Re: [SLUG] enable command....
On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 11:02:01AM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said Hi All, I have debian Woody installed, and noticed something a little odd There is two enable commands, one appears to be a bash builtin, and the other for enabling printers in cups. lotus-server:~# enable kyocera bash: enable: kyocera: not a shell builtin lotus-server:~# /usr/bin/enable kyocera lotus-server:~# Is this right?? I was under the impression you should never have two different commands with the same name. The cups documentation mentions nothing about conflicting with the bash shell enable command - so it took me a while for the first time to work out while I couldn't enable my printer. As an aside, the Debian cups packages links to cupsenable and cupsdisable to the enable and disable in /usr/bin/. -- Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Do I look like I want a CC? Words of the day: 64 Vauxhall Cross Montenegro ANC Soviet Ron Brown FTS2000 signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Online banking
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 04:56:19PM +1100, Benno wrote: I was wondering what peoples current experiences with online banking is. I'm currently successfully using commonwealth netbank, and ingdirect however for various reasons I am currently looking at other alternatives. So what other banks have netbanking that works with linux browsers? Can't pass up an opportunity to plug Mozilla/Firebird. I'm with a credit union that uses http://www.netteller.org. It uses JavaScript browser sniffing that can be circumvented with the User Agent Switcher extension to Firebird and Mozilla: http://chrispederick.myacen.com/work/firebird/useragentswitcher/ I've been using it for a while with no noticeable problems. I also sent a politely-worded complaint about the practice of coding for browsers rather than standards, for all the good it will do. Matthew. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Whats sets log rotation /etc/logrotate.d/apache-perl or etc/cron.daily entries?
Hi all I am a bit confused about log rotation. I have /etc/logrotate.d/apache-perl config file. That sets log rotation to be: weekly rotate 7 But there is also in /etc/cron.daily an apache-perl script. There is no apache-perl script in cron.weekly 1. Whats sets the log rotate times? 2. Do I need to HUP anything for changes in /etc/logrotate.d/apache-perl config file? Mike Mike Lake Caver, Linux enthusiast and interested in anything technical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] rndc: connect failed: connection refused
I'm trying to reload BIND9 when I began getting this message. I've read /usr/share/docs/bind9/README.Debian and followed the instructions but to no avail. This service was last started when I did a security upgrade (woody) 48 days ago and there didn't appear to be a problem. I've done other reloads without any issues. I've got a spare debian woody box so I did a fresh install of bind which worked fine. I've done a fair bit of googling and found plenty of references but nothing very useful. There is a Redhat page describing how to set up rndc.conf and keys: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/ref-guide/s1-bind-rndc.html ...so I followed that on my spare box and it worked perfectly. I copied the changes over onto my production box but to no avail. Both boxes are running the same version of BIND. If anyone could tell me what i've stuffed up I would be eternally grateful. David. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] CAD programmes
Hi all, has anyone any recommendations as to a CAD program that I can draw up a house in 3D if possible? (I would like something with not too steep a learning curve, but with good Autocad file compatability so I dont want much!) regards Doug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hardware
Michael Lake wrote: Got it!! www.linuxprinting.org is the answer and for scanners see http://www.sane-project.org/ It will list scanners and how much they are supored and links to the drivers. Mike Knew there was one around for scanners but couldn't remember it either and forgot to go looking Fil -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] unable to spellcheck in 00 adn Mozilla
Hi all I'm having probs getting the spell checking to work in Open Office 1.1.0-2 and in Mozilla mail 1.5-2. aparently these two packages use the same spellchecker this box is running debian thanks in advance Russell -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re:more smoothwall questions.
Hi Shaun, If you get Optus broadband, its very easy to setup a router machine with two network cards (if you have an ethernet modem) or if you have a usb modem- skip the second network card. for verification you simply need to name your router as your Optus account name- i believe that they use your modems serial as the other part of the verification (i could be wrong on this). If you make the fateful mistake (like i did) of choosing Telstra, then the verification process becomes more complex. Anyway, the setup i have is a dedicated old machine (for smoothwall a 500Mb HD is more than enough, i run a 200Mhz cpu) which sits between the modem and the switch with DHCP enabled- it has worked for me for quite some time. and apart from having to restart the smoothwall box every 3-4 months, id say its fairly solid. (mind you, i intend to try out IpCop soon enough) As for the linespeed question.. i really don't know the answer, maybe ping??? cheers, Jasper On 29/11/2003, at 10:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Shaun Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 29 November 2003 9:02:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] more smoothwall questions. ok my reason for this post is 2 fold. 1. first and foremost can one get an indication of one's linespeed with smoothwall if so how or where, 2. I'm seriously considering optus cable within the next few months. how can I set it up to be accessable by all the computers on my network? or, can I just connect it to the uplink on my hub I have here and designate 1 machine as the router? thanks in advance for any and all answers. -- Shaun Oliver I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: http://www.minifang.com/~blindman/ IRC: irc.awesomechat.net: IRCNICK: blindman -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] keys for digital signature
On Sun, Nov 30, 2003, Robert Collins wrote: If you don't want to sign it, then you can choose to trust one of the people that have signed it. Or you can choose not to trust them at all. (Mwahahaha!) The word trust in this context means I trust that this person, before signing a key, would be as paranoid as I desire about checking that that key belongs to that person, and that person is who they claim to be, which is why you shouldn't be trusting of many of the keys in your key ring. -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] wacom digitizers and linux
Hi, I was just wondering if anyone has a wacom graphire2 digitizer working under linux. I know there are drivers provided by the linux wacom project. I was thinking of buying myself one for christmas but wondered how well it might work, especially with the gimp. Alex -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Favourite virtual host
Good hello everyone, I'm new. Nice place you have here. I wondered whether some of you Sluggers might have some words of advice for a young fellow seeking a new Linux or BSD-based virtual hosting company. I currently use pair.net in the US, due to the absurd price of bandwidth in Oz. My requirements aren't enough to need a colo, so virtual hosting makes sense. I route my mail through a server in Oz... I'll talk about that in a separate post. Pair run a fairly tight BSD setup. They're reliable. Ping times are OK but not fantastic, they're not in Palo Alto. I have shell access, and I can add extra domains to the account (each with their own web, ftp and cgi) for $1 extra/month each. I have ten domains there at the moment. However: Pair allow two mailman lists per account; i would like more. Not high-traffic; most are small project-related things. They're not particularly friendly towards Python, which I'm just starting to enjoy. So - any recommendations? What's your favourite virtual host? If they're aware of Python/Zope/Plone, so much the better. Regards, V. -- Viveka Weiley, Karmanaut. http://www.karmanaut.com | http://www.planet-earth.org http://www.MacWeb3D.org | http://sydney.siggraph.org.au hypermedia, virtual worlds, human interface, truth, beauty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Online banking
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:20:07AM +1100, Benno wrote: On Mon Dec 01, 2003 at 09:18:42 +1100, Matthew Davidson wrote: [...] Can't pass up an opportunity to plug Mozilla/Firebird. Can't pass up the opportunity to bitch about web browsers. First Galeon, and now Mozilla/Firebird have to go and remap middle click from go to url in clipboard to `pop up some really annoying thing that makes the mouse do weird things' (apparently this is copying some IE functionality??). You can disable that in Firebird, thankfully. Go to Tools - Options - Advanced - Browsing, and disable Use autoscrolling. Points will go to the first person to make a light weight interface to the gecko engine, get it into a debian package, and most importantly, doesn't then go on to make it totally bloated. I haven't used it, but have you tried epiphany? -Andrew. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Online banking
On Mon Dec 01, 2003 at 09:18:42 +1100, Matthew Davidson wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 04:56:19PM +1100, Benno wrote: I was wondering what peoples current experiences with online banking is. I'm currently successfully using commonwealth netbank, and ingdirect however for various reasons I am currently looking at other alternatives. So what other banks have netbanking that works with linux browsers? Can't pass up an opportunity to plug Mozilla/Firebird. Can't pass up the opportunity to bitch about web browsers. First Galeon, and now Mozilla/Firebird have to go and remap middle click from go to url in clipboard to `pop up some really annoying thing that makes the mouse do weird things' (apparently this is copying some IE functionality??). Points will go to the first person to make a light weight interface to the gecko engine, get it into a debian package, and most importantly, doesn't then go on to make it totally bloated. /rant Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Online banking
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:20:07AM +1100, Benno wrote: Points will go to the first person to make a light weight interface to the gecko engine, get it into a debian package, and most importantly, doesn't then go on to make it totally bloated. epiphany? -i [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Online banking
On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 07:13:21PM +1100, Richard Neal wrote: This might help its a list of banks versus browser compatibility, note its not just for Australia but the world, Also if anyone uses web banking check to make sure the results that are listed are correct. http://www.starnix.com/banks-n-browsers.html nice! mostly still correct (but eg. commbank no longer needs java) also check out some idiot fish's rambling comparison in linmagau: http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexreq=viewarticleartid=321page=1 and anthony rumble's howto on the subject: http://www.linuxhelp.com.au/electronic-banking/Electronic-Banking-HOWTO-3.html Kfish. On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 16:56, Benno wrote: Hi all, I was wondering what peoples current experiences with online banking is. I'm currently successfully using commonwealth netbank, and ingdirect however for various reasons I am currently looking at other alternatives. So what other banks have netbanking that works with linux browsers? Cheers, Benno -- GPLG GPLGPLGP GPLGPLGPLGP GPLGP GPL MICROSOFT GPLGP GPLGPLGPLGP GPLGPLGPL GPLGPL Richard Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Online banking
On Mon Dec 01, 2003 at 11:24:59 +1100, Andrew Bennetts wrote: On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:20:07AM +1100, Benno wrote: On Mon Dec 01, 2003 at 09:18:42 +1100, Matthew Davidson wrote: [...] Can't pass up an opportunity to plug Mozilla/Firebird. Can't pass up the opportunity to bitch about web browsers. First Galeon, and now Mozilla/Firebird have to go and remap middle click from go to url in clipboard to `pop up some really annoying thing that makes the mouse do weird things' (apparently this is copying some IE functionality??). You can disable that in Firebird, thankfully. Go to Tools - Options - Advanced - Browsing, and disable Use autoscrolling. Huzzah! I owe you a beer. I did look through those options but I was looking for goto url on middle click; no idea it was called auto-scrolling Points will go to the first person to make a light weight interface to the gecko engine, get it into a debian package, and most importantly, doesn't then go on to make it totally bloated. I haven't used it, but have you tried epiphany? Yeah, it doesn't support middle click though :) B -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] wacom digitizers and linux
I have had the serial based ones (NOT USB) working a year or two ago. The USB ones were sort of supported at that time. The guy who writes the driver was quite helpful. From: Alex Sutcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:19:36 +1100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] wacom digitizers and linux Hi, I was just wondering if anyone has a wacom graphire2 digitizer working under linux. I know there are drivers provided by the linux wacom project. I was thinking of buying myself one for christmas but wondered how well it might work, especially with the gimp. Alex -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Favourite virtual host
This one time, at band camp, Viveka wrote: I wondered whether some of you Sluggers might have some words of advice for a young fellow seeking a new Linux or BSD-based virtual hosting company. My favourite Linux-based hosting company is Anchor, www.anchor.com.au. They run their front page using Python, so there's no worries about getting your Python site going there. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Whats sets log rotation /etc/logrotate.d/apache-perl or etc/cron.daily entries?
Michael Lake wrote: and now I have also seen /etc/apache/cron.conf taht sets daily rotation things and is mentioned in httpd.conf Three places to set rotation ? I am a bit confused about log rotation. I have /etc/logrotate.d/apache-perl config file. That sets log rotation to be: weekly rotate 7 But there is also in /etc/cron.daily an apache-perl script. There is no apache-perl script in cron.weekly 1. Whats sets the log rotate times? 2. Do I need to HUP anything for changes in /etc/logrotate.d/apache-perl config file? -- Michael Lake Chemistry, Materials Forensic Science, UTS Ph: 9514 1724 Fx: 9514 1460 UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] SLUG End of Year Picnic
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Ken Foskey wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 16:09, Mary Gardiner wrote: Bicentennial Park is part of Sydney Olympic Park, and so is accessible by car, train and bus. This is the one with the good kids bike track isn't it? Yeah I checked it out Saturday afternoon. See below. In particular there's bike/footpaths all over the place that don't involve cars. There's a bike track with traffic markings to teach the youngsters in the Concord West bit. There's two totally awesome kids play areas... why don't they make these bigger so big kids can enjoy them too harrumph. As it turned out Cisco Systems had their company Xmass do (no I didn't gatecrash it) but they had a marquis kids castles and Santa turned up as I was passing by - funny thing was some of the other non-cisco kids spotted him too and the parents were trying to explain why they couldn't go see him :-) http://www.linuxhelp.com.au/~grant/bicentennial/ -- ---GRiP--- Electronic Hobbyist, Former Arcadia BBS nut, Occasional nudist, Linux Guru, SLUG/AUUG/Linux Australia member, Sydney Flashmobber, BMX rider, Walker, Raver rave music lover, Big kid that refuses to grow up. I'd make a good family pet, take me home today! Do people actually read these things? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Scanning 35mm slides
What is the sort of cost involved in these beasties, are they scsi or do they come is USB falvour as well. Which would be better under unix On Sat, Nov 29, 2003 at 09:08:41PM +1100, Peter Chubb wrote: Terry == Terry Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Terry Alan L Tyree wrote: Has anyone had any actual experience with scanning 35mm slides using Linux and any scanner? How well do they come out, etc, etc. Terry Yes. I used a a HP3C scanner with the transparency top from a Terry HP 6100C/T. I purchased it very cheaply to try and it worked. We regularly use a Nikon Coolscan here -- very acceptable results, although it's a bit pricey. You get the equivalent of a 7Megapixel digital camera. The infrared dust removal doesn't work as well under Linux as it does under that other OS, and the autofeeder for unmounted slides/negatives doesn't work at all under linux (no driver). But if you can live with that, the raw optical quality is very good. -- Dr Peter Chubb http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au peterc AT gelato.unsw.edu.au The technical we do immediately, the political takes *forever* -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Whats sets log rotation /etc/logrotate.d/apache-perl or etc/cron.daily entries?
Michael Lake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and now I have also seen /etc/apache/cron.conf taht sets daily rotation things and is mentioned in httpd.conf Three places to set rotation ? don't forget savelog -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Whats sets log rotation /etc/logrotate.d/apache-perl or etc/cron.daily entries?
This one time, at band camp, Michael Lake wrote:
Michael Lake wrote:
and now I have also seen /etc/apache/cron.conf taht sets daily rotation
things and is mentioned in httpd.conf
Three places to set rotation ?
Sounds messy.
What's in each of the files? Perhaps the logrotate script takes care of
the rotation, and the cron.daily script just HUP's the webserver? The
fragment of logrotate you posted doesn't seem to do the HUPing[1].
On our webservers, we do the entire rotation from logrotate, including
the HUP:
/var/log/httpd/*_log /var/log/httpd/*/*_log {
missingok
notifempty
sharedscripts
daily
rotate 365
compress
delaycompress
postrotate
/bin/kill -HUP `cat /var/run/httpd.pid 2/dev/null` 2 /dev/null || true
/usr/local/sbin/webalize || true
endscript
}
1. Whats sets the log rotate times?
2. Do I need to HUP anything for changes in /etc/logrotate.d/apache-perl
config file?
cron runs logrotate, and the cron.daily script, so:
- you don't need to restart anything
- somewhere in the maze of crontabs and fragments you'll find when the
rotation is occurring
[1] SIGHUP, or Hangup, tells the webserver to close the logfile it's
writing to and reopen it. Using the power of inodes, this means that
you (logrotate) can rename the file while apache is still logging to it,
and not lose any data. Then when you've renamed it you tell Apache that
it needs to start writing to a new file by sending a SIGHUP to the
process; it closes the file descriptor it was writing to and creates a
file with the original name, and starts logging there.
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Re: [SLUG] Scanning 35mm slides
Alexander Samad wrote: What is the sort of cost involved in these beasties, are they scsi or do they come is USB falvour as well. Which would be better under unix The Epson Perfection 2400 Photo is USB. Works fine. -- Michael Lake Chemistry, Materials Forensic Science, UTS Ph: 9514 1724 Fx: 9514 1460 UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F DISCLAIMER This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message or attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly, and with authority, states them to be the views the University of Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, please check them for viruses and defects. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: iis vs apache - Re: [SLUG] win2003 vs samba
Malcolm V said: On Thu, 2003-11-27 at 22:12, David Kempe wrote: snipped miniplug Over here at Solutions First, we have put together a cd with apps just like this that we consider useful. You can get the contents here: http://cd.sol1.net/ I am uploading the iso of the CD to here: http://cd.sol1.net/sol1giveawaycd.iso There is also this CD, http://pmw.myip.org/oss/ . I think there is also another such project but I can't find the link right now. GnuWinII is a CD of OS for Windows - http://gnugeneration.epfl.ch -- Simon Bryan IT Manager OLMC Parramatta -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] good Oz-based mail host
Good hello all, I keep most of my stuff hosted in the the US, but I route all my mail through to an account that I keep going here in Oz. This is at Webcentral, because there wasn't a lot of choice back when I first set this up. I have Bigpond cable (got it prior to ADSL and haven't switched yet), and I don't trust Telstra's pop servers. Webcentral's mail servers are getting flakier every day. They run NT; naturally I'd prefer a Linux-based mail provider. And the spam problem is getting unmaneagable. A couple of my favourite email addresses have finally leaked to the evildoers, and the Bayesian filters are being successfully gamed by a larger proportion of the spam that hits my inbox every day. I do get useful mail from strangers fairly often, so I'm not up for switching to whitelists or setting up some prove-you're-a-human rigmarole. I'm pretty sure that if the latter takes off, we'll just start getting spam that pretends to be a prove you're a human message from someone we've mailed, just as we now get spam pretending to be bounce messages. Even the of spam that gets caught by my filters is enough to give me pause; 20MB or so a week. It makes more sense to kill at least most of it at the server. So: what's your favourite mail provider? Anyone using a dedicated mail service? Or should I just switch to ADSL and use my new ISP's servers? Thanks, V. -- Viveka Weiley, Karmanaut. http://www.karmanaut.com | http://www.planet-earth.org http://www.MacWeb3D.org | http://sydney.siggraph.org.au hypermedia, virtual worlds, human interface, truth, beauty -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] keys for digital signature
On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 09:02, Mary Gardiner wrote: which is why you shouldn't be trusting of many of the keys in your key ring. Of course, this is the whole reason for key signing events. If you show me a copy of your key [fingerprint], and a copy of some photo identification, and assert that they key and ID are yours, then I have a reasonable grounds to go back to my keyring and say yes, I trust that this key really is the digital public key of that person. Doesn't mean you trust the person's *character*, just that you have been reasonably convinced that the key matching that fingerprint really does belong to that person, and so can trust that a digital signature made with that key came from that person. -- The process can stop there, but there is one more step. It can get a touch complicated from here, but this is how a web of trust grows: If we want, we can sign the other person's key indicating that we trust it, and then send a copy to the other person. Each person can, if they care to, submit these signatures to the public key servers; future downloads of that public key will result in a key which carries along with it these signatures from other people. So, ultimately, even if I don't know *you*, but your key is signed by someone I *do* trust, then I have a reasonable assurance that you are who you say you are. -- I've always wondered at what point this algorithm would break down under it's own weight - assuming mass adoption of the OpenPGP key system world wide, when would either keyring file size, complexity in the trustdb, or length of time needed to validate signatures, cause the whole thing to grind to a halt? AfC -- Andrew Frederick Cowie Operational Dynamics Consulting Pty Ltd Australia: +61 2 9977 6866 http://www.operationaldynamics.com/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Online banking
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:24:59AM +1100, Andrew Bennetts wrote: On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 11:20:07AM +1100, Benno wrote: You can disable that in Firebird, thankfully. Go to Tools - Options - Advanced - Browsing, and disable Use autoscrolling. While you're at it, make the middle-button load a new page in another tab in the background. Your fingers, brain and many other body parts will be pathetically grateful. Points will go to the first person to make a light weight interface to the gecko engine, get it into a debian package, and most importantly, doesn't then go on to make it totally bloated. I haven't used it, but have you tried epiphany? Epiphany is not as mature as galeon, and mozilla is getting better all the time. I'll be sticking with mozilla from now on in I think. Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] keys for digital signature
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003, Andrew Cowie wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 09:02, Mary Gardiner wrote: which is why you shouldn't be trusting of many of the keys in your key ring. Of course, this is the whole reason for key signing events. If you show me a copy of your key [fingerprint], and a copy of some photo identification, and assert that they key and ID are yours, then I have a reasonable grounds to go back to my keyring and say yes, I trust that this key really is the digital public key of that person. That's what *signing* the key indicates. Adding a *trust level* to that key not only means yes, I trust that this key really is the digital public key of that person but yes, I trust that any keys signed by this key are signed after the key owner exercises due caution about people's identities. It's transitive -- I trust X, and then if X signs Y's key I trust that Y's key is authenticate *even though I never did the ID check myself*. Therefore, I trust person X's key only when I'm sure X is as paranoid as me about ID checking. Just seeing X's photo ID doesn't tell me that. Just because you have certified that key 1024D/77625870 is my public key by checking my ID and so on doesn't meant that you should trust me to check other people's ID for you. So as far as I can tell, public key signing does nothing to tell me whether I should trust people to sign other people's keys or not. It just tells me whether *I* should sign their key. FWIW, I don't like the word trust being used to describe this relationship between myself and X -- it's too overloaded and you get the same thing as you get with LiveJournal friends lists -- people taking it as a mark of X is a decent person/X is my friend. -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] good Oz-based mail host
Read both your posts sounds like you could go with a Linux virtual machine, I did some research on this a while back. About US$25/month with some included bandwidth buys you a User Mode Linux virtual machine. If the websites aren't hit too much you could do it. I think the catch was the limited space they give you, about 2GB of disk but it depends who you go with. On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Viveka wrote: Good hello all, I keep most of my stuff hosted in the the US, but I route all my mail through to an account that I keep going here in Oz. This is at Webcentral, because there wasn't a lot of choice back when I first set this up. I have Bigpond cable (got it prior to ADSL and haven't switched yet), and I don't trust Telstra's pop servers. Webcentral's mail servers are getting flakier every day. They run NT; naturally I'd prefer a Linux-based mail provider. And the spam problem is getting unmaneagable. A couple of my favourite email addresses have finally leaked to the evildoers, and the Bayesian filters are being successfully gamed by a larger proportion of the spam that hits my inbox every day. I do get useful mail from strangers fairly often, so I'm not up for switching to whitelists or setting up some prove-you're-a-human rigmarole. I'm pretty sure that if the latter takes off, we'll just start getting spam that pretends to be a prove you're a human message from someone we've mailed, just as we now get spam pretending to be bounce messages. Even the of spam that gets caught by my filters is enough to give me pause; 20MB or so a week. It makes more sense to kill at least most of it at the server. So: what's your favourite mail provider? Anyone using a dedicated mail service? Or should I just switch to ADSL and use my new ISP's servers? Thanks, V. -- Viveka Weiley, Karmanaut. http://www.karmanaut.com | http://www.planet-earth.org http://www.MacWeb3D.org | http://sydney.siggraph.org.au hypermedia, virtual worlds, human interface, truth, beauty -- ---GRiP--- Electronic Hobbyist, Former Arcadia BBS nut, Occasional nudist, Linux Guru, SLUG/AUUG/Linux Australia member, Sydney Flashmobber, BMX rider, Walker, Raver rave music lover, Big kid that refuses to grow up. I'd make a good family pet, take me home today! Do people actually read these things? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] rndc: connect failed: connection refused
quote who=David I'm trying to reload BIND9 when I began getting this message. If anyone could tell me what i've stuffed up I would be eternally grateful. I did all of these same things, then thought screw it, a fresh install won't hurt. apt-get remove --purge bind9, apt-get install bind9. Everybody happy. Make sure you keep your bind-packaged config files handy, though the others will happily stay put. - Jeff -- GVADEC 2004: Kristiansand, Norwayhttp://2004.guadec.org/ It doesn't matter if it is good, it only matters if it rocks. - Tenacious D, Rock Your Socks -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] rndc: connect failed: connection refused
This one time, at band camp, David wrote: If anyone could tell me what i've stuffed up I would be eternally grateful. Was bind listening on 127.0.0.1:953 ? Did you have anything about rndc.key in your named.conf? rndc talks to named over a socket, and sometimes that control socket is restricted with a key too. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://spacepants.org/jaq.gpg -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Virtual Machines (Re: [SLUG] good Oz-based mail host)
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003, Grant Parnell wrote: Read both your posts sounds like you could go with a Linux virtual machine, I did some research on this a while back. About US$25/month with some included bandwidth buys you a User Mode Linux virtual machine. If the websites aren't hit too much you could do it. I think the catch was the limited space they give you, about 2GB of disk but it depends who you go with. For people who don't know, a Linux virtual machine, as distinct from a virtual host, is a server you have root on. You can add users, install programs, administer your own webserver (this will mean you can have as many hosts as you like...) and so on. It is called a virtual machine because it is not a physical server. Rather, it is a program running on a physical server that acts like a server itself. Having 20 or so virtual machines on a single physical server means that you can have a virtual machine for a fraction of the price of a physical server. (Mine is US$20/month.) You will want to be reasonably sure you can handle the administrative basics of a Linux server if you choose this option. It's almost certainly overkill if you just want a mailbox, but if you have websites and mailboxes and are sick of the restrictions of virtual hosting (only X number of domains, only Y number of mailboxes, only Z number of shell accounts) then a virtual machine is the next step -- and it costs about the same as a virtual hosting account with lots of diskspace. Bytemark Hosting have a virtual machine versus co-located server page: http://www.bytemark-hosting.co.uk/vmhosting/compare.html Full disclosure: I run a Bytemark virtual server purchased through http://jvds.com/ -- but as far as I'm aware I don't get referral discounts :) -Mary -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: Virtual Machines (Re: [SLUG] good Oz-based mail host)
quote who=Mary Gardiner Full disclosure: I run a Bytemark virtual server purchased through http://jvds.com/ -- but as far as I'm aware I don't get referral discounts :) But maintainers or significantly contributors to FOSS projects receive a discount from Bytemark (and their US partners). Ahr, bonus. That should inspire everyone to get involved! ;-) - Jeff -- Come to gnome.conf.au 2004! http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/2004/gnome.conf.au/ The Vines are the latest pretenders to the thrown. - Vines review by liv4now.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
