Re: [SLUG] SD Card support under Linux/DRM

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 25-02-2004 04:08:24 PM:
>
>> 
>> 
>> > Quick question - I was wondering whether there was a Linux/OS version 
>of
>> > some utils to transfer mp3 files to a SD card based mp3 player with 
>what
>> > appears to be DRM of some sort?
>> 
>> AFAIK, SD is an encumbered, zero-documentation format, and thus support 
>for
>> it is minimal at best. But, there could be some enterprising people 
>working
>> on it that I don't know about. ;-)
>
>If it wasn't for SD support in Linux, I would have a $700 piece of junk 
>Pentax Optio S4 Digital Camera!
>I haven't been able to mount the camera in Linux, it try's very hard but 
>then it complains about some command or something isn't implemented.
>The SD card however worked off the bat (well as soon as I compiled my SD 
>readers module).

I have the same camera, and the usb cable works very well for me!  If
you're using 2.6 the unusual_devs.h has been updated for it, but if
you're using 2.4.something then you'll want this patch:

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[PATCH] USB storage: Make Pentax Optio S4 work

The change below is needed to get the S4 camera working.
Tested with both Optio S/S4


 drivers/usb/storage/unusual_devs.h |4 ++--
 1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)


diff -Nru a/drivers/usb/storage/unusual_devs.h b/drivers/usb/storage/unusual_devs.h
--- a/drivers/usb/storage/unusual_devs.hFri Dec 12 15:07:41 2003
+++ b/drivers/usb/storage/unusual_devs.hFri Dec 12 15:07:41 2003
@@ -605,8 +605,8 @@
 /* Submitted by Per Winkvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> */
 UNUSUAL_DEV( 0x0a17, 0x006, 0x1000, 0x9009,
 "Pentax",
-"Optio S",
-US_SC_8070, US_PR_CBI, NULL,
+"Optio S/S4",
+US_SC_DEVICE, US_PR_DEVICE, NULL,
 US_FL_FIX_INQUIRY ),

 #ifdef CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_ISD200
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Re: [SLUG] SD Card support under Linux/DRM

[scott]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 25-02-2004 04:08:24 PM:

> 
> 
> > Quick question - I was wondering whether there was a Linux/OS version 
of
> > some utils to transfer mp3 files to a SD card based mp3 player with 
what
> > appears to be DRM of some sort?
> 
> AFAIK, SD is an encumbered, zero-documentation format, and thus support 
for
> it is minimal at best. But, there could be some enterprising people 
working
> on it that I don't know about. ;-)

If it wasn't for SD support in Linux, I would have a $700 piece of junk 
Pentax Optio S4 Digital Camera!
I haven't been able to mount the camera in Linux, it try's very hard but 
then it complains about some command or something isn't implemented.
The SD card however worked off the bat (well as soon as I compiled my SD 
readers module).

Cheers,

Scott

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Re: [SLUG] SD Card support under Linux/DRM

[scott]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 25-02-2004 04:13:11 PM:

> Greetings All,
> 
> Quick question - I was wondering whether there was a Linux/OS version of 

> some utils to transfer mp3 files to a SD card based mp3 player with what 

> appears to be DRM of some sort?
> 
> As it stands, I bought a Panasonic SV-SD80 - thinking that I could just 
> mount the SD card, and just copy files across to it - however, Panasonic 

> in all their Customer Focused Wisdom(tm) appear to require some horrid 
> windows only program called "Real Player Jukebox" to be able to use this 

> device at all...
> 
Have you tried installing Jukebox under wine?
Chances are it won't work, but it would be worth a try.
http://www.winehq.org

Cheers,

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Re: [SLUG] SD Card support under Linux/DRM

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:08:24 +1100
Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> > Quick question - I was wondering whether there was a Linux/OS version of
> > some utils to transfer mp3 files to a SD card based mp3 player with what
> > appears to be DRM of some sort?
> 
> AFAIK, SD is an encumbered, zero-documentation format, and thus support for
> it is minimal at best. But, there could be some enterprising people working
> on it that I don't know about. ;-)

I believe that SD cards are working on at least some models of the iPAQ running
Familiar Linux.

Check http://familiar.handhelds.org/

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Re: [SLUG] How to tell apt-get not to remove some packages when removing others

[Michael Lake]

Peter Hardy wrote:
> Rather than just building and installing from a source tarball, would it
> be possible for you to backport from unstable?  The advantage of that is
> that you end up with a .deb, meaning you don't break your dependency
> chain.  There's no guarantee, however, that the unstable package is the
> most recent.  But it will be fairly close. :-)

They are no later candidatates for either testing or unstable

testing & unstable are at: libdbi-perl 1.35-1 (out of date)
testing & unstable are at: libdbd-mysql-perl 2.9003-1 (up to date)

I have a tarball for DBI-perl at 1.41

Main reason why I need to install libdbd-mysql-perl from source is to 
compile it on my machine here and see if I get the segfault that the 
binary dist gets.

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Re: [SLUG] SD Card support under Linux/DRM

[Jeff Waugh]

> Quick question - I was wondering whether there was a Linux/OS version of
> some utils to transfer mp3 files to a SD card based mp3 player with what
> appears to be DRM of some sort?

AFAIK, SD is an encumbered, zero-documentation format, and thus support for
it is minimal at best. But, there could be some enterprising people working
on it that I don't know about. ;-)

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] Hyper Terminal Memory Refresh

[Peter Rundle]

Minicom, Minicom! Thankyou! gawd I was having a brain lockout!

Quoting Terry Collins
As already suggested minicom,
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[SLUG] SD Card support under Linux/DRM

[Umar Goldeli]

Greetings All,

Quick question - I was wondering whether there was a Linux/OS version of 
some utils to transfer mp3 files to a SD card based mp3 player with what 
appears to be DRM of some sort?

As it stands, I bought a Panasonic SV-SD80 - thinking that I could just 
mount the SD card, and just copy files across to it - however, Panasonic 
in all their Customer Focused Wisdom(tm) appear to require some horrid 
windows only program called "Real Player Jukebox" to be able to use this 
device at all...

As I am not very keen on installing windows just to run a silly program, I 
am stuck here with an $800 piece of shiny plastic which does nothing. :\

Very nice of them to mention nothing on the packaging either.. otherwise I 
would certainly not have bought it.. *groan*

Thanks in advance..

//umar.


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Re: [SLUG] Hyper Terminal Memory Refresh

[Terry Collins]

Peter Rundle wrote:

> What is the equivelent setup in Linux. I.E What application do I launch
> to talk to the modem, issue AT commands etc.

As already suggested minicom, plus a look in the Slug archives. I asked
this question last year and I think there was some additional stuff
sent.

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Re: [SLUG] Hyper Terminal Memory Refresh

[Tom Massey]

* Peter Rundle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-02-25 14:13]:
> 
> What is the equivelent setup in Linux. I.E What application do I launch 
> to talk to the modem, issue AT commands etc.

minicom might be what you're looking for.

Tom
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Re: [SLUG] How to tell apt-get not to remove some packages when removing others

[Peter Hardy]

Hi!

On Wed, 2004-02-25 at 13:52, Michael Lake wrote:
> Reason is that I have downloaded the latest src for libdbd-mysql-perl 
> and I wont to remove the apt-get one. I am going to compile from source 
> and see if that seg fault that I get on PPC platform is solved by a lter 
> version that what is available via debs.

Rather than just building and installing from a source tarball, would it
be possible for you to backport from unstable?  The advantage of that is
that you end up with a .deb, meaning you don't break your dependency
chain.  There's no guarantee, however, that the unstable package is the
most recent.  But it will be fairly close. :-)

> Michael Lake wrote:
> > Hi all
> > 
> > I wish to remove libdbi-perl from my Debian system.
> > The two packages: libdbd-csv-perl libdbd-mysql-perl
> > DO depend on libdbi-perl and it's fine for those to be removed BUT
> > I certainly don't want MySQL removed. MYSQL does not depend on any of 
> > these packages.

On my x86 machine running debian unstable, mysql-server *does* depend on
libdbi-perl:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache show mysql-server
Package: mysql-server
Priority: optional
Section: misc
Installed-Size: 8540
Maintainer: Christian Hammers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Architecture: i386
Source: mysql-dfsg
Version: 4.0.17-2
Provides: virtual-mysql-server
Depends: mysql-client (>= 4.0.17-2), debconf (>= 1.2.9), libdbi-perl,
 ^^^
perl (>= 5.6), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.3.2-1),
libmysqlclient12, libssl0.9.7, libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.2-1), libwrap0,
zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), adduser (>= 3.40), psmisc, passwd

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Re: [SLUG] Hyper Terminal Memory Refresh

[John Clarke]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 02:24:41PM +1100, Peter Rundle wrote:

> So I've got Hyperterm on my 'doze PC, when I launch it I can connect it 
> to COM1 at 9600/8/N/ etc and talk to my modem.
> 
> What is the equivelent setup in Linux. I.E What application do I launch 
> to talk to the modem, issue AT commands etc.

minicom.


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[SLUG] Hyper Terminal Memory Refresh

[Peter Rundle]

Sluggers,

Feeling like a newbie, I need a memory refresh.

So I've got Hyperterm on my 'doze PC, when I launch it I can connect it 
to COM1 at 9600/8/N/ etc and talk to my modem.

What is the equivelent setup in Linux. I.E What application do I launch 
to talk to the modem, issue AT commands etc.

Thanks

P.

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Re: [SLUG] How to tell apt-get not to remove some packages when removing others

[Michael Lake]

Hi's

Sorry for this post again. Am hoping that someone might be able to 
answer that Q from yesterday about removing packages.
Reason is that I have downloaded the latest src for libdbd-mysql-perl 
and I wont to remove the apt-get one. I am going to compile from source 
and see if that seg fault that I get on PPC platform is solved by a lter 
version that what is available via debs.

Michael Lake wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I wish to remove libdbi-perl from my Debian system.
> The two packages: libdbd-csv-perl libdbd-mysql-perl
> DO depend on libdbi-perl and it's fine for those to be removed BUT
> I certainly don't want MySQL removed. MYSQL does not depend on any of 
> these packages.
> 
> How do i tell it to not remove them A man apt-get does not have an 
> opption like "keep" or something ??
> 
> mysql-perl$ sudo apt-get --no-act remove libdbi-perl
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>libdbd-csv-perl libdbd-mysql-perl libdbi-perl mysql-client mysql-server
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 5 to remove and 10 not upgraded.
> Remv libdbd-csv-perl (0.2002-1 Debian:testing)
> Remv mysql-server (4.0.16-2 Debian:testing)
> Remv mysql-client (4.0.16-2 Debian:testing)
> Remv libdbd-mysql-perl (2.9003-1 Debian:testing)
> Remv libdbi-perl (1.35-1 Debian:testing)
> mysql-perl$
> 
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Re: [SLUG] Spontaneous reboots

[James Gray]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:40 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi All,
> I have started experiencing a problem last night, where one of my Debian
> Woody machines spontaneously rebooted.
> But the real problem is it kept rebooting on bootup, it would get to
> detecting the hdd's, and I think then try init, but reboot.
> This was on kernel 2.4.20.
> I then booted into the 2.4.18-bf24 kernel, and that worked OK.
> I re-built kernel 2.4.20, installed it, but with no luck, it still kept
> rebooting.
> I then downloaded kernel 2.4.24, and that has the same problems!
>
> Then this morning, the machine, on kernel 2.4.18 rebooted again, however,
> it came back up fine on that kernel.
>
> Would anyone have any thoughts as to
> 1: why it keeps rebooting when booting up in any kernel but bf24
> 2: why it would be spontaneously rebooting, would it most likely be
> hardware? perhaps the power supply?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott

I had a machine (Dell GX-Pro...ie, ancient) that was suffering apparently 
random and spontaneous reboots.  Turned out when I'd moved it onto its side 
(standing on its side like a tower - it's actually a flat desktop case) the 
power connector to the motherboard wasn't plugged in properly and was only 
*just* making contact.

So when the cleaners came bashing around with their vacuum cleaners and 
what-not, the power connector wobbled just enough to interrupt the power 
supply to the mobo - bingo!  Instant reset.  After plugging the power 
connector in properly eventhing was fine :)

Bottom line - it's probably a hardware fault.  Look for:
1. Poor connections - ISA/PCI/AGP slots, power, ribbon cables etc.
2. Cooling problems - CPU heatsink correctly fitted, fans running etc.
3. Dust puppies - these clog cooling fans and heat-sinks (see #2).
4. Component failure - if you have enough spare parts, try swapping out one 
piece of hardware at a time until you track down what's not behaving.

Good luck.

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Re: [SLUG] Simple (I hope) LaTeX question

[Michael Lake]

Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:

> People,
> 
> How do I do something like:
> 
>Your name : __
> 
> in particular, the line for someone to write their name.
> 
> TIA,
> Erik

Enter your name here: This is a rule \rule{2in}{0.1pt}

If you find that the rule is not quite the right height and you want to 
lower it then you can lower the box that the rule is typeset into like this:

Enter your name here: \raisebox{-1mm}{\rule{2in}{0.1pt}}

In the above I used -1mm (i.e. raise the box by negative 1mm) to show 
the effect, normally you might want to just lower it by 2pt or so.

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Re: [SLUG] Simple (I hope) LaTeX question

[Peter Chubb]

> "Erik" == Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Erik> People, How do I do something like:

Erik>Your name : __

\br
Your name: \rule{2cm}{0.1ex} \br
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Re: [SLUG] Mail relay/proxy for Fedora Core 1

[Simon Wong]

On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 09:20, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> One big disadvantage is that a postfix relay *won't* know the valid users on
> your mail server, so will accept and relay everything. That's bad. If you
> can suck out the valid users/domains from your 'real' server, you can use
> them with relay_recipient_maps.

I'll have a look at how I might be able to do this using samba/winbind. 
Otherwise the user list doesn't change that frequently...

> 
> So, setup summary:

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[SLUG] Simple (I hope) LaTeX question

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

People,

How do I do something like:

   Your name : __

in particular, the line for someone to write their name.

TIA,
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Re: [SLUG] Spontaneous reboots

[Phil Scarratt]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi All,
I have started experiencing a problem last night, where one of my Debian 
Woody machines spontaneously rebooted.
But the real problem is it kept rebooting on bootup, it would get to 
detecting the hdd's, and I think then try init, but reboot.
This was on kernel 2.4.20.
I then booted into the 2.4.18-bf24 kernel, and that worked OK.
I re-built kernel 2.4.20, installed it, but with no luck, it still kept 
rebooting.
I then downloaded kernel 2.4.24, and that has the same problems!

Then this morning, the machine, on kernel 2.4.18 rebooted again, however, 
it came back up fine on that kernel.

Would anyone have any thoughts as to 
1: why it keeps rebooting when booting up in any kernel but bf24
2: why it would be spontaneously rebooting, would it most likely be 
hardware? perhaps the power supply?

Thanks,

Scott

My experience has been that spontaneous reboots are usually hardware, in 
most cases memory or mobo. That doesn't however discount power supply, 
or any other bit of hardware in the system really.

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[SLUG] Spontaneous reboots

[scott]

Hi All,
I have started experiencing a problem last night, where one of my Debian 
Woody machines spontaneously rebooted.
But the real problem is it kept rebooting on bootup, it would get to 
detecting the hdd's, and I think then try init, but reboot.
This was on kernel 2.4.20.
I then booted into the 2.4.18-bf24 kernel, and that worked OK.
I re-built kernel 2.4.20, installed it, but with no luck, it still kept 
rebooting.
I then downloaded kernel 2.4.24, and that has the same problems!

Then this morning, the machine, on kernel 2.4.18 rebooted again, however, 
it came back up fine on that kernel.

Would anyone have any thoughts as to 
1: why it keeps rebooting when booting up in any kernel but bf24
2: why it would be spontaneously rebooting, would it most likely be 
hardware? perhaps the power supply?

Thanks,

Scott



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Re: [SLUG] Re: [CTTE] People running for ctte 2004

[Mary Gardiner]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2004, Mary Gardiner wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2004, Mihaly wrote:
> >  in answer to your last: I wasn't actually nominating for a position,
> >  just for the same thing as last year, a general committee member ...
> >  do I have to state a position as such?
> 
> Yes, but "general committee member" *is* a position just like the
> executive positions. I need to know which one you're nominating for so
> that we know which vote to elect you in...

Updated http://www.slug.org.au/2004/election.html

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Re: [SLUG] Re: [CTTE] People running for ctte 2004

[Mary Gardiner]

On Wed, Feb 25, 2004, Mihaly wrote:
>   But as far as I can see, it's alright to noninate oneself, isnt it?

Yes: see http://www.slug.org.au/2004/election.html

>  in answer to your last: I wasn't actually nominating for a position,
>  just for the same thing as last year, a general committee member ...
>  do I have to state a position as such?

Yes, but "general committee member" *is* a position just like the
executive positions. I need to know which one you're nominating for so
that we know which vote to elect you in...

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[SLUG] 2nd Hand Rack Servers (off topic)

[Lyle Chapman]

I know this is off topic but maybe someone could point me in the right 
direction.

Does anybody know of somewhere I can grab some 2nd hand Rack Server 
cases (only the cases) preferably 3 or 4U.

cheers


Lyle Chapman

Pre-Press Supervisor
Torch Publishing Co.
47 Allingham Street, Condell Park 2200, NSW, Australia
612 9795 
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[SLUG] Re: [CTTE] People running for ctte 2004

[Mihaly]

> 
> I suppose that should teach me to never ever say something on the
> committee list that I wouldn't want quoted verbatim on a public archived
> mailing list with no context.
> 

 Ummm, oops, I suppose  my bad. Think I assumed that this message had
been cc'd to/from [EMAIL PROTECTED]  In either case, nothing untoward had been intended
had it -  I mean, yes I now understand that perhaps it could read as if you
meant one thing, but I hadn't read it that way, at least not when I posted.

> HOWEVER, I would also like to encourage people to go for positions that
> an existing committee member is nominating for. They don't have some
> kind of divine annointment to the position, after all. Far from it.
> Fresh blood is tasty blood... :)
>
 
 "the pointy birds are pointy pointy
 anoint my head anointy nointy "

 (sorry, it just popped in there  :)

  But as far as I can see, it's alright to noninate oneself, isnt it? I
stepped up last year, although I suppose I was being nominated by Geoffrey?
Or was that seconded? Anyway, I'm not neccesarily assuming that I will be on
the committee again, just was stating that I'd nominate, and doing so in the
slug-list seemed the appropriate place.

 in answer to your last: I wasn't actually nominating for a position, just
for the same thing as last year, a general committee member ...  do I have
to state a position as such? Speaking frankly I do not wish to take on the
responsibility of Treasurer, at least not at this time. Presumably with your
absence, we'll need someone to be Secretary. At this time, I'm not confident
I have enough organising skills to take on that role, although I can do
minutes and stuff; I'd rather have someone who's better acquainted with the
duties and role, and I still feel a bit of an outsider to nominate for
anything more significant than general committee.

 Of course I'd welcome any advice you may have; will you still be coming
along to regular meetings? Should I be called upon to do so, I could only
hope to act as competently as you have done so to this point; I strongly
suspect that your efforts will be more appreciated in your absence! :)
 
 Indeed, in my ignorance, I should still say thank you for your work this
previous year!

 
> In summary, run for committee everyone. C'mon, you know you want to.
> 
> Anyway, I apologise for any uninviting tones that the above may have --
> I didn't intend it to be distributed to everyone, I intended it as an
> abbreviated message to ctte to get the nominations rolling.
> 

 Hopefully this has done just that... so all's well in the end.. :}
 see everyone Friday?


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Re: [SLUG] Re: [CTTE] People running for ctte 2004

[Mary Gardiner]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2004, Mihaly wrote:
>  I intend to nominate to be on the committee again this year.

Which position(s) are you nominating for?

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[SLUG] Re: [CTTE] People running for ctte 2004

[Mary Gardiner]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2004, Mihaly wrote:
> [quoting me]
> > Hey folks,
> > 
> > If you want to be on committee next year, can you nominate yourself
> > ASAP? Historically, it's a pain to get people to nominate when they
> > don't know if the current committee is running again.
> > 
> > -Mary

Well,

I suppose that should teach me to never ever say something on the
committee list that I wouldn't want quoted verbatim on a public archived
mailing list with no context.

I'll give this a little more context: traditionally, people haven't
wanted to run against existing committee members -- so one good way to
get new people on committee is for the existing committee to show their
hand early (as it were), so that others know that there will be
vacancies this year. (And there will be, I'm not nominating for a 2004
position, for example.)

HOWEVER, I would also like to encourage people to go for positions that
an existing committee member is nominating for. They don't have some
kind of divine annointment to the position, after all. Far from it.
Fresh blood is tasty blood... :) 

In summary, run for committee everyone. C'mon, you know you want to.

Anyway, I apologise for any uninviting tones that the above may have --
I didn't intend it to be distributed to everyone, I intended it as an
abbreviated message to ctte to get the nominations rolling.

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Peter Hardy]

Jan Schmidt wrote:


On Tue, Feb 24, 2004, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:

This one time, at band camp, Robert Collins wrote:

It's simpler than that I think... I hit reply-to-all as reflex - there's
no reply to list icon in evolution. ;)
though there is a reply to list menu action... i'd file a bug.
Fixed in 1.5, according to Jan. It's the
dammit-they-fixed-it-in-unstable bind.


Here's my patch for /usr/share/evolution/1.4/ui/evolution-mail-message.xml to 
add reply-to-list as a keybinding to evo 1.4.  

ctrl-l is the new keybinding (already in 1.5)
Last time I saw this, I forgot to ask if they also made it a button in 
the toolbar.

So, Jan, is it also a button in the toolbar?

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[SLUG] Re: [CTTE] People running for ctte 2004

[Mihaly]

> From: Mary Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:54:39 +1100
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [CTTE] People running for ctte 2004
> 
> Hey folks,
> 
> If you want to be on committee next year, can you nominate yourself
> ASAP? Historically, it's a pain to get people to nominate when they
> don't know if the current committee is running again.
> 
> -Mary

 I intend to nominate to be on the committee again this year. My reasons for
originally nominating last year are, I believe still relevant, perhaps more
significant in regard to the focus on activities this year.

  I am attending the Granville LPI 201 certification studies, and feel that
the bridge between those classes and the linux user group is an important
connection, particularly with regard to the development of an enterprise
level qualification for prospective employers.

 I am sure that with the recent media interest in ComputerBank, there will
be many new linux users in the general community.

 Although the activity in the Sydney computerbank group was sporadic last
year, this year we have engaged (with SLUG's help) in a series of
"installfests" which allow interested persons to become acquainted with and
to install linux on their computers, and hopefully provide a link between
the user group and the wider world of Open Source. We thus are meeting the
primary commitment of the ComputerBank organisation: we are "Bridging the
Digital Divide". 

 In particular this coming year, I will endeavour to be more actively
involved in slug activities and to be supportive of linux in the community.
 In this way I hope to bring perspective and enthusiasm to the committee.

  thank you, best wishes to all the nominees.

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re: [SLUG] Someone is trying to bounce off my apache to spam

[Nicholas Tomlin]

Scott,

You are such a kill joy... wrong and wright art relative things.

Nicholas Tomlin


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Re: [SLUG] ATO goes OSS

[Simon Males]

James Gray wrote:
Hi All,

Noticed over on the venerable /. a report about the ATO going open 
source AND that SLUG was partly responsible :)  Here's  the /. article;
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/24/0241225&mode=thread

Notice the URL to the second pressure group at the end?  Well done SLUG!

I wonder if this means we can expect a Linux port for their Java-based 
"ECI Client"...nah!  They are still the government!! ;)

ECI Client is the most annoying thing ever... I have a 
campaign[/project] idea of getting the ATO's attention about creating a 
Linux ECI Client (i guess e-tax as well, although I have had no personal 
experience with it).

I picked up some information via a LinMagAU forum thread [1] stating 
that Mulli Management Pty Ltd [2] had started a campaign for the ATO to 
conform to its claims of creating a unix supported ECI Client.

My idea is not so 'legally' technically specific. I propose a simply 
project of creating a standard letter (hard copy) for linux users to 
print out sign and attach an ABN and send to the ATO, such in that the 
ATO can feel the demand for a linux client. I guess it would be of bonus 
points if we could get accountants to sign as well. Possibly more 
generic specifying a UNIX based client.

[1] 
http://www.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=22

[2] http://www.muli.com.au/ato/atoindex.html

Kudos to all involved.

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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Jan Schmidt]

> On Tue, Feb 24, 2004, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
> > This one time, at band camp, Robert Collins wrote:
> > > It's simpler than that I think... I hit reply-to-all as reflex - there's
> > > no reply to list icon in evolution. ;)
> > 
> > though there is a reply to list menu action... i'd file a bug.
> 
> Fixed in 1.5, according to Jan. It's the
> dammit-they-fixed-it-in-unstable bind.

Here's my patch for /usr/share/evolution/1.4/ui/evolution-mail-message.xml to 
add reply-to-list as a keybinding to evo 1.4.  

ctrl-l is the new keybinding (already in 1.5)

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Re: [SLUG] ATO goes OSS

[Chris Deigan]

It is said that James Gray wrote:
>Noticed over on the venerable /. a report about the ATO going open 
>source AND that SLUG was partly responsible :)  Here's  the /. article;
>http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/24/0241225&mode=thread
>
>Notice the URL to the second pressure group at the end?  Well done SLUG!
>
>I wonder if this means we can expect a Linux port for their Java-based 
>"ECI Client"...nah!  They are still the government!! ;)
>
>Kudos to all involved.

To tell you the truth, I can't really say SLUG actually did anything there.

 - Chris
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[SLUG] ATO goes OSS

[James Gray]

Hi All,

Noticed over on the venerable /. a report about the ATO going open 
source AND that SLUG was partly responsible :)  Here's  the /. article;
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/24/0241225&mode=thread

Notice the URL to the second pressure group at the end?  Well done SLUG!

I wonder if this means we can expect a Linux port for their Java-based 
"ECI Client"...nah!  They are still the government!! ;)

Kudos to all involved.

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Re: [SLUG] Changed Motherboard

[Robert Collins]

On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 19:41, Simon Bryan wrote:

> They are built into the motherboard. Possibly what config file would hold
> this info?

check modules.conf for aliases to eth0 and eth1. RH does some (IMO)
weird crack.

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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
>Googling for "rfc mail-followup-to" seems to have a few useful links
>about it, and it seems there's a group strongly opposing its use too
>(that is, until something like usenet's Followup-To from RFC 1036).

There's this nifty page at
http://pm-doc.sourceforge.net/pm-tips-body.html
that has a few links to papers about the more offensive mail headers and
what they really mean.  there's also a pile of cool procmail stuff in
there...

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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Mary Gardiner]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2004, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, Robert Collins wrote:
> > It's simpler than that I think... I hit reply-to-all as reflex - there's
> > no reply to list icon in evolution. ;)
> 
> though there is a reply to list menu action... i'd file a bug.

Fixed in 1.5, according to Jan. It's the
dammit-they-fixed-it-in-unstable bind.

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Re: [SLUG] Changed Motherboard

[Alexander Samad]

try a lspci to see what sort of nic's they are.  Do they corrospond to
the modules you are loading ?

Alex


On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 07:41:56PM +1100, Simon Bryan wrote:
> 
> Mike MacCana said:
> > On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Simon Bryan wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >> I had RH9 setup on a MicroPro rack mounitng server. However one of the
> >> NIC's failed and they have replaced the motherboard. However when I boot
> >> up now eth0 and eth1 both fail with messages that they 'don't appear to
> >> be
> >> present, delaying initilization' and the EEPROM checksum is invalid (I
> >> think the latter is related to enabling the boot roms in CMOS). They
> >> assure me that is exactly the same Motherboard and versions etc. The
> >> NIC's
> >> are 100/1GB.
> >>
> >> How do I go about getting RH to re-install the NIC's?
> >
> > Are the networks cards inbuilt or installed in a slot? Their configuration
> > may have been bound to their MAC address.
> 
> They are built into the motherboard. Possibly what config file would hold
> this info?
> 
> > Has kudzu been run since the motherboard was reinstalled?
> 
> Forgot to mention, when first boted Kudzu said a card had been removed, I
> said OK, it then said it found some cards, I said OK, it then offered to
> copy over the network configuration, I agreed with that as well.
> 
> Rebooting since (checking CMOS settings) kudzu runs during bootup but
> doesn't find anything, if I run it after bootup it also doesn't find
> anything.
> 
> 
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Re: [SLUG] Changed Motherboard

[Simon Bryan]

Mike MacCana said:
> On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Simon Bryan wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I had RH9 setup on a MicroPro rack mounitng server. However one of the
>> NIC's failed and they have replaced the motherboard. However when I boot
>> up now eth0 and eth1 both fail with messages that they 'don't appear to
>> be
>> present, delaying initilization' and the EEPROM checksum is invalid (I
>> think the latter is related to enabling the boot roms in CMOS). They
>> assure me that is exactly the same Motherboard and versions etc. The
>> NIC's
>> are 100/1GB.
>>
>> How do I go about getting RH to re-install the NIC's?
>
> Are the networks cards inbuilt or installed in a slot? Their configuration
> may have been bound to their MAC address.

They are built into the motherboard. Possibly what config file would hold
this info?

> Has kudzu been run since the motherboard was reinstalled?

Forgot to mention, when first boted Kudzu said a card had been removed, I
said OK, it then said it found some cards, I said OK, it then offered to
copy over the network configuration, I agreed with that as well.

Rebooting since (checking CMOS settings) kudzu runs during bootup but
doesn't find anything, if I run it after bootup it also doesn't find
anything.


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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, Robert Collins wrote:
>It's simpler than that I think... I hit reply-to-all as reflex - there's
>no reply to list icon in evolution. ;)

though there is a reply to list menu action... i'd file a bug.

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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, Benno wrote:
>On Tue Feb 24, 2004 at 19:21:53 +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
>>This one time, at band camp, Robert Collins wrote:
>>>On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 19:10, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
>>>
>>>
 P.S.  your (and Micksa's) email clients are broken.
>>>
>>>Oh? In what way?
>>
>>(You're doing it again! :-)
>>
>>Your replies are going to the list and to me, which suggests that your
>>mail client doesn't acknowledge the Mail-Followup-To header.
>
>Which RFC is that in? Or is it just a DJBism?

It's not in an RFC, afaik.  I didn't know it was a djbism, that sucks
:-)  (but then you use Maildir).

Googling for "rfc mail-followup-to" seems to have a few useful links
about it, and it seems there's a group strongly opposing its use too
(that is, until something like usenet's Followup-To from RFC 1036).

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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, Robert Collins wrote:
>On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 19:21, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
>> This one time, at band camp, Robert Collins wrote:
>> >On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 19:10, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> P.S.  your (and Micksa's) email clients are broken.
>> >
>> >Oh? In what way?
>> 
>> (You're doing it again! :-)
>> 
>> Your replies are going to the list and to me, which suggests that your
>> mail client doesn't acknowledge the Mail-Followup-To header.
>
>It's simpler than that I think... I hit reply-to-all as reflex - there's
>no reply to list icon in evolution. ;)

Oh :(  that sucks.

>Is that header added by the listserver, or your MUA? (And if the
>listserve, how does it discrimination between subscribers and non
>subscribers ?)

It's set in my MUA.

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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Mary Gardiner]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2004, Robert Collins wrote:
> It's simpler than that I think... I hit reply-to-all as reflex - there's
> no reply to list icon in evolution. ;)

Reply-to-all would reply to the Mail-Followup-To header only ...
assuming that the client respected Mail-Followup-To.

What mail clients *do* respect Mail-Followup-To, aside from mutt? It's
always seemed to me to be a way to coerce the replies of my fellow mutt
users, rather than anyone else.

> Is that header added by the listserver, or your MUA? (And if the
> listserve, how does it discrimination between subscribers and non
> subscribers ?)

It's added by the MUA.

-Mary
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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Michael (Micksa) Slade]

Jamie Wilkinson wrote:

This one time, at band camp, Robert Collins wrote:
 

On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 19:10, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:

   

P.S.  your (and Micksa's) email clients are broken.
 

Oh? In what way?
   

(You're doing it again! :-)

Your replies are going to the list and to me, which suggests that your
mail client doesn't acknowledge the Mail-Followup-To header.
 

That wasn't my mail client, it was me clicking "reply to all".

Sorry.

Mick.

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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Robert Collins]

On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 19:21, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, Robert Collins wrote:
> >On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 19:10, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
> >
> >
> >> P.S.  your (and Micksa's) email clients are broken.
> >
> >Oh? In what way?
> 
> (You're doing it again! :-)
> 
> Your replies are going to the list and to me, which suggests that your
> mail client doesn't acknowledge the Mail-Followup-To header.

It's simpler than that I think... I hit reply-to-all as reflex - there's
no reply to list icon in evolution. ;)

Is that header added by the listserver, or your MUA? (And if the
listserve, how does it discrimination between subscribers and non
subscribers ?)

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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Benno]

On Tue Feb 24, 2004 at 19:21:53 +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
>This one time, at band camp, Robert Collins wrote:
>>On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 19:10, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> P.S.  your (and Micksa's) email clients are broken.
>>
>>Oh? In what way?
>
>(You're doing it again! :-)
>
>Your replies are going to the list and to me, which suggests that your
>mail client doesn't acknowledge the Mail-Followup-To header.

Which RFC is that in? Or is it just a DJBism?

(http://cr.yp.to/proto/replyto.html)

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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, Robert Collins wrote:
>On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 19:10, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
>
>
>> P.S.  your (and Micksa's) email clients are broken.
>
>Oh? In what way?

(You're doing it again! :-)

Your replies are going to the list and to me, which suggests that your
mail client doesn't acknowledge the Mail-Followup-To header.

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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Robert Collins]

On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 19:10, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:


> P.S.  your (and Micksa's) email clients are broken.

Oh? In what way?

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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, Robert Collins wrote:
>On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 14:06, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
>> A few weeks ago, Benno asked me if I had a way to use cvs annotate to
>> work out percentages of code written, and after a short bit of hacking,
>> there was this:
>> 
>> a=; t=0; cvs ann 2>/dev/null | cut -c15-21 | sort | uniq -c | while read i; do 
>> u=`echo $i | cut -f2 -d' '`; s=`echo $i | cut -f1 -d' '`; t=$((${t-0} + $s)); echo 
>> $t $u $s ; done | sort -rn | while read i ; do if [ "x$a" = "x" ]; then a=`echo $i 
>> | cut -f1 -d' '`; fi ; u=`echo $i | cut -f2 -d' '`; s=`echo $i | cut -f3 -d' '`; 
>> s=$(($s * 100)); echo $u $(($s / $a)); done
>> 
>> but I was looking at the subversion repo at work today, and wondered
>> the same thing... so with a bit of mangling here it is:
>> 
>> a=; t=0; find . -type f ! -regex '.*\.svn.*' -exec svn ann {} \; 2>/dev/null | awk 
>> '{print $2}' | sort | uniq -c | while read i; do u=`echo $i | cut -f2 -d' '`; 
>> s=`echo $i | cut -f1 -d' '`; t=$((${t-0} + $s)); echo $t $u $s ; done | sort -rn | 
>> while read i ; do if [ "x$a" = "x" ]; then a=`echo $i | cut -f1 -d' '`; fi ; 
>> u=`echo $i | cut -f2 -d' '`; s=`echo $i | cut -f3 -d' '`; s=$(($s * 100)); echo $u 
>> $(($s / $a)); done
>> 
>> Fun, eh? :-)
>
>Pity it's completely wrong.
>
>How? Thats an exercise for the reader. Hint: your script does what you
>intended it to do, but the oresult is /not/ LOC per person.

check the manpage for the above command, you'll find that it never
claims to output LOC per person.  therefore it's completely right.  QED.

P.S.  your (and Micksa's) email clients are broken.

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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Jeff Waugh]

> >http://statcvs.sf.net/
> 
> unless this project contains a php jukebox and photo gallery, it's just
> wasting space; i have already proved that it is trivially implemented on
> the command line.

It's on sourceforget, so obviously it's a *framework* for building CVS
statistics.

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] who wrote the most code?

[Robert Collins]

On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 14:59, Andrew Bennetts wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 02:06:46PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
> > A few weeks ago, Benno asked me if I had a way to use cvs annotate to
> > work out percentages of code written, and after a short bit of hacking,
> > there was this:
> 
> http://statcvs.sf.net/

Cute. And looking at the sample reports, there is some chance it does
the right thing.

Rob
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