[SLUG] udev - don't install it without understanding...
I just recovered my system from installing udev. It booted ran udev and died. I had to boot in 2.2 then remove udev to recover. There is something about re-enabling a block device that I must do but I cannot find it again. Maybe later. Still trying to get my USB to work again under 2.6.9 -- Ken Foskey PS: Yes I compile my kernel myself, leave me alone Jeff :-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] udev - don't install it without understanding...
Hi Ken On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Ken Foskey wrote: I just recovered my system from installing udev. It booted ran udev and died. I had to boot in 2.2 then remove udev to recover. How did it die, I use the snap shot BK tree and leave the udev root in /etc/udev/udev.conf pointing to /udev. This means I have two device fs, /dev and /udev. This way any app that relies on /dev can have it, they will wake up to themselves soon I hope;) and I can have hotplug stuff map consistently to the same device in /udev. If you use a packaged system like debian it does some trickery with mount, what is does is make a backup of devfs's /dev in /.dev, then mounts the new udev file system on /dev, when you do a /etc/init.d/udev start it makes the backup then mounts udev on /dev and creates a subset of the devfs devices, the rest is left up to hotplug. The reverse is performed when you stop udev. So not that tricky ;) So you may have a /.dev hanging around that can be used to restore the old devfs. There is something about re-enabling a block device that I must do but I cannot find it again. Maybe later. ??? Still trying to get my USB to work again under 2.6.9 Are you using libusb -- Ken Foskey PS: Yes I compile my kernel myself, leave me alone Jeff :-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Darren Williams dsw AT gelato.unsw.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gelato.unsw.edu.au -- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] udev - don't install it without understanding...
Darren Williams wrote: If you use a packaged system like debian it does some trickery with mount, what is does is make a backup of devfs's /dev in /.dev, then mounts the new udev file system on /dev, when you do a /etc/init.d/udev start it makes the backup then mounts udev on /dev and creates a subset of the devfs devices, the rest is left up to hotplug. The reverse is performed when you stop udev. So not that tricky ;) So you may have a /.dev hanging around that can be used to restore the old devfs. Are you sure /.dev is just a backup? If so can it be removed? I once removed /.dev (on Debian testting, or maybe it was unstable back than) and things didn't boot until I restored it. Just curios to understand what's going on with udev and hotplug. --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] udev - don't install it without understanding...
Hi amos On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darren Williams wrote: If you use a packaged system like debian it does some trickery with mount, what is does is make a backup of devfs's /dev in /.dev, then mounts the new udev file system on /dev, when you do a /etc/init.d/udev start it makes the backup then mounts udev on /dev and creates a subset of the devfs devices, the rest is left up to hotplug. The reverse is performed when you stop udev. So not that tricky ;) So you may have a /.dev hanging around that can be used to restore the old devfs. Are you sure /.dev is just a backup? If so can it be removed? I once removed /.dev (on Debian testting, or maybe it was unstable back than) and things didn't boot until I restored it. From what I can tell, nothing should even look at /.dev so removing it OK, this is backed up by /usr/init.d/udev. The only thing that looks at it is /sbin/MAKEDEV and that is conditional. When I have some time I will test removing /.dev and see what happens. Just curios to understand what's going on with udev and hotplug. OK reading again its a bind mount, what happens is that before udev is setup a bind mount of the original /dev is bound to /.dev. When the new tmpfs udev device tree is created on /dev, /.dev still contains the contents of the original devfs tree. Another thing to consider is that debian just mounts tmpfs over the top of the original devfs so when you un-mount the udev tmpfs the original devfs will still be there. Becareful, however if you do a mount --bind /myold-devfs /mynew-devfs umount /myold-devfs /mynew-devfs will be unmounted first. --Amos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html -- Darren Williams dsw AT gelato.unsw.edu.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.gelato.unsw.edu.au -- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] /etc/module question
Hi All How is /etc/modules made? scenario: I replaced a dying NIC (ancient DEC454) with a new RealTek 8139. The module for supporting a RealTek NIC didn't load at boot time (8139too) and so eth0 and networking failed. However lspci finds the NIC and the module is compiled and present in /lib/modules/2.6.6/kernel/drivers/net So far, I have found that /etc/modules provides a list of modules that the kernel loads at boot, and this module is missing. So I added it and now eth0 and networking comes up. How is this list made? depmod -a? or modutils? Can someone explain this? I thought it was generated automagically. This box runs Debian with a 2.6.6 kernel regards Russell -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] /etc/module question
quote who=Russell Davie How is /etc/modules made? How is this list made? depmod -a? or modutils? Can someone explain this? I thought it was generated automagically. It's there for you to edit as you wish, to load modules at startup. There is a tool in Debian called 'modconf', which will add stuff to /etc/modules when you load modules with it. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2005: Canberra, Australiahttp://linux.conf.au/ If I can't be near you I would rather be adrift in space. - Neil Finn, Try Whistling This -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Remider - Code Fest!
(It's tomorrow - see you there!) When: Saturday, November 27, 10:00am - 10:00pm Where: CSE/UNSW Kensington, Seminar Room Map / Transport: http://slug.org.au/events/cse.html We're holding a Debian RC Bug Squish and general Code Fest. The idea of of the day is to have a social, coding day, learn a few things, close some Debian RC Bugs or just hack the day away on what ever takes your fancy. For those with a punting itch or a taste for bloodsports, we'll be running a book on whether this boast http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2004/11/msg00231.html will be fulfilled. Get in early for ring side seats. There'll be a 22:00 til late kick-on at a nearby house with plenty of room and net access for those with a need for it. Food and drink will be organised throughout the day and dinner be held afterwards at a venue decided on by the participants. There's also ample on-site parking. See you there! -- Harp not on that string. -- William Shakespeare, Henry VI -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] calendar app -- terminal
lynx www.egroupware.org ? ie, check if the web versions of the various cal apps work in lynx...? Stu On Thu, 2004-11-25 at 14:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm looking for a calendar app that runs in an xterm window, I am aware of ical, are there any others that I should be aware of? tia, Luke -- / / _ /_ /_/ / /= 0421 276 282 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] maybe good
Good Morning, I subscribe to the Fairfax mailing list. For some reason their online service appears broken so I don't know if the below are good or bad however maybe worth looking at? Patently yours The US-Australia free trade agreement, which comes into effect in2005, will hit Australia hardest in the area of intellectualproperty rights, according to three academics who have authored abook detailing the specifics of the agreement. http://newsletters.fairfax.com.au/cgi-bin16/DM/y/ehjY0LoV8e0JhK0BbA70Eb TV series dedicated to open source http://newsletters.fairfax.com.au/cgi-bin16/DM/y/ehjY0LoV8e0JhK0BbBC0Eo Regards, Ashley -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] maybe good
On Fri Nov 26, 2004 at 10:02:07 +1100, Ashley Maher wrote: TV series dedicated to open source http://newsletters.fairfax.com.au/cgi-bin16/DM/y/ehjY0LoV8e0JhK0BbBC0Eo So Mark Shuttleworth is the same guy funding Ubuntu right? He is certainly puring a lot of money into this! Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] /etc/module question
Russell Davie wrote: Hi All How is /etc/modules made? When you run, 'depmod -a' the lot is recreated. When you run, 'depmod -aA' it is recreated when there is a change in timestamp. Kinda like the behaviour of 'Makefile' when doing a command 'make'. scenario: I replaced a dying NIC (ancient DEC454) with a new RealTek 8139. The module for supporting a RealTek NIC didn't load at boot time (8139too) and so eth0 and networking failed. However lspci finds the NIC and the module is compiled and present in /lib/modules/2.6.6/kernel/drivers/net So far, I have found that /etc/modules provides a list of modules that the kernel loads at boot, and this module is missing. So I added it and now eth0 and networking comes up. In this scenario, I'd do the following: First run, depmod -a Then, run 'lsmod | grep 8139' to confirm if 8139too has been loaded. If it is not, I'd do this, 'modprobe 8139too' and then do an 'lsmod | grep 8139'. If it is not loaded still, I'd do an 'dmesg' and examine the output to investigate the reason if there is, why the driver is not being loaded. Also, examine your /var/log/messages. Then proceed from from there. How is this list made? depmod -a? or modutils? Can someone explain this? Since, kernel 2.5.x, 'depmod -a' will recreate /etc/modules as explained previously. I thought it was generated automagically. This box runs Debian with a 2.6.6 kernel If you installed your distribution or re-compiled your kernel, 'depmod -a' is done as part of the process. Since you changed your NIC, you have to run, 'depmod -a' or 'depmod -aA'. regards Russell -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] /etc/module question
quote who=O Plameras How is /etc/modules made? When you run, 'depmod -a' the lot is recreated. depmod creates modules.dep, which is stored under /lib/modules/kernelver. It's unrelated to /etc/modules. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2005: Canberra, Australiahttp://linux.conf.au/ Well, you know us usability folks... We like to believe that the two aren't mutually exclusive. - Calum Benson on power and cleanliness -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] ADSL/DNS/IPTables issue
Happy Friday Afternoon one and all, I've got a annoyance of a problem which, I thought, was limited to my home ADSL connection, but I was wrong. I upgraded my firewall at home to Debian Sarge (running 2.6 kernel) and quickly found some problems which didn't used to exist. I thought it was MSS clamping (which I had missed), but enabling that didn't fix everything. The issue is that when a desktop requests a DNS lookup, it times out before it comes back (5 seconds approx). You can immediately request the address again and everything works fine - a simple but annoying work around. I thought it was some weird setup thing with my ADSL (iiNet). I switched from PPPoE on the firewall to running that on the ADSL modem - still no good. I looked into MTU's, but nothing worked (went down to 1452). The firewall config is the same on the old and the new setups, port 53 tcp/udp is allowed through. I'm running bind9 on the firewall and the iptables is run through shorewall. Head scratching and googling hasn't yielded much more info and now I've replicated the problem on a brand new, but completely separate, machine (same packages but on Telstra ADSL). Concussion from a cluestick to the head is more than welcome. Greeno -- Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] Ubuntu - Wollongong
Hi All, If anyone in the 'Gong is after the latest Ubuntu CD (Hoary, Ubuntu 5.04) for i386, I've just finished D/L'ing the ISO and burned a copy or 3 for some friends. Contact me off-list if you want to swing past my place with a blank CDR and sample some home-brew. Cheers, James -- Ed Sullivan will be around as long as someone else has talent. -- Fred Allen pgpmLUbTuPeNH.pgp Description: PGP signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu - Wollongong
quote who=James Gray If anyone in the 'Gong is after the latest Ubuntu CD (Hoary, Ubuntu 5.04) for i386, I've just finished D/L'ing the ISO and burned a copy or 3 for some friends. Contact me off-list if you want to swing past my place with a blank CDR and sample some home-brew. Note that the Hoary CD is the first release of the development series, and won't work very well. If you're passing around CDs, I'd strongly recommend passing around CDs of the latest released version, 4.10 (Warty). - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2005: Canberra, Australiahttp://linux.conf.au/ Linux continues to have almost as much soul as James Brown. - Forrest Cook, LWN -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu - Wollongong
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 06:00 pm, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=James Gray If anyone in the 'Gong is after the latest Ubuntu CD (Hoary, Ubuntu 5.04) for i386, I've just finished D/L'ing the ISO and burned a copy or 3 for some friends. Contact me off-list if you want to swing past my place with a blank CDR and sample some home-brew. Note that the Hoary CD is the first release of the development series, and won't work very well. If you're passing around CDs, I'd strongly recommend passing around CDs of the latest released version, 4.10 (Warty). - Jeff Thanks Jeff. The friends were actually after the development version, I'm also downloading the last couple of megs of Warty right now and the same offer stands for any sluggers in Wollongong. I now have versions 4.10 (Warty) and 5.04 (Hoary) available if anyone's interested. Cheers, James -- Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid back. pgpaBHhOP7dl7.pgp Description: PGP signature -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
