters is enough to give me 
pause; 20MB or so a week. It makes more sense to kill at least most of 
it at the server.

So: what's your favourite mail provider? Anyone using a dedicated mail 
service? Or should I just switch to ADSL and use my new ISP's servers?

Thanks,

V.
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Re: [SLUG] keys for digital signature

2003-11-30 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 09:02, Mary Gardiner wrote: 
 which is why you shouldn't be trusting of many of the keys in your key
 ring.

Of course, this is the whole reason for key signing events.

If you show me a copy of your key [fingerprint], and a copy of some
photo identification, and assert that they key and ID are yours, then I
have a reasonable grounds to go back to my keyring and say yes, I trust
that this key really is the digital public key of that person.

Doesn't mean you trust the person's *character*, just that you have been
reasonably convinced that the key matching that fingerprint really does
belong to that person, and so can trust that a digital signature made
with that key came from that person.

--

The process can stop there, but there is one more step. It can get a
touch complicated from here, but this is how a web of trust grows:

If we want, we can sign the other person's key indicating that we trust
it, and then send a copy to the other person. Each person can, if they
care to, submit these signatures to the public key servers; future
downloads of that public key will result in a key which carries along
with it these signatures from other people. 

So, ultimately, even if I don't know *you*, but your key is signed by
someone I *do* trust, then I have a reasonable assurance that you are
who you say you are.

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I've always wondered at what point this algorithm would break down under
it's own weight - assuming mass adoption of the OpenPGP key system world
wide, when would either keyring file size, complexity in the trustdb, or
length of time needed to validate signatures, cause the whole thing to
grind to a halt?

AfC


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Re: [SLUG] Online banking

2003-11-30 Thread mlh
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:24:59AM +1100, Andrew Bennetts wrote:
 On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:20:07AM +1100, Benno wrote:
 You can disable that in Firebird, thankfully.  Go to Tools - Options -
 Advanced - Browsing, and disable Use autoscrolling.

While you're at it, make the middle-button load a new page
in another tab in the background.  Your fingers, brain and
many other body parts will be pathetically grateful.

  Points will go to the first person to make a light weight interface to the gecko
  engine, get it into a debian package, and most importantly, doesn't then go
  on to make it totally bloated.
 
 I haven't used it, but have you tried epiphany?

Epiphany is not as mature as galeon, and mozilla
is getting better all the time.  I'll be sticking
with mozilla from now on in I think.

Matt

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Re: [SLUG] keys for digital signature

2003-11-30 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003, Andrew Cowie wrote:
 On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 09:02, Mary Gardiner wrote: 
  which is why you shouldn't be trusting of many of the keys in your
  key ring.
 
 Of course, this is the whole reason for key signing events.
 
 If you show me a copy of your key [fingerprint], and a copy of some
 photo identification, and assert that they key and ID are yours, then
 I have a reasonable grounds to go back to my keyring and say yes, I
 trust that this key really is the digital public key of that person.

That's what *signing* the key indicates.

Adding a *trust level* to that key not only means yes, I trust that
this key really is the digital public key of that person but yes, I
trust that any keys signed by this key are signed after the key owner
exercises due caution about people's identities. It's transitive -- I
trust X, and then if X signs Y's key I trust that Y's key is
authenticate *even though I never did the ID check myself*.

Therefore, I trust person X's key only when I'm sure X is as paranoid as
me about ID checking. Just seeing X's photo ID doesn't tell me that.
Just because you have certified that key 1024D/77625870 is my public key
by checking my ID and so on doesn't meant that you should trust me to
check other people's ID for you.

So as far as I can tell, public key signing does nothing to tell me
whether I should trust people to sign other people's keys or not. It
just tells me whether *I* should sign their key.

FWIW, I don't like the word trust being used to describe this
relationship between myself and X -- it's too overloaded and you get the
same thing as you get with LiveJournal friends lists -- people taking
it as a mark of X is a decent person/X is my friend.

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] good Oz-based mail host

2003-11-30 Thread Grant Parnell
Read both your posts sounds like you could go with a Linux virtual 
machine, I did some research on this a while back. About US$25/month with 
some included bandwidth buys you a User Mode Linux virtual machine. If the 
websites aren't hit too much you could do it. I think the catch was the 
limited space they give you, about 2GB of disk but it depends who you go 
with.

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Viveka wrote:

 Good hello all,
 
 I keep most of my stuff hosted in the the US, but I route all my mail 
 through to an account that I keep going here in Oz.
 This is at Webcentral, because there wasn't a lot of choice back when I 
 first set this up.
 I have Bigpond cable (got it prior to ADSL and haven't switched yet), 
 and I don't trust Telstra's pop servers.
 
 Webcentral's mail servers are getting flakier every day. They run NT; 
 naturally I'd prefer a Linux-based mail provider.
 And the spam problem is getting unmaneagable. A couple of my favourite 
 email addresses have finally leaked to the evildoers, and the Bayesian 
 filters are being successfully gamed by a larger proportion of the spam 
 that hits my inbox every day. I do get useful mail from strangers 
 fairly often, so I'm not up for switching to whitelists or setting up 
 some prove-you're-a-human rigmarole. I'm pretty sure that if the latter 
 takes off, we'll just start getting spam that pretends to be a prove 
 you're a human message from someone we've mailed, just as we now get 
 spam pretending to be bounce messages.
 Even the of spam that gets caught by my filters is enough to give me 
 pause; 20MB or so a week. It makes more sense to kill at least most of 
 it at the server.
 
 So: what's your favourite mail provider? Anyone using a dedicated mail 
 service? Or should I just switch to ADSL and use my new ISP's servers?
 
 Thanks,
 
 V.
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Re: [SLUG] rndc: connect failed: connection refused

2003-11-30 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=David

 I'm trying to reload BIND9  when I began getting this message.

 If anyone could tell me what i've stuffed up I would be eternally
 grateful.

I did all of these same things, then thought screw it, a fresh install
won't hurt. apt-get remove --purge bind9, apt-get install bind9. Everybody
happy. Make sure you keep your bind-packaged config files handy, though the
others will happily stay put.

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Re: [SLUG] rndc: connect failed: connection refused

2003-11-30 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, David wrote:
If anyone could tell me what i've stuffed up I would be eternally
grateful.

Was bind listening on 127.0.0.1:953 ?  Did you have anything about
rndc.key in your named.conf?

rndc talks to named over a socket, and sometimes that control socket is
restricted with a key too.

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Virtual Machines (Re: [SLUG] good Oz-based mail host)

2003-11-30 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003, Grant Parnell wrote:
 Read both your posts sounds like you could go with a Linux virtual
 machine, I did some research on this a while back. About US$25/month
 with some included bandwidth buys you a User Mode Linux virtual
 machine. If the websites aren't hit too much you could do it. I think
 the catch was the limited space they give you, about 2GB of disk but
 it depends who you go with.

For people who don't know, a Linux virtual machine, as distinct from a
virtual host, is a server you have root on. You can add users, install
programs, administer your own webserver (this will mean you can have as
many hosts as you like...) and so on.

It is called a virtual machine because it is not a physical server.
Rather, it is a program running on a physical server that acts like a
server itself. Having 20 or so virtual machines on a single physical
server means that you can have a virtual machine for a fraction of the
price of a physical server. (Mine is US$20/month.)

You will want to be reasonably sure you can handle the administrative
basics of a Linux server if you choose this option. It's almost
certainly overkill if you just want a mailbox, but if you have websites
and mailboxes and are sick of the restrictions of virtual hosting (only
X number of domains, only Y number of mailboxes, only Z number of shell
accounts) then a virtual machine is the next step -- and it costs about
the same as a virtual hosting account with lots of diskspace.

Bytemark Hosting have a virtual machine versus co-located server page:
http://www.bytemark-hosting.co.uk/vmhosting/compare.html

Full disclosure: I run a Bytemark virtual server purchased through
http://jvds.com/ -- but as far as I'm aware I don't get referral
discounts :)

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Re: Virtual Machines (Re: [SLUG] good Oz-based mail host)

2003-11-30 Thread Jeff Waugh
quote who=Mary Gardiner

 Full disclosure: I run a Bytemark virtual server purchased through
 http://jvds.com/ -- but as far as I'm aware I don't get referral discounts
 :)

But maintainers or significantly contributors to FOSS projects receive a
discount from Bytemark (and their US partners). Ahr, bonus. That should
inspire everyone to get involved! ;-)

- Jeff

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